2014 Canadian Grand Prix
- Perez keeps five-place grid penalty for Massa crash
- Stewards confirm review of Perez-Massa collision
- Stewards to investigate Massa-Perez crash again
- 2014 Canadian Grand Prix team radio transcript
- Canadian GP judged best race of the year so far
Image © Red Bull/Getty
AbeyG (@1abe)
8th June 2014, 20:49
Massa ruined his and Perez’s race! Really gutted for Force India.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
8th June 2014, 21:00
Perez’s race was ruined with his brake issues. He could have won today. :-(
Milansson (@milansson)
8th June 2014, 21:03
I don’t want to sound stupid here.. Massa was most likely a bit too optimistic, but I had the feeling, from the onboard of Perez, that he went just a little bit left, while normally, he would stay almost at the white line on the right side. That might have been the reason why he and Massa collided.. I thought Massa did want to brake there, but got surprised that Perez went just a little bit to left.. but that is just my opinion.. It’s a shame though.. Great race, but the Mercedes had to have issues to make it such a drama..
Solo (@solo)
1st September 2014, 3:51
How much will people trying to excuse this useless Brazilian.
Do you expect me to believe no one on the radio told him Perez was suffering from brake problems? Besides it was obvious for a few laps that was behind him.
Williams was stupid for signing him. They should throw him out and call Di Resta.
Di Resta might be an annoying little man but at least he knows how to half drive a car.
Guy (@)
8th June 2014, 21:05
No, his race was compromised by brake issues. Massa literally wrecked his race. That’s the problem with Massa. He can’t “race.” Wheel to wheel racing with this guy tend to end in accidents no matter who he’s racing. I feel sorry for Force India and Perez.
Kingshark (@kingshark)
8th June 2014, 21:10
He was closing rapidly on Vettel down the straight, that’s why he went left.
Milansson (@milansson)
8th June 2014, 21:15
possible as well.. will have to see that again.. But yeah, Massa messed it up.. He will for sure get a grid penalty for the next race
@HoHum (@hohum)
9th June 2014, 0:18
@kingshark, yes his brake issue ruined his chance of winning but it was a brake issue on the MBs that gave him the chance, that’s racing.
Veldaar (@veldaarf1)
8th June 2014, 21:09
Massively disappointed for Force India. They were within sniffing chance of an incredible victory.
Sgscreate
8th June 2014, 21:45
I disagree, watching in slow motion over and over again, Massa was in a straight line and passing and, at the last second, Perez moved abruptly to the left. If you get the chance, watch from the wide view and then from Perez’s cockpit where you see his steering wheel. This was not Massa’s fault, it was Perez that jerked just slightly to the left and caused the crash.
Uzair Syed (@ultimateuzair)
8th June 2014, 20:52
Stupid driving from Massa! If Rosberg wins the WDC this year it will just be because of pure luck. Rosberg= 0 DNF’S while Hamilton = 2 DNF’S
Rigi (@rigi)
8th June 2014, 20:58
that’s racing, mate.
Strontium (@strontium)
8th June 2014, 21:05
Not ‘pure’ luck at all. Some luck, but honestly it depends on how the rest of the season is, and it is too soon to be making statements like that one.
William Stuart (@williamstuart)
8th June 2014, 21:10
Exactly, I think Lewis’s driving style had an input in his DNF though, he is the latest of the late brakers, putting more pressure on his breaks, thus causing them to fail. Seeing as they were already weak. As a Hamilton fan and a Williams fan, this was absolutely the worst result possible really, but I’d still rate it a nine on all of the drama… Aggghhhh.
David BR2
8th June 2014, 21:19
But it’s not as though Mercedes didn’t know (a) that’s Hamilton’s style, and (b) Canada is where breaks are under highest pressure.
rantingmrp (@rantingmrp)
8th June 2014, 21:30
So many races to go. No bid deal. Rosberg will have a DNF sooner or later. Surprised, though, at the very slow Lewis pitstop.
Lewis needs to worry about that more than about any reliability issues.
trublu (@trublu)
8th June 2014, 21:34
It probably helps to be racing in clean air.
Gerrie
8th June 2014, 21:49
If you are good you can also look after your car – I am saying no more !
