CVC investigate 2006 F1 takeover after ‘bribe’ claim

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Links

Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

F1 Owners Probe 2006 Takeover Deal, Receive Bid Approaches (Sky News)

“CVC Capital Partners (the private equity firm which owns F1) and the board of Delta Topco (F1’s holding company) have jointly appointed Ernst & Young, the accounting firm, and Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, the law firm, to investigate the circumstances surrounding CVC’s takeover of F1 in 2006.”

Mark Webber on Twitter

“Yes I visited Robert yesterday and had a great chat about loads of stuff,he is receiving great care too.”

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Blade Roll Structures – Legality (Lotus & Force India) (ScarbsF1)

“When the new rules for 2011 were introduced, I immediately thought the regulation 15.2.4 intended to ban these structures, but the wording does not go as far as that. What the rule requires is that there is a minimum cross section for the structure. It transpires that the rules intent was not to outright ban these blades, but to ensure they had a reasonable cross section, to allay fears of a ‘digging in’ problem.”

Kubica reveals identity of his preferred replacement (Crash)

“Although former BMW-Sauber team-mate Nick Heidfeld seen as the hot favourite to occupy the cockpit – particularly in the light of the experienced German’s outstanding testing debut for the team at Jerez on Saturday – our source claims that Kubica has said he would prefer to be replaced by Force India F1 refugee Vitantonio Liuzzi, whom he considers to be a better racer out of the pair.”

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Comment of the day

A lot of people appreciated Hamish’s pithy view on overtaking in F1:

Overtaking should be an art. Not a science, nor a charity.
Hamish

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88 comments on “CVC investigate 2006 F1 takeover after ‘bribe’ claim”

  1. Overtaking should be an art. Not a science, nor a charity.
    Hamish

    Precisely.

    Also, I wonder in the grand scheme of things is gonna change when CVC get the results of their investigation back. They arent gonna rid themselves of F1, and they sure as hell wont get rid of Bernie.

    1. Art vs. Science (great aussie band by the way) The reason I love and follow F1 is the science, the logistics, and finally the talent…of the whole team. From the techs to the catering staff. Driver vs. tech which do we love more? Look at luizzi, webber, even alonso given the right tools they are masters, amazing sport pinnacle of everything; tech, athletes, team work. I am a addict!! Bring on the new season!!

    2. I agree, that is a great COTD Hamish!

      As for CVC, I would suspect that the ongoing allegations force them to look into any possibilities. Maybe not for finding anything, but rather proving to their owners and stakeholders there was no wrongdoing.

      Those reports are pretty confusing and going form Bernie paying, to the bank paying the banker. Interesting fact is, that the banker has been arrested, but no actions were taken (as yet) against the party paying.

    3. The corollary of all this is of course that overtaking must be possible. It’s all well and good saying that they shouldn’t just be able to breeze by, but we needed a stop-gap between now and the reduced-aero rules of 2013.

      The more I find about about the DRS the more my fears about it cheapening overtaking are allayed. Just like Hare presented a pact about referring to the Ferrari as the F150, I would hate it after every race people moaned that their driver lost out to a gimmick, because overtaking between cars on similar pace will still be an art.

  2. So, Joe Saward pretending to Robert eh?

    1. well maybe this and alonso’s comments earlier may demonstrate that joe is not he only one that thinks highly of Liuzzi…but of course we fans sitting miles away know better; we always do.

      1. Actually, the way I see it, what Kubica, Alonso and Saward have in common is that they are friendly with Liuzzi. It’s nice to see people putting a good word in for their mates I suppose, but it doesn’t mean much at all

        1. Apparently, Kubica admitted being friends with both Liuzzi and Heidfeld.

          1. Hmmm… then maybe it’s a question of who he likes more! I must admit I never realised he was that friendly with Heidfeld, especially after Germany ’07…

          2. I also got the impression these two were not that good friends, profesionals certainly, respecting each other probably, but friends?

            I do think it possible Kubica knows Liuzzi good enough to know he will want to prove something and give his all (beating Mallya will be good motivation, won’t it?), while Nick needs a fast teammate to push im into performing better, not something Renault will be able to do.

