In the round-up: GP2 champion Romain Grosjean wants “a real chance to prove my potential in F1.”
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Interview with Romain Grosjean (GP Update)
“The aim is clearly to have a race seat in Formula 1 in a good team. I want to have a real chance to prove my potential in F1.”
Scuderia Toro Rosso ownership (Joe Saward)
“We have heard suggestions that a new team factory is already under construction in the Middle East. Logically, if this is happening it will be at the Yas Island circuit and will have direct access to the facility. This would make sense as the team’s current facilities are split between the old factory in Faenza and a wind tunnel department in Bicester, England.”
Bruno Senna answers fans’ questions part one (Renault)
“I didn’t know the tyres and their behaviour. You can only get a feel for tyres after driving them, so it wasn’t easy to go into a dry race without having done any meaningful dry and high fuel running, but I was happy with my race pace and consistency!”
Damon Hill’s son signs lucrative Formula One sponsorship deal (Irish Independent)
“Hill, 20 is aiming to follow in the footsteps of his father Damon and grandfather Graham who were both Formula 1 world champions.”
Formula One Fantasy – Virgin’s Timo Glock (F1)
“Q: What innovations would you like to see in the future?
TG: Less rule changes!”
Virgin planning major Monza upgrade (Autosport)
“The revisions to the car, which had originally been pencilled in for the British Grand Prix but were dropped in the wake of its operational reshuffle, have been rescheduled for Monza because technical consultant Pat Symonds believes they will deliver a good step forward in pace.”
F1 Fanatic’s Keith Collantine on the Belgian Grand Prix (Formula 1 Fancast)
“I think it’s significant that [Red Bull] did so well on one of the most high-speed venues on the calendar. It shows that they’re shoring up their performance in areas where they’ve not been strongest.”
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Comment of the day
Magnificent Geoffrey praises the efficient job done by Spa’s marshals:
That video of the start from La Source really illustrates what a brilliant job the marshals do to help clear away debris after an incident.
It’s just the same at Melbourne. I’ve been lucky enough to sit in the turn one grandstands for the past few years and after every start the marshals all rush onto the track to clear away all the debris after the inevitable first-corner shunt. I remember they got a big cheer in 2008 and 2009. I hope they get to keep the bits of bodywork they pick up, they deserve some souvenirs.
Magnificent Geoffrey
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Zazeema weighs up the arguments for and against gravel and tarmac run-offs.
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On this day in F1
Michael Schumacher won the Belgian Grand Prix on this day ten years ago.
The race had to be stopped and restarted after this huge crash suffered by Luciano Burti in the left-hand kink before Blanchimont. The Prost driver survived the impact but did not return to F1:
snowman
2nd September 2011, 0:15
Imagine if Damon Hill’s son ends up racing against Schumacher!
James
2nd September 2011, 0:19
Highly unlikely. Josh Hill is a pretty talented driver, he was pretty good to watch in the Ginetta Juniors series. However, he has a lot of work to do before he can even sniff F1.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 1:09
It would be pretty awesome if he became World Champion, though – after all, it’s not often that you get three generations of racing driver, much less three generations of World Champions.
James
2nd September 2011, 1:11
Indeed, it would be an excellent story for the sport, which is why I wish Josh every success and hope he gets into F1 some day. If he’s going to do it, he’s gonna have to pull a lot out of the bag, both in terms of racing talent/ability and sponsership. He needs more sponsership for the next step on the ladder, hopefully his heritage can help him there, all he needs to do is ensure his tallent matches the history of his family name.
AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
2nd September 2011, 7:17
Regarding your last sentence, that’s an awful lot of weight to carry with you!
It would be brilliant for the sport.
Ben Needham (@ben-n)
2nd September 2011, 9:12
If we assume that Hill won’t be in Formula 1 by 2014, we can fairly safely say (I think) that Michael Schumacher won’t be around then (his contract finishes at the end of 2012, although he could extend…).
However, I have seen Josh Hill race at last years Formula Ford Festival at Brands Hatch last October (i’m going again this year, worth the trip!). Josh was spectacular, in my opinion far superior to the rest of the field, although that may be because I was looking out for him more than others.
He was disqualified from 1st place in the Semi-Final due to ignoring, or not seeing, a drive through penalty for jumping the start. He was allowed to start the final from the back of the grid, in my opinion, simply because of who his Dad is. He carved his way back through the field to finish 7th, in about 10 laps. He was genuinely spectacular and i’m sure he’ll make it to Formula 1 one day soon.
