Double DRS boosts Red Bull’s speed at Suzuka

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In the round-up: A new Double DRS upgrade is believed to be behind Red Bull’s performance boost at Suzuka.


Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

Red Bull RB8 – ‘double-DRS’ device (F1)

“Believed to have been introduced in Singapore, but only noticed this weekend in Suzuka, Adrian Newey’s new solution is activated by the movement of the flap when the DRS… is operated and has been spotted thanks to the bigger surface of bodywork used to fix the flap.”

Felipe Massa expected to stay at Ferrari for 2013 (BBC)

“Ferrari are expected to retain Felipe Massa for 2013 following his second place in the Japanese Grand Prix.”

Grosjean ‘moving on’ from new shunt (Autosport)

Mark [Webber] came to see me after the race and was obviously not happy, but I apologised and we have to move on.”

Hamilton criticises ‘crazy’ Perez (Reuters)

“‘I thought that he was going to do a crazy manoeuvre, which he did,’ said Hamilton, who finished fifth, of the first attempt. ‘Then (later) when he was behind me I saw it coming again so I moved a little to the inside, thinking that he was going to go up the inside so he couldn’t get by, and he just flew down the outside of me. So very interesting…'”

Title a long way off – Vettel (ESPN)

“We don’t know what will happen at the next race. It’s good to take the points today and let’s try to take the points at the next race. It’s a long season with some crazy racing.”

Sky Sports Formula 1 2012 – Tooned – Episode 7: The Rising Son (YouTube)

F1: Di Resta Ready For Upward Move (Speed)

“There’s always pressure on. It’s been a good in-team battle all year. At the end of the day, they’ll make decisions for reasons which maybe you won’t fully understand, reasons that might lead other ways.”

The subtle art of joining a new team (The Independent)

David Tremayne: “If Button was minded to, and if Hamilton was inclined to listen, the older Briton could give him some valuable advice on how to fit into a new milieu.”


Comment of the day

Sympathhy for Romain Grosjean was in short supply yesterday so here’s some from @Yobo01:

I’m really sorry for Grosjean. He is throwing away his career. He is very, very fast, but he keeps doing stupid mistakes. I watched the interview and he was clearly sorry, he clearly didn’t want to take any risks. I think that he gets confused too much. It’s like he can’t think about two things at the same time at the start. Today he was focused on Perez but he seemed to forget that there were cars everywhere.

I don’t know, I hope that he will learn eventually. It would be a shame if he doesn’t.

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99 comments on “Double DRS boosts Red Bull’s speed at Suzuka”

  1. Lewis seems to be getting him self in some trouble again.

    Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn’t.— Lewis Hamilton (@LewisHamilton) October 7, 2012

    1. Yes, I guess his phone must not have been working when this all came up about a week ago, and Jenson Button clarified that he’d never been following him in the first place!

      1. Lewis’ behavior is sad…. any driver with proper mind management wouldn’t react this way

        1. mind management

          what’s that?

          1. It’s a Jackie Stewartism.

    2. Stephen Craig
      8th October 2012, 0:16

      Er, how will that get him into trouble. They’re not at school.

      1. Certainly is acting like it though now isn’t it?

    3. JB can’t bear to see any more team telemetry?

      On a serious note, if what Lewis says is true, that’s a little lacking in class from Jenson. Mind you, LH starting a potential war of words with his teammate on twitter is not so smart either.

      That’s the problem with twitter. It allows you to broadcast to the world the first thing that pops into your head. Which in Hamilton’s case, frequently seems to be something he’d be better off keeping to himself.

      1. @tdog Perhaps the brain dump broadcast issue is precisely why JB didn’t follow LH in the first place? Why is it lacking in class? Is the internet generation composed entirely of lemmings compelled to follow each other? I ask merely because I’m old.

      2. …and that’s not proper “mind management”.

    4. Walao wei, it’s just Twitter Lewis! Don’t take social media developments too seriously :)

    5. And the retraction…

      My bad, just found out Jenson never followed me. Don’t blame him! Need to be on Twitter more!— Lewis Hamilton (@LewisHamilton) October 7, 2012

      1. Ah, that (the unfollowing) did seem like a very un-Jenson-like thing to do.

        Need to be on twitter less, LH!

      2. the retraction is the funny bit!!

      3. Don’t blame him! Need to be on Twitter more!— Lewis Hamilton

        No, Lewis, I think you need to be on Twitter less.


