McLaren: Button made call to stay out during rain

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Jenson Button admitted he was never going to come in for intermediate tyres during the late shower in the Hungarian Grand Prix.

That decision won him the race. But Lewis Hamilton made the opposite call and finished off the podium having led most of the race.

Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button
Qualifying position 2 3
Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’19.978 (-0.046) 1’20.024
Race position 4 1
Laps 70/70 70/70
Pit stops 5 3

McLaren drivers’ lap times throughout the race (in seconds):

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70
Lewis Hamilton 115.242 109.61 107.854 105.095 103.736 102.214 101.287 100.444 100.554 100.695 99.754 101.129 119.225 91.634 89.474 88.893 89.054 88.264 88.215 87.851 88.236 87.897 88.291 88.475 89.75 91.241 104.019 86.121 87.188 86.592 87.163 87.33 87.144 86.63 86.485 86.517 86.687 87.185 88.632 90.963 102.874 85.288 84.987 85.57 85.877 86.646 99.177 89.256 87.024 93.307 100.448 96.598 108.771 95.005 105.658 86.758 95.072 85.538 83.876 83.905 83.661 83.706 87.616 84.999 84.801 84.288 84.498 84.032 84.007 84.662
Jenson Button 117.078 109.376 107.827 105.149 105.254 103.598 102.741 101.721 101.294 101.109 102.604 117.557 95.881 92.522 90.778 89.286 89.135 89.919 88.154 88.351 87.932 87.625 87.534 87.057 87.751 88.495 91.567 105.14 86.333 86.538 87.101 87.022 87.034 86.59 87.091 86.512 86.757 87.041 87.333 87.73 87.273 88.375 102.386 84.549 85.599 85.966 92.648 88.652 86.837 94.352 101.256 95.379 89.88 88.853 86.624 85.935 85.196 83.937 84.338 85.328 84.783 84.235 84.921 85.127 85.177 85.038 85.404 85.26 85.841 87.671

Lewis Hamilton

Hamilton was quickest in both of Friday’s sessions. But he struggled on Saturday morning, unable to get the car to turn in properly at turn one on the super-softs.

He switched brake material from Carbone Industrie to Brembo ahead of qualifying – as he had also done at the Nurburgring – and was instantly back on the pace.

So much so that he was the only driver to make it through Q2 without using a set of super-soft tyres, keeping a fresh set in hand for the race.

He was fastest at the start of Q1 but was pipped to pole position by Sebastian Vettel in the final shoot-out:

“At one stage during Q3 I was up,” said Hamilton, “I had half a tenth in reserve.

“But then I went a little bit wide, which triggered a big oversteer moment, and the result was that I lost that crucial bit of time.”

He didn’t get a good start on the damp side of the grid, and went side-by-side with his team mate into the first corner. The pair gave each other a lot of room, and Hamilton emerged in front.

He was instantly on Vettel’s tail for the lead and made several attempts to pass in the opening laps. Eventually he got down the inside of the Red Bull at turn two and through into the lead.

Within a lap he was 2.5 seconds ahead. By half-race distance Hamilton was seven seconds clear of his team mate, who had taken over from Vettel in second place.

His race began to unravel when he made his third pit stop on lap 40. While his team mate and the two Red Bulls opted for soft tyres, Hamilton took another set of super-softs.

His pace was slower than Button’s, suggesting he was trying to eke his tyres out to the end of the race. Given that Kamui Kobayashi abandoned a stint on super-softs after 25 laps, it’s hard to imagine Hamilton could have gone 30 without losing so much time he would have lost the lead.

In the end we never got to find out, as the rain came down and Hamilton pitted for intermediates. Two laps later he was back in to replace them with a set of soft slicks.

“We were having radio issues,” said Hamilton. “I could hear my engineers, they couldn’t hear me, so I was constantly asking them for information, but they couldn’t hear me. So it was a very difficult call for them.”

By this time he’d already had a spin at the chicane – “I’m disappointed in myself”, he admitted afterwards. The spin cost him the lead to Button but his spin-turn recovery was even more damaging,

The stewards determined he had forced Paul di Resta off the track during his hasty recovery. Hamilton apologised to Di Resta afterwards, and took his penalty three laps after his final pit stop.

He came out of the pits behind Webber, who overtook Massa on lap 57, Hamilton following him by.

Six laps later Webber and Hamilton reached a string of lapped cars. While Webber pulled out to pass Kamui Kobayashi on the way into turn 12, Hamilton swept around the pair of them to snatch fourth place.

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Jenson Button

Button’s best qualifying performance since Monaco put him third on the grid, less than five-hundredths of a second behind Hamilton.

He held fire at the start, content not to force the issue with his team mate. He switched to slicks a lap before Vettel and Hamilton, closing in on the pair of them, before taking second off Vettel on lap 14.

Button said afterwards he fancied his chances of winning had the race stayed dry. He was quicker than Hamilton at the end of stints and admitted he was “surprised” how early he was called in for his third stop, which was in reaction to Ferrari pitting Fernando Alonso early.

Now on softs, Hamilton on super-softs, Button took two seconds out of his team mate in three laps. On lap 47 the rain hit, Hamilton spun and Button was in the lead.

Button described what happened: “I came round the corner and saw Lewis facing the other way.

“I went to the inside and I was just about to overtake Adrian Sutil and had to hammer the brakes on, as it was a yellow flag. He had backed off to let me by, so I almost stopped the car, he almost stopped the car and Lewis was able to turn the car around and he was on my bumper before the next corner, so it made it very tricky.”

Four laps later, under pressure from Hamilton, Button slithered off at turn two and his team mate was back in the lead. Button retaliated on the pit straight, claiming his lead back, but once again Button ran wide at the second corner allowing Hamilton through again.

If either of them had been told to “maintain the gap” they must have developed selective deafness. But their precise, hard-but-fair racing exemplified why such orders are unnecessary.

Meanwhile the team were trying to decide whether to bring them in for intermediates. Webber had already done so, and Button explained both were told to come in for intermediates at the end of the lap.

“I didn’t answer back because I was never going to,” he said afterwards. As they neared the end of the lap Button was told to stay out while Hamilton came out: “They didn’t want to queue us,” Button added.

Button explained his decision to stay out, saying: “I was never really going to come in for inters anyway. I didn’t think it was the right choice personally.

