Vettel’s problems hand Webber a precious chance

2011 Spanish GP pre-race analysis

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Mark Webber, Red Bull, Barcelona, 2011

For the first time this year Sebastian Vettel isn’t on pole position.

Can Mark Webber capitalise on a rare chance to put one over his team mate?

And will Vettel be left stranded at the start without his KERS power boost?

The start

Does Sebastian Vettel really think his KERS will be fixed in time for the start of the race?

Or were his words in the press conference that he’s “sure” it will be sorted actually a coded plea to his team to make sure he’s not left vulnerable at the start of the race.

If he has to make a KERS-less start he could be in big trouble. Mark Webber lost six places at the start in Malaysia without his.

And at 440m, this is one of the longest runs to the first corner. No wonder Lewis Hamilton, third on the grid, fancies his chances:

“Third on the grid is actually a perfect position – because, if you get a good start, you can slipstream the guys in front. My aim is to be P1 by turn one! It doesn’t normally go that way, but as long as I don’t go backwards I’ll be happy.”

Vettel has the added disadvantage of starting off-line: not as great a problem as it was for Webber in Istanbul, but nonetheless not ideal.

Michael Schumacher potentially has the same problem as Vettel following his KERS problems in qualifying.

Interestingly, even McLaren haven’t been immune to glitches with their system this weekend. Martin Whitmarsh said they hadn’t been able to use their KERS to its full because it wasn’t up to its “optimal operating temperature”.


The new hard tyre introduced by Pirelli appears to be lasting very well but it is around two seconds per lap slower than the soft.

Using it any earlier than necessary in the race would be a significant gamble so teams are likely to try to run as many sets of soft tyres as possible.

Here are how many new sets of soft tyres each of the drivers have left for the race:

DriverSets left
Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa, Nico Rosberg, Vitaly Petrov, Pastor Maldonado, Sergio Perez, Jaime Alguersuari0
Sebastian Vettel, Mark Webber, Lewis Hamilton, Jenson Button, Michael Schumacher, Kamui Kobayashi, Sebastien Buemi, Heikki Kovalainen, Jarno Trulli, Narain Karthikeyan, Vitantonio Liuzzi, Timo Glock, Jerome D’Ambrosio1
Adrian Sutil, Paul di Resta2
Rubens Barrichello, Nick Heidfeld3

As usual the top ten drivers will have to start on the same tyres they qualified on. That’s potentially a problem for Hamilton, who flat-spotted a set during Q3.

Schumacher will have a free choice of tyres having not set a time in Q3.

Nick Heidfeld hasn’t used any of his soft tyres and has the chance to “do a Webber” – mimicking his run from 18th to third in Shanghai, aided by a large stock of fresh tyres.

With drivers wanting to spend as little time on the hard tyre as possible, strategy is likely to be centred around postponing the stop as late as they can.

They may be willing to tolerate a greater degree of drop-off in performance on the soft tyre than usual as the hard tyres are so much slower.

The long DRS zone which begins at the start/finish line should make overtaking much easier than it has been in the past at the Circuit de Catalunya.

That leaves us anticipating another unpredictable race – with the tantalising prospect of seeing the championship leader in the thick of the action for once.

Who do you think will win the Spanish Grand Prix? How do you think the race will unfold?

Have your say in the comments.

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    93 comments on “Vettel’s problems hand Webber a precious chance”

    1. Nick Heidfeld 4 set of soft tyres? Aren’t they all have 3 set of soft tyres available for quali and race?

      1. Yeah I think you are right. Accoding to the rules before each qualifying starts each driver is given 3 soft & 3 hard tyres both for qualifying & race.

        1. Heidfeld has 3, Barichello has 2 and Kobayashi has 1 the erst are correct I think

      2. Sorry about this: it’s the first time I’ve compiled this data and I overlooked the clause about having to give a set of tyres back after third practice. Won’t make that mistake again.

        Anyway, I’ve corrected the table above: Heidfeld has three sets, Kobayashi one. Barrichello does have three – as far as I’m aware he only ran hards in qualifying.

        1. reviewin q2 i’m afraid kobayashi has used a new set for half a lap in the last run. it’s not easy to distinguish new/used tires, as well as silver/yellow markings: it’s unuseful the long yellow circle when the wheel is rotating. the upper white marking used in china is much better, cos it’s a mark that prime has not in that position.
          keith why not to write something abt??