    6. jenson never followed him to start with.

      1. But he follows Perez, de la Rosa, Rosberg, Webber, Paffett, and a bunch of other people connected to McLaren….

        1. Maybe since he sees Hamilton almost every day, he doesn’t need to follow him on Twitter.

          Or maybe he doesn’t think Hamilton has anyting interesting to say. After all, Hamilton just threw a wobbly because he thought Button had stopped following him …

          Or maybe he’s just not particularly close to Hamilton.

        2. I think JB follows these people because they have all been involved with his charity fund raising activities in the past. I don’t think it’s wise to try and stir up a furore between JB and LH because I don’t believe they really have a problem with each other. Sure, on a professional level they can have differences but that’s work, away from the track I’m sure they get on easily.

        3. and they were all on twitter long b4 lewis

    7. People are already kicking off on twitter about it. He doesn’t help himself does he?

    8. Just saw his tweet and his retraction to it! When will Hamilton learn!!

    9. What? You mean Lewis and Jenson aren’t best friends? That was all McLaren PR guff? Who knew?

      1. Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn’t.— Lewis Hamilton (@LewisHamilton) October 7, 2012

        My bad, just found out Jenson never followed me. Don’t blame him! Need to be on Twitter more!— Lewis Hamilton (@LewisHamilton) October 7, 2012

        OK, who else thought this was very funny?

        Lewis, you have to get off Twitter man…

      2. What? You mean Lewis and Jenson aren’t best friends? That was all McLaren PR guff? Who knew?

        Most of us knew they weren’t best friends.

        What we didn’t know, or at least I didn’t, was that even after Telemetrygate, Hamilton’s capacity for narcissistic, petulant, thoughtless behaviour is unaffected.

        Mr Hamilton, if you (think) you have a problem with a team mate, be a man and have a face to face conversation with him. Don’t go bleating to the world on social media.

        1. Your last line is the exact problem I have with social media such as Twitter and Facebook in general. They can be great if used properly, but people become much braver when sitting behind a keyboard for some strange reason, and say things they would never dream/dare of saying to someone face to face.

          Hamilton should really take himself off Twitter if he isn’t mature enough to use it without making mistakes like this, I think it just shows he really is still quite an immature man. Hopefully the Mercedes move will be the making of him in this respect.

          1. You`re spot on, giving Hamilton access and let him speak his mind is like giving a 10-year-old weapons of mass destruction. Hamilton has been living in a bubble where everybody have been telling him how fantastic he is too long. He`s disconnected from reality and I think we have his management team to thank for that.

            It`s wrong to blame Hamilton though, what chances did he really have to grow into a reflected and balanced person. He was put in the spotlight in 2007 as a humble hard working young man. Then everyone and their mother started building him up to be the greatest ever. Every single young man I know would have lost touch with reality in that situation. The only ones that tried to keep him on the ground was McLaren and his father (though his father didn`t manage to keep his own feet on the ground). Hamiltons ego went into overdrive, he even fired his dad. His new management team don`t give a damn about Hamilton, to them he`s a commodity to be exploited. Overexploited some would say.

            And the pressure he`s under every single day must be very hard to live with. He was hailed as the second coming of Christ when he arrived on the scene and has had only moderate success since then. Give the kid a break, then he might get back to his old self and perform better than he does today.

    10. I respected Lewis so much at the beggining of his Career. He was modest, focused and flawless racing Driver, apart from being exeptionally talented Driver as well. Regretably, neither of these qualities, except his Talent, are retained in his contemporary personality. What a prat he’s become…

    11. Perhaps these tweets indicate that one of the reasons Hamilton left McLaren is Jenson Button.

    12. This is all quite sad really, it’s almost like poor little Louie is headed down the road of the “child star”…

      Hopefully Mercedes will finally humble the little monster.

      Social Media though, who really needs it, the ego involved, Twitter – “This is what I’m thinking or doing at this exact moment& ii thought you should know”, & Facebook – “this is an edited version of who I am & how cool I am & how many friends I have & what I think is cool & what I’m thinking & doing right now, because I thought you should know… because I’m cool. (and I forgot how to have a conversation).”