“We weren’t going slowly enough, to start with. We were struggling on the tyres, it was difficult keeping the car on the circuit but we weren’t that slow, it wasn’t inter pace really.

“And when you put the inters on, you’ve got to put the dries back on as well, so you’ve got to stop twice. For me, it wasn’t the right decision.”

This was the call that won Button the race. As the track dried again he increased his lead over Vettel to almost ten seconds before backing off.

The timing of his win couldn’t have been better: five years to the race since his maiden F1 triumph, and in his 200th Grand Prix start.

“For some reason I like these conditions, don’t ask me why, but it worked out again,” he said, adding later, “but I would like to win one in the dry, please.”

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    116 comments on “McLaren: Button made call to stay out during rain”

    1. Button cant win a dry race, not really good as F1 follows the sunshine!

      1. I’ve seen him win dry races, you must be new to F1.

        1. He cant win dry races against Lewis Hamilton in pure pace. Thats it!

          1. I can’t take button as a true contender unlikley to be in the true fight.

            people who say he’s a rain master he hasn’t even won a wet race in his career yet and remember korea 2010 which was wet throughout the only cars he was able to beat was 2 HRT’s and a lotus

            Even in his 4 wins in wet/dry conditions just think back to the wet stage of the race and button wasn’t making progress or setting fastest laps only when the track was good for dry tyres he made progress often the first to do so because of his lack of pace

            1. Korea was different he was trying an experimental brake system for McLaren for this current year he kept locking the front tyres and in those conditions you need to feel the car.

        2. I think that should be amended to Button can’t win a dry race without a massive car advantage.

          2006 Hungary – Wet
          2009 won 6 of first 7 in the dominant Brawn and once they were caught up never won again
          2010 Australia – Wet (Lewis could have challenged if not won had it not been for a dodgy tyre call by the team)
          2010 China – Wet
          2011 Canada – Wet (Lewis was also faster here but came of worse after their coming together)
          2011 Hungary – Wet

          I still don’t understand why people think he’s so brilliant. He’s a nice enough guy but as a racing driver I really don’t see what all the fuss is about. He’s an alright driver who benefited from a rule change and as a consequence fould himself with a WDC and a McLaren seat. While I do believe you make your own luck and Jenson made the most of his, I honestly don’t think he’s in that top tier of drivers.

          On top of that, my opinion of JB hasn’t really been helped by his tenure with McLaren. The thing that rankles most is that as a Lewis fan on top of a few bad calls, sometimes McLaren seem obsessed with equality to his detriment. As JB is the beneficiary, being a Hamilton fan, that sometimes leads to a feeling antipathy towards him. Especially when they don’t have a winning car and IMO they should really put their weight behind one driver. Obviously I think Lewis would be the better bet and so it tends to grate when they don’t. As an F1 fan I much prefer seeing teammates battle but I’m a hyprocrite so when it adversely affects the driver I support it annoys me somewhat. Especially after what looks like 3 years without a title.

          Consequently when a driver who I didn’t think was anything special to begin with seems to benefit from the misfortunes of the driver I support, I don’t tend to hold him in the greatest esteem. That’s just me though.

          1. Button is in F1 and highly rated by the team principals (with the exception of Briatore perhaps) How many times do we have to say that Brawn compared him favourably to schumacher. But no, you know more apparently.

            Here is what Gil De Ferran had to say about him as quoted by James Allen on his site

            “It became apparent to me very quickly that Jenson’s skill was at a very high level looking at his data traces,” recalled De Ferran, once a champion driver himself in America, “There was never any exaggeration in his throttle, brake or steering, everything was done the precise amount. He would never over do it and come back,

            “It indicated tremendous amount of feel, I think a driver that has the level of feel and sensitivity in his hands and feet that Jenson has, is able to drive at a very high limit without ever making mistakes or overstepping the mark.”

            Pressed for examples, De Ferran remembered qualifying for the British Grand Prix 2005 in particular. Button qualified 3rd, but, as is sadly all too common in the sport, the brilliance of what he had achieved was appreciable only by the handful of people inside the team with access to the telemetry,

            “I remember looking at his data after qualifying and thinking, ‘Jesus, Christ!’ He had basically judged every corner to absolute perfection. That’s something the public doesn’t see; the tiny adjustments he made to find a whole new limit was very impressive to me. It was perfect – there was not one correction too many. It was all done with surgical precision; the throttle, brake and steering were all just perfect

            I have no qualms saying that Hamilton is one of the best two in F1 right now, alongside Alonso, but what is with the constant denail regarding Button.

            If were THAT lucky why bother with the F1 career, he only needs to spend a pound every now and then to win the national lottery.

            I get really sick of hearing luck luck luck.

            He’s highly rated, just not by you. And you really don’t matter because those that do, rate him, pay him and give him machinery capable of winning races.

            1. He’s good but not great. It’s just the way some people carry on like he’s up there with the best that annoys me, when he’s clearly not. In comparable cars history has shown he can only win when it’s wet and even then he’s not some infallible racing god as some seem to think. When he wins a wet race by over a minute he might be slightly more deserving of the kudos he gets but until then he’s a decent driver who seems to do quite well in changeable conditions, nothing more. He may well be a technically brilliant driver but in a dry race that simply doesn’t make up for his lack of pace.

            2. @TomD11 Well, prepare to be annoyed for quite some time, because Button is up there with the best. You may not like it, but that doesn’t change the facts. He’s keeping up with Lewis for the second season in the row and looks much better than Massa or Webber, when you compare them to their team mates.

              Basically it all depends how many drivers you want to count as “the best”. If you want to count only top 3, than sure, Button is out. However he’s definitely among the top 5 or 6. I don’t know about you, but I call it “up there”.

          2. The Sri Lankan
            2nd August 2011, 0:51

            i have to say that i dont rate Jensen at all. Malaysia 09 could have been Toyota’s first win and Glock was catching him with pace to spare. but jensen had to have a cry to get the race called off….

            1. Don’t be ridiculous – anyone who watched that race could see that it was completely impossible to continue. It was a monsoon!

            2. I hate to call bias as it is normally incredibly unfair and pig-headed to do so, but you ignoring all the facts of the race, ignoring that the cars were travelling at about 30 mph and still falling off the track, and that just about EVERY driver was ‘crying to get the race called off,’ and to then blame it solely on Jensen for scuppering the race of the most average team in F1 can’t be anything but.