    2. not completely accurate keith: heidfeld has got 3 soft (not 4)and 3 harder, all new.
      And according to Key’s, Kobayashi has got one set of new soft tyres:

      We did just a single run on soft tyres in Q1. Then we did a quick lap on used tyres in Q2 and a single lap on new tyres at the end of the session. Unfortunately Sergio was just a bit shy of the top ten, while Kamui ended up being stuck behind a slower car for half a lap, so he unfortunately lost his time and was unable to progress from P14, which was set on old tyres

    3. Nick might as well start on the hard, do 1 lap and be super fast the rest of the race with all those softs

      1. Except the hards take about 3 laps to come in, from a grid start that is.

        1. Cancel that, your comment still makes sense.

      2. nice plan, it would also get him out of the traffic and in theory into the perfect spot (~20s behind the field) to make up that gap between the start and the first set of stops for everybody else. He would need to be 1s a lap faster than the rest of the field, which is very achievable on the soft vs hard from what we have seen in quali

        1. But it means he automatically has to gain 20 seconds on everyone else, effectively giving them a free pit stop. I think he’s better of using the time to pass back markers.

          1. The point is minimizing the time spent on the hard tyre. Since he’s the only person that (possibly) has enough soft tyres to last the race distance, he can cut out losing 2s per lap making up the rest of the laps on hard tyres.

            If other people do 12 laps on the hard tyre he’s already made up a pit stop at that speed, plus he doesn’t get stuck behind backmarkers at the beginning.

            1. Maybe Nick should try staying on the softs until the last 3 laps (Kamui Kobayashi deployed this tactic successfully a few times last year)? The last few laps are, if any, the ones most likely to feature a lack of challenger and if the “windows” suggest a different gap is better, it’s easier to calculate it at the end of the race than to guess exactly how big to make the gap at the beginning.

            2. I am not that sure about that. Why not pass some backmarkers from the start with KERS, then hold on for a while and stop based on watching lap times. Then he can optimize the 3 sets of softs after the Virgins and HRT cars get left behind, slotting in in front of them after his pitstop and still having good running to optimize stints on the softs.
              Do not forget his first serious targets will be the FI cars who have a lot of softs left as well.

      3. Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
        22nd May 2011, 0:51

        Exactly what I was thinking. What if there was a first lap SC as well? He could be very exciting to watch!

      4. That would mean spending over 20 laps on each set of soft tyres though, and i think its very unlikely they’ll last that long, so near the end hed probably have to stop for hards again, meaning 4 stops.

        Where as someone who starts with their 3 sets if softs could stay on each set until they start to go off, then hope they can hang on to a single hard set until the finish. So they’d only have 3 stops, maximise time on fast rubber and minimise time on slow.

    4. If Vettel and Hamilton have faulty a KERS Alonso can make up many positions at the start. Both McLarens and both Red Bulls are the only of the top teams to have an extra set of softs, plus Schumacher who has seldomly shone.

      1. BBC commentry seemed to think Lewis didnt have an new set of softs. Seemed strange to me that they’d used them all up

        1. Two sets with one lap on them and one set totally new. I think. One set badly flat spotted the ones he starts on.

    5. I think starting on the hards will be the right way to go. It will minimise the time spent on it and due to it being slow anyone on them should come out in clean air after their first stop!

      1. Do you think you would lose too many places of the start with such a long run to the first corner? A start on hards even if perfect could lose you 3 – 4 places.

        1. Not if you’re dead last and you’re on a Renault. For any other guys… I believe they all better to extract the soft as long as possible. Even with the huge degradation when the soft falling of the cliff it is still produce the same, if not better, lap times compared to the new hard.

          OTOH, since they start with a full tank, probably the difference between the soft and the hard wouldn’t be as much compared when running light… so I don’t really know. Maybe it is still a good idea starting with the hard.

          1. The key is weight-induced degradation. By not using the soft tyres when the car is heaviest and instead taking the penalty on the worst tyres you can maximise your running on the better tyre, which is what Webber did in China.

            True, it costs you quite a few places off the start. But you’re going so much slower they’d get you anyway and you’d lose time being overtaken.

            1. What you say is true. The only thing that would concern me if I were Schumacher say, is that a stack of people easily able to pass me at the start increases the chance of an accident in the opening stint quite a lot.

            2. Also true, but its better not to count on a crash at teh start (given as Hamilton proved last time not everything is decided in the first corner).

