Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, Spa-Francorchamps, 2014

Magnussen drops from sixth to twelfth after penalty

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Kevin Magnussen, McLaren, Spa-Francorchamps, 2014Kevin Magnussen has been moved down to 12th in the final classification for the Belgian Grand Prix after being given a 20-second time penalty.

The McLaren driver had the time added to his finishing position after the stewards ruled he “forced car 14 [Fernando Alonso] off the track between turns four [Raidillon] and five [Les Combes].”

“The driver of car 20 [Magnussen] was defending his position on the straight between turns four and five,” the stewards noted. “A significant portion of car 14 was alongside car 20.”

“The driver of car 20 did not leave enough space for car 14 and forced the car off the track.”

Magnussen was also awarded two penalty points on his licence, giving him a total of four, which is the most any driver has at the moment. Pastor Maldonado and Jules Bianchi are also on four penalty points.

The change to the finishing order means Jenson Button moves up to sixth place ahead of Alonso, Sergio Perez, Daniil Kvyat and Nico Hulkenberg – the latter promoted to the final points-paying position.

Magnussen is classified 12th behind Jean-Eric Vergne.

See the updated finishing positions and points standings after Magnussen’s penalty

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    98 comments on “Magnussen drops from sixth to twelfth after penalty”

    1. Completely deserved.

      1. Main broadcast had stupid copper cam at that point and I didnt see any replays either.

        So, have you actually seen if Alonso was alongside (front wing on level or rear tires) before gap disappeared? Because Magnussen didnt have to give room, if Alonso put tire off before he got alongside. And that video, which I saw, dont really tell which order things happened.

        And I dont trust F1 stewards, I want to see it myself :-S

        1. Here’s a video of the action. Alonso is “pushed” off at about thirty seconds.
          Alonso appears to be half way alongside Magnussen.

          1. Liam McShane (@)
            24th August 2014, 18:03

            Wrong incident. That manouver was fine and perfectly legal. The one they are on about is before turn 5.

            1. Wrong incident but still it was the same corner Magnussen had pulled across dangerously earlier onto Fernando. F1 drivers can’t do that, unless you’re Schumacher, Vettel or Perez…

              In 2014 that kind of disrespectful driver is unacceptable, ok the first was from another era with too slack stewards, the second was the hero poster boy but Perez got dumped for being an insane driver.

              If Magnusson wants to progress in F1 he needs to defend by not chopping the path of another driver…that era is long gone! Thankfully.

            2. @CommonSense: How you can say its right corner when penalty had nothing to do with any corner? And it didnt even happen anywhere nearby rivage. lol

              Magnussen got punished because of what happened on Kemmel straight and so far I havent seen any reasonable footage about it. I dont trust F1 stewards nor any retard comment automate, I would like to see it myself :-S

            3. I said same corner had done a similar/worse move lap(s) before when Fernando was level with rear wheel…lucky to get off these but thankfully pinged for idiotic move here – correct place he was given penalty;


              If “people” don’t understand from this then they have never raced and know nothing about the rules.

          2. wrong incident. This was Magnussen defending strongly and fairly. The incident he was penalized for was later in a run up to Les Combes where he ran Alonso wide at terrific speed. One step over the line that he had been balancing on for a long time. Magnusson has a lot to learn, but he is still the best rookie since Bottas.

        2. I agree on the camera work there, yeah.

          Alonso certainly was next to Magnussen in the incident he (MAG) was penalized for, a different one than what is shown on the video posted by @eriko – the rule about leaving space is for the straights, not for corners.

      2. Does that put Foce India back ahead of McLaren?

      3. No way. At the very least Alonso ran wide and thus got a better run out of the previous corner which is absolutley an unfair advantage.

        1. @roland You’re thinking of the wrong incident. Magnussen was penalized for pushing Alonso to the grass towards the end of the Kemmel Straight. Could’ve been dangerous at 340 kph. Just ask Kimi…

      4. +1. Thoroughly deserved. His driving, not just with Alosno, but with all 3 of them on those closing laps was far too aggressive.

