Vettel fastest as red flag flies again

37 comments on “Vettel fastest as red flag flies again”

1. 

   Eggry (@eggry)
   11th June 2011, 16:10

   Please, No-Vettel-Pole. at least in Canada, it shouldn’t!
   1. 

      hoshi (@hoshi)
      11th June 2011, 16:15

      Mclarens pace is disappointing..esp here where they are expected to shine

      looks like their race pace is top notch..but it will definitely compromise their race if they start fifth and sixth..

      Alonso is doing a monster job in the ferrari while i think NICO can spoil one or two top guys party..
      1. 

         Fixy (@)
         11th June 2011, 16:26

         It looks as if Ferrari are ahead of McLaren, but I expect the gaps to become minimal by qualifying.
   2. 

      Atticus
      11th June 2011, 16:21

      Agree, but it is bound to happen unless we get rain.
      1. 

         BasCB (@bascb)
         11th June 2011, 17:12

         Any news on that rain Atticus?
2. 

   VXR
   11th June 2011, 16:12

   Vettel still looks to be the man to beat for pole position. Apparently the Red Bull KERS only puts out two thirds of the power that other KERS do!
   1. 

      Timi
      11th June 2011, 16:14

      But it’s a net advantage due to the aerodynamic gain. I think It’s a smaller story than it is, buy because it’s RBR it’s going to become a huge thing.
      1. 

         Timi
         11th June 2011, 16:15

         I meant ‘but’ not ‘buy’!
      2. 

         VXR
         11th June 2011, 16:18

         Well, it’s a net advantage because Red Bull thought about what was more important for its car. Extra slipperiness or extra power?

         Webber isn’t working, so it’s possibly not a net advantage at all. :)
         1. 

            Timi
            11th June 2011, 16:28

            This particular track and for webber, I agree.
            But they’ve proved that aerodynamics is v important which is why they beat teams with alledgedly more power week in-week out..

            Also, quick rant about ‘MERCEDES POWER’ every commentator goes on about. I believe all engines are about 760bhp. The max difference between power would be about 10bhp. People go on and on about it, as if mercedes’ engines are rocket powered!!
            It’s not on this article but look at the stats from yesterday’s free practice, Renault near top of speed charts. Heck, look at the top speed figures for every race this season! Renault engine. Maybe we should start talking about RENaULT POWER. The main difference between engines is the drivability. As Varro hello said two seasons ago.

            Rant over. :)
            1. 

               VXR
               11th June 2011, 16:34

               I believe that the teams can measure individual engine power using some sort of audio device?
            2. 

               Eggry (@eggry)
               11th June 2011, 16:39

               well, engine souund reflects rev of engine but you never know power. power=rev*torque but you never know torque by sound.
            3. 

               mateuss (@mateuss)
               11th June 2011, 16:41

               Yeah, on the engine power point. :D
               Actually last years Canada race was good example in areo v power for speed, because last year there was a Renault at the top of the speed trap charts and an RBR near the bottom. This year the Maccas are some of the slowest, Lewis in FP3 was actually second to last, while the Mercs and Indias are near the top.
               So conclusion – Its all about the areo. (At least in this competitive field, when the engines are similar spec and almost identical.)
            4. 

               Eggry (@eggry)
               11th June 2011, 16:43

               I agree with meteuss.
   2. 

      mateuss (@mateuss)
      11th June 2011, 16:24

      I checked with the rules, and confirmed my thoughts, that that should mean that they could use the KERS system system unit system for 10 seconds, if the 40kW figure is accurate, because there is no time limit to it, just 400kJ per lap rule.
      But do they? Can their system handle 400kJ per lap, and is it just the throughput issue, or are they only recovering part of the potential limited kinetic energy?
      1. 

         VXR
         11th June 2011, 16:30

         I thought that the maximum time allowed per lap for KERS to be used, regardless of output, was 6.6 seconds?
         1. 

            mateuss (@mateuss)
            11th June 2011, 16:48

            I checked both technical and sporting rules and didn’t find any deployment time limitation for KERS. the 6.6s comes from 400kJ/60kW=6.6s So by logic 400/40=10s.

            http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/055CFD424959A061C1257870003A02F0/$FILE/1-2011%20TECHNICAL%20REGULATIONS%2008-03-2011.pdf

            http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/B629812D19AA0E20C125789400396558/$FILE/1-2011%20SPORTING%20REGULATIONS%2008-03-2011.pdf
            1. 