Solo (@solo)
1st September 2014, 3:55
The brakes failed because of the MGU-K not helping with braking. Sure Hamilton brakes harder but he can’t be a wizard to know that this thing would happen.
f1freek (@f1freek)
8th June 2014, 21:45
Hamilton ruined his brakes on his own. He was running with rear brake bias most of the race plus following Nico and him being a late braker did not help his cause.
puneeth Bharath (@puneethvb)
8th June 2014, 20:53
Good race … can’t believe Rosenberg was not punished for straight lining the chicane to defend from Hamilton ..how did button end up 4th ? When did he pass hulk and Alonso?
puneeth Bharath (@puneethvb)
8th June 2014, 20:56
*Rosberg
Kingshark (@kingshark)
8th June 2014, 20:58
Because he didn’t gain a position.
trublu (@trublu)
8th June 2014, 21:00
Still gained an advantage
LexBlair (@lexblair)
8th June 2014, 21:02
No he didn’t…..
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 21:04
Yup, about 1.5 seconds. Stewards turn a blind eye to Rosberg though.
Mike (@mike)
8th June 2014, 21:10
I think it’s fair to say that he got an advantage. I however also think a final warning was sufficient.
melkurion (@melkurion)
8th June 2014, 21:27
The drivers meeting established that it could happen once, after that it was a penalty. So even though he gained an advantage, this was all sorted out before the race
Paul (@frankjaeger)
9th June 2014, 1:26
@lexblair It’s just ridiculous of you to say he didn’t gain an advantage, he completely missed the chicane for christ sake
puneeth Bharath (@puneethvb)
8th June 2014, 21:06
But he gained an advantage by exceeding the track limits… in my book that should’ve been punished
Veldaar (@veldaarf1)
8th June 2014, 21:11
And he got out of Hamiltons DRS range.
Guy (@)
8th June 2014, 21:15
@ Kingshark, don’t be ridiculous. Rosberg straight lined and Hamilton took a chicane. Just pretend it wasn’t Hamilton behind and you will see it more objectively.
Had Hamilton gotten a fair ruling in that situation, he would have been in clean air and perhaps his brakes would not have overheated and failed. Something to think about.
Barry
9th June 2014, 12:42
So Hamilton who went straight on while having break issues should also be punished. Both cars was having break issues! Stop pretending Hamilton is the greatest racing driver and look at the race in context he pushed his breaks to far end of! As for gaining an advantage I’d agree if Hamilton was about to overtake him on that corner!
William Stuart (@williamstuart)
8th June 2014, 21:13
Yes, the problem is that most punishments would be too harsh, but I think having to give the place to Hamilton would be fair, but a bit presumptuous seeing as there was no guarantee Hamilton would have passed him. However he should definitely have been punished, maybe a point on Rosbergs license?
Guy (@)
8th June 2014, 21:21
@ William Stuart, Rosberg simply has to yield the position. That’s what happens in all forms of racing. There are no pit lane penalties for straight lining if you concede position. One of the ways to pass a car in front is to force them into a mistake, Hamilton did exactly that!
Clive Allen (@clive-allen)
8th June 2014, 21:56
At last someone mentions it – Rosberg makes mistakes when subjected to pressure. Don’t tell me that Hamilton is losing the mind battle. It’s Nico that gets flustered.
spoutnik (@spoutnik)
8th June 2014, 21:39
That’s why they introduced a whole new range of penalties, a good one would have been a 5 seconds penalty, or be ordered to give the position, like Alonso last year at Monaco.
Ben (@scuderia29)
8th June 2014, 21:22
yeah im confused about buttons 4th position too
Balazsryche (@balazsryche)
8th June 2014, 21:37
penalty for rosberg?! guys, are you serious? how about kvyat who did a same but he and kimi were side by side, and they didn’t even investigate it.
Randy (@randy)
8th June 2014, 20:54
Is it the first time in Kimi’s career that he was the last running car to cross the line of a F1 GP?
Droid Damudi (@droiddamudi)
8th June 2014, 20:57
sutil was last running car
rick
8th June 2014, 20:55
Biased as i may be, i believe it was perez’s fault for that collision. Massa was going for the inside line, and perez moved over. Felipe waa going to get past, perez moved under braking. I feel sorry for massa seeing as he drove an incredible race, rubbish pit stop but then massive stint on tyres. Hes had al the bad luck this season.
Ricardo Ferreira (@yes-master)
8th June 2014, 20:56
Great race! Amazing win for Ricciardo! Huge effort from Nico, but Red Bull is a team to take care. We probably have a F1 championship after all.
Andre Furtado (@f1andy83)
8th June 2014, 20:56
red bull again playing into ric hands. i hope vettel leaves red bull at the end of this year. what a joke that ric cant wint a race without team orders. That first place belonged to vettel. Ric you are a terrible joke. For those who defend him. Watch the race and ask why do they always screw up vettel a car or strategy. No excuse. Again vettel you need to leave this horrible team. Ric enjoy your victory for it will be forever stained. Too bad you can’t win one for yourself. You would wish your first victory meant something. After vettel was told not to race you. Enjoy this one.