  2. if redbull keep up the pace vettel is champ again

  3. Regarding Lewis, I see people are drawing virtual handbags already ;-)

  4. Was Raikkonen thinking in the sea, or the mountains?

    1. OmarR-Pepper (@)
      8th October 2012, 1:15

      hahaha… Zen philosophy is not what Alonso needs to win this championship. Notice he doesn’t say “congrats to Felipe”, it was Senna!!!

      1. When he had a bad weekend but his teammate did well, I always heard from Alonso that he acknowledges how the other one did very well and that thats good for the team. Obviously I don’t know if he means it or not, but at least I remember him doing it (on the rare occasions necessary). In contrast I haven’t heard that from Vettel for example and I get a lot of Vettel on every station here in Germany, but maybe its just my mind going off when I hear Vettel stuff here (it’s just too much, too often, too overly positive, but I guess every country has someone like that in the media).

        1. @omarr-pepper

          In the post race interview, Fernando was very pragmatic as he usually is. He did say that Felipe drove a “perfect race”. However, he was realistic is stating that that wasnt reflective of the car’s true performance, it was circumstantial once again.

          It was a good driver from Felipe in my opinion, nothing flash about, he took his opportunity and made the most of it. Had KK and JB not got stuck behind Vernge after the pitstops, things could have turned out differently. Good pit strategy from Ferrari and Felipe put the hammer down when he needed to.

          If Felipe can get him self into these positions more often over the last 5 races, he can probably cement his place for next year. I would still prefer Ferrari to drop him.

          1. Actually, I followed Felipe’s lap times and it was quite an impressive performance indeed.

      2. @omarr-pepper Alonso did congratulate Felipe on twitter.

        Gran carrera de @Felipe1Massa !! Fantástico podio! Great race by @Felipe1Massa !! Fantastic podium!

        Also he did it 5 hours before Senna did.

      3. he did congratulate Massa right after the race via twitter, to be fair.

        1. @magon4 he did leave him and the team halfway-through the race when Felipe, who, let’s not forget, handed him a precious win in 2010, was having his best race in over 40 starts. Not as kind as he wants to look like in interviews. He always praises Felipe (for a personal interest) but once he finally gets his job done he isn’t there to congratulate him. He’s free to do what he wants but that wasn’t a nice jesture.

  5. Alonso getting all Zen an stuff…….Ohhmmmm.

  6. “Mark [Webber] came to see me after the race and was obviously not happy, but I apologised and we have to move on.”

    Am I the only one who thikns Grosjean should have moved on after Spa? After all, that was the point of the one-race ban.

    I can’t help but feel that Grosjean’s days are numbered. One more first-lap incident, and I think he’ll have thrown away his career.

    1. On the Sky post-race coverage yesterday there was a lovely interchange between Brundle and Johnny Herbert. Herbert was obviously fuming at Grosjean’s continued first lap idiocies.

      Brundle (trying to take a more sympathetic point of view): So, imagine he’s our boy driving for us, what would you be saying to him now?
      Herbert: Bye bye!

      1. @dirgegirl Yeah, I saw that too. To be honest, I think most people are being harsh on Grosjean here. He was obviously trying to be cautious, not careless, but unfortunately he still got caught out.

        There’s a lot to be said for 24 cars trying to squeeze around one corner in less than 5s, we shouldn’t forget that.

        1. @andrewtanner – I know what you mean – but I question my motives! Grosjean seems very personable, and makes all the right, contrite noises, and meekly says sorry and that he will try to improve, and I find myself wanting to forgive him his transgressions more than I would, say, Maldonado. I did French and Spanish at uni, loved the former and hated the latter, so perhaps that’s where my stupid prejudice comes from.

          I thought that people, including the stewards, were harsh with Grosjean after Spa, and I take your point that 1st corner at Suzuka is something I couldn’t even do on a games console, but this is two 1st lap crashes in two races for him in a season of 1st lap incidents involving championship contenders, so I can understand why the drivers (and F1 Fanatics) are getting stroppy!

          1. @dirgegirl Arguably though, his antics are spicing up the season a bit! Keeping Alonso at bay (with the aid of Raikkonen). I can’t get behind the idea that their should be any difference between championship contenders and non-championship contenders though. I didn’t like the FIA’s reasoning behind Grosjeans punishment following Spa.

          2. @andrewtanner Ah but that’s where my anti-Spanish theory falls down! I’d much rather Alonso won the championship than Vettel – even though I like the German language better than Spanish. I am a classic irrational F1 fan, I’m afraid. Vettel seems like a good bloke and is a brilliant driver but I just don’t want Grosjean to gift him the WDC for a third time on the trot.