          3. So for Jenson to be considered good enough he basically has to lap the entire field and win, just coming first isn’t good enough.

            Overtaking practically the entire field and forcing the ‘highly’ rated Vettel into and error on the last laps is just plain easy, I don’t know why everybody doesn’t do it.

            If Jenson is only good what does that make Heiki who rarely finished within 5 places of Lewis and didn’t even win a race in a year when the Mclaren was clearly a class car. Unlike this year where it’s not always even second best.

            No one is saying Button is one of the ‘greats’. I see more vitriol written about him and have not seen one single comment that elevates him to the status of Senna or Fangio other than what BRAWN said. And that was Brawn, you know, the guy who helped out MS.

            I’m not even a Lewis fan but I am not pathetic enough to belittle him for his errors and lack of judgement or call him lucky every time something goes his way. I big enough to acknowledge him for what he is, one of the best in F1 right now. A very entertaining driver.

            So without attemtping to elevate Button beyond a damned good racing driver I am just trying to redress teh balance for those unnecessarily negative people and haters who are no doubt simply jealous.

            1. I do have to say that for me, the praise heaped upon Button (and so far DiResta too) whenever possible by the BBC is a bit much at times when Hamilton gets praise only in a sort of “yeah we criticize, but look he came through and showed us an entertaining race again” like an apology. Brundle isn’t a fan of HAM, I am sure (but DC is usually quick to put some perspective to him).
              That doesn’t really make me rate Button higher.

              But I do think Button is a lot better than the 2007,8 Honda made him look, and it’s no accident he was the 2009 WDC. He is good in changeable conditions, and when he gets the car to his liking. He isn’t great when the car isn’t there (hm, like Trulli with the steering?). That’s where Alonso and Hamilton are beating him – ultimately it is race to race consistency despite the circumstances. That’s also where I see his changes of battling for the 2011 WDC be too slim.

            2. Don’t bother mate, they don’t understand it, it’s pure waste of time…
              Thanks for DeFerran’s quote…

          4. Selective amnesia always recalls in favour of personal bias which is probably why you neglect to mention that but for poor team strategy this year, Jenson could have won Monaco which was jolly sunny. The fact that Hamilton was out of position due to poor qualifying is irrelevant, you’ve got to roll with the dice you’re given.

            Also, JB would have won Monza last year if the team hadn’t fluffed his pit stop, Jenson comprehensively outperformed Lewis that weekend.

            I think most would agree that Hamilton is a touch quicker than Jenson on ultimate pace but Jenson keeps him more honest than most would and considering everybody expected Button to kill off his career by taking Hamilton on I think he’s doing great. He’s added 45% of his career wins to his tally whilst team mates with “the fastest driver in formula 1” which is no mean feat, ask Heiki Kovalainen.

            When you’re a little down on pace you have to make the difference up with your other attributes and Jenson can dig deep enough to stop Hamilton getting complacent. That said, Jenson was right there with Lewis on pace this weekend, less than a fag paper between them in qualifying and Jenson had the race pace to get the job done as it became clear from the first round of stops that Lewis was struggling towards the end of the stints.

            The moment Lewis put a 3rd set of super softs on with 30 laps to go he was never going to win, he still lacks the Prost like race brain of Button and Alonso. Admittedly, if he ever develops that aspect of his racing then god help the rest of them but until that happens it will remain fair to say that when the racing gets complicated Jenson is better whereas in perfect conditions Lewis is peerless on outright pace.

            1. Well said Coefficient.

      2. Scuderia Britalia Racing - Lucas "Mr. Veloce" - Yours With Wings
        1st August 2011, 20:15

        Australia ’09, Bahrain ’09, Spain ’09, Monaco ’09 and Turkey ’09. Yeh, they were soaking, nearly all had to be called off…


          NOT A WET RACE!!!!!

          get your facts right if you want to prove a point

          1. Lucas - Mr. Veloce of Britalia - Yours With Wings
            10th August 2011, 21:43

            Carl, if you were telling me, I was being sarcastic. I know they were all dry.

        2. In ’09 the only “full” non dry race was China, and it was dominated by a certain Vettel.


          also DRY!!!!!!

          so, none on your list were the least bit wet races. and Button won them all.

          I don’t know what kind of point you are trying to make but it’s ridiculous.

            1. errrrrr……lol . . . . . . sorry.

              I’m just used to very dense Button haters who’ll do anything to belittle him.

              I guess I was being a little too dense.

            2. that fella your arguing with did say, *either wet, or with a huge car advantage* And the first 7 races of 09 he did undeniably have a *huge car advantage*

            3. Car advantage or no car advantage youve stil; got to make it work and push in the stints and thats what he does. Could argue the same about Vettel this year and most of Schumachers titles…

            4. Lucas - Mr. Veloce of Britalia - Yours With Wings
              10th August 2011, 21:47

              Thanks Craig XD I am majorly laughing out loud now. Carl, I am one of Button’s biggest fans, I’d never be so majorly rude about him. I even met him.

          1. He was being sarcastic man…!!!! didn’t you find it suspicious that all of the races in his list were dry?.


            1. I saw red mist and went crazy!!!!

            2. and that one of the so called ‘wet’ races was Bahrain… Surely a dead giveaway! But on a serious note I agree with Carl: Button has more to him than tyre skills I mean He is a world champion after all!

          2. Good lord.

          3. @Mike-e Nothing like the huge car advantage Vettel has enjoyed for over two years.

            All WDC win in a car with an advantage. Yet Button and Lewis have won in cars that were not necessarily the best this and last year.

      3. The moist master

      4. We might have seen him do it here. Or maybe the cars just have too much grip currently for his skills to shine more than those of others in on a dry track that is not slippery from sand or something.

        1. He’s not any faster in wet (moist) conditions, it’s usually that he makes a stop less.

          1. Hmm Canada this year. More stops than most to say the least!!!

    2. If either of them had been told to “maintain the gap” they must have developed selective deafness.


    3. Every pundit seems to say the thing about Button in those conditions is that he can test the limits further than any other driver on the grid – he has the confidence to say “I can go into there at that speed and it’ll work” where another driver wouldn’t even consider it.

      And it’s the reason why he’s not beating Hamilton in the dry – he’s not taking the same risks, believing the car will stick and hold for him.