          3. That’s an interesting take on it BasCB, and I think you could be right. I haven’t been a fan of Liuzzi, and really wanted to see Di Resta get a chance to race, but it would be great to see Liuzzi at Renault beating both Force India drivers. I always like an underdog.

          4. You say that like it’s a bad thing.

          5. Well, he chose Liuzzi because he knows Nick has had time to demonstrate his capabilities.

      2. LOL

        Of course we fans wouldn’t know any better, we only follow every practice session, qualifying session, and race, almost down to the sector times.
        Professionals like Joe have been able to sit and talk with drivers like Liuzzi, maybe even shared lunch or diner, perhaps formed a friendship, maybe he’s even been able to speak to friends of Liuzzi’s in the paddock. He wouldn’t have any reason other than the hard facts and sector times to be praising Vitantonio (sarcasm intended)

        1. Exactly. Sometimes being far away helps you think more straight.

        2. Yes, real fans do follow the sport very closely. But so do the journalists,if not more. Afterall for them it’s not only passion it’s also their job. In addition, journalists have access to lots of inside information that armchair experts like you and me don’t have. So I advise you to at least consider the possibility that Saward’s right and you’re wrong ;)

          1. I think I’d put more weight behind Joe’s opinion of Liuzzi if more of the experienced F1 journo’s were saying the same thing. But they’re not – at least not that I’ve seen. Most seem to agree that Liuzzi has had 2 chances to prove what he can do and just hasn’t shined enough to get the attention certain others think he deserves.

      3. Henry, you don’t have to take the opinion of the collectted F1 fanatics, but why not listen to people like Franz Tost and Vijay Mallya? They had Liuzzi under employ and they got rid of him as fast as they could.

        If his own bosses don’t even think highly of Liuzzi, why should we take the words of a mere journalist as gospel? Especially since he professed himself to be a friend of Liuzzi.

        Why not ask Liuzzi’s mom who’s the best F1 driver? She should know best.

    2. Allegations of Bias?! Never!

      Luizzi is supposed to be an amazing racer, amazing go-karter, with skill and craft, and some how just hasn’t fired in F1 so far?

      Kubica is such a racer himself, so it makes sense he suggests a guy after his own heart.

      However, F1 aint gokarts and chances aren’t a dime a dozen, so if you can’t glorify yourself early on, you tend to wallow in the backs of people imaginations. Luizzis fault really. Such is life.

      1. Agreed.

        The only teammate he’s really pipped is Scott Speed. And that’s hardly much of an achievement.

        Part of what makes a driver good is being able to make hay when the sun shines. He very much hasn’t. And as much as I’m sure Kubica gets on with Liuzzi, I wonder on what basis he says Liuzzi is a better race, they’ve never been in remotely similar machinery. And by that tack, it would mean Liuzzi should be as good as Kubica, because Heidfeld isn’t too far off as the BMW years demonstrated.

        1. Agreed. Luizzi never stood out, no matter how impressive his pre F1 resume was. Nick on the other hand was real competition for Kubica.

          I cant help but think that Kubica doesn’t want Heidfeld at Renault because of their differences in driving style and car development. BMW Sauber always had issues pleasing both drivers with development of the car, and if Renault are competitive and develop the car extensively during 2011, then there is a high probability that Kubica might not be too happy with the car in 2012.

          As much as I like Kubica, I think it was wrong of him to say that Luizzi was the better racer of the two. I’m sure he doesn’t believe it himself, as none of us fans are buying it either.

      2. Just like to congratulate your use of a classic legardism – ‘Luizzi’ instead of Liuzzi.. :-P

  3. I don’t like that Crash.net thingy, apart from the fact that it’s not really for Robert to comment publicaly, it’s unfair that his private thoughts have been released.

    Anyway he’s barking up the wrong tree, Luizzi has been proven rubbish, Heidfeld is as known a superior in this situation as you can get in F1.

    1. ALSO, it might be possible that Kubica wants the worse driver to take his seat, meaning less competition and himself to look better.