            And although I can see your point about it not mattering whether the crashee is in the running for the WDC… I still feel it’s a shame for people still in with a mathematical chance to have their race ruined before they even finished a lap, through no fault of their own or their team’s.

          3. @dirgegirl I don’t think anyone can ‘gift’ you a WDC! I see what your’re getting at but I don’t buy it at all. It’s a long season :P

    2. Actually, the rest of the grid don’t “have” to move on Romain, nor should they if they think someone in their midst is a safety liability.

    3. It’s a shame, because when he makes it round the first lap or so, Grosjean is every bit as fast as Raikkonen, sometimes faster. But that’s not worth much if you’re involved in first-lap incidents half the time.

      Not all the incidents have been his fault, to be sure. But that kind of reputation is hard to shake off, even if he calms down in the future. Hopefully he will have a clean end to the season and can secure his position for next year.

  7. OmarR-Pepper (@)
    8th October 2012, 1:17

    About the double DRS, that could have helped Vettel get the pole, but on the race he was 1st, so I don’t see how he could have used it yesterday.
    I mean, Vettel’s victory was great by any point of view. That’s as simple as cold numbers show he is just 4 points behind Alonso now, accident-wise but that happens in F1.

    1. Good point Omar. Maybe it helped in qualifying but DRS never seemed to help Webber make a pass in the race.

      1. I’m thinking that the condition of Webber’s tyres had something to do with his lack of overtaking if you consider that his race strategy got tossed out the window when Grosjean crashed into him on the first lap and forced him,effectively, to run a two stop strategy.

    2. @omarr-pepper
      The thing is, it helps at the whole weekend, qualy and race are not disjoint events. The RBs could be as fast (or faster) with more wing, than the others with less wing, thus having more downforce in the race, going faster in S1, S2, and throught 130R, plus taking better care of their tyres. It is a very clever way of doing things, as you dont have to compromise your race pace to qualify fast.

      It is simmilar to changing ride height between the sessions (not allowed), because now the cars have to qualify with higher than optimal ride height to avoid floor damage in the race (+120-150Kg fuel).

    3. @omarr-pepper – for sure it helps the more in qualifying than in the race (in actual fact I doubt he ever got to use it in the race except when overtaking back markers) but he can control the race from the front brilliantly.
      Adrian and the team are simply allowing their driver to do what he does best!

      1. +1 Pretty much this.

  8. I dont do twitter I think its a waste of electrons, but how can Lewis see that Jenson unfollowed him when he didnt follow him to start with, hacked account maybe?

    1. He probably just assumed that Button had been following him all along, then got upset when he found Button wasn’t following him at all, wrongfully assuming that Button had consciously chosen to unsubsrcibe from his updates.

    2. Lewis probably looked at his followers list and saw that Jenson wasn’t there. He then assumed that Jenson followed him at some point so he must have unfollowed him to get off the list. I guess it’s an easy mistake to make although I’m surprised at the way he went on the attack with his response.

      1. The fact he never did aint cool either, is it?

        However, LH doesn’t need to react to that.

        1. @jcost So there’s some sort of moral imperative to follow all your acquaintances and colleagues on Twitter, is there? Wouldn’t that be completely hypocritical and a massive waste of time if you’re not interested in endless streams of non-relevant microblogging?

          1. @dirgegirl

            There are many things(I) we do because it looks good before others, it’s not moral, it’s social. Some will argue that we should be real every second of our lives but c’mon, that’s life.

            I repeat, Hamilton should not react to that.

    3. the papers

    4. Yesterday there was a news article on this, something titled ” Jensen unfollow LH and begin to follow Perez”. It was reading a bit agitating to at least a guy to be unfollowed I felt. My guess is LH saw it and sort of responded instantly.
      But that article was definitely fishy. For any matured person with a working brain might have checked first of all, and even it turned out true, had to think a better way of handling it, i.e., leaving it as it is. Why bark at something which is not at all worthy of? Some may bark at you, then let them bark. Why care? This tweet is one shiny example of stupidity man.