      Confidence, confidence, confidence. As we saw in Silverstone 2009 when it disappeared on him, or any time he’s got “massive understeer” in qualifying. Have the same mental attitude in the dry as you do in the damp, and Lewis has a real fight on his hands.

      1. I wonder what every happened to Lewis’ fabled ability in wet conditions? After Britain and Monaco in 2008 it seemed like he might be untouchable in the wet – but now it seems Button has Hamilton in the palm of his hand when it starts to rain. What’s going on?

        1. Lewis was dominating Button in the early stages, when the track was truly wet.

        2. That’s simply not true at all. It is Hamilton, if anything, who has Button in the palm of his hand during wet conditions. Hamilton was FLYING in the wet in Hungary (going way faster than Button), and was just as fast as Button in “mixed conditions” during the race, so I’m not at all sure what you’re talking about. Lewis was also faster than Button in Canada, but, as we know, when he tried to take advantage of that speed difference, he crashed into his teammate. And remember Spa last year? I recall Lewis doing quite well in mixed conditions there. Button, I’m afraid to say, really just has luck going with him in these circumstances. All of the races he’s won for McLaren in mixed conditions Lewis could have won as well, had it not been for a complete lack of luck on Hamilton’s part. In all of those races, Lewis was faster until something (either by his own doing or by his team’s strategy calls) happened that threw him out of contention.

          1. @mwoerne totally agree

          2. So Button wins because of Lewis bad luck AND because of his own good luck.

            I like your reasoning.

            1. Lee Harrison
              1st August 2011, 22:31

              So Hamilton spinning, re-passing Button then being caught and passed by Button again before Button slides off is bad luck??


          3. Lewis was very lucky to finish in Spa last year after he crashed off, didn’t you remember that? Button would have won that one if he wasn’t taken out!

            1. Spa 2010
              did you see the amount of cars he was holding up from behind well it was 2 red bulls and a renault you can’t say he would have won because you can’t tell what would have happened
              what happens, happens like me saying Hamilton 2010 world champion if his wheel didn’t fail with 2 laps to go in spain

              then he was able to say after the race
              “18 points lost could have been better”
              joke lol

          4. Jenson was caught behind Vettel and trying to make his tyres last by dropping out of the dirty air. Hamilton was flogging his horsey too hard and buggered his tyres up making him very slow at the end stints. They’re different racing philosophies, Hamilton wants to run and hide and defend from attacks when the tyres have gone off whereas Button likes to average the performance out over a stint and it works especially welll in those conditions. When the time came to get the hammer down, Jenson was quicker on the Softs than Lewis was on the Super softs which are supposed to be worth 8 tenths per lap. No biased argument stacks up very well against the facts, I think we have to give this one to Jenson especially as Hamilton made 4 mistakes during the race any one of which would have lost him the race but I guess he wanted to make damn sure he’d come 4th by taking a 3rd set of S/Softs, spinning on those S/Softs, doing a donut into oncoming traffic and then asking the team for inters when there was barely a drop of rain on the racing line. Yep, he was quick but his overall approach was shabby.

          5. Racing is not only driving fast. It includes having the ability to make the right calls in difficult conditinos. Button does that better than Lewis. It’s not “luck” that Button won several races in mixed conditions.
            Regardless what people think, Button did win several mixed conditions races and it usually turned out that he made race-winning call. If you don’t think that’s a true asset for a race driver, than I don’t think you fully appreciate what racing is all about.
            It’s not only going as fast as possible at all times.

        3. He was careless in Canada (although I still think Lewis retiring was more Button’s fault), but he was also moving up the field fairly quickly- the brief time he was in the race and pointing the right way, it looked like he was in a position to fight to win. And he was fast in Hungary too, but was unfortunate and mistaken in his decisions. Jenson seems to keep a cooler head in those conditions- he has great pace too, but unlike Hamilton he less regularly throws it away. I think in a purely wet race Hamilton would still have the ability to show his talent.

          1. Canada was never Buttons fault in a million years. Button took the racing line in order to defend it as any racing driver worth his salt is obliged to do. If you watch the in car footage of Hamilton’s approach on Button he gets his left wheels on the thin, soaking wet strip of grass that runs along side the pitwall. This typically makes Hamiltons car spear to the right making his front right quarter hit Button and his Left rear corner hit the pit wall which is what prevented him from continuing. Hamilton should have gone downt he outside into turn one, he had enough overspeed to have a clean shot at Button down there but he could wait and went for a gap that was not there by the time he arrived.

    4. He’d have still won even without the rain, considering LH needed to pit for tyres again.

      It’s impressive how hard he pushes and how calm he is, hardly putting a wheel at the wrong place.

      It’s weird because he excels when the track it’s tricky but when it really rains, he doesn’t particularly shine.

      1. Would he have though? I still don’t understand how Lewis lost the race. This isn’t me thinking Lewis can do no wrong, I was genuinely confused. When he put on the super-softs he should have been faster than Jenson but he wasn’t. That lack of pace relative to Jenson is what doesn’t make sense to me. If it was on purpose and Lewis was trying to make the tyres last to the end, surely he would have put on the softs. However, if it was out of Lewis’ hands, I can’t fathom why. I think Alonso also lost time and it doesn’t make sense to me. As I see it, track evolution would still favour the super-softs, as would lower temperatures and rain (and conditions didn’t seem like they would lead to higher degradation), so could someone please explain why that wasn’t the case.

        1. The call for super softs is what cost him the race. Yes, over one or two laps those tires are 0.5 – 1 second a lap faster, but they degrade so quickly that within 3-4 laps the softs were as fast, if not faster.

          Track evolution this year hasn’t been that pronounced and the lower temps contributed to higher wear as the tires were sliding more on the surface. Starsports did a good feature on the tires, showing that the front right took a battering on a lot of corners and especially turn 2 as the corner drops away and it was having to work especially hard to keep the car balanced. In the wet this was even more pronounced as the cars were struggling to hold on. I believe this is why the tire wear was high.

        2. We saw surprising pace from the harder compound in Nurburgring in the final stint. When the track rubbers in the compounds performances seem to converge a little so given the better durability of the harder compound, that seems to be the tyre to be on at the end of the race.

        3. Lewis did his fastest qualifying lap on the softs as opposed to the super softs. Maybe he hadn’t been paying proper attention to how the compounds perform on low fuel.

