McLaren: Surprise win in Germany for Hamilton

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Hamilton’s win in Germany was against the run of play as McLaren did not expect to be competitive.

Lewis HamiltonJenson Button
Qualifying position27
Qualifying time comparison (Q3)1’30.134 (-1.154)1’31.288
Race position1
Pit stops31

McLaren drivers’ lap times throughout the race (in seconds):

Lewis Hamilton101.42598.84198.64198.32198.27698.04398.04398.02998.27898.21898.70999.66799.31298.77598.101100.509115.74597.32196.71896.9296.74996.6296.38596.58396.49396.38496.43796.63496.82896.62398.949112.83795.22495.11795.08395.06395.28795.36695.21395.45195.48695.29295.28195.83595.48395.41895.3395.28995.54295.5697.962112.86994.82194.6294.95294.78794.68294.73394.30294.872
Jenson Button107.853101.495100.18599.60399.73599.51899.66999.5999.24499.69899.96699.893100.06499.635101.734100.01598.94598.50898.65498.23498.34498.46998.6100.527114.60496.7697.20496.72197.13297.55397.74496.5496.25897.223103.598
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Nurburgring, 2011

Lewis Hamilton

Practice gave little indication of McLaren’s potential around the Nurburgring. Then in Q2 Hamilton suddenly appeared at the top of the times sheets.

He split the Red Bulls to start from the front row for the first time since the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Hamilton grabbed the lead at the start but couldn’t pull away from Mark Webber initially. On lap 11 he ran wide at the chicane and lost the lead to Webber – Hamilton was briefly heard telling his team not to communicate with him while he was fighting for position.

Hamilton hit back immediately, diving between Webber and the pit wall (with greater success than when he tried a similar move on his team mate in Canada). That put him back in the lead.

He fell to second through his first pit stop as Webber came in first. They held position during the second stint but during the next round of pit stops Hamilton emerged in front of the Red Bull once again.

Webber tried to pass Hamilton around the outside of turn two but the McLaren driver wasn’t having any of it, firmly pushing Webber towards the track’s boundaries.

Fortunately for Hamilton, Fernando Alonso didn’t have that move in his repertoire when he came out of pits in front of the McLaren on the very next lap. Hamilton used the ‘Webber line’ to great effect, taking the lead back.

Hamilton quickly pulled out a three-second lead over the next four laps. Although Alonso cut back into his lead as they prepared to make their final pit stops, he wasn’t able to get close enough to cause McLaren any problems during the final stint.

Hamilton admitted he was surprised by the team’s pace at the Nurburgring: “We didn’t really think we would be so fast and not quite sure what we’ve done, because we’ve not really brought much here.

“I don’t know if it’s the conditions. I think we were competitive in Montreal and in Monaco and in Valencia, in hot temperatures, we are less competitive.

“We obviously went to Silverstone with the rule changes which was a big problem for us, and then we come back here to where we were, really, in cool conditions.

“I think we’re there or thereabouts but I do still feel that the overall performance of the two guys here, particularly the Red Bulls’, is slightly better than ours.

“You can see this weekend, I was quickest in the first sector and the last sector, but we lose a lot in the middle sector, and that’s because we don’t have a DRS system as efficient as theirs, so I think that we will lose at least half of those four tenths in the middle sector.

“If we can improve in that area, then I think we could definitely eke ahead of them, so that’s what we need to work on.”

Lewis Hamilton 2011 form guide

Jenson Button

While Hamilton revelled in the MP4-26’s performance, Button did not. Having generally been closer to Hamilton in qualifying this year than last, he was over a second behind at the Nurburgring

It got worse at the start as Button had wheelspin at the start and lost three places, ending up stuck behind Vitaly Petrov.

He got past the Renault on lap 17 and ran until lap 24 on his first set of tyres.

This surely would have paved the way for Button to use a two-stop strategy to gain some places back, possibly putting him in contention with Felipe Massa and Sebastian Vettel.