        1. Not just with those three. Beforehand there was a situation where he was “waiting” on the straight to see if the car behind (Perez?) would try the inside or outside line and only after the driver behind made his move Magnussen decided to make the exact same move. The camera angle I saw of the Alonso incident on Kemmel wasn’t really clear but I can easily imagine him doing the same with Alonso but the spaniard was having none of that. Similarly I think it is all fair to use the whole width of a corner to claim it, but it is a different thing when you know there is no place for the other guy to go because he is too far alongside you to just brake and get behind you again so he has to go wide and leave the track, which is what he did to Button.
          It is a bit disappointing because without all this Alonso might have been able to pass earlier and get himself ahead of the fight for position and got himself a fifth place, but mistakes are made and it is too late to reverse them. Now a rookie got himself a penalty and will do it differently in the future. Life goes on (at Merc it will go on too).

    2. I think it would have been unfair not to penalize him and the person in his very seat last year got a penalty for a similar incident.

    3. Correct decision

      1. By this decision the FIA is telling drivers to simply step aside when someone tries to pass. Thus discouraging racing. A 20 sec penalty is way to harsh. Had Magnussen let Alonso pass he would not have lost 20 seconds.

        Why wasn’t Alonso punished for “causing a collision” when he crashed into Vettel in the last lap ?
        Personally, I think Magnussen did a great job defending his position and Alonso was crying like a baby, like he did on Silverstone when he was racing Vettel.

        1. Funny thing is, if Vettel had suffered from a puncture, they might have investigated the last lap crash between him and Alonso … double standards …

        2. Well to be fair to Alonso – he didnt whine when interviewed about this after the race. To me, his comments were full of class. He obviously didn’t care about the position but about having (safe) fun while racing:

          Alonso was relatively unflustered by the late-race incident, saying: “When you are fighting for lower positions, sixth or seventh or whatever, it’s a little bit less important.

          “You just try to have fun, with safety as well, but it was not a big deal.” :)

        3. By this decision the FIA is telling drivers to simply step aside when someone tries to pass. Thus discouraging racing. … Why wasn’t Alonso punished for “causing a collision” when he crashed into Vettel in the last lap ?

          Always apply the “if there was a wall”-rule.

      2. His move was dangerous. Alonso could have lost control of that Ferrari.

    4. That’s a rather harsh penalty, no? If this deserves 20 seconds and penalty points surely rosberg on Hamilton could have had a 5 sec stop/go?

      1. @mhonners It’s a time penalty in lieu of a drive-through which there wasn’t sufficient time to impose. It was a clear transgression so no complaint from me. It’s a shame because apart from that his defensive moves were really spot-on, firm but fair – he held his own against a trio of world champions.

        1. agree completely

        2. Thanks Keith, makes more sense now.

        3. Finally! My one complaint about Magnussen has been that he seemed a bit too much in awe – if you want to succeed in Formula One, you need to get the respect of your peers. If they don’t respect you, they will expect you to be a pushover next time, they come across your car. Now he has finally shown that he has more than air between his legs and that will surely benefit him next time a (former) world champion tries to overtake him. By the way – how come Vettel didn’t get a warning for the way he squeezed Magnussen several times when he overtook him? There was plenty of space to Vettel’s left.

        4. Couldn’t agree more.

      2. Fully agree. Again, no consistency providing penalties.

          1. You could bet the other way round though that Hamilton would have done

            1. Also how is this a bigger offense than Alonso pit crew being on the grid at the start of formation lap?

    5. Rosberg took the race leader and championship contender out of the race, nothing happens.

      Magnussen squeezes a car wide and gets 20 sec penalty, hilarious.

      1. it is not hilarious. Rosbergs move was unintentional, while Magnussens was.

        1. kpcart, you just beat me by two seconds :)

        2. If I may play devil’s advocate: Magnussen was penalised early on in the season for giving Kimi a puncture. The reason cited was “causing a collision”.

          Rosberg’s move was extremely similar to what Magnussen did to Raikkonen in Malaysia, and Magnussen was issued a penalty for it. On those grounds, N has a case for questioning the fairness of penalty applications.

          Of course, the marshals are about as consistent as month-old rice pudding when it comes to issuing penalties, so there’s also precedent for them to not penalise Rosberg. Given that the stewards reportedly rely on complaints to issue penalties, it could also be that Mercedes opted not to make an issue of Rosberg hitting Hamilton. No point ruining the races of both of their drivers, is there?

