Button rues not mimicking Vettel’s late pit stop

15 comments on “Button rues not mimicking Vettel’s late pit stop”

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   @HoHum (@hohum)
   2nd November 2014, 23:57

   To much tyre, not enough driver, that’s a big part of what’s wrong with F1 now.
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      Jake (@jleigh)
      3rd November 2014, 0:03

      Couldn’t disagree more. 2 stops is a decent amount to mix up strategies and give more oppurtunity to overtake. In Russia, we barely saw any degradation, and it meant drivers couldn’t get close and show their overtaking skills. The fact the tyres bring the cars closer together means we get to see the skill of the drivers racing wheel to wheel.
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         Toysoldier
         3rd November 2014, 0:08

         The problems in Russia was fuel consumption, forcing drivers to cruise around the track to save fuel.
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      Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
      3rd November 2014, 0:42

      @hohum I think it’s more complex than that. Stops are far quicker and DRS makes overtaking a given if you have any sort of advantage in traction.

      DRS is what kills it. It used to be “one thing is catching others, another thing is overtaking”. Now it’s a matter of catching, because overtaking will happen sooner or later on most tracks, even if there’s a top speed deficit in normal conditions.

      So defending is rendered useless. Not only it eats more tyres, but it’s also a ridiculous, pointless effort because no matter what you do, you’re going to be overtaken anyway.
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         @HoHum (@hohum)
         3rd November 2014, 1:11

         @fer-no65, I agree that DRS and comedy tyres are both ruining F1, and on top of that each of them is contrary to the other, DRS is supposed to compensate for the inability of a car to follow close behind another car through corners due to lack of grip caused by turbulent air stalling the front wing, but now not only does the following car lose grip but they accelerate wear of these crap tyres by following close enough to take advantage of their DRS, once the pass takes place the tyre wear advantage is lost, all that happens is more pit stops and more emphasis on getting cars away from other cars to avoid premature tyre wear.
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   Palle (@palle)
   3rd November 2014, 0:17

   I’m sure Button wouldn’t have been able to mimic Vettel, not even if he had pitted 3 or 5 laps earlier than Vettel did. I think Vettel pitted too late, and it surprised me that he got back up to 7th, but that was probably due to the fact that the RBR this weekend was able to get to the podium, and it was fast on the softs, which the McLaren wasn’t.
   But I think that McLaren shouldn’t have pitted Magnussen during the safety car, whereas Buttons early pitstop seem to be a good idea, which almost worked out had he taken better care of them for them to last 3 or 4 laps more, but he fought very well.
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      @HoHum (@hohum)
      3rd November 2014, 1:15

      Indeed @palle, Button did fight very well so as a result the tyres went away and lost him all he had worked for.
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   Hubert Reinartz
   3rd November 2014, 0:45

   Couldn’t agree more and even go beyond the stupid tire theatre: Get rid of all the gimmicks, give the drivers a real race car and you will save tons of money and gain even more fun for everybody! Give us back Formula 1 RACING!
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   Paul (@frankjaeger)
   3rd November 2014, 0:49

   I knew that pitstop by the Mclaren crew looked fast. It had to be a 2.2 or near. Any idea of the stationary time? The highlights just missed it out when it was about to reveal
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      Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty)
      3rd November 2014, 1:07

      @frankjaeger I saw Button’s pit entry for that stop, he really left nothing on the table at pit entry. I am surprised it was .4 clear though as a whole stop! Another reason why they should have pitted again…. I’d apply for a job in McLaren’s pit strategy team, but they’d tell me I’m not qualified enough no doubt..

      PS. TV race control this race was noticeably erratic.
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         Paul (@frankjaeger)
         3rd November 2014, 1:12

         Hahaha yeah they really seem to have dropped the ball at a couple of crucial points this year. I find myself doing the now-typical ‘Mclaren will bounce back’ thing in my head at every race @fastiesty
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            Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty)
            3rd November 2014, 1:42

            @frankjaeger I’ve dropped so many points in prediction championships from thinking McLaren were not running light in practice/would score points/wouldn’t mess up pit strategy/would have upgrades that finally work….
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               Paul (@frankjaeger)
               3rd November 2014, 11:28

               @fastiesty Likewise bro, the list goes on. I always put Button in for a 5th place, rarely materialises
5. 

   Chris Case
   3rd November 2014, 21:22

   Is this sort of strategy discussion not banned with the new FIA rules?
6. 

   HK (@me4me)
   4th November 2014, 14:57

   Mclaren is probably on Williams level when it comes to confidens. They do not yet have the winning mentality Redbull and Mercedes have to make the all-or-nothing decisions. It surely will come back once they win a championship again. But when the team is lower down and needs every point, they’re automatically overly carefull. But anyway, I might be over-analysing this :)

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