But shortly after passing Adrian Sutil and Nico Rosberg he was called into the pits with an hydraulic problem.

“I’d just overtaken Nico for sixth when my power steering started to get heavy,” he said. “Soon after, we retired the car on safety grounds because we had a hydraulic issue.”

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    73 comments on “McLaren: Surprise win in Germany for Hamilton”

    1. I think that Button might have had a nice scrap with Vettel and Massa, if not for his power steering issues, shame.

      But Hamilton showed how great his driving is when things go right for him and he feels really on it. Great drive, and it will certainly boost him and the team for the next races.

      1. I think Button could have finished outside the top 5 but in the top 10, thus making me score a point in the Random Predictions Championship, but he retired :(

        1. He didn’t do it on purpose, Fixy.

      2. Scrap with vettel & massa??

        -Button couldnt even overtake petrov despite button having a quicker car, DRS & KERS! Button was stuck behind petrov for 20 laps..we saw button trying to lunge at petrov a number of times but then backed out (shows lack of cojones) – If that was Hamilton he wouldve taken petrov in his 1st attempt.
        Vettel may not be a great overtaker but he is a better overtaker than button and even HE struggled against massa.

        Call massa what you want (my name for him is doormat). He is compared to button alot (as they are number 2s) but one thing massa has over button is his ability to defend & fight (like in Aus 2011 against button), and theres no way button wouldve got past vettel & massa especially considering his slow pace) if he couldnt even pass petrov in 20 laps.
        Even against rosberg button couldnt pass him either and it was only down to nico who outbraked himself into turn 1 that allowed button to pass him.

        Button is way overated….he was a disaster in germany & silverstone and he was fortunate to retire in germany & silverstone as if he didnt He wouldntve had anywhere to hide (excuses for his rubbish pace).

        Lets look at Hamilton VS Button in germany:

        on Lap 29 (2 laps after button pit for fresh tyres) – Button was on fresh (options) soft tyres & set a lap time of: 1m37.2 secs.
        Hamilton’s laptime on the same lap (on soft tyres…12 laps older) set the laptime of: 1m36.6 secs!!!

        ..says it all really!

        1. Look how much Button Dropped Vitaly after he passed him. His car had mega pace in race trim, Button is fantastic at overtaking, he had just gotten past Rosberg… I disagree with you on this, i think Button would’ve finished 4th.

          I also disagree he is overrated. See Canadian replay for evidence. In Silverstone, Mclaren bungled the pitstop, in Germany the car failed. He might not be Hamilton fast but he isn’t normally far behind. If he can qualify properly, he would have much less work to do on the Sunday. Roll on Hungary…

          1. I think he had a poor weekend, but I don’t believe he is over-rated and he has shown that he can over-take when it is absolutely neccessary (Brazil 2009 anyone?). Button may not be an all-out attacker like Hamilton, but he is patient and waits for the right opportunity to pass. This puts pressure on his opponents and can push them into making a mistake (Rosberg, Germany 2011).

            His slower, smoother stlye does also maintain his tyres longer than others, so what he loses to Hamilton in pace, he makes up for by doing one less pitstop than him, usually they end up quite close.

            You may think he is over-rated, but he is a world champion, and you don’t become a world champion by being average. He comprehensively outclassed a vastly more experienced team-mate in Barrichello, who had an identical car to him, at the beginning of 2009. And did what he had to do to win his world championship.

            Vettel is now in the same position as Button was, he’s dominated the early part of the season, now, the rest of the field have caught up and are in cars as quick/quicker than his own. If he manages to maintain his advantage and win another title will you class him as over-rated? No? Didn’t think so.

            Hamilton and Button are different drivers, but both are race winners and world champions so they deserve to be on the same pedestal, despite what anyone says to the contrary.

