2013 Monaco Grand Prix championship points

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39 comments on “2013 Monaco Grand Prix championship points”

  1. Hamilton is 15 points clear of Rosberg. But if you ask anyone, they will definitely say that Rosberg has been the better driver so far. What a difference team orders and few retirements make!

    1. @sumedh Well team orders or no, Hamilton was the best driver of these in the first 3 races. Then it turned around completely

      1. @montreal95
        Well, not quite. Rosberg was better in Malaysia, and Hamilton was better in Bahrain.

        1. @kingshark Depends on how you look at it. Hamilton was faster in Malaysia qualy but couldn’t keep his fuel consumption low enough in the race. The opposite happened in Bahrain-Rosberg faster in qualy but had higher tire wear

    2. They seem pretty even to me- Rosberg has happened to have been the better driver when the car has been at its strongest, and has got more headline results, but they’re pretty even in head-to-head otherwise. Although admittedly Rosberg hasn’t had a race as bad as Hamilton in Spain.

  2. The difference between Vettel and Alonso is so depressing…

  3. Damn, 29 points behind now; so frustrating to see the difference one bad race can make.

    1. One bad race? Which one? Malaysia, Bahrain, or Monaco? Arguably Ferrari fluffed Malaysia and Bahrain royally. IMO they had the car to win those races.

      1. @raymondu999
        Well, in all fairness, there is a pattern evolving.

        Australia – Good
        Malaysia – Bad
        China – Good
        Bahrain – Bad
        Spain – Good
        Monaco – Bad
        Canada – Yay!

        I know you don’t win championships with an inconsistency pattern like this, but if Ferrari maximize the result out of every good race they have, Alonso could end the season with 9 wins, and when was the last time a driver with so many wins lost the championship? ;-)

        1. @kingshark Actually that would be an interesting statistical exploration. Does anyone know when the last time such an up-and-down performance won the title?

          1. @raymondu999
            Last year? Red Bull were good in Australia, bad in Malaysia and China, good in Bahrain, bad in Spain, good in Monaco, and then bad in Canada.

  4. Stupid Perez, just ruined the race of Raikkonen…

    1. it was actually Raikkonen who messed Perez’s race up!

      1. @mw-arden Really? Coming up from a mile back twice in a stupid and dangerous way he deserves his few next races to be ruined as well

      2. OmarR-Pepper (@)
        26th May 2013, 18:50

        +1… and I’m surprised Kimi is not excluded or taken from his only point.

  5. WilliamB (@william-brierty)
    26th May 2013, 15:43

    That race was pretty gripping, but it has RUINED a championship battle that was really hotting up. Ruined with a capital R.

    1. @william-brierty Vettel’s 21 points ahead with 325 to be won. He could be second after the next race. It’s far from ruined.

    2. It’s not like there’s 13 more races to come or anything, or that Ferrari and Lotus appear to have race pace comparable to the Red Bulls. Nope, the championship battle is over, just like it was last year when Alonso was 40 points ahead with 7 races to go.

  6. interesting to note that mercedes have got the same amount of points now as they did at the end of last year!

    1. actually scrap that….read the wrong link and got exicited….

  7. It’s so hard to catch up Vettel and Red Bull!! I wish closed gap after Canada…

  8. it wont be that hard…i think Red bull will be at the back foot in canada..n considering the strong race pace of ferrari n lotus n consistency of Raikkonen its not at all over yet…amazing recovery by raikkonen to continue his point run..

    1. OmarR-Pepper (@)
      26th May 2013, 18:53

      until Asia comes and Vettel destroys them all again in 3 or 4 races, then he can go back to the “back foot” but with enough difference to be uncatchable again.

      1. @omarr-pepper
        Apart from the fact that this time Ferrari actually have a proper wind-tunnel, so Newey won’t be able to run away in the development race come to Asia. ;)

        1. @kingshark I doubt you can attribute Vettel’s prowess in the 4 Asian flyaway races as car development.

          1. @raymondu999
            Of course, he drove brilliantly these races, but let’s face it, he clearly had the best car in Japan, Korea and India. The RB8 had a large qualifying advantage over the rest of the grid, and in the race only the F2012 came close though not close enough.

            Vettel’s most impressive wins out of the four was probably Singapore, where he beat Button, when the McLaren was probably faster than Red Bull, though he can thank that win to Hamilton’s usual luck.

            Don’t get me wrong, Vettel undoubtedly drove well in the Asia leg, but he had a handy car advantage in 3 out of the 4 races.

            Ferrari were incapable of keeping up with Red Bull in car development because they were working with an out-dated simulator and ancient wind tunnel.