      2. Penalties are (or at least should be) given with no thought to championship standings. Nico’s move was not great, and was aggressive, but it was a matter of tenths of a second decision making, not reactive like Magnussons move on Alonso. Racing incident, straight up. Watch the replays and ask yourself what you would have done in their place.

    6. Too tough – had his last name been Alonso or Vettel he would not have been penalised for this defence

      1. But if his last name was Maldonado people would’ve made a much bigger deal of him almost forcing someone onto the grass on the Kemmel straight. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

        1. There must be room for battle or F1 get lost in judicial procedures. Look at The penalty after The Perez and Massa in Canada and compare to this – out of proportion.

          1. Sure there has to be room for battle so long as the battle takes place on the track and not with one driver having 2 wheels on the grass on a very high speed straight. Alonso doesn’t have to spin and crash for the defense to be deemed too aggressive.

            However I will agree that the penalty is too harsh but letting him get away with it was hardly an option.

      2. Ridiculus, but the newbies just told, dont race a former WC..

      3. A guy named Alonso got a 5 second stop and go today. Just saying.

        1. Well a 5 second stop for something that is atrocious as it can be and could be penalized as much as a lose tyre after pits. He got off lightly.

    7. Too harsh for me. Had Alonso hit the wall and lost a handful of points then fair play but since there was no real loser here I think a reprimand, a stern talking to and a five second add on would have sufficed.

      1. safety rules have to be proactive. it is too late to enforce a rule if Alonso is in the hospital severely injured. this is a good rule and should be enforced no matter who the drivers involved are.

        1. I don’t really understand your comment @slowhands. The decision was always going to be taken after the race. I think a 20 second penalty should be reserved for when the defending driver significantly changes the attacking drivers race. Through loss of front wing or puncture etc. Magnusson did not excessively weave and had countless attacks on him all afternoon and defended perfectly but for this incident. In this case there was a backmarker (Ericsson) to his left and obviously saw Alonso very late and made a small error. Since there was no real time loss for either I don’t see where 20 seconds can come from: it was not a malicious move and Magnusson did not excessively weave. A talking to would have at least allowed him to keep points he undoubtably deserved for his drive today.

          1. Yes, sorry, confusing to me as well re-reading. What I meant to say was with safety, in order for a rule to be in the front of a driver’s mind, ie affect behavior proactively when consequences can vary but can include serious injury or death, the penalty must be invariant upon the consequences, ie based on violating the rule rather than waiting to see what the result is. That has a better chance of controlling driver behavior than one where the offender might gamble on the worst not happening and getting away with a light penalty. I believe he did change Alonso’s race, because Alonso had the inside and was in good position to take the corner. Alonso was a bit faster at that point and could have finished several positions up had he gotten by as I don’t think Button would have had anything for him.

      2. @rbalonso
        This is the same reason why drivers like Gilles Villeneuve and Ayrton Senna lost their lives on track, the FIA actually implemented severe safety procedures just after their deaths. Magnussen drive was agressive and very dangerous, throwing a driver off the track at 320 Kph in a place where run off area are minimized is very dangerous. I’m pretty confident that if it was another driver apart from Alonso it would have been a very serious accident.
        What i hope is that KMag will learn from this penalty and improve his racing because the guy in my opinion have talent but he need to cool down a little bit.

        1. @slowhands & @tifoso1989. I understand and completely agree with where you’re coming from re safety. I just think that the sport loses a great deal of respect by not applying consistent penalties. For me that would never have warranted a drive through during the race if it occurred on lap 20. Also if we look back to Alonso and Rosberg in Bahrain 2012 (albeit on tarmac) there was no punishment whatsoever. I also think if it had been Hamilton and Vettel in the last laps there would not be a retrospective punishment. While these are hypotheticals, I don’t think we should overly punish Mag for being a rookie. Penalty points, a stewards meeting complete with the world champions’ opinion and a five/ten second penalty would more than learn a lesson here. Thinking of other scenarios that have lead to 20 second penalties, they are normally the result of ruining a race. I simply feel Mag did a great job defending from Alonso all day and deserved points for it given 8 points is crucial in their battle with Force India. If Ericsson wasn’t there and he weaved across from far left to the position of the move what penalty would be applied? Imo it would be the one given out so that is why I don’t think it’s justified.