            Vettel may not be a great overtaker but he is a better overtaker than button

            I respectfully disagree. Most of Vettels over-takes come from being in a vastly faster car then the driver in front or from being on vastly fresher tyres. Hamilton in China, Hamilton’s tyres had fallen off the Cliff, Button in Australia, Vettel had brand new tyres and Buttons were coming toward the end of their life. If he is behind a driver in a car with similar pace and tyres to his own, he can’t get past. Hamilton in Silverstone and Massa in Germany being the two most recent examples. And if he does go for the over-take, it usually ends up in some sort of collision. Sutil at Silverstone last year, Webber at Istanbul last year and Button at Spa last year all spring to mind.

    2. Great drive from a fantastic driver. Always exciting to watch!

      Shame about Button: I hear his set-up might have been for a wet race hence the ‘gap’ to Lewis. Nonetheless, looking forward to a better race for Button at Hungary; his 200th race.

      1. Oh please!
        If his setup was for a wet race, he would not be surprised at his lack of pace. Button said, ..”I am over a second slower than my team mate, something must be wrong somewhere”..
        If you had said, perhaps the new updates made the car more unsettled, then you could have had a much better excuse.

        1. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger. I am just relaying what I heard during the commentary.

      2. Oh please!
        If his setup was for a wet race, he would not be surprised at his lack of pace. Button said, ..”I am over a second slower than my team mate, something must be wrong somewhere”..
        If you had said, perhaps the new updates made the car more unsettled, then you could have had a much better excuse.

    3. Lewis passing Webber down pit straight showed the top speed advantage of the McLarens over the Red Bulls, whether it is aerodynamic drag due to the exceptional downforce designed into the RB7, or superior power from the Mercedes engine, it is a weakness that will cost the RB7 places whenever they are unable to make the most of their downforce/speed advantage in the corners to pull far enough ahead of the chasing car.

      1. Isn’t that caused by Red Bull’s gamble not to go for a full KERS system? If Webber’s worked at all at that moment.

        1. Choosing that line along the pit wall for the pass wasn’t down to Red Bull’s KERS though! Webber was clearly ready to block Hamilton on the other side.

      2. I think Hamilton got by Webber because he had a superior exit out of the final corner, and possibly some KERS left.

        1. Exactly. Webber was forced to take a very tight light into the straight. Hamilton was already on his tail at the beginning of the straight and with a much better Momentum.
          You could see Webber still had the pace to take back the position at the first corner, only Hamilton had already blocked that section of the track.

      3. That was very “Hamiltonesque”. We saw him making a similar move on Button back in Turkey 2010, when Jenson past him he positioned his car to fight back. When he feels that the other guy will pass he just finds a way to bounce back ASAP.

        That maneuver was a mix of quick decision-making and guts.

        1. It also displayed that secret ingredient to his brilliance: a touch of the crazy. Even the replay gives me goosebumps to see how he came roaring between Webber and the wall. It was not clear at all that Webber was going to stop moving over. The pit board guys had to leap away from the wall. I think most drivers would have hesitated or taken the outside in that situation; either choice would have meant losing the position.

    4. Lewis drove a blinder, and when he had Alonso & Webber breathing down his gearbox for most of the race, it was nice to see him keep calm when required. Whether it was the conditions or the car combined with Lewis’s talent, i dont know. Hungary will show where the car is.
      But Alonso hit the nail on the head post-race, he & Lewis need each other (and Webber too) to have any chance of catching Vettel in the WDC. And i very much do hope all 3 can, the WDC standings with Vettel that far away doesnt do justice to how cool this season has been for racing, and the German GP was one of the good ones (and not just because Lewis won).

      1. + 1.

        For me, winning Lewis, Alonso or Webber it’d still be The race of the year.

    5. This for me was one of Hamilton’s very best races, up with Spa 2008 and the awesome battle with Raikkonen and Silverstone 2008 where like Senna he blew away the entire field in the rain. In this race, though, it was the fact of competing with two equally determined rivals in virtually equal cars – and producing those two instant re-takes of position. Just exhilarating stuff.

      But again McLaren’s imperfections surfaced. Button being unable to challenge Vettel and Massa may have meant between 2 and 4 points being lost in the hunt for the WDC. And every one is pure gold right now.