              If I where Quick Nick Heidfeld I would start on Hards definately and then hopefully go SOFT SOFT SOFT for the rest. The Renault is nice to its tyres and they shouold be able to work out approx (just like rbrwith Webber) how many laps those 3 sets will last for.

              It doesn’t matter if Heidfeld goes backwards at the start and finishes his stint last as every will have to do that at some stage and he’ll be on softs then.

              So basically he does his hards, goes to softs ASAP, undercuts as many as possible. POTENTIAL PROBLEM: Passing drivers on softs. SOLUTION: They are probably thinking of giong to hards to get that out of the weight way so it shouldn’t be too bad. STOP: New softs… repeat STOP: New softs… FINISH: Hopefully top 5 probably top 10

            3. I don’t even think it will cost as many places from the start. If Heidfeld can get past the Virgins, HRTs and possibly Trulli he has only Heikki to worry about really as he will be a lot faster than the cars behind even on his hards.

              Then he can build a gap to them to stop and stay ahead of these cars and optimize running in free air to get optimized use of the softs.

    6. jsw11984 (@jarred-walmsley)
      21st May 2011, 20:26

      Just thought i’d let you know, power is misspelt as pwoer in the first section, apart from that great article. I’m thrilled that Webber has managed to get on pole, hopefully he can make a good KERS assisted start and have a good lead by the first corner

    7. I reckon Schumacher get in the top five with a perfect race.

      1. keep on wishing

        1. You never know ;)

          1. I expect him to become an 8-time world champion this year. ;)

    8. The race is 66 laps long and the soft tyres are not lasting more than a few laps passed ten. So exactly how little time can someone spend on one set of hard tyres if their soft tyre quota isn’t looking too rosey? It’s a strategists nightmare!

      If I were on the hard tyre with three sets of new soft tyres available (Heidfeld). It’s probable that I would now know already exactly which lap I would be changing onto my first set of soft tyres.

      I can see someone definitely doing a Webber.

      1. we heard this “doing a webber” last race in relation to kobayashi, but the key ingredient missing is that you need a Redbull to go from 18th to 3rd.

        It’ll be too easy to go onto the softs too soon and end up needing an extra hard stint at the end or too late and end up doing too many laps on the hards and being left with a half used set of softs

    9. I think Petrov could throw a spanner in the works for the top 5. If he had matched his sector 2 time from Q2 in Q3, he would have only been 1 tenth off 3rd-4th-5th. The pace is clearly there, and the Renaults tend to get good starts.

      1. Thats true, Renault and Petrov have done some very good starts. Would be a bit of a downer for Alonso to get stuck behind him again, wouldn’t it!

        1. I think Petrov might have to leave Spain in a hurry if that happened!

      2. yes, it was warm and the distance to first corner was long – suddenly Heidfeld was P2 and Petrov had gained a lot as well. But Heidfeld needs to consider using his hards from the green light and change to softs when they can see that he can get through the rest with them.
        But I think the qualifying gets more and more boring. Only a few of them really race it at qualifying. Q3 was over even before tension had really been build up. How about give those who make it to Q3 an extra set of softs?

        1. The last Neanderthal (@)
          22nd May 2011, 3:03

          “How about give those who make it to Q3 an extra set of softs?”
          that is brilliant idea, hmmm … maybe not extra set but maybe replace one set with new one?

    10. Great idea for the list of who has what tyres left Keith.

      And are we certain Vettel really had a glitch with the KERS? Can it not be the team asked him not to use it just to be on the safe side with temperatures etc.?

      1. It wasnt working from Q1 till the end of Qualy. whether it works tomorrow i dont know. But no KERs on a long start to the corner and the dirty side doesnt bode well, esspecially in a car thats not got the quickest straightline speed.

      2. Yea, nice new addition.

        Really hope that Barrichello can make the best of it and give the FW33 a good run-out.

    11. Gaston (@golarrazabal)
      21st May 2011, 21:13

      Alonso might be super thrilled with his 4th place but I think it was a mistake for Ferrari to use a set of softs on Q1. I think that’ll be costly.

      1. But if they didn’t, they probably wouldn’t have passed to Q2. The McLaren took a great risk also.

      2. Agree. The only person who it wasn’t a mistake to use softs in Q1 for was Kovalinen. He needed them to get to Q2. With Heidfeld not taking part though, everyone else should have backed their ability to beat the 3 newer teams with the harder tyre.