      1. Well, that’s all plausible, but it’s also not outside the realm of possibility that Saward’s been right all along and Liuzzi really is fantastic. If you look at the cars that have been available to him compared to Heidfeld, Heidfeld’s certainly had a better shot at winning races (and hasn’t). Liuzzi has never had a race winning car. There’s certainly an argument for Heidfeld’s unparalleled consistency as well though. They’ll have to announce who’s gonna be in the car alongside Petrov in Barcelona pretty soon. Test for Liuzzi? It sounded like Heidfeld had it all tied up after his test run and Boullier’s comments before the test. The lack of announcement so far though is telling.

        1. Sutil has totally out driven him, and for a while so did Scot Speed, so it seems unlikely that he is any faster than Nick. Plus Nick has more experience. Also, why has he been let go from torro rosso and force india.

          Renault have probably written off a WDC for the year, so experience is what they need to set them up for next year.

        2. Heidfeld never impressed really exept for being reliable to bring a points haul. But why do teams rate Kubica so much higher (when based on points they were never that far apart) and why did Sauber not retain “Quick” Nick and went for Pedro DLR instead?

          I think there is a solid feeling in the paddock, that Nick does not have that motivation to go for the throat and win it. He needs a strong team mate to push him (compare JV and Kubica).
          Liuzzi, if good at developing, might have more of a drive to win and to prove himself, especially if he would be fighting against the FI cars.

          In the end, probably none of us know really. And Kubica, Saward, Alonso and all other drivers, teammembers and managers know a lot more about it. In the end Renault decides and I got the impression they were pretty much into choosing Heidfeld, despite of who the first on Kubica’s list might have been.

          One last thing against a test for Liuzzi might have been unfinished buissiness with FI contract termination.

          1. I had the impression Heidfeld pretty much had the seat as well, but Boullier said last week that if they were pleased with the test they would sign a driver immediately after Jerez and if they weren’t, then they would test Liuzzi and/or De La Rosa at Barcelona… Still no announcement. What does it mean?

            Another interesting thing is if you look at De La Rosa’s tweets back and forth with Webber yesterday, he mentions being in Monza, and that he will be in the paddock at Barcelona. What’s he doing in Monza, when HRT are there? What will he be doing in Barcelona? Is he lined up to test with Renault? Has he already been doing some testing for HRT and contrary to his earlier statements about pay drivers might actually have landed the second race seat with the Spanish team? With Heidfeld, Liuzzi, and De La Rosa all three fighting desperately for a race seat this year and only two seats open, at least one of them is going to be disappointed…

          2. I saw those tweets as well US_Peter.

            Probalbly Pedro was doing the Monza driving from his Pirelli role, but the connection to HRT is interesting.
            Him being in Barcelona might be because of HRT, or possibly Renault or just briefing the drivers on the tyres.
            I do hope Renault announces who will test in Barcelona soon, that might give a clue at least as to weather they have already decided on a driver or not.

    2. Megawatt Herring
      16th February 2011, 0:18

      I’m surprised he didn’t say Heidfeld, did they not get on as team mates? (I wasn’t as much of an avid F1 viewer back when they both raced for BMW)

    3. Liuzzi has been proven rubbish?!

      Go on, show us the proof. If I hear Kubica, one of the drivers who I rate as highly as any on the grid at the moment, praising Liuzzi, and on top of Alonso’s comments at the end of last season, I am tempted to recognize that they may know a little more about driving an F1 car than you or I…

      1. yet he was fired from a signed contract for a rookie? twice??

        1. Don’t forget there is money in these things as well. Sure DiResta did a good job as friday tester, but Mercedes giving a discount for the engines will have been a desicive factor.
          As for STR, I do not think we can hold that against Liuzzi too much. The driver management has been a mess in the past years.

          1. The driver management has been a mess in the past years.

            Like Franz Tost supposedly physically assaulting Scott Speed?

          2. Exactly. And I read at the time, that Liuzzi was strongly considering leaving at the same time as Scott.
            Apparently it was close to getting physical as well.

          3. Why would Tost get upset with his drivers if they had been performing adequately?

            It’s quite uncommon for a team boss to openly critique his drivers, but in the case of Speed and Liuzzi he still did. With good reason by the looks of it.