    8. A tad too harsh – even as an Alonso fan – something which dropped him just behind Alonso would’ve been enough, I think (as it was he against who he committed the violation).

    9. this is ridiculous. didn’t the FIA say they would stop giving out penalty for minor incidents such as this? what a joke!

      1. Forcing another driver onto WET grass at 200mph down a straght is not what I would consider a ‘minor incident’.

        There was plenty of other bits of good racing today (Including my Magnussen) without the defending driver resorting to forcing the other car off track down the straght.

        If the FIA were to take no action then it would imply that this sort of driving is acceptable which it just isn’t. I’ve seen that sort of driving cause some monumental accidents over the years & its about time that a clear message was sent about it been unacceptable.

        1. they were hardly going 200 mph there, and the grass wasn’t wet. amgnussen only got a penalty because ferrari were pushing it.

          1. Yes they were going 200 mph. What speed did you think they were going along the straight to Les Combes? Some were doing 210 mph with slipstream.

    10. I was hugely impressed by Magnussen this weekend but that move on Alonso was just a bit too much at those speeds. That cost him a DOTW vote, which is clearly more important than a sixth place ;)

    11. Stupid decision. His defending was perfectly legal and just because he was defending against Alonso who is popular, he gets a penalty.

      1. @ultimateuzair
        Forcing someone off-track on a straight is not ‘perfectly legal’

        1. I guarantee if that driver Magnussen was defending was Maldonado, there would be no penalty and I think the penalty was too harsh. Maybe a 10 second penalty at best but nothing more.

          1. @ultimateuzair Do 10-second penalties exist in F1?

            1. I think any multiple of 5 is possible

          2. IF it had been Maldonado the penalty would have been much greater, even before the stewards got involved.

      2. F1 FIA Sporting Regulation:

        20.4 Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. […] For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’.

        20.5 Manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are not permitted.

        I really do not understand why people talk about a “perfectly legal” move when clearly it isn’t. If you don’t know even know the rules of the sport you follow, go read them instead of posting random opinion.

        And quite frankly, even if you don’t know the exact rules, if you think that pushing a driver on the grass at 300km/h to defend your position is a legal move, well…

        Funny: of all the drivers that got passed at the end of Kemmel today, Magnussen was the only one smart enough to push the opponent on the grass. Ah, if only the other drivers would have thought of that!

    12. Correct decision, and fair. Mags violated a specific rule about leaving a car-width when defending a car alongside you. Putting Alonso in the grass at that speed put Alonso at high risk of losing control of his car and a serious shunt. Doesn’t matter who the drivers are, this rule should be enforced.

    13. Wait, no action against Rosberg for his very similar move on Alonso at Bahrain 2012, but for Magnussen they do give a penalty?

      A shame.

      1. Because it wasn’t similar.

        In Bahrain, Rosberg moved to the line first and Alonso did not have any part of his car alongside Nico until AFTER he left the track. Exactly the same thing that happened with Rosberg and Hamilton. Hamilton and Alonso both left the track before they got alongside Rosberg.

        In today’s race, Alonso was in fact alongside Mag BEFORE he was pushed off the track, hence the penalty.

        Mag had a cracking race today but as far as I can see, the penalty was fair.

    14. That kinda screamed for a penalty, but I think 20s is too harsh. I suppose the stewards are counting this as a drive through. But then again, no consistency.

    15. Look at recent Alonso and Vettel where no one got penalised. It is called racing for a reason

      1. @lars totally with you on this. I was blown away by Magnussen’s brilliant and creative defending. By far the most exciting action of the whole race. Here was a rookie against a collection of 7 WDCs racing his heart out.
        Absolutely fantastic stuff and driver of the race for me.

        This penalty is a blatant show of inconsistency at best and cynical at worst (i.e. Ferrari screamed loud enough on this occasion.)