    5. I think it is mainly Button’s decisions in the wet that win him races not his superior driving which I don’t believe he possesses. Lewis Hamilton is a far superior driver, which is compliment indeed coming from a Ferrari fan. In normal race conditions Hamilton is much better, in qualifying he is also considerably better. I find Button very annoying to be honest, almost every qualifying session he has blamed his poor performance on a sudden loss of grip that has appeared since the morning. Utter rubbish. He is a mediocre driver, who is exceptional at making calls on tyres. I say they should get a decent driver to replace him and have as their official tyre advisor.

      1. Decent driver? Who are you going to suggest? Paul Di Resta? Ricciardo? They’d get stomped by Hamilton like Kovalainen was.

        You don’t win the championship by being a mediocre racer, not even in a Red Bull-like car, as Webber and Barrichello liked to prove. Not to mention Button would probably be ahead of Hamilton if wasn’t for Mclaren screwing up his last two races, and most of the paddock agrees he’s a very likeable guy.

        1. Hey! Both Mark and Rubens aren’t mediocre either!

      2. The average qualifying gap between Hamilton and Button is less than a tenth of a second so far this year. So what you’re saying is that Hamilton is less than a tenth faster than a ‘mediocre’ driver? It’s a wonder how such mediocre drivers win world championships isn’t it?

    6. I think Hamiltons penalty was a bit harsh from what I saw of it, he was sitting right in the middle of the track just around a corner, very dangerous place to be, I would have been in a hurry to get out of there if it had been me. Also the way he spun the car on its axis hardly moved its position on the track and DiResta would probably have had to go of track to miss him if he had not moved.Naturally I realise that the stewards had more information than me,but it still seemed harsh…”give a dog a bad name etc.”

    7. I love these team write ups.

      My mouth was bone dry when the two McLarens were trading punches after Hamilton’s spin. That was incredible stuff. I’m sure Whitmarsh was about to faint. How is it that the two McLarens together provide some of the best actual racing in F1? They should be allowed to have four cars.

      As far as Button saying he would have stayed out anyway, whatever. He didn’t have to make the choice. And he was just guessing just like everyone else and just like the pitwall. He had no idea if it was going to rain more. The irony of the brilliant decision he didn’t have to make was that Hamilton, who actually came in for the cancelled stop, was fitted with the tires the team had just decided neither car needed.

      Hats off to him for a great drive in messy conditions. But the whole issue of him making a brilliant choice and acutely measuring the conditions is apocryphal.

      My sense is that he prospers in these mixed conditions not because he makes genius tire choices and reads the race, but because he is extraordinarily disciplined in his driving and minimizes mistakes.

      1. he never actually said it was his call. On the interview on the bbc forum, he said earlier in the lap both drivers were told to come in and queue for inters. He said he never responded. On the second to last corner his team told him to stay out, which he said, he was planning to do anyway.

        So, yes, he was kinda lucky to make the right call. But the fact he thought about it and didn’t jump to conclusions is what won him the race, and he seems to be very good at that!

    8. Why do people consider Jenson an inferior driver, and don’t think that he’s capable of challenging Vettel for the Championship, when if his car or team hadn’t failed him, he’d be the closest driver to Vettel at the moment?

      Not to mention that he is the only driver, I believe, apart from the Red Bulls, that has yet to have a non-finish that was his own fault. (Unless of course you include Alonso, which is debatable as I believe it was a racing incident).

    9. It’s funny how people actually seem to think that driving in the dry is harder than driving in the wet. Funny how when it’s drivers like Schumacher, people think it’s a talent, yet when it’s Button, he’s just lucky or he’s no good in the dry.

      The simple fact is that Button drives differently than anyone else and recieves a huge amount of accolade from team prinicipals such as Witmarsh, Brawn (who likened him to Schumacher)Dave Richards and Gil De Ferran who worked with him at BAR Honda and recognized his unique talents and precision. But what do they know, they’re just wasting their money on him, after all he’s only got one WDC, he’s nobody.

      It’s too much too accept that Hamilton did not win yesterday, that Button did. Button made barely any mistakes. Is that luck? Hamilton made a race losing error at a point when Button had a pitstop over him anyway. Is that skill?

      I believe Hamilton is one of the most exciting and one of the best two racers in F1 today. But please. Give Button credit.

      He won the race on ability, the kind that often loses Lewis races.

    10. And what does that say about the Hamster?

    11. (To me at least) It is pretty obvious that queing in the pitlane would be detrimental to Button’s race, made the decision easy, if it was Button in front of Hamilton he would have pitted and Vettel would have won. Just that simple.

    12. MVEilenstein
      1st August 2011, 20:43

      He is a mediocre driver, who is exceptional at making calls on tyres.

      My sense is that he prospers in these mixed conditions not because he makes genius tire choices and reads the race, but because he is extraordinarily disciplined in his driving and minimizes mistakes.

      This is why I love F1 Fanatic. Two people watch the same race, and come away with diametrically opposed perspectives.

      1. While watching the race, I was also watching the live timing on

        Button was just as fast as Lewis and at the end of each tyre stint had started to reel Lewis in. BEFORE Lewis spun, Button was there around 4 seconds behind Lewis. Which is why he was able to capitalise on Lewis’s spin.

        By lap 45, on the softs he was running FASTER than Lewis on supersofts and as Button had the capacity to run to the end and Lewis did not, Button effectively had a pitstop over Lewis.

        Button deserved the race win as much as Lewis and more so because he actually won it.

        1. MVEilenstein
          1st August 2011, 20:54

          I don’t disagree. I’m just struck by the utter dichotomy of the two opinions.

          Bottom line: Button was leading when the checkered flag fell, which is really all that matters. The whithertos and whyfors ultimately mean nothing.

          1. I understood, I am equally amazed that people can make statements such as Button can only win races in the wet and then list what they consider to be several races that Button only won because it was wet when in fact not a single drop of rain fell in any of them.

            It’s facts versus prejudice that gets me. I am a huge fan of Button and always first to defend him. But I know Hamilton is better. I state facts. Button was faster at Hungary, Button was catching Lewis, the live timing on the FIA’s website does not lie. There must be a reason other than Button made a better tyre choice (also a racing skill). Button can manage his tyres, thinks about the WHOLE race and not just chasing down the hare in front and is a precision driver and generally does not destroy his tyres like other (rear out) drivers.