Also not surprised by massa.
matt90 (@matt90)
8th June 2014, 21:00
So why is Ricciardo a joke?
AbeyG (@1abe)
8th June 2014, 21:00
What did I jus read!?!
puneeth Bharath (@puneethvb)
8th June 2014, 21:01
Ha ha ha … very funny :-)
LosD (@losd)
8th June 2014, 21:03
Wait, what?
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
8th June 2014, 21:09
There is a point in it: Red Bull pitted Vettel at the wrong time, gifting Ricciardo track position when prior to being stuck behind Hülkenberg Vettel was demonstrably faster. That cost him the victory, ultimately.
Mike (@mike)
8th June 2014, 21:13
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I suspect that the time the team thought it was the right thing to do.
Tj
8th June 2014, 21:19
Andre, you are kidding?
Sun Siyuan (@peking901)
8th June 2014, 21:27
We call this kind of fans ‘脑残粉’ in my country.
OmarR-Pepper (@)
8th June 2014, 21:36
@peking901 hhehehe, I can’t read it, but I guess it’s a four-letter word
I’m a Vettel fan, but to try to put Ricciardo’s victory down is childish.
@vettel1 I’m sure you can comment better than this. Try again. Ric is the man of the day. Seb will have his chance as well. It’s only Daniel is showing to handle this year’s car better. It’s good to see he is better than old Mark, who cracked under Seb’s pressure. As far as I saw today, Seb hasn’t cracked under Ric’s pressure (yet) and it’s good to see Seb’s reaction congratulating his teammate and not being sore and show “a face” as a British guy did in Monaco.
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
8th June 2014, 21:38
@omarr-pepper I don’t genuinely agree with that though – I think Sebastian was faster. That is not to demean Ricciardo though, who was also of course very good and made his strategy work.
@HoHum (@hohum)
9th June 2014, 0:29
@vettel1, the obvious riposte is, “then why was he not able to pass Perez”?
Max Jacobson (@vettel1)
9th June 2014, 22:08
@hohum apologies for taking a while to reply, but I feel that is easily addressed.
Ricciardo himself spent the best part of 20-30 laps stuck behind Perez. Equally, Vettel spent that amount of time stuck behind Hülkenberg. It just so transpired that when Vettel came out from his second pit stop, he was greeted by Perez – allowing Ricciardo to reduce the gap as Vettel lost time.
Neither had the speed to make the quick passes which would have easily put Vettel into prime winning contention.
WarrenR
15th September 2014, 10:57
Is F1 only followed by conspiracy theorists???
David Margono (@woshidavid95)
8th June 2014, 22:28
@omarr-pepper It means brain-damaged :P
@peking901 你是中国人吗？没想到这里有可以讲华文的人。
melkurion (@melkurion)
8th June 2014, 21:30
This is such a wrong post. not because of your opinions, but the way you present them.
The earth is flat! Your pants are on fire. Just saying things doesn’t make them true. If you are going to make comments like that, please show some intelligence, and support your oppinions with arguements and facts.
Veldaar (@veldaarf1)
8th June 2014, 21:31
And where will he go? Dyson Ferrari?? Red Bull is his best and only option considering there is no vacancy in Mercedes. And Mclaren-Honda would be a massive gamble.
Clive Allen (@clive-allen)
8th June 2014, 21:59
A gamble like Hamilton moving from McLaren to Mercedes? Or Prost leaving Renault and going to McLaren? Sometimes gambles win…
Jimi (@hendrix666)
9th June 2014, 1:16
A gamble like Hill moving from Williams to Arrows? Or Villeneuve leaving Williams and going to BAR? Sometimes gambles lose…
Had to do it @clive-allen! :P
Clive Allen (@clive-allen)
9th June 2014, 2:16
That’s why they’re called gambles. My point is that sometimes they win. ;) @hendrix666
Evans
8th June 2014, 21:40
I’m a Vettel fan myself but if DR didn’t deserve to win then neither did SV because it was either LH or NR (actually just LH) who deserved to win. Things just didn’t work out for Vettel. He himself already realizes this and has taken the opportunity to celebrate DR’s first win with the rest of the world.
Francisco (@fjvi)
8th June 2014, 21:44
Ricciardo is enjoying a great moment and it will last for as long as he can keep it, there is no real reason to push Vettel ahead as in the past, when Webber was told to hold position, Vettel has an opportunity to match his team mate in qualy, or do you think he is being ordered to qualify behind Ricciardo?
