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Kvyat, Sainz and Gutierrez given penalty points

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Daniil Kvyat has been given three penalty points on his licence for his first-lap collision with Sebastian Vettel.

The Red Bull driver was also given a ten-second stop-and-go penalty – one of the toughest punishments available to the stewards – after making contact with Vettel twice on the opening lap of the race.

“Car 26 [Kvyat] collided with car 5 [Vettel] twice in consecutive turns,” the stewards noted.

Carlos Sainz Jnr and Esteban Gutierrez were also given two penalty points each for further incidents during the race. Sainz was judged to have forced Jolyon Palmer off the track between turns two and three, and Gutierrez was penalised for colliding with Nico Hulkenberg at the start.

Kvyat now has a total of five penalty points while Sainz and Gutierrez have two each. Any driver who accumulates 12 penalty points is automatically given a one-race ban.

Vettel held Kvyat responsible for the first-lap collision which was the second incident involving the pair at the start in as many races.

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28 comments on “Kvyat, Sainz and Gutierrez given penalty points”

  1. Kvyat his actions are perfect for those Youtube videos where they show you russian drivers on their roads via dashcams…

    1. AntoineDeParis (@antoine-de-paris)
      1st May 2016, 15:29

      lol, a Road Rage Ballerina

    2. Big Mag (@)
      1st May 2016, 21:08

      Keith have posted a video of second collision. Vettel slows down in the middle of very fast corner. Kvyat get all the blame, because a three time word champion cannot make mistakes. Kvyat also get penalty point, and all this happens while Hamilton get one reprimand after another. Bernie is rotten, but the rest of F1 is not much better.

      1. And why did Vettel slow down?…because Kvyat damaged his car in the first hit. All Kyvat’s fault.

        1. Big Mag (@)
          1st May 2016, 21:31

          The first incident have happened 100 times in F1. Just a simple first corner incident like so many others. Kvyat made a mistake, but that all. He is no more bully than any of others.

          1. I didn’t reply to anyone else, but this one comment is “special”. In the last decade since these drivers have been on the grid, which are those “100 times” that kind of incident happened in F1? Of course Kvyat made a mistake, and what an understatement that is. Do you think it was a genuine mistake, like him thinking that all the cars in front of him will fit in the corner at once at the same pace as they had on the straight line? Because that would only reveal he has issue up in his ‘attic’. I said it after China race and I will say it again, he either has no regards for what’s about to happen in front of him, or he does not have the capacity to calculate the results of events that are about to unfold; or perhaps he does not care to do that. From my time watching F1, drivers slow before corners, when they 2 or 3 abreast they try to give each other space, and most of them try to anticipate the upcoming moments. But not Kvyat, no, he thinks the road is always straight, he thinks that space is there forever, he thinks that he can keep driving through corners at the same speed as the straight, and he probably thinks that cars in front have a button that makes them fly; although he most likely wishes they would just vanish.

          2. Big Mag (@)
            1st May 2016, 23:28

            You are describing the perfect mind of a F1 driver. Selfish and ruthless. I don’t think Kvyat is there yet. And do you think a Kvyat would risk hes race being to eager to win the race in the first corner? Remember Shumacher, crashing into Hill and winning the championship? Senna and Prost?

  2. I think Kvyat handled himself well in the interview and the Sky team consequently gave him some respect for that.

    It’s going to take a few really solid mistake free performances from here to give him much hope in negotiations for next year.

    The Sainz penalty is a bit harsh I think?

  3. If Sainz deserves 2 points then Kvyat deserves at least 5.

  4. While Kvyat’s contact will rightly attract much attention, I have to say that Sainz worries me. He crosses the line far too often in my view. Whether it’s muscling other drivers off track or moving around in the braking zone, there more than a hint of lower formula silliness from him. I understand that some of the other drivers have had words with him, seemingly without effect.

  5. 3 pts for ending a race and two for shoving a guy away from the track. Some messed up numbers there.

    1. @evered7 admittedly I haven’t seen it, but it doesn’t surprise me.