      1. In all fairness, this unfollowing story was started by a respected journalist on Twitter the very day Hamilton’s move was formally announced. And it was re-tweeted over and over again by so many F1 persons that Jenson eventually refuted it on Twitter explaining that he’d never followed him in the first place. During all this, it seems Lewis had taken a break from Twitter (he later said he’d had a phone problem). So I guess he was trawling through the tweets from that time and reacted to the story like many of us would. I fail to see why this is such a big deal – nothing he said was particularly nasty or shocking. Of course, being Lewis, everyone has to bleat how immature he is blah blah blah

        1. It was even used in a Mirror article, British Journalism at it’s best.

  9. Haha, positive thinking of Alonso always surprises me. Good luck for him in Korea.

  10. Funny they used an “Oscar y Juan Galvez” lookalike track in that Tooned episode :P.

  11. Hopefully, Japan was just for Red Bull like China was for Mercedes. Now, they have double DRS, I’m hoping that soon their car will become as quick and a tyre-eater like the Mercedes. :D

    1. @kingshark – Red Bull’s doesn’t duct air to the front wing though, so the return of downforce is quicker after the DRS is closed. Mercedes’ system ducts air over the front wing and so downforce takes a few tenths to return which makes the car unstable in braking (hence lock-ups are more likely etc.). Also, their car is a tyre-eater by nature.
      Adrian is a clever guy, he wouldn’t sacrifice the tyres for a small gain in qualifying. I think Vettel rather demonstrated that the car isn’t a tyre eater by running longer than everyone else in both tyre change windows yet was still able to conserve enough life to set the fastest lap.
      It’s always good to be hopeful though.

  12. I don’t dare to go to the Bathurst thread on the forum in case I might see something I don’t want to see, so I’ll ask here: when will the race be uploaded to the Youtube channel?

    P.S. don’t try anything funny in the replies, I won’t believe you anyway.

  13. Some truly weird commentary from Alonso on twitter there. That sort of philosophizing is fairly meaningless when your battle is “whose car is fastest”.

    Also nice to see everyone who was taken in by the Jenson “unfollow” story last week having a go at Lewis for being taken in by it while catching up on his tweets… where several journalists and endless fans included him on @mentions about it.

    “we want drivers to react like humans” scream the mob. “OMG he spoke his mind what a tit” screams the mob…

    That said, I would adore Lewis on a “speak your brains” segment on The Day Today.

    1. “we want drivers to react like intelligent humans”

      1. Even the most intelligent of humans can have an off day. Nobody’s perfect.

        Having an off first lap 50 odd percent of the time, that’s different…

      2. Like those who propagate said untruths perhaps?

      3. we want drivers to react like intelligent humans

        Why? Is that because you are intelligent? Or everyone else is?

  14. Hamilton is completely out of himself. He looks lost and without hope. He didn´t like to see Perez overtake him, in a place that it´s relativelly common to overtake and classified the manouvre as “crazy”. He should be more gracious on defeat, he knows the chapionship is lost and the reaction is without thinking.
    His relationship with Button got cold after Spa due to another non-thinking action, the so called telemetrygate. Button and Mclaren felt betrayed and this is something hard to forget or forgive.
    And now “la piéce de la résistance”, attacking Button for unfollowing him on Twitter – only one thing can be said – Hamilton, grow up!

    1. Why this level of Hamilton bashing? You would think he was the Sonof Satan from the responses here!

  15. Adriaan Newey is indeed a genius.
    He seems to have perfected something Merc have been struggling with since the beginning of the season. Lotus is also struggling with theirs. McLaren, well…
    Yet no-one could even notice it at Singapore.

    1. Merc dont even have the system on their car. they’re looking at it but havent introduced it yet.

      You are talking about the passive system.

      Its just a shame that any innovation and cool idea is immediately banned by the FIA (including the DDRS). Its becoming a joke now. The F-Duct a cool, simple and cost effective way of making your car go faster is banned. The hot blown diffuser is banned allegedly to save fuel. The cold blown diffuser is banned (at least attempted by exhaust positioning) for god knows what reason. The Lotus brake system, is banned even though Lotus asked the FIA for clarification prior investing resources to develop it and getting a green light. The double diffuser is banned, etc, etc. Can you think of any innovation in the last 5 years that wasnt subsequently banned?

      1. isnt F1 also about innovation and cost effectiveness?

      2. Maybe some of the bans are more to curtail Newey than anything else.
        Otherwise this man would have the entire field for breakfast.

      3. The only real solution to this is banning Newey himself :D

  16. I agree with the COTD. Moreover, I feel the same way about Maldonado as well and I’d rather see more Grosjeans and Maldonados in F1 than more Ricciardos and Vergnes.