Neel Jani (@neelv27)
8th June 2014, 21:59
@f1andy83 COTD!! Plz, this guy deserves it. He made most of us laugh our guts out!! :)
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 20:56
Rosberg cutting the chicane was like something out of a videogame. The decision not to punish him was maddening.
Let’s see, the leader of the championship made a mistake in Monaco to secure pole and made a mistake in Canada and kept his lead. Hamilton can’t get a break (no pun intended!)
Aimal (@aimalkhan)
8th June 2014, 21:01
Calm down. it was a genuine mistake and he was ahead at the time. You are also allowed one warning before a penalty.
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 21:06
Yeah, the driver who makes the most mistakes reaps all the rewards. It’s bizarre.
Mike (@mike)
8th June 2014, 21:13
What do you think would be a fair outcome then?
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 21:17
Drive through.
Theo Parkinson (@theo-hrp)
8th June 2014, 21:24
Give the position to Lewis or 5 second penalty.
aknike
8th June 2014, 21:10
The mistake was genuine. But it’s the action after the mistake that’s making ppl (or at least me) mad. He could have at least lifted a bit while cuting the corner. The replay shown he floored it like mad and gained advantage. Hamilton was right behind / almost beside him at that corner.
Guy (@)
8th June 2014, 21:31
Sorry that’s not a mistake you take a warning from. You have to give up position when that happens. The guy behind pressured you into a mistake. You left the circuit. Either make a U turn and renter the track where you went off, or yield the position. It’s only fair.
William Stuart (@williamstuart)
8th June 2014, 21:13
Exactly.
Ben (@scuderia29)
8th June 2014, 21:24
hamilton wasnt close enough to even think about a move, its not like rosberg only kept the position because he crossed the chicane, he would have led out of the final corner even if he made the corner, a penalty would have been ridiculous
rantingmrp (@rantingmrp)
8th June 2014, 21:32
Using that reasoning, maybe everyone more than a second ahead of the next car should cut all chicanes.
OmarR-Pepper (@)
8th June 2014, 21:40
@rantingmrp and damage your tyres in the process, plus gaining the warning on the first time and the penalty on the second.
Wise!
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 21:46
Haha, exactly.
F1 already protects drivers massively from their mistakes, but now it seems it rewards them. Get rid of the run off and Rosberg would have been a write-off, how is it right that he goes unpunished?
Veldaar (@veldaarf1)
8th June 2014, 21:40
But he got out of DRS range which must have given him a massive breathing space. Hamilton was definitely closing on him to overtake.
The problem was what penalty to give considering he was already leading. A drive through would have been harsh. Maybe a 5 second penalty added at the end of the race?
By the way is he cleared by the stewards? There was no indication during the race.
Calum (@calum)
8th June 2014, 20:56
Ricciardo stood out as a great qualifier for Toro Rosso in the past, and has been solid for RedBull so I’m quite pleased to see him get his first victory.
First of many.
Andre Furtado (@f1andy83)
8th June 2014, 21:06
Vettel was ahead of him and faster than him all weekend. He wouldn’t have won the race if it wasn’t for team orders.
Rob8k
8th June 2014, 20:58
What a drive from Rosberg. If luck doesn’t change hands soon at Mercedes I think that Rosberg has the championship in the bag, although is a long way to go yet
Clive Allen (@clive-allen)
8th June 2014, 22:10
Nico’s father was one of the unluckiest drivers ever but he was a gritty fighter (and a character) and that’s how he won his championship. So far I see no sign of his son following in his footsteps.
N
8th June 2014, 22:30
…Yeah what a drive from Rosberg:
Firstly he outbraked himself and nearly smashed into his teammate one turn1 at the start, but for Hamiltons fast reactions saving both of them…
Secondly after his first pit stop he nearly lost control an smashed into the wall at the first chicane
Thirdly locked up brakes into the last chicane, floor’d the throttle on the run-off, and set the fastest lap of the race and got himself out of DRS range of Hamilton.
Fourthly loses the race lead to Hamilton after Hamilton put in a stonking in-lap before the last pit, only for him to DNF moments later. Then, after the team analsying what went wrong with Lewis rear brakes, got advice from the team on how to manage his own by running much more forward on the brake bias, releaving pressure on the rears without MGU-K working.
All in all, another result for Rosberg which came about via both luck and cheating.
Good day.
Bobby (@f1bobby)
9th June 2014, 8:56
+1
Aimal (@aimalkhan)
8th June 2014, 21:00
What a race. But have Ferrari ever brought updates which actually worked?