        1. Well, Massa needed them too, or he would have risked ending behind Trulli!

      3. I agree. Heidfeld wasn’t going to set a lap time, and to be honest, the team should’ve kept an eye on Rubens and when they knew it was too late for him to do a lap they should’ve aborted their soft tyre run.
        So two guys out, and four cars nowhere near the pace, only Heikki was a threat. So that meant only Massa needed to do a soft tyre run.

        McLaren ended the session somewhere near the relegation zone. They did the right thing.

        1. The problem is they didn’t knew what Rubens will do.
          And if Massa went for a soft run then Alonso had to respond because Massa would probably do a lot better in the soft than what he did on hard.

    12. Really looking forward to this one. I’ll be watching Vettel like a hawk. Tomorrow he has the chance to prove a lot of his critics wrong, especially if his KERS isn’t up to scratch. He also has the opportunity to prove a lot of them right. It will be very telling either way.

      1. Prove what? He was behind both Alonso and Webber last race 2010, but won. He has almost made a perfect start to the season this year. Newey and RBR with Vettel in the car, will be unstopable unless FIA fiddles the rules again. I think they will dominate several more season from now.
        If You mean if he can overtake or not, well You can hardly compare this year’s overtaking abilities with F1 in the past. Look at his past with Torro Rosso and Williams BMW instead if You think he is just a spoiled brat in the best car of the field. Maybe he wouldn’t be the best if all were driving the RB7, but he would still be in top 5 I think.
        No matter what he does, his critics will still critise.

        1. I wasn’t criticising Vettel, I like him and I don’t agree with a lot of the criticism he receives. You cannot under-estimate the driver/car combination. That’s a skill like any other.

    13. It’s really starting to get annoying having to read the subtle anti-Webber bias on this site.

      Sure Vettel had a KERS issue but the title reads like that’s the only reason Mark outqualified him. Let’s not forget that last year Webber outqualified Vettel by about 1/10th of a second here. Yesterday it was 2/10ths of a second, even better. Vettel said himself that “I didn’t use KERS in Q2 and Q3, but it’s not right to say I didn’t have KERS and [therefore] Mark got pole – he deserved pole,” — and judging by the amount of footage we saw of Vettel comparing his throttle/braking chart versus Webbers, I don’t think he’s just saying that.

      I think it’s just the word “hands” in particular, like Webber was simply given pole position because Vettel had a problem. How about just: “Webber secures first pole of season” or “Vettel’s run of poles ended by Webber” or you know … anything else.

      1. An earlier article I’ve just noticed is titled “Webber beats Vettel to pole position” – that’s exactly right, but then this one has the subtle anti-Webber vibe, what’s the go? Like you just couldn’t help mentioning it and linking the two together.

        1. Vettel was the man to beat, Webber today beat him to take Pole Position. The title ^^ reflects nothing more than that.

        2. KERS is worth what, 3-5 10ths? Webber beat him by two. So it’s pretty likely that it was Vettels problem that handed him the pole.

          1. Is KERS really worth 3-5 tenths of a second? Or did you just parrot that number from some website, which parroted it from a Twitter feed which simply re-stated what the KERS estimate for the Australian GP was?

            1. Brundle mentioned on BBC that it was worth about 5/10ths, so I ‘parroted’ it from him if you like. I suppose you’ve taken your RBR7 out and tested the difference? Or been chatting to Newey about it? It’s widely considered that KERS is worth that sort of difference, which means that in real terms Webber was at least 0.1s slower. It’s still fantastic that he beat him, and it’s the closest he’s been all season which shows he’s improving, and Vettel could well be in all sorts of trouble on the first lap, but unless they’re running equally functioning cars then we can’t say he’s outqualified Vettel on merit can we.

      2. I can only agree to be fair, maybe Webber didn’t sign Keith’s autograph book. :) I jest

        I am however very glad to see no sour faces at the Qualifying Press conference for once! about freaking time!

      3. I agree, I was thinking the same thing. It seems almost every statistic or article I read here is rather anti webber.

        Unlike PF1’s love affair with him.

      4. It’s really starting to get annoying having to read the subtle anti-Webber bias on this site.

        I’ve got nothing against Webber at all and I’m incredibly disappointed to see so many people apparently think I’ve got it in for him.

        He’s a very good driver, had an excellent season last year, and is a thoroughly pleasant bloke who, unlike many of his peers, usually has something interesting to say.