            1. I completely agree. I am a huge Button fan as well, but can also admit he’s not always the fastest driver on the track, as he too admits.

              However, the best drivers are the most complete drivers, not simply the fastest. Hamilton proved that on Sunday (even though Button was just as fast) and so did Alonso. You need a calm head, you need consistency, you obviously need to speed, you need to have the feel to make the right choices and you need to be able to manage your tyres.

              Button has all of these, but a little lack luster in raw pace from time to time. This is also why I believe Vettel is so far ahead at the moment.

              How many times do I have to mention that Jenson would be Vettel’s closest challenger had it not been for incidents not in his own control.

        2. did you see vettles fastest lap on live timming, he was 2 seconds faster where he cut corner somewhere on track

        3. I wasn’t following the live timing, but what I saw on screen over that stint was Hamilton build an 8s gap, then lose 4s prior to both cars pitting. That’s still 4s faster over the stint. He was also 8s up again very soon after the pit stop. If things had remained the same for the rest of the race, I think Hamilton had the measure of Button. Tire wear would have become less of a factor towards the end of the race.

          As it was, Hamilton’s pit crew probably made an error by going with a 3rd set of super softs. I say probably since before the last set of rain Hamilton was 8s ahead and pulling out a gap with at least 10 laps of tire life left. At 1s a lap, that would have given him a pit stop gap. As it was, the rain came, he slowed down and made a couple of mistakes.

          1. Button has been making one less stop than Hamilton recently, no reason to think he would have done different.

            As Lewis was getting 12 laps out of supersofts, by lap 25 when up spun he’d either have had to make 2 more stops to Buttons none or take on softs. It still would have been tocuh and go catching and repassing Button on old tyres. Not saying he couldn’t have done it.

    13. MVEilenstein
      1st August 2011, 20:45

      Sorry, should have been block quotes. Ah, you get the idea.

    14. You know the world has truly gone mad when a world champion (well-deserved IMO) wins yet another race in challenging conditions, with precision and great thinking, and the commenters STILL call him mediocre.

    15. I find it funny how each time hamilton has won, no one even mentions button in the same breath. But when Button wins, its always – ‘Button drove a great race and lewis is an idiot’.

      Fair play to Button, he won the race fair and square because he made the right choices in the rain, and had a very competitive pace. And if it rained every race, I’m sure Button would always be a front runner. The fact remains though, Hamilton will most often than not outpace and outrace Button fair and square regardless of the conditions.

      Hamilton has rarely been beaten by button simply because he wasnt as fast.

      Button deserves the credit for his wins no doubt, but please, don’t praise Jenson in order to spite Lewis. That Hamilton does not deserve.

      1. ‘Button drove a great race and lewis is an idiot’

        I don’t see anyone saying that except you. As a Button fan I am more than pleased to praise Lewis, because for sure it makes Button’s win sweeter. I concede that Lewis is a faster more exciting looking racer than Button, but on the race occasions Button gets it right it’s really nice.

        As far as I can see it’s the over sensitivity of the Hamilton fans who think any praise of Button is an automatic criticism of Lewis, because they find it difficult to accept that Button won when Lewis did not and that obviously under ‘normal’ circumstances Hamilton would have won and Button still has to prove himself blah blah blah. INCREDULOUS.

        Simple fact. Button won.

        I’ve only seen one occassion where someone one nearly won by accident and without deserving and that was Nelson Piquet Junior who mysteriously found himself leading an F1 race when the whole field pitted under safety car and he did not.

    16. I also saw Button closing in on Hamilton before that spin – not sure Button could have taken the race from HAM had it stayed dry, but it would certainly have been a close 1-2 if he hadn’t. Although, the fight might have tore up HAM’s tyres and put him behind Vettel anyway. Great to see a real fight between team mates!

    17. Hamilton had lost the race ever since Mclaren put him on softs. I wonder why Kieth failed to mention this? Missing pieces in this article.

      1. Edit: super softs.

      2. He did mention it:

        His pace was slower than Button’s, suggesting he was trying to eke his tyres out to the end of the race. Given that Kamui Kobayashi abandoned a stint on super-softs after 25 laps, it’s hard to imagine Hamilton could have gone 30 without losing so much time he would have lost the lead.

    18. So basically people think Lewis and ‘bad luck’ lost him the race. Am I reading this right?

      Ok, fine… Lets presume Lewis didn’t spin, and He didn’t pit for inters…

      The only way lewis would of won in this situation is if he pulled a gap out of approximately 20seconds or whatever a pitstop was, so he could come in, dump the supersofts he was on, and come out in front of JB after the stop.

      But the fact of the matter is, he wasn’t pulling away enough to make a pitstop, he wasn’t pulling away at all, he was being reeled in by JB and anyone who had live timing up could see JB was quicker in that stint, so lewis would of come out behind him, and Vettel anyway.

      Why are some fans so seemingly ignorant to the facts?

      I apologise if this makes no sense to read, its late, and im being grumpy.

      1. Makes perfect sense.

        You have to understand that because Hamilton is usually quicker than Button all the haters dismiss the fact that Jenson Button (WDC) can actually overtake his team mate when he has the pace!

        I rarely comment on this on going argument but I do find it hilarious how some people who probably have no driving talent at all sit at home every week attacking JB. Maybe they should take a closer look at what he has achieved from the age of 8 years old.. and that’s without the help of Ron Dennis.

      2. Mr.Zing Zang
        3rd August 2011, 1:04

        Nope, wrong.. It all started with the super softs on the 3rd stint.

    19. We all know Lewis is a top grade driver (apart from his rash moments), so it says all you need to know about Jensen’s ability that McLaren continue to let them race each other, side by side, wheel to wheel on the track – even after Canada. Neither Red Bull nor Ferrari trust the skills of their drivers enough allow them the opportunity to punt each other off.

      Am I biased? No, I’ll cheer a McLaren 1-2, in either order!

    20. Why has any discussion like have to spiral into Hamilton vs Button? Fed up. Button had the pace in that race come rain or shine. Hamilton drove amazingly all weekend too.

      Can’t we just admire both drivers for their own qualities? I’m sure you’d all enjoy the sport a lot more if you lot spent less time practising such childish hatred.

        1. MacademiaNut
          3rd August 2011, 2:50

          +1 I would rather see HAM in the car and BUT making the tire and strategy call at the pits. :) just kidding.