      2. I know I may be riding on a dead horse here, but to use the old saying: your team mate is the opponent you have to beat. And the Heidfeld/Liuzzi comparison in that regard is telling us quite a lot. The list of team mates of Heidfeld is almost unholy with how many star drivers were beaten by him (Alesi, Räikkönen, Massa, Frentzen and Kubica twice – and those only include the drivers who he had battled for a full season). Luizzi had to battle against Coulthard, Speed, Vettel and Sutil. All of whom (with the exception of Speed) had the better of him. I think Alonso’s and Kubica’s comments are simply pushing the market value of a friend they want to have in F1.

        1. As an Alesi fan I find something very wrong in your comment: Alesi beaten Heidfeld, not the other way round, both in qualy and in race positions(when that Prost shitbox even finished races, that is).

          Oh and btw, Frentzen beat Heidfeld too.

          Can’t disagree with everything else but just had to make those couple of things clear :)

          1. Yeah, I forgot about Frentzen’s podium. But Alesi may have been better that year, but history and championship tables will always have Heidfeld in front of Alesi, because the latter only had one ninth place as his best finish in 2000 whereas Heidfeld had two of those.

      3. @Henry. An what makes you think the drivers opinions are neutral? Or that drivers are a better judge of skill then the mechanics and engineers that run their cars? Because two teams have now fired him for under delivering, an indeed performing.

        Luizzi was comprehensivley thrased by Adrian Sutil last season. He was essentially to Sutil what Petrov was to Kubica. Say what you like about Heidfeld, Kubica never wiped the floor with him, infact he was the eptomin of the ideal number two, of Coulthard calibre. A proven superior driver. Luizzi has been shown to be a fairly sub par F1 driver in his results compared to his teamate.

        Don’t belive every headline from the drivers either, their words are often mis represented.

        1. I pretty much agree. Only thing against Heidfeld is what you state, him being the epitomen of the ideal nr. 2.

          Renault needs a Nr. 1, they do not have Petrov to push Nick.

          As for Alonso supporting Liuzzi, if I remember right, the Italian press asked him of the best Italian driver, so he named Tonio.

      4. Liuzzi has been proven rubbish?!

        Go on, show us the proof.

        I agree with you.

        He outqualified Adrian Sutil a whole four times in 24 attempts, so he’s obviously class.

        1. I agree.

          Kubica is obviously conscious of what Heidfeld is capable of, and what this year’s renault f1 car is, too. If this year’s car is really as good as it seems, Heidfeld can bring home the best result they have had in years. This would put Robert in a difficult position. As harsh as this may sound, the guys in the field know the drill: the show must go on, and people’s (read F1 audience) memory is short. If Heidfeld performs, he will stay in the team, and Kubica, even though probably replacing Petrov, will have to lose his “number 1” status at the team. Even if he physically fully recovers from the crash, we still do not know what the repercussions of the crash will have in him psychologically- just look at Massa.

          Heidfeld as always proven to be equal, if not better than Kubica in terms of performance. And Kubica knows this is a threat to his position…

      5. We have only a rumour that Kubica told Renault to hire his friend to replace him.

        How much does that say?

        In return we have seen Liuzzi underperform with every team he’s driven for. He drove so poorly that he never managed to keep a contract for more than a single season.

        ergo Proven rubbish.

        1. Everyone here seems to be assuming that Liuzzi always had a chance of beating his team mate, whereas in reality it could be that hes always been the second driver and alwas driven for teams that only push one car?

          1. I doubt that. He simply lost to Klein, Coulthard, Vettel and Sutil. Miserably in Sutil’s case.

    4. Anyone else see the irony in this story being reported by “Crash”?

      1. I’m not a fan of that site… The irony is a bit stomach turning.

  4. Megawatt Herring
    16th February 2011, 0:15

    It’s interesting to read that Lotus have their “blade” made of only carbon fibre but the rest of the teams use steel for their loop and FI for their blade. I hope that their blade can pass any stress testing.

    1. Well it would’ve had to have already passed homologation as a permanent part of the chassis for them to be driving it in FIA sanctioned tests I believe.

  5. I guess that Robert really expects to be back this season and wants to return. If Nick is doing well then it wouldnt be fair to kick him out of a seat if he is a title contender. If Liuzzi gets the seat then Robert will most likely be back the moment he returns.