        But I’m not going to pretend he hasn’t been beaten consistently by Vettel this year. The facts up to this race speak for themselves.

        Webber was having a promising weekend up to this point – he was quickest in both sessions on Friday. But Vettel was only two-tenths slower than him in qualifying without KERS and it doesn’t take a genius to realise Vettel would almost certainly have been faster with KERS.

        Perhaps you wouldn’t have misread my views on Webber if you didn’t invest so much meaning in the headline without apparently having read the article? I did refer to ‘doing a Webber’ as being synonymous for making up 15 places during a race. Hardly a criticism…

        1. touche’

          I would’ve loved to have seen Webber in the RB7 in his younger days, he even put that Jaguar on the front row!

        2. I rather think that many fans are biased very much FOR Webber – just try to put in a line or two about a balanced attitude towards the Vettel-Webber Turkey incident last year on the RBR fan site – You can reignite a war that way!
          This is also why Vettel is very diplomatic?
          So I think You are following a very good balanced approach, Keith – just keep up the good work.
          But strange that Webber didn’t show joy and happiness over the P1 result.

          1. Im sure he would’ve looked a lot worse if he were second, he knows you don’t get points for pole, and think he would’ve liked to have beaten Vet on equal terms.But its Long race, not to mention a long run to the first corner! Hopefully an exciting race, but I still want the pole sitter to win! Would like to see Vet get swamped to the first corner, nothing against him I would just like to see him have to fight through the field and Web to have a leisurely drive out front! :)

        3. Best thing is, Webber did exactly what we wanted of him and you challenged him to do in the preview. Pip Seb from pole.

          Fact is he did use KERS and Vettel did not, showing it did help Webber. But that is nothing against Webber, rather another worry for RB as they struggle with getting everyting right.

          Great reporting Keith.

      5. I think you’ll find that reality has an anti-Webber bias.

      6. I wish people would leave the bias thing alone, no matter how you articulate an article somebody will read something into it, it just becomes annoying to read comments that of bias.
        Keith actually does a great job of remaining neutral and then telling the facts backed up with statistics.

    14. I think all of this is really playing to the hands of Webber this weekend. Everybody has some concerns behind him and his biggest is to keep Hamilton behind in the run to the first corner.

      Vettel has a KERS-problem which, if not working, could be deadly at the start. Keith made the point: one of the shortest main straight in Melbourne cost Webbo six places. What could one of the longest – 440 m – mean for Vettel in terms of positions? The dirty side of the grid just adds up to this problem and I bet for a third place for him at the first corner at best – Lewis is going to end up in front of him, that’s for sure.

      Lewis meanwhile has his flat-spotted tyre which is not a problem at the start but it is in the long run. It could cause him to stop earlier forcing him to do more laps on the slower options.

      For Alonso 0.003 seconds could be the difference between a podium finish and a mediocre race in the points: dirty side of the grid. Also he has no new prime left which means (a) an extra stint on the options compared to others, or (b) a shorter prime stint because of the used set. Any of these could hinder his aim of finishing on the podium.

      For Button… Well, there isn’t any concern for him besides the fact that from the quintet he has the least favorable grid position.

      I predict that Hamilton does going to end up P1 overtaking Webber into Turn 1, but the flat-spotted tyre and the Melbourne-like dominance of the Red Bulls will relegate him to a 2nd finish behind Mark. I think Vettel will have problems with his KERS at the start, falling behind and making his way up to a podium finish with Button a close fourth and Alonso a distant fifth.

      1. i like your logic, but i feel that the renaults will have a part to play tomorrow

        1. Well, Petrov has the same issue as Alonso and I don’t think he has the race pace of Ferrari not mentioning Red Bull and McLaren.

          Heidfeld could well play a hugely succesful catch-up with 3 set of new softs (let’s stick to this convention ;)). ‘Doing a Webber’ as Keith put it. Maybe he could make it into the top five, I agree with that. (Despite starting 24th compared to Petrovs’ 6th – this is the difference 3 sets of new softs make.)

          1. But the Renaults have been pretty good at starts before, Petrov might mix up these guys a bit.

      2. You’ve got prime and option the wrong way round. If you replace prime with soft, and option with hard, then your predictions make sense.

        1. Sorry about that. I do it occasionaly.

    15. The post is titled the way it is because lack of KERS is really the only reason Webber did beat Vettel. Vettel was only two tenths behind Webber without the extra half second that KERS brings.