    16. Rosberg hitting Hamilton, No Issue, Alonso hitting Vettel no Issue, Magnussen defending Alonso, 20 Sec.

      1. It’s not really like that. Hitting another car is an accident, pushing another car off track is done on purpose.

    17. an_unknown_guy
      24th August 2014, 17:05

      Ridiculous penalty! Stewards are punishing drivers because they are racing!? Ridiculous!

    18. Many here are unaware that when penalties are handed out AFTER a race, they take effect on the next race, or the drivers are penalised 20s, no less. (Vettel, Hockenheim, 2012)
      Magnussen was great in defending but pushing a driver on grassat high speeds is very dangerous (Vettel again, Monza 2012). We dont need to wait for a driver to get seriously injured for a knee jerk reaction, like the one in here at 2012.

      He didnt deserve to get.dropped out of the points like this, But Alonso and Button didnt deserve wjat they go

      1. What they got either*

    19. They were racing hard which is what I want to see. Typical of the stewards!

    20. Most of the commenters have 2 two problems with this penatly.
      1) MAG gets a penalty, while ROS and ALO don’t.
      The ROS-HAM and ALO-VET incidents were unintentional, while MAG forcing ALO off the road was clearly intentional, so thats the difference.

      2) Too harsh
      As Keith already wrote, a drive through penatly was given after the race, and +20 sec is the standard way of applying it.

      I think MAG’s defensive moves were really good, but some of them were on the edge of sportsmanship. Some of his late moves were clearly legal, but tottaly unfair. ALO did the same thing to VET in Silverstone, so he doesn’t get to be upset about it. But I think he shouldn’t resort to the same dangerous moves against his teammate. Fair play to BUT for not mentioning it in the post-race interviews.

      1. It was a GP2 style of defending, and he would have got a penality in GP2

    21. I think it only worth 5sec penalty. 20s is definitely too harsh. It’s a lighter infringement vs the one Ferrari did at the start of the race where the mechanics were still attending Alonso’s car.

    22. They showed a bunch of replays on Sky & having seen those I feel it was the correct decision.

      Down the straght Kevin moved to defend & initially left a car width which Alonso went for, He got part way alongside & then Kevin moved again which forced Alonso onto the grass.

      Remember that the wording of the regulations says that you must leave a driver room & must not force another car off track once they have a part of there car alongside. Seems pretty clear to me that Kevin broke that as he didn’t leave room & did force Fernando off once Fernando had more than a small part of his car alongside.

      Also consider these additional factors, Alonso was coming with much more speed thanks to DRS & the grass was likely wet after all the rain through the weekend & both of those factors could have resulted in a sizable accident (Which have happened at that part of the track before due to that sort of driving).

    23. I think most people are enraged at Rosberg’s lack of penalty than the penalty handed out to Mag. Hence the comments saying its harsh. Kemmel straight, side by side, two wheels on grass, Penalty deserved.

      Not like it is the first time he is involved in a incident.

    24. I think I penalty is good mostly, but not this harsh. Maybe a 10s penalty? Yeah, he pushed ALO totally off-track although more than half of his car was alongside MAG, so something should have been done. Regarding the fights between ALO and VET from Silverstone etc, they raced hard and were on the limit, but they did not push each other off track, that’s for sure.

      1. So, I don’t think the comparison stands.

        1. There’s also the point even though Alonso and Vettel were throwing aggressive moves at each other, I think there was contact only once, and it was pretty light. Most of the enragement about that battle was Alonso taking a late apex at Luffield (? The one that leads to the other pits), but he had been doing that the entire race.

    25. So are the stewards saying that over-aggressively defending your position is more dangerous and deserves a higher penalty than cynically/deliberately sending your pit crew onto the grid during the formation lap?

      .. or is the old Ferrari rearing it’s head again, where inconsistent decisions always seemed to fall in their favour. I hope not – I’ve actually started to like them a little since the Todt/Schumacher days.

      1. @fletchuk
        I do believe this is more dangerous than some people not really leaving the car. That happened at the very beginning of the FL, when the race hadnt even started, there are lots of pedestrians everywhere. The Magnussen incident however happened at the point of the track where speed is highest, everyone is more or less on old tires and there’s barely any run off.