      Ever since this idea of points was brought in, it has been completely terribly and inconsistently managed. A brilliant idea, but poorly implemented. 2 points for ignoring a blue flag, for example, so a blue flag offense every 4 races means you get an entire ban, meanwhile the average collision gets 2 points, so a collision every 4 races is also a ban (despite this clearly being a much bigger offense). And an extra point if you’re a rookie or Grosjean, because ‘they still need to learn’. Not to mention that all this is for some reason only awarded when they feel like it.

      1. @strontium Kvyat IMO deserved a black flag for the race. They need to revise the numbers as quickly as possible. Don’t think Sainz deserved 2 points if Kvyat is only going to add 3 to his tally.

        Looking at the numbers in your post makes for a dreadful reading as to how the points really work.

        To top the cake, they are not consistent in handing out these points as well as stewards vary for each race.

        Finally like some one mentioned below, he hit Vettel twice in two corners. The first one may have given him suspension damage and the second ensured he broke the front suspension. He can’t be tried twice for the same crime but at least his sentencing could have been big.

  6. So why didn’t we see any of this during the race (be it with direct shots of stop&go or a message at the bottom stating penalties)?

    1. We did. We even had to see his entire 10 seconds stop and go because of lack of on track action…

  7. My opinions point-wise

    Kvyat: five – two for turn 2 and three for turn 3.
    Gutierrez: two is OK
    Sainz: one would have been enough.

  8. Michael Brown (@)
    1st May 2016, 15:37

    Sainz penalty: So they’re penalizing drivers for forcing others off the track? Like how they didn’t do anything for Wehrlein or the times Hamilton forced Rosberg off last year at the first corner?

    1. or Verstappen pushing Kimi off the circuit multiple times during last years US gp and Ricciardo nudging Kimi to the left at Monaco

    2. @mbr-9 It depends where they outside car is relative to the inside car. In the case of Sainz, Palmer was close to level with him and he pushed him off. The cases where they don’t get penalized is generally when the outside car’s front wing is level with or behind the inside car’s airbox. Each corner is different as well. There was no need for Sainz to go completely across the track in this case, but in the case of COTA T1 (for example) the racing line goes all of the way to the edge of the track.

      1. Well said Adam Blocker, that was the exact explanation given by a Dutch driver on tv.
        Sainz was about 2 meters away from Palmer into the corner, therefore he went across the track leaving no space for Palmer. It’s not as much a wrong move than it is an unrespactable move, therefor Sainz reveived the penalty.

        Back on penalties, Kvyat made a severe misjudgement, or better caught Vettel by surprise.
        I just can’t see the difference from Alonso taking out Guiterez, Alonso got away with no penalty at alll…

  9. Why didn’t the stewards treat each of Kvyat’s attempts on Vettel’s car as separate accidents?
    Then given him points twice.

  10. Nobody cares who took out poor Haryanto

    1. @nimba, I believe that Gutierrez ran into the back of Hulkenberg, causing him to spin and damaging both cars. Haryanto seems to have tried to swerve around the back of Hulkenberg’s spinning car, but was struck by Hulkenberg and then tangled with Ericsson as Ericsson tried to go around the outside of Hulkenberg’s stricken car.

      In one way, Haryanto’s misfortunes ironically seem to have come about because he’d managed to make a very strong start – I believe that he’d gained about four places off the start line – which meant he’d caught up with Gutierrez and Hulkenberg just as they collided.

  11. Also why no penalty point to Kvyat for puncturing Perez ?

    1. I think it was Ricciardo who punctured Perez’s tyre – as a result of chain reaction caused by Kvyat.

  12. Stewards are ridiculous

  13. I thought the Sainz penalty was very harsh, I was surprised that it was even investigated let alone that there was a punishment handed out to Sainz as I thought it was just normal racing.

  14. This whole penalty system is a joke.. It’s class justice at it’s best.. F1 big shots trying to tame and penalize drivers they think need it but leave drivers they think do not need it alone.. Sainz penalty was a joke.. But best example of class justice for me is the Max Verstappen penalty last year in Monaco but then Alonse does the same this year and gets nothing.. Again, a joke and class justice..

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