Droid Damudi (@droiddamudi)
8th June 2014, 21:00
Typical perez move, not the first time he moved underbraking, too many times. Last year he did similar move many time( china with Kimi, spa with grosjean, monza with Kimi). He need to learn from today’s accident, its dangerous.
rick
8th June 2014, 21:13
it was definetly perez who moved under braking that caused that accident. People on this site obviously dislike massa for sone reason, just because he was the car behind dosent mean its his fault. Shame because massa drove a hreat race before that.
James
8th June 2014, 21:15
The only thing Perez learnt today is that Massa is uncapable of racing wheel to wheel
Droid Damudi (@droiddamudi)
8th June 2014, 21:33
thats also true, “two wrong..” whatever that goes with.
in current driver line up Massa is weakest wheel 2 wheel driver. perez, grosjean and maldonado with bad spacial awareness.
James
8th June 2014, 21:43
Perez and Grosjean have good spacial awareness and race craft, they have both developed over time, however Maldonado has gradually got worse with regards to both spacial awareness and racing wheel to wheel.
Nesto
8th June 2014, 21:01
This was better than Bahrain, which was amazing. Much drama in this gp, Massa added the cherry on top. Perez held RBR up, otherwise Riccardio would’ve got P1 much sooner. Stunning, breathtaking race! I’m not crazy bout 2014 cars and im an Alonso-diehard but this is the 2nd absolute classic this year.
Serban7 (@serr7)
8th June 2014, 21:22
I couldn’t agree more
Theo Parkinson (@theo-hrp)
8th June 2014, 21:26
Agreed. Add that on to the great race in Monaco and the good races in Spain and Australia and this is an amazing year.
Hamilfan (@hamilfan)
8th June 2014, 21:02
Happy for Ric . Rosberg having luck on his hands I believe. He may win the championship or he may not .
Bobby (@f1bobby)
8th June 2014, 21:07
Unless the DNFs even out Hamilton hasn’t got a prayer.
William Stuart (@williamstuart)
8th June 2014, 21:17
It’s the most depressing thing isn’t it, worse than if Liverpool lose the title at the last minute… Could be a depressing season of sport. But it’s racing, and the only way to look at it is that Rosberg will certainly get his share of unreliability, I’m hoping that at the very least the number of DNF’s even out, so it is a fair run to the title.
smokinjoe (@smokinjoe)
8th June 2014, 21:10
great race by daniel ricciardo so happy for him….but massa is soo stupid and impatient he could have waited a few corner he can overtake perez but he just made that crazy move
Ben (@scuderia29)
8th June 2014, 21:25
@smokinjoe naa perez braked so early, massa couldnt have predicted it
spoutnik (@spoutnik)
8th June 2014, 21:51
Early sudden brake from Perez, watch it again mate.
spoutnik (@spoutnik)
8th June 2014, 21:55
@smokinjoe
https://vine.co/v/MD0BgJYVeam
smokinjoe (@smokinjoe)
8th June 2014, 22:03
@spoutnik from this angle it looks more like massa fault ..he did moved a bit right and made that contact
spoutnik (@spoutnik)
8th June 2014, 22:11
@smokinjoe most probably a (weird) racing incident, both moved toward one another, but stewards will decide.
smokinjoe (@smokinjoe)
8th June 2014, 22:22
@spoutnik i agree it was a miscalculation from both the drivers under stress.Perez slowed down way too much and moved left to defend and with massa DRS open perez simply misjudged the speed and massa just bumped into perez, but irrespective of who fault was that, massa had the chance to win the race he had the car and strategy to win it in final ten laps but he just blew it ..massa is a great racer but mental bit fragile
hemzshaw
8th June 2014, 21:36
Massa just ruined it for me. I was on the edge of my seat and was runningnmy nails. Tha was exhilarating until lap 69.
I know Perez moved left but that is becoz he was getting far too close to Vettel. But Massa can’t race as well. Felt really sad for Sat. Perez made my day.
hemzshaw
8th June 2014, 21:37
*rubbing my nails
Antonio Nartea (@tony031r)
8th June 2014, 22:02
Makes me wonder how bad things are at Sauber right now if with this rate of attrition in the field and Raikkonen’s pace and error they still couldn’t pull a “Marussia” and snatch a point with Sutil.
SuperIU
8th June 2014, 22:52
It was Massa fault. If he avoid the contact there, he would crash Perez in the corner anyway. Massa was too much optimistc and has to be puniched with grid positions
Nick (@npf1)
8th June 2014, 23:14
I still don’t know how Button got 4th. He was behind Hulkenberg and Alonso one lap, the next he’s 4th.. Great stuff from him too.
Paul (@frankjaeger)
9th June 2014, 1:29
Great race and crazy result. I wanna see Button’s takes on Alonso and Hulk!!