            Presuming those problems are solved at Maranello this year, and they can develop their car as well as they did in 2007 and 2008, then I can’t see Vettel running away with anything.

          2. @kingshark My point is that Webber still couldn’t match Vettel in those races, except for perhaps Korea in qualifying. In fact Webber – who let’s face it, is no slouch – has never outqualified Vettel at the late-season 4 Asian flyaways, even Suzuka, which isn’t a Tilke track.

            Just because someone qualifies on pole with a gap to P2 (or P3, if his teammate is P2) doesn’t mean that he had the fastest car.

          3. @vettel1
            Webber may not be a slouch, but let’s face it, if it wasn’t for Grosjean’s brainfade in Japan, or his KERS failure in India, Red Bull would have had not only 3 consecutive front row lock-outs, but also 3 consecutive 1-2 finishes.

            Webber has never been a top driver, and probably never will be. A 36 year old isn’t in his prime anymore either. The fact that Webber was able to out-qualify and out-race Alonso and Hamilton for three consecutive weekends is almost solidified proof that Red Bull clearly had the fastest car in those 3 races (Japan, Korea & India).

          4. @kingshark are you just so used to arguing with me that you used my @mention? ;)

          5. @Vettel1, lol! What a fail. :P

            My response was to @raymondu999

          6. As for the second comment though, completely agree: he had a car advantage and he made the most out of it, which undoubtably win him the championship. It’s all about that: maximising potential.

          7. @kingshark I wasn’t just talking about 2012 – in past years Webber has never managed to match Seb at those circuits either.

            Look at Suzuka 2011 for example, where the Red Bull was clearly struggling in qualifying, and Seb still nabbed pole by the skin of his teeth.

            I truly believe that had everyone been driving a Red Bull – Seb would still get pole at those events, and would probably still win. Maybe not as dominant; maybe not pole by the margin that he had – but I absolutely believe he would have – and this goes for all the previous years on these circuits (except perhaps Singapore – IMO Hamilton and Alonso will be in the fight for pole with him) but certainly Suzuka, Korea and India. Especially Suzuka 2011, where I believe that he would in fact get a bigger (not smaller) gap to P2.

          8. @raymondu999

            Interesting point you made about Suzuka 2011. Yes, Vettel did take pole position in a qualy session where McLaren were quickest, but you ignored Hamilton was not able to set a quick lap. Button came within 0.009 s of pole, and let’s face it, Jenson isn’t the greatest qualifier.

            As for the Japan ’11 GP, I’m not too sure what you’re talking about. Alonso beat Vettel in that race despite starting 4 positions behind him. Red Bull were better than Ferrari in qualifying, though they were about equal in the race, so I’m not too sure how you can claim Vettel would beat Alonso at Suzuka 2011 with an equal car, when he couldn’t do it in better qualy and equal in race pace car.

            However, this is an interesting discussion actually. “Who would win each race if everyone is driving the same car”. Maybe I should start a topic about it on the forum. :p

          9. @kingshark About Hamilton in 2011 Suzuka, I don’t think there is any conclusive proof that he would have taken pole. He was looking like it, sure. But in their years together as teammates (Button & Hamilton) Hamilton has tended to show less improvement than Button on his second Q3 run – perhaps indicative of him extracting more on the first runs.

            I dispute that the Ferrari was equal (or worse) than the Red Bull in Suzuka 2011. The Red Bull was eating its tyres up like mad, having to constantly be the first car to come in the pits, and Vettel was always visibly struggling towards the end of stints – a perfect position for the kind-on-tyres F150.

  9. Thik Groesjan and Perez should be banned from racing for at least 3 races. Its natural to be competeive but u need to pay a bit of attention too!

  10. With Vettel’s lead increasing, the silverstone organizers must be really worried now about the ticket sales !!!!! LOL

  11. Red-Bull has not been anywhere near as good as previous years yet has had a better start than in 2010 & 2012. I expect them to keep improving and eventually ‘get’ the tyres. Then its goodbye title battle.

    Fair play to Vettel, he has been supreme this year. Even if Alonso makes no mistakes again this year, it has been his worse year already for a while.

  12. That kid is just unstoppable, isn’t he? Have to admire that. Not the best car in Qualifying, not the best car in the race, but he’s still up there.

  13. Consistency wins you titles and so far Vettel’s been easily the most consistent driver at the front of the field. He’s the only one to finish every race so far in the top 5 (and indeed the top 4): it’s that relentless haul of points even when you may not have the best car and grabbing the wins when you do that allowed Alonso to amass such a big margin in what was on balance the third best car in the first part of the season. Looking good so far.

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