Sebastian Vettel, Race of Champions, London, 2015

Vettel beats Kristensen to win Race of Champions

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  • 67 comments on “Vettel beats Kristensen to win Race of Champions”

    1. Yes (@come-on-kubica)
      22nd November 2015, 0:05

      It always upsets me seeing Kubica and what could have been. Wouldn’t be surprised if he picked up a world title by now.

      1. @come-on-kubica I was about to say the same. It makes me really sad reading about Robert. Everytime there’s some news about him, and his whereabouts, it upsets me because he’d be mixing with the top guys in F1 right now…

        Just thinking about what could’ve been… Robert in 2012 with Lotus could’ve been superb for the sport, the fans and the competition.

        1. Yes (@come-on-kubica)
          22nd November 2015, 0:25

          Yeah, he would have run against Kimi well or even against Alonso in a Ferrari. There’s so much bad luck in Kubica’s career. If BMW didn’t give up with that 2008 car and decide to make that rubbish 09 car, he could already be a world champion. He’s still my favourite driver and I still believe he was the best driver on that very talented 2010 grid.

      2. Whenever I see him I can’t help but think of how lucky he is to be alive after his huge crash in Canada, that was a genuinely frightening crash to watch.
        He may have lost his place in F1, but at least he got there, and got to show us how good he is. Probably earned himself a spot amongst the list of best drivers not to win a WDC too.

    2. Vettel has never left RoC without a trophy
      I feel that in 2014 Vettel has suffered a lot by Michael accident and that’s why he did not participate in 2014 RoC

      1. @malik I think you are right

    3. Just read a bit to understand what this Race of Champions is about and realised that Schumacher and Vettel won ROC nations 6 times in a row from 2007-2012!

      Does anybody know who qualifies to be there on personal or team? Seems that for instance Hamilton or Alonso haven’t took part?

      1. It was really good last night, I enjoyed it.
        To qualify, you technically should have won a championship in some kind of motorsport discipline, although there are a few that slip under the radar in that regard..
        Hamilton and Alonso haven’t taken part. If those two enter with Vettel, then someone has to lose, I don’t think Alonso’s or Hamilton’s ego could take it!
        Joking. But I also find Hamilton has a very cynical view on most other forms of motorsport, he has already bluntly stated he has no interest in the WEC etc.

        1. Hamilton will only take part if he is allowed to drive his Mercedes .

          1. Or if he had is own specific strategy engineer.

        2. True though. When they’re all racing exactly the same car – they risk exposing themselves.

          Congrats to Seb

      2. Alonso participated in 2001, but has not taken part since. Hamilton did a demo run in an F1 car one year (I think in his early days at McLaren) but has never competed at ROC. It is an invitation event, I am sure both have been asked to take part and so it seems likely that they have declined.

        There are a group of drivers who are “regulars” most years, and I can see why the organisers ask them back, they clearly enjoy the event (camaraderie and a fun atmosphere is an important part of the event) and they can be relied upon to take part (they are usually left trying to fill some slots very late on so a reliable core of competitors is valuable when arranging such an event). I think they try to get a balance of well known names, including some who are retired, young up and coming talent, and also some spread across different motorsport disciplines.

      3. I believe Hamilton was banned from participating in other forms of Motorsport (including RoC) by his contract with McLaren. No idea what his Mercedes contract is like on that front though

        1. That’s nonsense. Button has been a participant several times. Why would McLaren forbid Hamilton from doing it but allow Button to compete?

          1. Why would McLaren forbid Hamilton from doing it but allow Button to compete?

            Well one reason could be that Button had more bargaining power when he came into McLaren as a well respected, senior World Champion, than Hamilton had as a junior coming into the team and so could negotiate terms like that. I’m not saying that is definitely what happened (because I don’t know), just that Button being allowed to compete doesn’t necessarily mean Hamilton was.

            Regardless of that after actually having a chance to look around on the t’interwebs the only thing I can find regarding it is one forum post

            http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10625

            So I’m quite happy to say it is nonsense too.