      2. The stewards can only hand out penalties according to the rule-book, so I think it´s a failure of the rules rather than the stewards that makes sending out the crew when other cars are already moving and thus taking the 5-sec penalty the preferable option for the team, instead of having the car start from the back (which would have happened if the crew had waited till the other cars had left).

        1. My understanding is that the stewards could have chosen from a variety of penalties for Ferarri’s deliberate safety breach right up to exclusion/black flag no?

          I agree however it seems the only penalty available to them for KMag was the 20 seconds which I think everyone agrees is an issue with the rules.

    26. Nikolaj Petersen
      24th August 2014, 19:39

      I think some people are discussing the wrong incident. This is the one he was penalized for, not the incident a few turns later….

    27. A penalty was required and it was fair from the FIA. But regarding Magnussen’s race, today he was finally, as Whitmarsh once told Perez, “getting his elbows out”. I felt he was defending firmly but very fairly against such strong drivers (including his team-mate!). And he showed good pace, running as high as 5th at one point. The result was disappointing but the qualifying and race performances were impressive. Good on him.

    28. I think KM’s driving was getting quite lairy in that race and the stewards decision had a certain cumulative element to it rather than just the Alonso incident he got done for.

    29. Probably deserved a penalty, although that 4 car fight was one of the most entertaining parts of the whole race.

      20 seconds and 2 penalty points is harsh though, especially compared to Ferrari/Alonso only receiving a 5 seconds stop go for having mechanics running all over the track during start of formation lap.

      But I’ve given up a long time ago in the hope for consistency on penalties in F1.

    30. A lot of people are confusing the penalty with a different incident. The penalty was given for dangerous driving at Les Combs straights.

    31. #Lars I completely agree with you – for me tthis was on of the best races this season.
      Kevin was Icecold and it was racing all the way – even after the Race both Button, Vettel and Alonso admitted they enjoyed the fight between them!!! without this kind of action F1 is dead boring and will loose its attraction! Kevin was my man of the Race – penalty or not!

    32. Being danish – I may be the best to judge.
      But I believe this is the incident?
      Its a short video – but It does appear Alonso is push a bit too wide.

    33. I need to review the footage before making a judgement, but my immediate impression is MAG didn’t deserve this penalty.


      Alonso is equally to blame for being forced onto the grass. He didn’t back off, (Nor should he), but as a result of being a race car driver it seemed he was flat out on the grass without lifting, which too me is dangerous and not necessarily the fault of Mag being too defensive.

      Not lifting the accelerate is really dangerous as we saw Raikkonen doing a similar stunt at Silverstone, and Maldonado not lifting the accelerator once he was on the grass earlier in the weekend. – Both ending sadly.

      Looking back at Silverstone once again, Vettel struggled to get past Alonso who was driving a very very defensive racing line (similarly to Mag). And on more than one occasion Alonso and Vettel nearly collided if Vettel had not of lifted off the throttle. Hypothetically, why could assume that in most of the scenario’s, if Vettel had never of lifted off in his overtaking manoeuvres, there would have been an accident, and the fault would have been likely to be a result of Alonso’s overly aggressive defensive driving. Thus I see Magnussen driving no worse or deserving of a penalty of then Alonso’s defensive driving at Silverstone. The responsibility of avoiding an accident and being ‘safe’ is shared equally, not penalising and accusing just the one driver (MAG)

      Not sure if any of that made sense?

      1. To me your comment make a lot of sense – The stewards are not consistent in their penalties and it is not fair to a rookie

    34. The television footage of the Magnussen penalty incident wasn’t very good, they only showed a helicopter camera view of the end of the incident so it was hard to really get full understanding of it at the time, then BBC didn’t go into any more detail after the race focusing more what was happening at Mercedes.

      Also Alonso didn’t seem to be complaining about it after the race as you would expect if it was so bad, so when it was announced that Magnussen had received the penalty dropping him to twelfth I wasn’t pleased with the decision.

      However I trust that since the stewards have access to lot more footage and data the penalty was justified.

      What really annoyed me was that the stewards did not even investigate Rosberg hitting Hamilton. I know the rules have changed but it isn’t that long ago that Rosberg would defiantly received a penalty for what happened, effectively ending his championship rivals race.

      Even if he had received a 10 second stop-go penalty he probably would have still picked up some points.

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