    21. Hamilton fans disregard the fact that Hamilton being quick and fun to watch, may not be the best driver.

      Everyone drives to win, not to be spectacular.
      Hamilton seems to push the limits harder than others. Sometimes it goes fine, and it looks sensational, but sometimes it doesn’t go your way, and you can’t call that bad luck.

      No one will knows if he would have pulled Vettel being both on the same risk levels. But Vettel has other objective in sight, and having opened a big gap in the standings, doesn’t need to take that many risks.

      Button is perhaps the other end of the spectrum. To me is the guy who drives the faster with a high safety margin. Is very rare to him to put a foot wrong. And having this judgement right is a great ability also.
      Perhaps was slower on the early stages, but his tyres were lasting longer (as it’s always the case), and was catching up.

      But what about Alonso? being on a worst car than him is only 1 point behind.

      To me, Vettel and Alonso are the best overall drivers of the field, followed by Hamilton, and Button. But for Hamilton trying to be up with those in front, he needs to push beyond his limits often.

      Don’t get me wrong. He is a great entry to the series, and one of the best drivers who adds spectacle. But being the best driver is not only that.

      1. I think Hamilton is definitely the fastest over one lap or many. He’s also the best overtaker in the business and knows how to defend – his race craft is excellent.

        The problems Hamilton has are:
        1. He does what the team wants without question (McLaren are prone to mistakes over the last few years for some reason)
        2. He struggles to maintain tyres – he likes to be all out all the time
        3. He WILL NOT be stuck behind someone or give up on a chase – sometimes leads to accidents/mistakes

        Button is fast in a good car and he has a steady head/doesn’t make many mistakes
        Problems with Button:
        1. He can’t cope with a car that isn’t doing exactly what he wants
        2. He doesn’t quite have the pace of Hamilton
        3. He isn’t quite as good at overtaking (although he can pull some great moves) he is a little cautious

        I think the two make an excellent pair in a team.

        Alonso is an excellent driver, fast consistent and cool headed he is an ‘old hand’

        As for Vettel – I can’t see him being ‘the best’ and I don’t understand anyone saying he is. He no doubt is fast and can keep pumping in consistent fast times in a race however:

        1. He’s not THAT much faster than Webber this year in ultimate pace (I think there is something that just doesn’t work for Mark this year – either tyres or car) and he certainly wasn’t last year either
        2. He likes to lead from the front – he tends to weaken when he is put under pressure or when he is not first.
        3. He is not a great overtaker – we’ve seen this time and again, he gets ‘stuck’
        4. He loses his head quite often when put under pressure – especially with team mates

        I think he LOOKS a lot calmer this year due to his huge advantage at the beginning of the year and now his big points advantage – he has however shown a few minor cracks of late as others are getting better… I think he’ll still maintain a huge advantage for the rest of the year though – watch for cracks next year…

        1. 3. He isn’t quite as good at overtaking (although he can pull some great moves) he is a little cautious

          With Jenson I don’t find myself wincing as he goes for an overtake though, and with Lewis lately I’m afraid I do :( However Lewis will be more likely to go for an overtake no matter how ambitious it is, which is a specific strength of his. Whether that alone makes him a better overtaker, I’m not sure.

          1. I think it’s a state of mind that he is improving. He had a few races where he was doing banzai moves, however I don’t think that you will see too much of it going forward (at least this year).

            He is usually more sensible that it looks but I think part of the problem is that he models himself on Senna, meaning that at least part of the mentality is – I’m coming through you either stay out of my way or there will be an accident – your choice.

          2. Lewis will definately take more risks and use more aggression to get the job done even if it doesnt look like it will be pulled off.

            Whereas Jenson is precise and will only go if he can see the gap and is positive he can pull it off but can use the same amount of aggression if called for. Theres no difference its just one looks better on tv and that unfortunately seems to speak volumes to some people.

    22. I hope you all have sky, or we won’t know who’s faster next year…

      It seems to me that Hammy is getting frustrated at the career he isn’t having…we’ve all heard the senna likening (yellow helmet etc) but the way things are going he’s hardly turning out to be a senna, (1 wdc by the skin of his teeth & is it 14 wins?) although a respectable record if things don’t really get going soon and I mean several seasons of dominance for LH then he may only be remembered as a Damon hill or villeneuve (J) – My point being I think LH is getting frustrated by the results he is getting and the time that is slipping by, he will always be remembered as a fast driver, but to be the best involves many more elements than speed alone.

      1. I think you are being a bit harsh – the results in themselves also (contrary to belief) do not necessarily tell the whole story. Schumacher holds pretty much every record in the book – does that mean he was definitely the best?

        Senna raced 11 seasons, finished 10 held 3 WDC titles and the titles coming in his 5th 7th and 8th seasons.

        Hamilton is in his 5th season and holds 1 championship. He has almost exactly half the amount of podiums in almost exactly half the amount of races his win rate is not too far off Senna’s and he hasn’t had a particularly good car for at least 2.3 seasons…

        If you want to go off just results, he’s doing a stand up job!

      2. 16

    23. It has to be up to the driver when to make the tyre call. Team can provide information such as “rain will last for x minutes” that could have effect on the driver, but the final call about the tyres should always be with the driver.

    24. A shame for Lewis to spin and make the wrong tyre choice, he had te best pace of all.

    25. There is a somewhat strange undertone to all of the Jenson vs Lewis comparisons. Jenson is a great driver, not need to explain. You don’t get to run in F1 for 11 years without being good. He has the benefit of experience on his side, not only from several teams, but from many races. Lewis on the other hand has a skill set that is still tied more closely to his carting days where he stayed in the mix and raced with the pack. Both drivers are on different career tracks, and both undoubtedly provide Mclaren with some balance and strength. Lewis will have many more years of racing, and he will hone hos craft. Jenson having run twice as many races should be smarter, and being 6 years older should be more mature. At least that is how you think it would work. There are some that suggest that in order to be successful Lewis has to be a better person than Jenson. He really only needs to race. And if he never wins another championship he will still walk away with more wins and money than many before and after him. Not a bad life at all.

    26. As far as the tire issue , whit marsh states in the press that the team made the decision on Hamiltons car. Many have stated that “lewis made the choice”. Well that would mean that the team was lying when they told Lewis that they could not hear him and they opted to put on the wrong tires intentionally. Or, Lewis lied on the team and when he said that they could not hear him, so, how did they know which tires he wanted on the car? This is not a big deal if you believe the team, but at least it stops all of the talk about Lewis lacking tire choice competence.