Lucas "Mr. Veloce"
2nd September 2011, 9:48
Michael Schumacher’s son Mick, Damon Hill’s son Josh and one of Rubens Barrichello’s sons, Eduardo or Fernando are all wanting to be like their dads.
Ben Needham (@ben-n)
2nd September 2011, 10:10
I’d forgotten about Mick. I don’t know if i’m alone, but I love it when old Formula One names reappear in the sport.
beneboy (@beneboy)
2nd September 2011, 15:08
To be honest I’m far less excited by it; it just makes me feel that they’ve got where they are due to their name and not their abilities.
If Damon had any other surname I’m not conviced he’d have made it into F1 when he did and while he was a good driver he never came close to Graham’s level of greatness. Jacques Villneuve would never have made it had he been Jacques Doe and the guy struggled to win a world championship in a car that was often 2 seconds a lap faster than everything else out there. The less said about Nelson Piquet jnr the better and the only legacy he had to beat was that of a cheat and one of the least deserving champions of all time.
I’d much rather see a genuinely talented driver from a family I’d never heard of getting a chance to compete in F1 than watch an average 2nd generation driver getting handed a seat in a big team because they happen to have a surname that we all recognise.
Ben Needham (@ben-n)
2nd September 2011, 15:44
I see your point of view, and to some extents agree with you. They may have an easier ride into the sport, but the pressure on them is far more intense than other drivers.
When Mick Schumacher goes Karting, I bet he gets more attention for finishing 10th than the winner does for finishing 1st. As you say, this is a blessing in that he gets alot more exposure to sponsors/teams etc, but can you imagine having that pressure on you at only 10/11/12/… years old. A massive responsibility. So I suppose I agree with your arguement, but just wish to point out that their are drawbacks.
I think it’s slightly harsh to call Nelson Piquet Sr “one of the least deserving champions of all time” – 3 WDC is no mean feat. Although not the outright fastest driver, he had a certain, though perhaps not popular, winning quality that allowed him to win those WDC’s and I don’t begrudge him it.
I also agree with your final statement that the fastest driver should rise to the top, regardless of surname. I just think that it would be nice if the two combined one day…
beneboy (@beneboy)
2nd September 2011, 16:03
Anyone can win when their chasis is underwieght and they’re using illegal fuel; to name but two of the many examples of cheating that lead to his first two WDC’s and his third came thanks to the Williams being light years ahead of every other car out there at the time.
I’m perfectly happy to stand by my statement that Nelson Piquet is one of the least deserving champions in the history of F1 and the only outstanding thing about his career was his ability to shout his mouth off about drivers who were far superior to him in every way.
matt90 (@matt90)
2nd September 2011, 15:09
It’s one of the reasons I like Senna so much.
Icthyes (@icthyes)
2nd September 2011, 9:57
I’ve heard mixed things about Josh but it would be brilliant to see him at least get to F1.
James
2nd September 2011, 0:18
10/10 for sportsmanship from Eddie Irvine there. Forgot about this incident and watching it back I clinch now. A shame that an F1 driver called time on his career as a result of this accident, although at the same time, we must be thankful that the driver was able to call time on his own career rather than having it called for him (in the sense of injury/death, rather than contractual arguements!).
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 7:54
Agree with that James. I forgot about it as well. Its very fortunate he survived that and I think he does some other racing, doesn’t he?
Ben Needham (@ben-n)
2nd September 2011, 9:14
http://journal.autosport.com/2009/week32/burti1.jpg
Have a look at that! That’s a picture of his helmet following the crash, quite a smash on the chin, miraculous that he survived with no head injury.
Thumbs up to Eddie Irvine, who was at no fault for the crash, but I’d like to think most drivers in his situation would’ve helped out.
TommyB (@tommyb89)
2nd September 2011, 0:20
Weirdly I was actually a fan of Burti during this time. I was just a kid and he had a funny name so I supported him, I later found out we shared the same Birthday.
This was probably the most worried I’ve ever been in an F1 race. I remember it being absolutely ages before anything was mentioned about his condition. The crash looked really really bad, just as bad as I remember.
Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey)
2nd September 2011, 9:41
I remember we’d gone up north to stay with relatives that weekend. We were supposed to go back that morning but I convinced the family to let us wait until after the race to go so I wouldn’t miss the Grand Prix.
When the crash happened, I thought it was an enormous accident. But I remember that it was hearing Brundle’s tone of voice becoming very solemn and concerned that got me the most worried. If Brundle thought this was a serious accident, you knew it was really, really bad. They had a helicopter shot from above of Burti slumped, obviously unconscious, in the cockpit not moving. That disturbed me. And then when the marshals finally got the driver out of the car and put up all of those screens, I assumed the worst.
I was convinced I was watching the aftermath of a fatal accident and it really messed me up. My naive 11 year old self had always thought that driver fatalities in Formula 1 was something that only ever happened in the olden days and just didn’t happen in the modern era. Thankfully, it turned out that Burti survived and everything was, comparatively, fine. Since then I’ve seen Kubica at Montreal ’07, Massa at Hungaroring ’09, and Perez at Monaco this year and they’ve all lived to race on. It’s an incredible testament to the modern safety standards in the sport that we can see such horrific accidents these days and always have this feeling that we’re going to see the drivers climb out relatively unharmed, because that’s what we’ve come to expect from this modern era.
Ben Needham (@ben-n)
2nd September 2011, 9:46
Absolutely right, the survival of the drivers you’ve mentioned (add to that Kovalainen (Spain ’08), Button (Monaco ’03) and maybe even Michael Schumacher (Britain ’99)) truly is testament to all the hard work put in by individual’s such as Sir Jackie Stewart and Max Mosley, as well as others and the sport collectively of course.
I hate to think what would have happened to these driver’s were these safety measures not in place.
Icthyes (@icthyes)
2nd September 2011, 14:22
The only person I ever worried about being dead was Schumacher in 1999. After that I became a lot more optimistic about drivers’ chances.
George (@george)
2nd September 2011, 19:10
That’s true, but you only have to see Henry Surtees’ accident to realise in the end it’s all down to chance. The strangest accident I remember in recent F1 was Timo at Suzuka when that suspension arm came through his cockpit, that accident didn’t look serious at all but it could have been pretty bad.
Craig Woollard (@craig-o)
2nd September 2011, 0:47
That was Schumacher’s 52nd win as well if I remember right!
Craig Woollard (@craig-o)
2nd September 2011, 0:48
Also, I think Grosjean’s right to want another shot at F1. Having Alonso as your teammate is easier said than done, especially if you’re being dragged in mid-season
David-A (@david-a)
2nd September 2011, 3:18
Indeed it was.
At Spa Michael had his debut in 1991, 1st win in 1994, win from lowest on the grid in 1995, record breaking 52nd win in 2001, record breaking 10th win of 2002 and 7th title in 2004.
David-A (@david-a)
2nd September 2011, 3:20
I mean “1st win in 1992”
TommyB (@tommyb89)
2nd September 2011, 11:03
And his best performance of his Mercedes comeback in 2011.
Spa really is a special place for Michael.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 1:03
I see the yearly rich-sheik-is-going-to-buy-Toro-Rosso rumour has started. Thanks for that, Joe …
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 7:58
He was not the first, it was in the spanish papers (the article the site you linked to below copied) and Joe only filled in some details to make more sense of it.
Nixon
2nd September 2011, 8:14
Get ready to see the first arabian Formula1 driver. I am sure that he will be a pay driver, and possibly a young shiekh.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 9:19
There’s not many drivers from the Middle East who would be eligible for a superlicence. Short of stunt-casting – like Laleh Seddigh, Iran’s answer to Danica Patrick – they’re not going to have much luck. Their best bet is probably Andreas Zuber, an Austrian-Emirati driver currently driving the Exim Bank China Corvette in the GT1 World Championship.
Besides, Force India is touted as India’s Formula 1 team, but they’ve never run an Indian driver. If anything, “Team UAE” will probably keep both Buemi and Alguersuari for the sake of continuity within the team.
snowman
2nd September 2011, 1:10
Just after seeing this, looks good if true http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/tv/2011/09/02/bbc-bosses-face-grilling-from-mps-over-controversial-formula-one-rights-sharing-deal-115875-23389474/
James
2nd September 2011, 1:14
Excellent news! Hopefully the MPs will give them hell.