            He swapped his car with Tony Stewart when at Mclaren.

            Yeah he’s done some demonstration stuff during his time at McLaren, but I can’t recall him ever doing anything actually competitive.

        2. He swapped his car with Tony Stewart when at Mclaren.

          1. Hamilton was in negotiations for the 2015 FOC event but obviously for some reason he didn’t take part. Maybe they wouldn’t pay him enough lol

    4. Kubica has 14 stage wins in wrc, and many more 2nd and 3rd places. raikonnen had 1 stage win with a better car and team in the same time.. If kubica had a factory drive, or a privateer volkswagon, he would be winning rallies by now, as he already has the speed of the top drivers, including on gravel, and his consistency has improved remarkably. I really hope he stays in wrc, he can be world champion, and that would be more impressive then a f1 title.

      1. Just like in F1, you cannot become world champion without Volkswagen.

      2. I really hope he stays in wrc, he can be world champion, and that would be more impressive then a f1 title.

        Yeah, okay. If you say so.

        1. don’t be rude, think about it logically, in f1 he was destined to be champion – he was a faster driver then Hamilton and rosberg in junior formulae, in rallying he has had to start all over again, and he is a disabled driver, and rallying is much harder with pace notes then going around the same short track hundreds of times, if he achieves a wrc title it will be more impressive, but obviously not to you, so don’t be rude and let me have my opinion.

          1. I suppose you explained yourself better there. I thought you were simply suggesting that winning the WRC is more impressive than winning the F1 championship in a general sense.

            However when did he prove to be faster than Hamilton in junior formulae? I’ve seen that claim a couple of times on this site, with nothing to back it up. Hamilton had superior results, winning 3 titles to Kubica’s 1.

    5. Chris (@tophercheese21)
      22nd November 2015, 5:37

      Anyone know why RoC did not do the Karting race in the end? As was advertised on their website.

      That was literally the only reason I was looking forward to it.

      1. safety reasons, something to do with the tecpro barriers

        1. Yeah apparently they didn’t have enough techpro to cover all the concrete walls/barriers so it couldn’t go ahead on safety grounds.

          1. But they drove Ariel Atoms round and they look more dangerous than a kart.

      2. It states in the article above, read it and quit wasting peoples time.

      3. Did you read the roundup above, its written right there???

      4. There was a puddle of oil in the access and exit tunnels about an inch deep from one of the RoC buggies. Also, the kart in was run by Daytona Karts, not RoC. Their previous race used extra barriers to cover the concrete, but it took about 30 mins to set up. They also had a pit fire, and left the skills course covered in petrol, earlier in the day.

    6. ColdFly F1 (@)
      22nd November 2015, 7:58

      Felipe Massa: Williams needs to triple development

      110% is not enough nowadays, though others are redoubling their efforts.

      1. I think they should also not refrain from appealing penalties based on the cost of the appeal/fees for next year :)

    7. I’m not so sure the BBC going to a highlights only deal would be a bad thing. The quality of their non-race coverage has dropped significantly since the first couple of years, the races are becoming less interesting, and the BBC have such high quality editors and producers that the cuts are seamless.

      Do I care if the race is a few hours later than the start and I don’t have to watch 30 processional laps where the commentators are struggling to come up with talking points which they’ll then have to rehash in the post race coverage?

      Not really.

      1. Yep, now given a choice I sometimes watch the highlights on iPlayer instead of the full delayed race.

        The Beeb could make a lot of additional revenues if they allow non-UK residents to sign up to use iPlayer, IMHO. Sure, maybe not for sports and other events with backward territorial licensing schemes, but at least for their original productions…

        1. The Beeb could make a lot of additional revenues if they allow non-UK residents to sign up to use iPlayer, IMHO.

          I’m not sure if they’d be able to do that; given they’re funded by the public rather than by advertising, they’re restricted in ways commercial TV isn’t.