      Had Webber’s KERS been faulty as well, he would have qualified almost 3 tenths behind Vettel.

      1. Ah Lindsay if not for the wee willie syndrome here abouts you might be onto something. Do you remember the editors rebalancing when Webber’s KERS wasn’t working and Vettel’s was? No? No need to question your recall, it’s fine.

        Webber went easy on a set of softs in Q2 and that would’ve shaken a little wiggly one up even more.

      2. Lindsay where do you get half a second from? Sure on some tracks but on this one it’s *maybe* 2 tenths a lap. Vettel is P2, and he needs to deal with it, just like last year.

        1. Just like how KERS wasn’t the half a second Webber was losing in the earlier races.

        2. I don’t know where this half a second figure comes from either. Yes I know Brundle said it but when KERS first came about the number being bandied around was more like 0.3. It’s probably the full half-second at somewhere like Monza or Brazil (high altitudes).

    16. I only hope (appart from Mark winning) that Sebastian really struggles off the line, so he can fight back…

      He really needs a good show of overtakes…

    17. News flash … Helmut Marko was seen in the RedBull garage last night swapping over the numbers on Webbers car so Vettel had KERS for the start of the race…. Otherwise he is a sitting duck.

    18. Trulli would have two sets….. considering he only did one lap in Q1..

    19. Pink Pirelli
      22nd May 2011, 4:22

      Spain just got interesting…

    20. I think based upon the season thus far that it is reasonable to expect excitement in Spain in the morning. As far as Keith’s rather unflattering headline…., Oh well. It is sort of true. No? I really appreciate M.W. The evidence of his talent is irrefutable. However, let’s not pretend He is as fast as S.V. Last year was an anomaly. It sucks that He couldn’t grab the title then, but I feel perhaps He missed His best opportunity . I found Myself wishing for his success, and would have rather He won honestly. Anyway, enough blathering. If M.W. wins then Keith will have to write about the victory. Right?

      1. Adrian Morse
        22nd May 2011, 6:47

        I hadn’t noticed any emotional favouritism from Keith towards Vettel, but if Mark wins the Spanish GP and the article is titled “Vettel doesn’t win Spanish GP”, then I will become a believer ;)

    21. There’s that magical half-second KERS number again, where did it come from?

      1. Eddie Jordan IIRC. According to

        gain is between 0.1 and 0.4 seconds per lap depending on circuit characteristics.

        Malibu_GP, last year Seb beat Mark 4 times to pole by less than 8 hundreths of a second.

        Since both Sutil(in reference to Schumi weighing more on his return) and Coultard(March Aussie F1 magazine) have said that the extra weight Mark carries(10Kg?) is worth a tenth over a lap I don’t think it’s unreasonable that Mark is as fast as Seb in equal cars, though unless FIA does something about driver weight differences we’ll never know and I wouldn’t expect them to.

        Personally I think Seb does have 1-2 tenths if both lap at their maximums, which sucks as a Webber fan =\.

        1. What’s the “Malibu_GP”?

          1. its someone above’s username, that he is responding to :-)

        2. So it’s the usual thing we see, 0.4s becomes half a second for simplicity’s sake.

    22. For the sake of the championship I would be complaining to see a DNF next to Sebastians name.

      1. wouldn’t?

    23. It’ll be interesting to see how Vettel races in the pack, which he’s bound to do if his KERS problems cause him to have a poor start.
      He hasn’t really had much running with other cars in a while, so it remains to be seen if he can.

    24. You do need a little bit of luck an Mark got it yesterday. KERS is worth more than 2 tenths, and I assume he had KERS onboard which meant he had a dead weight!!

    25. How about a reverse grid qualifying? Massa in front, the Red Bulls at the back, the others in roughly the same slots, with an extra point for pole position. But ofcourse, F1 being F1, we’d have teams timing their laps to get into 7th or 8th. Oh well. It was a thought.

    26. I follow many f1 groups/people/drivers on f1 and say to Keith is anti weber makaes me laugh! If you followed his many blogs and tweets you would actualy see how much interesting f1 information he posts and also a great insight in to the behind the scenes work that goes on in f1. Webber/vettle if fact…. This is not say Webber is not a great driver and with upgrades changes maybe later in the season could be quicker than his teammate. N with a good start today he might just finish No. 1!

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