    27. It’s a bit of a tragedy Button retired from the last 2 races through no fault of his own, because although the WDC is all but won, he’d almost certainly be a comfortable second.

    28. MacademiaNut
      3rd August 2011, 2:47

      What cost Lewis the race was the tyre choice of super-soft during the third stint. That lost him the race. Everything else was just a domino effect of making a bad mistake seem worse: the spin, drive through penalty, the switch to intermediates. The fact that you have to make up a 19-second gap was what was forcing HAM to drive those tires out – probably what caused the spin. It is always easy to criticize looking back.

      The soft tire choice for the third stint was the right call – and that got Button the race. Staying out on the soft tires was a good call, but was switching to soft tires BUT’s call? or did the team do that after seeing WEB and VET on that strategy?

      1. Hamilton whas pitting early on every set actually, he couldn’t make any of them last which begs the quesion why did he choose a 3rd set of S/Softs instead of Softs?

        Because he sees himself in the same mould has Senna he innevitably tries to live up to that and I don’t think he can.

    29. A great call from Button. Lewis was just too hasty opting for the inters. I guess that’s the benefit of hindsight.

      It was fantastic watching them race.

      It wasn’t just the right call about tyres that won him the race. If I recall correctly Button never put the car in a spin.

    30. I don’t know why the intermediate choice is a big talking point, it was mclarens choice to put hamilton on the options that cost him the chance to win. He only switched to intermediates in the hope that it would rain heavy

      1. It was his own decision actually.

        1. Yes, it was. It could have gone either way and you can’t blame Hamilton for quick thinking.

    31. No doubt about it. Button would have won the race, wet or dry. Unless some think that Hamilton could do another 30 laps on tyres that were shot after 10?

      Hamilton saved his super-softs and by-golly he was determined to use them, but to no avail.

      So Button is just a few points behind Hamilton having suffered 3 mechanical failures (KERS in Spain, Wheel in Britain, Hydraulics in Germany). Nuff said.

    32. The fact remains, Mclaren screwed up Hamilton by putting him on the super softs when other drivers where going on the softs till the end of the race.
      Hamilton could never have chosen that strategy as a strategy is based on track condition.
      Secondly, the radio glitch meant the team couldn’t understand what he was saying, and assumed he chose the inters when he may have been asking if the weather was right for inters.
      Anyway, the inters didn’t screw up his race, it was the last soft option, because he was already going to be second at best.

      1. Mclaren screwed up Hamilton by putting him on the super softs when other drivers where going on the softs till the end of the race.

        Not everyone put on soft tyres to go to the end of the race. McLaren (Hamilton’s side of the garage) were of the opinion that he would not make even the soft tyre last long enough to get to the end of the race.

        Let’s stop blaming ‘McLaren’ like everyone thinks that Red Bull, Ferrari, and every other team make smarter decisions when under pressure.

        Paddy Lowe, McLaren:

        “It was an interesting race in that sense, we saw half the field gamble one way on that second lot of rain, and half the field the other way,” said Lowe.

        “Unfortunately, Lewis got the wrong end of that gamble. Thankfully we had a split strategy, you might say. It wasn’t deliberately done that way – each team (different sides of the garage) works independently in deciding what’s best for them.

        “Why didn’t Lewis win? I don’t know what order [of importance], but first off putting options instead of the prime, but he may not have made the prime work anyway, because of this front tyre thing.”

    33. rubber_side_down
      3rd August 2011, 16:53

      Oh my! So much trash and smash talk about Button. It must be summer break for y’all :).

      Given the field of drivers today that rank top 5-6, I would venture a guess that even Shumacher in his prime would barely meet the criteria for this bunch of drivers. Any of these guys who can win a F1 Grand Prix, rank very high with me on wet – dry – hot or cold tracks.

      Alonso and Hammy are probably at the top of the list. While they both attach and can race hard, Alonso by far knows how to bring the car home. Give them a car that can win and they will deliver.

      Vettle is phenominal and without a doubt he is a very technical driver like Button. His ability to take P1 sets up his race. His wheel to wheel racing is so – so. At this stage in his career I rank him equivalent to Button, but he is young. He is still developing his skills, and has a huge future to make him one of the best all time drivers.

      Button on the other hand is probably at his peak now, and his technical expertise shows. I doubt he will develop Hammy-like attacking skills now, as he has never shown those skills often. It’s not part of his persona.

      Mark and Phillipe are crash survivors, and that puts them in their own class. I would not like to have been in the crashes Mark has survived mentally. And yet here he is still putting it on the line. Mark deserves a WDC in his career, because in my book he is a top driver. He is metally tough and he puts his ‘all’ into his drives. He is also articulate far beyond his competitors, and won’t put up with ‘paddock politics’. I believe his piloting Jumbo’s will be so lack-lustre compared to F1, that he will return as a top pundit (and well deserved).

      Phillipe, I had written-off. But his mental toughness has reappeared thankfully, and he now seems to be able to have returned to form. He is a solid team player and is scoring good points regularly. He is definitely in the top 5-6 drivers this year.

      But then there is Rosburg and Schumacher, who would definitely be in the top 5-6 with a car that can pace with the best.

      And then there is Di Resta. Di-Resta-the-field better make way for another top driver.

      The field of drivers today have a far more difficult time to dominate this sport as Shui-the-king had in his prime.

      I have to give all these guys a hugh ‘high-five’ for putting it on the line. You and I think we would like that challenge, but the facts are they live it and we only view it.

    34. Out of the top three teams, you would have to say that Hamilton is once again struggling to dominate what many believe to be is a very over-rated driver. Let the over-rating continue IMO!

    35. Theres nothing to stop Jenson winning a dry race its just qualifying holds him back and usually he gets bottled up in traffic.

      He had the pace on Hamilton to do it in Hungary and he also could have done it in Italy in 2010. Remeber that? Jenson had to put up with the fast charging Alonso with a lower downforce configuration rear wing than Buttons and he still kept him behind for a long time and if McLaren got together a better strategy.

      There are also a number of occasions this year if he had qualified higher he could have been in contention he just has to get the 1 lap together something which Lewis can just blitz. However in the race there evenly matched its punch and counter punch in terms of laptimes.

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