        2. The BBC have a commercial arm, BBC Worldwide, to make money in overseas markets which is quite successful.

          Really though media sales as a whole, tv, film, or music is still embarrassingly stuck in the mid 20th century where distribution was based around getting a physical object in the hands of a local insider or person “in the know” who could persuade people to watch it. The idea that a big media company needs to rely on a local to sell into a foreign market is nonsense.

      2. They should just ditch it and let Channel 4 pick up the rights, as they tried to do when the BBC changed to this split deal with Sky.

        Alternatively, Bernie could show he is part of the 21st century and introduce live streaming of races over the web for a small subscription fee per month or per race (say $10). Get commentators for all the major languages (say Brundle and Coulthard for the UK) and hey presto! No need for Sky and no fear of adverts during the races like with ITV.

        1. You can already pay for the race only with Now TV.

    8. ROC was fun to watch. Vettel was on it the whole weekend. Congratz to him.

    9. I feel like Webber is again shadowed by a German driver’s success. That’s some bad luck.

      1. Now that he’s champion, he should join ROC next year and team up with Ricciardo!

        1. Not sure that would do him any good… Or Ricciardo for that matter. Everyone was concerned about Mick Doohan holding him back. He really didn’t.

      2. Exactly! Why is there not a single word in this round-up that Webber has finally become world champion? Where as Vettel only won some kind of fun event.

        1. Why is there not a single word in this round-up that Webber has finally become world champion?

          Because that’ll be in the coming motorsport round-up instead.

        2. @unitedkingdomracing Because this is an F1 site, so reporting on what F1 drivers do makes sense. It’s not a WEC site. Perhaps there should be wecfanatic.co.uk for that or maybe if you did a google search perhaps there is a site you can discuss it on somewhere?

          1. Kubica? WRC? “This is an F1 site, so reporting on what F1 drivers do makes sense.” lol Your argument is totally floored. I do not see Kubica on the F1 grid even though I would like to. Good of you Monobe to go out of your way to attempt to put a negative spin on Webber’s success. Subtle but very nasty. Anyone with a brain can see your agenda there. Webbers win in WEC far out classes Vettel’s victory in the “Race Of Champions”. Light years ahead.

            Regardless – it is good to see both have deserved success. Congratulations to both.

            Looking forward to Keith’s upbeat positive report on Webber’s (and co) victory with great anticipation.

            1. Good of you to read the intentions of random people over the Internet. Subtle but a very nasty spin from you with your agenda against Vettel. Goes both ways I guess.

    10. I don’t understand the ROC, from what I saw Andy Prioxl was unstoppable in every race, how did he not win it? He beat Vettel when I saw him and was easily the quickest in the event.

      1. ROC is run over two days, there are two separate events, both events are a knockout competition, best of 3 runs, so win 2 and you are through to the next round.

        On Friday, it was the Nations Cup a team event (teams of two) which was won by Priaulx & Plato (Team England 1) who beat Vettel & Hulkenberg (Team Germany) in the final.

        On Saturday it was the individual event Champion of Champions, which was won by Vettel who beat Kristiensen in the final, Priaulx was beaten in the quarter finals by Buncombe.

      2. I’d say overall Vettel was on it the whole weekend. He was right up there with all the events, Nations Cup, Race of Champions, and Skills Challenge as well. I mean he was very very good at Skills Challenge too. Most drivers (especially F1 drivers tbh) didn’t even manage to finish it properly and he was amazing. Massa also deserves a mention for Skills Challenge too. You can watch them on ROC channel on Youtube.

        1. @ceng I agree, as you say Seb was strong all weekend in every event, he also won the fastest lap trophy.

          1. Fastest lap trophy? What’s that?

    11. call me a cynic but I could see the karting thing as the kind of event that would be cancelled. it always seemed like a bonus add-on that wasn’t really part of the ticket price.

      1. I will call you a cynic and a non paying customer of the event.

    12. Problems with this event – The Olympic Stadium is tucked away in the south east of London, out of reach for millions of fan who’d want to go. (The place was less than 2/3 full). As this is football stadium, surely it would be better to have it at Aston Villa, or maybe some of the NEC buildings, on the main rail and motorway hub.