Although I have little faith in the Lib/Con (or Condem) government, so I expect them to pushed aside, perhaps with a little cash in their back pocket to stop asking questions. This government has been a farce, roll on 2014/15 for the next election!
graham228221
2nd September 2011, 7:07
Yeah right, you’d never catch good old Labour being paid off so easily… oh wait.
I honestly doubt that a commons select committee will be able to do much, aside from make them feel a bit bad about it and possibly turn up any foul play (which I doubt there has been).
The government has never legislated for an entire sport to be required to be free to air and I sincerely doubt that they could do this time – to be honest, I suspect everyone is rather over-egging F1’s popularity here.
Ady
2nd September 2011, 8:36
However they can declare that the deal is not in the interest of the license fee payer, and therefore make the BBC pull out of the deal. Allowing other terrestrial broadcasters to be considered.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 8:40
Let’s not get bogged down in a comparison of questionable value. No, there is no protection for “all football matches” to be shown on free-to-air television. Nor is anyone seriously suggesting that “all motor racing” should be.
But when the likes of the Olympics, World Cup and European football championship, Grand National, FA Cup Final, Wimbledon, The Open and others enjoy protected status, extending the same for 20 F1 races (40 hours at most) which would attract larger audiences than several of these events, is not an unreasonable ask.
MaroonJack (@maroonjack)
2nd September 2011, 9:25
I just saw this. What do you guys think?
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 9:36
It’s reported in this week’s Autosport, which may be where they have got the story from (there’s no source cited). As the final line notes, the BBC aren’t confirming things one way or the other.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 9:49
I believe something like this was mentioned when the deal first broke cover.
However, in the race to express rage and dissatisfaction, nobody bothered to read it.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 9:53
No-one took the claim at face value because it was contradicted by Ecclestone at the time, as described in The Guardian’s story.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 10:34
Well, I’m seeing a lot of similarities between this and the Bahrain farce. It was reported very early on that the WMSC was in the wrong because they had not approached the teams to reinstate the Bahrain Grand Prix. But the reinstatement was a matter for FOTA to discuss, and FOTA had not convened because the WMSC had not sent them the reinstatement proposal. FOTA could not discuss it, because before the WMSC verdict, they had nothing to discuss. However, everyone completely jumped the gun.
I’m seeing something similar here – not all of the details came to light to begin with, and yet everyone decided to dissect what information was known at the time and pre-judge it. Whatever counter-arguments were made got lost in the number of people inundating discussing threads across the internet.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 11:39
You’re perfectly entitled to reserve judgement if you wish, but that doesn’t give you the right to condescendingly dismiss everyone else’s point of view.
You refer to people making judgements based on the facts available as if they’re doing something unreasonable, when clearly they aren’t.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 8:01
I get what you are saying, but if its brought up, at least there will be some more questions asked (and others raised?)!
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 6:18
The Mirror is a tabloid. Do you know why it’s called “The Mirror”? It because when people look at it, they see exactly what they want to see. In other words, the paper is telling people what they want to hear – they want answers over the Sky-BBC deal, so The Mirror is telling people they will get said answers.
matt90 (@matt90)
2nd September 2011, 15:27
I’m pretty a lot of the time a Mirror doesn’t show you exactly what you want to see…
damonsmedley (@damonsmedley)
2nd September 2011, 15:30
That’s exactly why they called it that, isn’t it?
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 2:41
But where, Romain? If Kubica comes back, the Renault seats are taken. If Kubica doesn’t come back and Senna impresses, the Renault seats are probably still going to be taken. Who else has a vacancy? The only ones I can think of are a) Williams, if Barrichello leaves, b) Team Fernandes if Jarno Trulli leaves, or c) Force India if Paul di Resta joins Mercedes or Adrian Sutil is let go.
Journeyer
2nd September 2011, 3:48
It looks like Sutil and Senna are being considered to replace Rubens at Williams.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94156
If Sutil gets it, I’m sure Hulk will replace him and team up with di Resta (it doesn’t look like Schumi is leaving after all). If Senna gets it, it makes things a lot easier for Genii, as they can slot Grosjean in alongside Petrov.
Sadly, I have serious doubts about Kubica returning now.
TheBrav3
2nd September 2011, 4:45
Can’t see sutil to keen to join williams unless he’s already been given his marching orders from FI. It would be a massive step back if this years form is anything to go by and that is all there is to go by.