    The relationship between Nick and Robert wasnt horrible but not that great either. Nick probably didnt like an inexperienced driver to challenge him. Robert probably didnt like the fact that in 2008 Nick was getting more attention than him. These arent facts but just my speculation and slight memories from the past. Maybe can someone clear that up for us. I also dont believe Nick has visited Robert yet, I may be wrong but many drivers have already visited him. Quite ironic considering the fact that they were partners for many years.

    1. Think maybe your brain is working a little hard here. Kubica will not be replaced by any driver, he is known as one of the most talented drivers on the grid and renault have built the team around him. If you think about it seriously, he may want the best driver possible in that seat so that the car is developed to a high standard for next year, so he could challenge for the title. then picking the best driver might make sense…rather than some botched conspiracy theory!

      1. I agree. If anyone stands to be replaced by a driver that performs well in the seat this year it would be Petrov. Even if Renault end up with someone that they feel performs better than Kubica, they know that Kubica’s a better driver than Petrov…

        1. Petrov brought in millions. It could be pretty expensive to replace him.

          1. But maybe not in the last few races of the season if it means finishing a position higher for the WCC, gaining them money, and in addition a better preparation for 2012 with Kubica?

  6. I have a random question which I’d like to ask…

    Who were the last five drivers to drive in just a single GP? Off the top of my head I can think of Setphane Sarrizan for Minardi at Interlagos 1999, and Markus Winckelhock at Nurburgring 2007. Have there been any others in this period? I assume you have to go back to around 1994 to find more, but maybe I’m overlooking someone?..

    1. Michael Griffin
      16th February 2011, 1:08

      Not sure about the last five, but from what I can remember at this hour, the following did just one race, although this is from about 1970 onwards:

      Marco Apicella, Warwick Brown, Hans Heyer, Masima Kuwashima, Dave Morgan, Bertil Roos, Kunimitsu Takahashi, Guy Tunmer, Jo Valenthen.

      I believe F1 Racing did a feature on this a while back about drivers who only had once race.

      Can’t really think of any from 94 onwards that did just one race. Although even though he didn’t race, Vincenzo Sospiri *might* count. Then again, that was for Lola in 97…

      1. Ahh, Kuwashima! He’s a favourite over on F1 Rejects. Sospiri would be a good one, although Lola never actually started a race so I suppose he doesn’t count.

      2. Markus Winkelhock?

    2. On the assumption you mean started only one GP, even if they tried and failed to qualify for others:

      Roland Ratzenberger – he DNQed in Brazil ’94, started the Pacific GP and DNS in San Marino for obvious reasons.

      Jean-Louis Schlesser only ever started once at the 1988 Italian GP for Williams, where he famously collided with Ayrton Senna while being lapped.

      Miguel Ángel Guerra only started the 1981 San Marino GP.

      Tiff Needell started the 1980 Belgian GP.

      Michael Bleekemolen started just once, in 1978, although he had a few other attempts at qualifying.

    3. Do I remember Jean-Cristophe Boullion driving one race for Sauber in 1995, or have I got that wrong?

      *checks wikipedia* Yup, got it wrong, 11 races in 1995. Must be mixing him up with Stephane Sarrizan.

  7. I dont doubt his ability as a driver. I truly believe he is up there with Alonso and Hamilton and Renault seem to prosper with Kubica developing the car along with the engineers. I just posted my thought on these rumors.

  8. Craig Scarborough needs to write articles more often.
    I can’t get enough of his site!

    1. If he wrote any more articles, it’ll technically be a curriculum! :)

  9. Just looking through Webber’s twitter account, very interesting conversation with Pedro dela, seems Pedro doesn’t limit his crashing to f1 cars.

    1. They were commenting a bit on Alex Wurz crashing the wonder McLaren a few years back. Seems to be a running gag between Pedro and Alex.

  10. I’m sorry, I’m not comfortable assigning bad motive to a guy who barely kept his life this week.

    He’s probably talking from his passion and belief. Can you imagine anyone being better than Kubica in that car? I can’t. If he believes in Luizzi, why can’t he promote his view on the matter. I would.

    Roberts not a cowardly creative to try and impair the judgement of EB for selfish reasons in my view. he’s a tiger, and only acts in accordance with his hears believes.