      1. not to mention a possible 16-point swing in the constructors’

      2. Absolutely exhilarating….this race is exactly what many fans have been waiting and looking for. The fastest drivers, in the fastest cars, going at each other with no quarter given, in a fair and sporting manner.

        I would also rate Hamilton’s performance in this race up their with, Silverstone 2008 and Spa in the same year.

    6. Sometimes this season it has been easy to forget just why Hamilton is so highly rated as a racing driver, until yesterday’s performance. For once we saw the Lewis Hamilton of 2007/2008, the devil may care style of driving which was as exciting to watch as it was ballsy. I must be honest, I was getting sick of hearing Hamilton talking a good race but not driving one. He firmly altered that yesterday.
      He needs to put thoughts about winning the championship behind him and enjoy driving the car. He looked relaxed yesterday, indeed it was Vettel who appeared flustered and out of soughts.
      Importantly, I was impressed by the quality of the racing. Both Webber and Alonso deserve credit for their driving, as it was intense but was equally very clean.
      Yesterday showed everybody that Vettel is not unbeatable, and maybe still feeling the aftereffects of his loss at Silverstone. He still has the whip hand, but if Alonso/Webber and Hamilton can put him under pressure. Who knows?

      1. I think Hamilton had tried to be over cautious and that doesn’t work for him. He had tried to be way too cautious during the start of European GP at Valencia, and it didn’t work. He has gone back to his winning formula, and it pays dividends. His previous brush with accidents were not entirely his doing. Canada was just caused by the conditions, and is no different from the Heidfeld – Buemi incident at this race, only visibility was worse back then.

    7. Hats off to Hamilton. People could argue that his China win was down to superior strategy by Mclaren, but there is not doubt that he won this race all due to his racecraft and relentless pursuit.

      This race really highlighted the gulf in class between Jenson and Lewis as well. Hope Mclaren start focusing their efforts on their number #1 driver, if they want to stand any chance on winning the WDC this year.

      1. Hewis Lamilton
        25th July 2011, 17:52

        Do you mean the power steering issue that caused Buttons issues during the race?

        1. No.. I mean qualifying over a second quicker than your teammate, and then leading the race from the start while your teammate was fighting with the Renaults and Mercedes to stay in the points

      2. Agree 100%. Button should be given the role of Massa now(two DNF in two) if Mclaren is smart and have the little chance of winning Championship.
        Alonso’s confidence of challenging Vettel for championship after the race is partly because he knows his team mate will not disturb him. After the race he also said Mclaren should help him by having very compettive car and taking points off Vettel but not him. Mclaren should have same mentality, Button and others should take points off RBR drivers and not off Hamilton.

        1. I am a McLaren fan and I don’t agree that Button should be relegated to a number 2. He is a WDC. He deserves the same support from the team as Lewis as long as McLaren has the resources to support both of them.
          I think he does not need the nursemaid attitude he gets from MW. He can accept the fact that he is not as quick as Lewis but on any given day he can beat him (see Canada).
          I wish all teams took that attitude towards their drivers.

          1. I agree Mclaren has a great ethic regarding letting their drivers race, but there comes a point in time where you just have to put all your eggs in one basket to stand a chance.

            And do you honestly believe that Jenson Button is capable of winning another WDC?

            1. I believe he has the skills and desire to compete for it; I know he has won it before and I know when thing fall in place (albeit perfect) he can win.
              With all that in mind, he and Hamilton will have to stay at the top of their game to beat each and the other drivers on the grid to win WDC. A win-win situation for McLaren.

    8. Great race by Hamilton, Bad luck for Button. Things comes in three? I hope not…

      1. Well thats at least four times since he joined McLaren that he has had to retire through no fault of his own…

        1. 2009 Monaco was silly. unbelievably.

          1. 2010 Monaco you mean?