    1. Why? The two torro rosso drivers are picking up results in a slower car than either rogro or pastor have access to, so I don’t see how it can be on the basis of talent…

      1. +1 It’s clear the STR is the 4th slowest car on the grid, by some way short of the 5th and 6th

      2. @Hairs I hope they both prove me wrong next year but it seems that Vergne is unable to get the most out of the car in qualifying, while Ricciardo usually underperforms on Sunday. As far as I know, experts aren’t very impressed by their performance as well (if I remember correctly, Vergne has the lowest average Autosport rating this year so far) and Red Bull obviously don’t consider either of them to be good enough to be able to replace Webber, who isn’t exactly a Vettel himself.

        I’m not saying they’re useless but I believe that Grosjean and Maldonado have more potential to fight for further wins and podiums in the future and I just prefer crash-prone and quick drivers over ‘careful’ and average ones.

        1. A driver who doesn’t finish the race isn’t quick, or a racer. He’s unclassified. He’s a liability to himself and others.

          I think Maldonado and Grosjean have shown all the potential they have – neither have the extra capacity to understand what is going around them, which makes them lesser drivers in my opinion.

  17. Is it just me who thinks there’s serious tension between Hamilton and Perez after their moves got a proper announcement?

    It’s obvious Perez had something to prove to Lewis (or McLaren, to be more precise) in those two instances on track and Hamilton’s statements make it all kind of mutual now.

    I get Perez, to be honest. He’s young, rather inexperienced, lacks patience once in a while and he’s got a huge morale boost from signing with McLaren. It’s normal for him to feel overconfident now and go above the line a bit, especially towards the guy he’s going to replace and who he’s expected to be better than. This time he blew it, next time he’ll be more careful.

    Lewis should know that. He’s been in Perez’s situation a number of times in his career. I don’t think there’s enough to justify Hamilton’s aggressive response to Checo’s moves there. The first time around, it just was a good overtaking maneouver, a bit forced but that’s it. Second time around, Checo blew it and took himself out. I don’t see how that could have incomodated Hamilton and definitely not enough incentive to call one crazy or reckless.

    This is shaping up into a teenage romance story where Hamilton’s highschool sweetheart – McLaren, just dumped him for someone else. Lewis still has some feelings for them / feels betrayed and he’s taking it out on the new guy. Perez in this case.

    1. Whilst I’d agree with most of what you say, I wouldn’t call the first overtake a good overtaking manoeuvre, it was from a seriously long way back and if Hamilton hadn’t seen him coming could have resulted in them coming together

      1. if Hamilton hadn’t seen him coming could have resulted in them coming together

        The same can be said about Schumacher on Di Resta. The thing is they didn’t come together and that’s what makes it a decent overtake (especially compared to the general lack of such maneouvers at Suzuka). Sure, none of these two were “Hakkinen on Schumacher using Zonta” material but nothing wrong with them either. :)

        1. I would class Schumachers move as slightly different since it was in the DRS zone and was far less last minute, Di Resta would have seen it coming as opposed to Hamilton who had to react. I would definitely call it a much better move than the kamikaze dive of Perez.

          Don’t get me wrong, Perez performed a clean pass (and many people would class a clean pass as a good pass) but it certainly took a certain level of awareness by the other driver.

    2. How on earth has his response been “aggresive”?? It seems there is a never ending supply of people who will jump and froth at the mouth at anything Lewis does, says, thinks, or does NOT do, say or think, and twist it into the worst thing ever done by a human being? Why is there this level of vitriol? ALL the time? Does it hint at something more subconcious? You really have to start wondering>

  18. @cristian

    Red Bull also had a new front wing in Suzuka, which appeared to have been evolved to be sure to pass the more stringent FIA flexing tests, which were introduced to address rumoured rotation of the front wing.

    Quote from:
    Is it possible Red Bull made this change because they knew their wings was breaking the rules?
    Newey, always bending the rules; and getting away with it :D

    1. ‘their wing’ wing(s).
      RedBull gives you wings :)

  19. Seb Loeb… 9 WDCs… truly awesome… why is it that he never got into F1? He won in a works car and in a privateer… they’ll have to take a wheel off him as a handicap soon.

    1. this is his last full season

  20. What you know may be that robot was Perez???????

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