Senna I think if he was offered a full drive with williams next year would be happy to take that. Considering he doesn’t even know if he will be driving after monza. At this very moment in time it looks like a good deal because bobby k will almost definitely be back even if he is then dropped which i hope is not the case.
Problem with that is that his bench mark would then become maldonado, Senna could beat him all up and down the paddock and still not gain any respect for that.
PieLighter (@pielighter)
2nd September 2011, 6:06
And with Williams in their current state, the deal would be a case of “well it’s Williams or nothing”.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 8:06
But Williams surely seems a better deal than Virgin or HRT at the moment (with Lotus filled by its current drivers).
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 8:31
Trulli isn’t confirmed for 2012 yet.
And Pat Symonds’ decision to go ahead with the Virgin upgrade could swing the balance for them.
Hamish
2nd September 2011, 9:01
Trulli mentioned overnight a contract for 2012 has been signed.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 9:15
Got a link?
Hamish
2nd September 2011, 22:05
http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/7140266/Trulli-s-contract-for-2012-fixed-
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 6:24
I could see van der Garde going to Williams. If they need a fast young driver who is flush with cash, he could be an option. Especially if they’re at the back of the midfield and forced to run young drivers that the front-runners will assess, a la Sauber.
Kubica’s return will depend upon his ability to race. If he’s fit and able, why would Renault leave him by the wayside?
Of course, the risk they run is that they’ll put him in the car during the winter testing season and use that to make the decision about whether he will be able to race. That’s a problem because if they decide against it, whoever they ultimately do take will lose valuable track time in the car.
However, one possible way around this would be to put Kubica in the car for the young driver tests, which are usually as long as one of the off-season group tests. I don’t know how they’d do it, but the FIA might let them if they are assessing Kubica.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 8:09
I tink Pic might be in the picture at Williams as well. He has just about as much money at hand as VdGarde and his family bussiness Renault connections might swing the balance.
As for Kubica, I think Journeyer referred to exactly what you write, the question of him being fit to race.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 8:45
Maybe, but van der Garde also has connections to McGregor, one of Williams’ former sponsors.
AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner)
2nd September 2011, 7:22
Admittedly it isn’t looking good for him. There isn’t exactly a shortage of drivers or reserve drivers who’ve had a stab in an F1 car this year. Could Grosjean be forgotten in all this? I hope not, he deserves another shot.
TED BELL
2nd September 2011, 7:55
Grosjean has a healthy list of racing accomplishments now, more so than many of the current young drivers, Hope he doesn’t get lost in a lower level team. The right situation for him may yield promising results. Going to Williams would be the wrong direction, the team is a mess. Senna at Renault has shown what a better car can do for any good driver who otherwise would be swimming at the botton of the Grand Prix pool. Someone should step up and role the dice on Grosjean.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 8:04
I don’t think Senna is really in sight at Renault (I think he mentioned of talking with Williams, amongst others) to replace Kubica if needed.
Grosjean was put at Dams to help in leading a midfield team to get to the front of the field and win (a bit like Glock did with I-Sport), so I would think Gravity now expect him to be able to do that kind of job for a team, something they are now saying is exactly what Heidfeld did not give them.
1 of the 3
2nd September 2011, 8:08
Am curious to hear more thoughts on Sutil. Is there really any good reason at this point why FI should let him go? Sutil really is bringing home the points for FI.
And why if he could, would he want to go to Williams?
I suppose my point is that we seem to have moved on from the Sutil can’t match his rookie team mate talk. So why not Sutil and di Resta can be the strongest combo in the mid field for 2012 and take FI to the next level.
In any case, I think it would be awesome if FI really started coming on strong…
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 8:52
If he’s up for a contract renewal and Williams make him a better offer, Force India might have to let him go.
He might be offered better conditions, his sponsor – Medion – might find a Williams deal more appealing than the current one with Force India, and Williams have had technical shake-up, releasing Sam Michael and bringing someone new in.
Plus, it’s Williams. They’re arguably the most famous Formula 1 team outside Ferrari and McLaren.