    9. I dont care what anyone say ,Lewis Hamilton is currently the best and most exciting driver in formula one today.if you tape and watch all his races again and again you will notice his bold and fearless attacking driving styles, and his willingness to take huge risks that other drivers cant or wont.He is the reason why formula one has become exciting to watch. Vettal is not the best, he is just in the best car.

      The reason i say this is because Vetal seems to only be good from the front, or when he is in pole postion.If he starts from about 4th of 5th in a race then he has real difficulty passing cars. Hamilton can do it from the back or front.Alonso is the next best driver to Hamilton.I willing to bet everything i have that if every driver had a red bull to drive all season that Hamilton would come out on top.He is a real class act

      1. I’d take you on that bet. Lewis can only win when the conditions suit him.

        1. You could say the same about Vettel… The conditions being he starts from the front row and doesn’t have to overtake cars of a similar pace to him, which he finds difficult.

        2. Out of interest, what conditions would you say suit Hamilton?

          We know the Mclaren doesn’t always go well in certain (hotter) conditions, but what about the driver? The only thing I can think of is if he’s in a bad place mentally – other than that, he has shown himself to be pretty versatile.

      2. Lewis also gets penalised heavily for his driving. There is fearless then just plain irresponsible.

    10. What a race by Lewis, I knew he had it in him to do it, just as everyone else propbably thought, the car didnt have it. Honest supprise that he won, thought that Alonso and webber had it won but apperntky not, Mclaren need to now move on from this and keep the improvments coming.

      1. They are praying for more cold or rainy days.

        1. They need to pray that their engineers in Woking come up with a car that works everywhere regardless of the conditions.

        2. RBR is praying for hot sundays… so it’s fair enough

    11. Dave Bloomfield
      25th July 2011, 18:24

      They needed LH to win – it’s contract time and he’s busting to leave with hissy fits etc… They badly want him to stay – sponsorship etc. I think McLaren have caved in and given him their best effort and car. JB recently hinted that the effort to give them two equal cars at times compromised their ability to win races… JB is not slow racing or mentally he knows what’s going on. Maybe he’s been ‘persuaded’ to go with it – hence his seeming acceptance of not fighting for the title this year. Not easy to swallow.

      1. Personal feeling or facts, Dave? If they are facts where did you get them from. Jenson and Hamilton are having a difficult time with the car this year so I haven’t seen anything that would indicate that Lewis is being given an advantage over Jenson.

    12. In the midst of all the excitement has the blue smoke from Hamilton’s car been accounted for?

      1. Hmm. I’d forgotten about that. I would have said ‘overfilled oil system’ but Martin B said it seemed to come from the left cylinder bank only.
        Could this be a weakness in the engine that requires a change for next weekend, or if unchanged could force a retirement?

    13. Hamilton popping up in Q2 is an interesting story because I heard Prew saying that Hamilton disputed McLaren’s practice of focusing on updates for future races on Fridays, instead of the one at hand, which is what they were doing in Germany.

      It’s interesting that Hamilton is now standing up to the engineers on development issues. Maybe he doesn’t have the experience to guide development like an Alonso, and maybe he is wrong, but someone has to tell Prew and Lowe that they are doing it wrong sometimes, becaue frequently their updates don’t deliver. Of course, Hamilton won the race. Which may only make this difference between Hamilton and the engineers more pitched now. But the fact that Button was nowhere may embolden Hamilton to say, I don’t care to run your Singapore in Hungary, have Button do it.

    14. Great drive from Hamilton, his best since 2007/8 in my opinion. Button had a dreadful qualifying, no denying it, but he had the potential to join the battle for 4th place, so his race pace wasn’t that terrible.

      However, all of this talk in some of the comments about Button being pushed down into a No 2 Massa role is nonsense. Yes, Hamilton is faster than Button, in general and yes, Button was nowhere compared to his team-mate this weekend, but Formula 1 is about scoring points: at the end of the day, the man with the most points wins the WDC, and two races ago, Button was ahead of Hamilton in the championship, until he had two DNFs, neither of which were his own fault in the slightest.