      I was there – (frozen), a heck of a lot of waiting and a bit of padding with bikes and driving on two wheels, for small glimpses for a short time of your heros round the track four times. Binoculars would have been useful. The end was an anti-climax with Kristensen into the barrier first corner. I would have wanted to see more heats, the event full of those drivers on the track.

      There was no halfway break for a visit/drink so I nearly missed who I’d come to see. (I was frozen, shivering. Needed some coffee. )

      It’s a bit of fun for drivers, little more. BBC – don’t worry, it’s not worth it. It certainly wasn’t worth £92 tix and £48 trains. A day out and went up the Orbit. Next year? Nope.

      Go Seb!!! You showed Daniel you could beat him in like for like.

      1. The Olympic Park is East London, not South East, it’s north of the river (sorry for picking at that, I live in Newham, so felt the need to say that), I agree though it is a bit out of the way to get to but I still enjoyed to event, and I don’t think any ROC event has ever had a full stadium on either day, so it’s not too surprising it wasn’t full, although the attendance is improving year on year

      2. Not sure if the ending was anti-climatic (in a way, yes, b/c we wanted to see the whole thing unfold). But in another sense, I think it showed how much both drivers wanted it, including TK, and how he felt he needed to go right to the limit (and just slightly beyond). Especially when you consider how close the first race was between them.

        And funny that Seb got to go up against Danny Ric.

    13. The BBC have to cut £35million from their sports budget and have told Ecclestone they want to restructure their deal to include highlights only

      I can’t see the BBC getting out of their agreement without paying a lot to Formula One Group.
      The Telegraph quoted Mr Ecclestone as saying “They don’t have a lot of choice because they’ve got a contract with us. They’re there for another three years.”
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/12004285/Bernie-Ecclestone-turns-down-BBC-plea-to-renegotiate-F1-contract.html

    14. The BBC coverage has now reached the point where I would sooner struggle through with a dodgy stream from Sky F1 than watch it on the BBC even when it is live.

      Firstly the stream quality from the BBC is appalling. I’m on a fast Virgin cable and it will not stream in 720p50hz on race day, I get some ropey washed out SD juddery 25fps. This seems BBC1 and F1 specific as even having a quick look at their current live coverage of the Tennis on BBC2 is high quality -1

      They have Eddie Jordan… -1

      None of their features or analyses goes anything like as in depth as Sky or even their old level of coverage -1

      They don’t have adverts though +1

      1. This seems BBC1 and F1 specific

        It’s not F1 specific; it happens during Doctor Who too.

      2. I’d consider EJ as a +1 personally, and they definitely aren’t as good as sky but at least they aren’t as sensationalistic.

        1. @strontium Eddie Jordan is a total bell-end, like an endlessly embarrassing ‘cool’ ageing uncle…

    15. Didn’t Ricciardo comment some time back about how he wanted to go up against Sebastian in RoC as he didn’t have a strong car underneath him all season? Well, he got his chance and blew it..

      1. Hulkenberg was really good at everything he did this year. In ROC, imo he was also the 2nd best F1 driver overall as well. And he did beat Ricciardo too.

      2. Ric’s performance was kinda surprising. Seb beat him by 0.5s, Hulk beat him twice the day after. And yes, Ricciardo was serious about ROC challenge. It turned to be “back to reality” stuff for him.

    16. I actually marshalled turn three at RoC, and acted as observe the skills challenge. I can tell you I didn’t want it to end. Everyone was focused, yet happy, obliging, patient, smiling, joking. You know the phrase ‘rubbing shoulders’? That’s how it felt. Passing Hulkenberg in the corridor, holding a door for Jolyon Palmer, giving Nic Hamilton a nod, talking cars with Chris Evans, beer with Ricciardo… I could go on. I felt VERY fortunate to be involved, as a massive, massive fan.

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