               BasCB (@bascb)
               11th June 2011, 17:17

               that might actually be a bit of an advantage then!
3. 

   Becken
   11th June 2011, 16:18

   It looks like McLaren is little bit lost in their set up:

   Jenson:

   “… some area’s need to be improved on. But hopeful of pace.

   “…changes made overnight may not have been in the right direction so (we) will be studying the data and making changes…”

   “…Pirelli Tyre is an unknown in the race and so it could be a race decider…”
   1. 

      bosyber (@bosyber)
      11th June 2011, 17:13

      But Hamilton looked and sounded like he was pretty happy with his pace, while he is behind Button – I still think they didn’t do real low fuel runs. I hope so, and that they can get within .3s of Vettel.
4. 

   rfs
   11th June 2011, 16:21

   Will Buxton just said its going to rain heavily soon.
   1. 

      hoshi (@hoshi)
      11th June 2011, 16:26

      well, the virgins and HRT will be praying fro rain surely…their times look like on the edge of the 107%

      Keith tweeted that vettel’s slower tyre run would mean a 1.19.2 time to avoid 107%

      the slower HRT and virgin are outside that..
   2. 

      BasCB (@bascb)
      11th June 2011, 17:25

      Thanks for the update frs!
5. 

   VXR
   11th June 2011, 16:28

   As we have seen before, it’s possible that cars outside the 107% rule will be allowed to race anyway, if they have shown that they have put together some competitive lap times in the free practice sessions.
   1. 

      hoshi (@hoshi)
      11th June 2011, 16:32

      these timings are the best timings they have got so far in the 3 practices..

      last race..they said the best time set by them in free practice was within 107% time of Q1..

      that will not hold this time sadly..
      1. 

         Mike
         11th June 2011, 17:27

         But it wasn’t was it? I though HRT had a dreadful three practice sessions.
6. 

   supernicebob
   11th June 2011, 16:30

   Lots of red flags. I hope everyone will be ok.
7. 

   david
   11th June 2011, 16:40

   it`s not good for mclaren, i expect more from them, but it seems they compromise qualy… let`s what`s happens in the afternoon
   1. 

      Younger Hamii
      11th June 2011, 16:50

      Personally and Notably,McLaren’s Quali Pace is Unknown or Just not as good as they expected BUT if they did Compromise Qualifying then thats really Smart but risky.Canada is Unpredictable,Anything can Happen,Lots of Safety Car Periods are very Likely.

      Concluding that Qualifying doesnt really matter at Canada.
8. 

   Veteran
   11th June 2011, 16:52

   I hope the FP3 analysis will come up in time before qualifying. Always interesting to look into the difference in racepace
9. 

   Atticus
   11th June 2011, 17:01

   If it does rain, anyone fancies a spin below that bridge in the braking zone of Turn 9 & 10 where Alesi & Co. messed it up in an identical way in 1990? :D

   (And DC in 1995 too.)
10. 

    scrooks (@scrooks)
    11th June 2011, 17:17

    was vettels lap time a new lap record ? as it says the current lap record is 1:13.622 – R Barrichello (2004)

    or it it only in a race that counts for the lap record ?
    1. 

       BasCB (@bascb)
       11th June 2011, 17:32

       that is race lap time. Fastest lap is pole by Ralf Schumacher at 1:12.275 (time from memory, sorry if not exactly correct)
    2. 

       Eggry (@eggry)
       11th June 2011, 17:36

       Only in a race.
11. 

    AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
    11th June 2011, 17:25

    Poor, poor Webber! He must be so frustrated.

    Did anyone else hear the snippet from Ted Kravitz saying Red Bull only use a third of the KERS power that Ferrari and McLaren use?
    1. 

       Eggry (@eggry)
       11th June 2011, 17:48

       Well, I’ve heard many F1 men saying Redbull’s KERS is weaker than Ferrari and Mercedes’s but is really only a third of them? if it’s true it’s amazing(in terms of their overall performance) and disappointing(in terms of poor engineering and still quite unreliable).
       1. 

          AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
          11th June 2011, 20:01

          Well the way it was communicated would suggest it’s by design, not circumstance. Sort of harking back to the KERS of Red Bull theory back in Australia. The old weight/aero argument.

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