      Comparing Button and Massa is just absurd. Massa has less than half of the points of his team-mate, no comparison. Ferrari can afford to have a number two driver because their number one is the complete package. As long as Hamilton still has races like Malaysia, Monaco and Canada, Mclaren don’t have the same luxury and still need another driver capable of winning.

      I would also like to emphasise the fact that I am not claiming for one second that Button is faster or better than Hamilton, and that I am not denying that Lewis was unbelievable yesterday and is a phenomenal talent and very possibly the fastest and most exciting driver on the current grid. :)

      1. I am a 100% with you on that.

    15. chrisapparently (@)
      25th July 2011, 21:55

      Hamilton deservedly won this, his racing talent is getting its chance to shine once again. However; I look forward to seeing if this continues at Hungary. Will Vettel get back on form though?

    16. It annoys me that people think that Button should be relegated to a number two driver, just because he is slower on raw pace, which he admits to?

      No. He is a challenge for Hamilton, and the points often show it during the Championship year. As was said previously, he was ahead of Hamilton in points two races ago, and equal last race until he scored two DNFs in succession, both of which were not his fault.

      More to add to the point, I don’t remember when Jenson last scored a non-finish that was his fault. Nurburgring 2007 comes to mind? If so, that’s 4 years! He is clearly capable of winning Championships, but I think what hinders his chances are that he has bad luck in races (the last two, Seb crashing into him, Monaco 2010). Which if you think about it, would have probably made him equal to or ahead of Hamilton at the end of 2010 by my calculations. Or at least VERY close.

      Also, it’s difficult for McLaren because they have to design a car which fits both their drivers needs, and they have two very different styles. So more or less in times of desperation, they’d probably end up going for development which suits Hammy in my opinion.

      However, this is merely speculation. Although I do think that Jenson is more than a match for Hamilton during a Championship, and would be for Vettel as well, more so than Webber I think. He may struggle with Ferrari’s tyre warming issues, much like the Brawn in the second part of ’09 but that’s it.

      1. I’d just like to add that this doesn’t take away that I believe Hamilton did a fantastic job this weekend, and thoroughly deserved the win.

      2. Andy G (@toothpickbandit)
        26th July 2011, 17:26

        I agree with everything you said apart from Button being incredibly close to Hamilton if it wasn’t for bad luck last year.

        Button benefited consistently from Hamilton’s bad luck whereas Hamilton didn’t benefit once from Button’s.

        Race by race:

        AUS: Hamilton shagged by poor strategy and Webber taking him out, possibly costing him the win but let’s say it was just one place (HAM -2)

        ESP: Hamilton loses 2nd place due to blown tyre, Jenson benefits a place (HAM -22)

        MON: Jenson’s sidepod cover is left on, drops out having started 8th (HAM -18)

        HUN: Hamilton retires from 4th due to failed gearbox, Button moves up a place (HAM -32)

        BEL: Button retires from 2nd thanks to T-Bone move (HAM -14)

        SIN: Controversial, but I still think that it wasn’t Hamilton’s fault with Webber, and that he was unlucky to have broken his rear suspension when Webber was fine. Retires from 4th and Button moves up from 5th (HAM -28)

        JPN: Hamilton’s gearbox starts playing up has to give up 4th place to Button (HAM -32)

        So that’s 32 points lost to Button due to bad luck over last season. When you add that to the final margin of 26 points, you get a 58 point difference. More than 2 race wins.

        So not quite Alonso v Massa, but still a sizeable performance gap.

    17. @JamiesFranklinF1
      Thanks for your side note vote of confidence on Hamilton. More saying, I’m not saying “i’m not tryin to be rude….” we are know what follows. Or saying “with all due respect…..” anyone can fill in the blanks. seriously though, what Cooley have you been drinking with this your analysis?

    18. There is nothing to say about Hamilton but if Button can’t get on the podium in the next race then I think his WC fight is well over.