1 of the 3
2nd September 2011, 10:30
thanks for the reply – very valid points you are making. Let’s see how it pans out…
AlonsoWDC
2nd September 2011, 15:10
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Renault has already confirmed that Kubica and Petrov will be their two race drivers in 2012.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 15:30
Yes, they have – but there’s still a chance that Kubica will not race again. A lot depends on his therapy. If he cannot race in 2012, Renault will need to start considering other options. The problem is that if they leave it too long, all the good options will be taken. But if they act too soon, they might sign someone up when Kubica can still race.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 7:28
This article claims the Toro Rosso-IPIC deal will see the team sporting an entirely new livery for Monza. I have no idea how credible the website is, but we’ll find out soon enough.
bosyber (@bosyber)
2nd September 2011, 9:05
And that is for me why this is good news, finally a new, and even better, not just Red Bull, livery for them.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 9:14
Well, that remins to be seen. I’ve never actually heard of that website before, and the only reason why I’m willing to pay it lip service is because of the existing connection between Toro Rosso and IPIC through IPIC’s subsidiary, Nova Chemicals.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 7:43
Funny how that video of the Burti crash showed a Gilette ad first (for me it did). I remember reading yesterday (on Formula1Blog.com) how you can now see Gilette branding on the front wing of the Renaults, hinting this might be playing in the backgroung of getting Senna in the car as well.
BasCB (@bascb)
2nd September 2011, 8:17
pictures of that branding replacing the Lotus branding on the front wing at on Sunday in Belgium
Bruno – broken wing he started with
Vitaly
Funny the pictures of FP shows the Lotus branding was still on the cars there.
bosyber (@bosyber)
2nd September 2011, 9:31
Time needed to let the ink dry?
bosyber (@bosyber)
2nd September 2011, 9:16
Reading that Virgin finally are going to get another update in Monza made me happy for them, they could really use some extras. But reading the article, I came across:
So that says: we didn’t trust the results from Wirth any more, and it has taken Pat four months to get up to speed and find out they would have given us a good bit of speed, or maybe a lag of drag, which might have helped us get some good finishes had we just tried them out.
On the one hand, I suppose it is good for their future that the team running the car has an understanding of, and confidence in the new upadtes they get on the car, but with the battle for last being fought so closely on finishing positions, I wonder if they didn’t take to much time.
I suppose it didn’t matter because they saw no hope of doing better than Lotus, and had Symonds rather focus on next years car first.
Avada Kedavra
2nd September 2011, 10:21
New Toro Rosso ovarols from Monza-. Whole new livery next year, after signing two new sponsers! Didn’t see that coming.
uuib
2nd September 2011, 10:37
I know, great news, shame about bad race but very strong perfomance.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 10:46
Have you got a link to go with that? Or am I just not reading the Joe’s Award piece right?
Avada Kedavra
2nd September 2011, 12:19
newsonf1.com
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 12:20
Anything to suggest it’s reliable?
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 14:03
I’m not seeing much. Here is the article in question, which doesn’t really elaborate on anything, or offer new information that others have no reported. Most of the articles seem to be traced back to AS.
Avada Kedavra
2nd September 2011, 14:25
I got to that website daily and 90% of all reports are credible, thats were I found out about the alternation between France and Belgium before it was initially released if you remeber so Keith!!!
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 14:37
Well, please don’t take it the wrong way if I’m still sceptical. I’m not questioning you or the website, but the “Toro Rosso for sale” rumours come up every year like clockwork. You can pretty much set your watch by them, if watches showed years rather than hours. Plus, the source of all this is AS, which I’ve learned not to trust ever since their attempts to get Alonso a seat at Ferrari, as if they could influence Ferrari’s driver lineup choices.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 14:41
I also found this Twitter update. I’ve never heard of BadgerGP before now, but this story seems to be gaining some traction.
Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys)
2nd September 2011, 15:22
Autosport just published this:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94183
dave
2nd September 2011, 10:22
Re: Josh Hill, It’s good to see that a 20 yr old with a best result of 4th, lying 5th in the 2011 formula renault uk championship is getting all the attention, when a 17 yr old is leading the championship with 10 wins…
PieLighter (@pielighter)
2nd September 2011, 11:19
This might soften the blow of the Sky deal:
http://pitpass.com/44586-BBC-to-show-delayed-coverage-of-Sky-races
On the red button, which in theory means that they will be on iPlayer as well. the free practice sessions are on the red button and they end up on iPlayer.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
2nd September 2011, 11:42
See the discussion above, this is far from set in stone:
https://www.racefans.net/2011/09/02/29/#comment-808386
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4th September 2011, 12:46
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