    Of course, this is my arm chair view of the situation. So it’s not quotes Gods vantage point I grant you :)

    1. I agree wholeheartedly. In my estimation Kubica is one of the more upstanding members of the F1 community, and in his present state is likely to be speaking from his heart. As you say he’s not going to be trying to manipulate Boullier’s decision, but is free to offer his opinion, and frankly Boullier would be foolish not to at least listen to what he has to say. Then again, this whole report of him recommending Liuzzi could be false info drummed up by the Italian press, just like the reports that his condition was slipping yesterday.

      In any case, I imagine Kubica’s going in for surgery at any moment now, and I’m hoping to wake up in the morning to read that he’s out of his final surgery and all has gone well!

  11. Could Bambino and BayernLB have had something on somebody contractually? Was this a payoff rather than a facilitation fee? Considering CVC paid way over the odds and will never get it back, what else would it be?

    1. Could someone relatively well-schooled in the ins and outs of high finance translate that CVC investigation article into people language? Basically, if I’ve got it right, someone in the Ecclestone/CVC camp paid this Gribkowsky guy $50m to sell BayernLB Bank’s share of F1 rights to CVC, rather than to anyone else, in 2005 – right? Which contravenes laws on open bidding, or something along those lines? Curiously, the article doesn’t at all mention the sums involved in all these sales of F1 rights. Anyhoo, if someone in the know can elucidate, it will be mucho appreciated.

        1. Apologies, the complete post turns into a link to an article on the ‘Bloomberg.com’ no idea how!

  12. I fully believe that Kubica is mostly concerned about losing face and Nick showing him up. A driver’s seat is a hard thing to lose. But he really shouldn’t be concerned with that. He needs to focus on gettng better.

    He may say that Luizzi is a better choice, but I think Renault will stick with Nick.

    1. If I had to choose, between Heidfeld, Senna, Liuzzi.

      I think I would pick Senna, he’s young has experienced F1 in a horrible car last year and this next step should be happening. Heidfeld can do Friday’s 1st Practice incase Senna doesn’t deliver.

      1. I agree, would love to see Senna have a chance, but doesn’t look like Renault want to take that risk of a near rookie.

  13. The whole debacle concerning the 50 million dollar bribe is going to really be big news this year. If Bernie gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar…. can’t say what will occur.

    All I know is that whatever happens. I hope someone more saavy on internet marketing will takeover the video collection and put it online to promote the sport. This will only fuel more spectators and fans of formula one and make the current fans very very happy because we can finally watch the old seasons. Especially in the winter months when there is little else to do but write comments on fansites.

    1. But it would be Bernie getting cought putting those 50 million into the cookie jar, wouldn’t it?

      Still I gather there are quit a few questions remaining, as the receiver has been arrested, but it is not too clear who sent the money. The motive is a bit dodgy as well then.

  14. is there any mileage in the theory that Kubica might prefer Luizzi as he has a similar driving style and so would develop the car in a direction that would suit Kubica when he returned?
    Was there not talk of BMW developing more towards Heidfeld’s preferences at some stage?

    1. Personally – I really wonder how much mileage there is in this story at all. Anything’s possible, but it’s rather… ummm, surprising that if the team asked Kubica about his preferences that it wouldn’t be kept totally hush hush. Anyhoo, maybe we’ll find out it’s true, but it seems a tad wobbly.

      1. I don’t even believe that Kubica would answer that question, and will go a far as saying it was probably never even asked. I’m sorry but people have been known to write full blown headlines on a hint of a prossiblr subjective murmur.

  15. Seeing as Keith has very gneerously agreed to hose this image for me, I thought I’d at least link to it. It’s a panorama I stitched together using 10 photographs I took whilst at the British Grand Prix last year. If you’re on a slow(er) connection, it may take a while, it’s 4.5mb and over 8000 pixels long.

    https://www.racefans.net/images/2010britishgpgrispanorama.jpg

    1. Wow, great view of the starting grid in one go!

      1. Yeah have to agree, great photo. Makes me really want to get there this year….where’s the penny jar?..

    2. Very nice stuff, thanks for the effort put into it.

  16. Did Kubica get a knock on the head in his crash? Heidfield can be the only option for his seat while he recovers – or is Kubica nervous that Heidfield is a threat to his future at Renault…?

  17. Keith’s online now :)

  18. Cool interview.

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