    19. Mr.Zing Zang
      26th July 2011, 3:19

      I think it is time for Button to Play number 2 if Mclaren want the best shot at winning the WDC and the WCC. It is so bloody obvious… look what happened last year.

      1. Button and Whitmarsh would never do that unless it was ‘mathematically’ impossible judging on last season. Seems very naive to me, Jenson isn’t seriously going to win the WDC this year surely.

        I’m not saying they shouldn’t race each other, but developments on the car should look to suit Hamilton over Button from here on in if they have any chance of catching Vettel.

        1. Dave Bloomfield
          26th July 2011, 14:32

          Did you counsel that when JB was ahead of LH? Thought not. Bias is distortion of reality. What is clear is that something iffy happened to the McLarens in Germany and it was not accidental. Is JB leaving? Or is LH threatening? I note Eddie Jordan hinted at car preparation…

          1. something iffy happened to the McLarens in Germany and it was not accidental

            Total fantasy.

          2. Where are getting this from Dave???

        2. I agree with you to some extent, but Jenson has to be happy with his set-up too and be able to take points off Vettel.

          The more cars can finish ahead of Vettel, the more chance India’s inaugural race has to be worth watching (i.e. the Championship wont be decided by then)

    20. Lewis deserved that one, outperforming the car all weekend. McLaren may step back next week at Hungary though.

    21. When you become to like someone then almost automatic dislike results in, regardless of factual aspects, to another one who is in competition against who you like.
      Like Hammy or not personally, I really enjoy his driving and agile movements. Well German GP seems one of his memorable wins but much will follow as far as he keeps going and concentrate on racing itself.
      I may like Vettel in his personality, but to be honest, not his driving style. As for Alonso, no question about his talent and capability in driving which I enjoy, but not his personal style as far as what we have been hearing from the past couple years are truly the case.
      Bottom line: Want to see more of dynamic and challenging drivings from the top player rather than pole and cruise to 1st. In this sense, hope McLaren and Ferrari to find lost 0.1-1% from RBR.

      1. Have to add one more line… esp re Alonso, we are already too much fed up with dirty politics and/or domination of resources to his advantage in the life. So no more of those sick stuff in the sports even thou it’s part of the life there too.

    22. Each of the top three teams have a natural number two driver. At this point of the season it’s fairly obvious. Is it better for these teams to keep their current line up so there’s no infighting within? If Vettel and Alonso were to get competition within their team, I think it would be bad for their career. Only Hamilton has shown the willingness to go up against and beat former world champions. But honestly how do you get 1-2 finishes if the other car has a number two driver?

    23. I hope Mike hangs it up after this season. He’s embarrassing anyone who supported him in his career. I can understand him not being as fast as the young guns. Unfortunately he’s had way too many incidents on the track that negate his experience. Maybe he could be the only driver with traction control as he had his whole career. Along with his handicapped parking space.

      1. Maybe he could be the only driver with traction control as he had his whole career.

        I’ve made the same point many times. His race pace is good once he gets the hang of the car, but in Qually he rarely seems to be at one with the car. Personally, I believe its old age meaning he can’t quite (and we’re talking hundredths of a second here) adapt to wheelspin and the limits of the car.

        Just my opinion though and I’d love him to prove us wrong and get on that podium soon!

    24. All this talk of Button being the No.2 driver seems a little futile to me. For it to be of any relevance, Button would need to be leading Hamilton in the race. This doesn’t really happen. I do agree though that if new parts start coming through and there’s only 1 available then Hamilton should get them. And i don’t see this as Button being a No.2 driver, it’s just the best way to allocate scarce resources.

    25. Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’30.134 (-1.154)

      In the dry. Ouch.

    26. Always a pleasure to see Hamilton and Alonso racing each other for a win. Such a shame that since 2007 we haven’t seen these two in a head-to-head championship battle. Hopefully they will be the protagonists in 2012.

    27. First of all such a disappointment for Button, 3rd time lucky hopefully in Hungary!

      Lewis had a brilliant drive and he was great to watch throughout. Really happy for him!

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