Raikkonen warns Verstappen will cause “a big accident”

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Kimi Raikkonen has warned Max Verstappen risks causing “a big accident” with his defensive moves.

The Ferrari driver said he had to brake to avoid hitting the Red Bull when Verstappen defended his position on the Kemmel straight during the race.

“I’m up for a fair battle and close racing,” Raikkonen said to reporters at Spa, “but when I have to back off after Eau Rouge on the straight I have to brake not to hit him because he turns after when I move first time that I think it’s not correct.”

“And unfortunately there will be a big accident because of that.”

Raikkonen criticised Verstappen strongly on the radio during the race, claiming “his only interest is pushing me off the circuit”.

While Verstappen rejected Raikkonen’s complaints the Ferrari driver insisted “if I have to brake from full speed, I haven’t had that with any other driver. If I wouldn’t have braked I would have hit him full speed on the rear when we are in the full throttle. So obviously something is not correct.”

Raikkonen declined to blame anyone for the first-corner collision involving him, his team mate Sebastian Vettel, and Verstappen. “It’s hard to say, obviously I haven’t seen the replay,” he said. “I was a bit stuck between two cars.”

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    1. FIA has spoiled Max too much………

      1. My thoughts too. Can’t really blame a spoiled kid, blame mom and dad(FIA) for not enforcing the rules.

        1. Maldostappen. He is without a doubt the New Maldonado

      2. What i fail to understand is, we see FIA come out swinging with stop an go, drive threw and crap for MUCH less to other drivers, but for Max, nothing. Its insane, his behavior in front of Ria was dangerous at the very least. Complete lack of rule enforcement.

      3. If the Stewards refuse to punish him, why should he behave?

        I guess he’s just their Golden Boy, and they have high hopes for him….

      4. Yeah, but the penalties are so erratic so we learned not to expect much from the stewards. Maybe if we had the same stewards at each race …
        It has been almost one and a half season since Max crushed into Grosjean at Monaco and then accused Romain of brake testing him; people expect from other usually what they would do themselves. Jenson told Max then that “we don’t do that in F1”. What Jenson meant was “we race hard but we respect each other; we don’t go round wreaking people races on purpose”.
        He should have learned by now. And if he didn’t the people around him should talk to him; and if his dad can not, then Horner should.
        Luckily, today, we talk about wreaking peoples races and not hurting people in crashes.

      5. I agree its so typical the sporting world. Verstappen was clearly at fault, no one will win by allowing him to get away with driving other drivers would be penalized for. I have seen far less punished by other drivers. There seems to be clear favoritism in F1 and its ruining the sport. It was a dumb move by Verstappen, the room was not there at such a tight corner and with Hamilton starting last he should use more sense than to attack so aggressively, which hurt both him, Raikkonen and Vettel. And his response too is in denial and immature, just showing how few is even making him aware that he really needs to learn to discipline himself. I have seen at least 5 drivers the last year or so punished for less and this is not the first time he has done this.

    2. Kimi is spot on!!,

      1. Agreed. Really annoying. It’s not racing, not wheel to wheel, only scaring off opponents.

      1. Indeed. It’s amazing how often he’s the victim of incidents like these.

        1. incidents like these = incidents like Max and Vettel

    3. Max finished exactly where he deserved today. Dangerous and shoddy driving from the anointed one at RBR. Great to see RIC completely outclass his teammate today.

      1. Loonie bin max at his best today.

      2. Agree with the first part, don’t agree with the second one. What did RIC have to do all race? No outclassing there, maybe with charms ;)

        1. he outclassed his teammate. That doesn’t imply he performed spectacularly. Logic.

        2. What did RIC have to do all race? – drive the car very fast, without mistakes, without taking stupid risks, without choosing the wrong strategy on Saturday, without messing up his own and others’ races. RIC had it easy today…

          1. exactly, he made it look real easy, while his teammate, who started in front of him completely wrecked his own race and never took any points.


        3. He kept a silver car behind him at a power track…..unthinkable a few weeks back.

    4. Verstappen on Dutch TV: “I’d rather drive them off the track then let them go in front of me”

      1. hes too much like his dad … how long until the police are called ?

        1. Police won’t be called cause the spoilt brat is FIA’s baby.

      2. I think that’s a quote from Bowser (Mario Kart snes).

      3. Really? He would say that? Can you source if because I think, is hard to believe. Maybe contextual?

          1. @paeschli

            Dutch TV > Dutch language. Oh.

            Mike said a dumb.

        1. It’s true. “They messed up my race in Turn 1; I’m not just going to let them pass; I’d sooner run them off the track.”

          1. Verstappen is stupid if he thinks only Ferrari drivers are to blame:
            He dove in a small gap to recover from his slow getaway, but was in a blind spot for Vettel.
            Vettel gave just enough room for Raikkonen, but Raikkonen needed more since Verstappen was inside.
            So basically, Verstappen was the only one who could’ve seen what was coming, and he didn’t think about playing it safe. He’ll lose a lot of points, credibility and parts if he doesn’t get this.
            The defensive moves from Verstappen are at least at the limit, if not very far over… Once again, it’ll end with Max getting smarter, or Max / another driver in the hospital, if he doesn’t learn some risk-reduction

            1. I don’t understand – it’s ok for Vettel to turn when a car might be in his blind spot, it’s Verstappen’s fault for not anticipating that Vettel might drive into him and getting out of the way? Really??!!

            2. Most sensible assessment of what happened at turn 1 in my opinion. Verstappen is a hot-head, and doesn’t have the experience to realise yet that a race is not won on lap 1, but it certainly can be lost on lap 1!

              Most of the experienced drivers would have backed-off in that situation, taken their medicine for the poor getaway, and rebuilt from there.

            3. @jerseyf1

              Getting hung up on laying blame in a situation like this is pointless, and in my opinion it’s where Max is going wrong. It’s a question of making smart moves, not feeling justified in pointing fingers afterwards. You said it yourself, Max was in Vettel’s blind spot. So knowing that the guy ahead can’t see you, is it smart to try and elbow your way through the corner just because you won’t be in the wrong if you collide? Trying to go three wide on that corner was extremely high risk for a limited reward. The smart move would have been to wait.

              If Max’s fans want him to be champion one day, then they better hope that he stops gambling his entire race result on these single high risk moves (including the sudden blocking maneuvers). He might be exciting with his current approach, but he’ll never be consistent.

            4. This was a repeat of China; while it is easy to assign blame on the red bull or on the outside Ferrari, i see them as a racing incidents since the outside Ferrari and the redbull don’t see each other and both assume there are 2 cars going for the corner. We see that all the time in the races.
              In both cases the accident happened because the guy in the middle had no space to maneuver against the aggressive moves of the cars beside him. Otherwise “middle” cars can turn tighter agains the car on the outside, or slow a bit and take a better line against the car darting on the inside. But when both happen, they are stuck.
              Now, that being said, the dart move over the inside kerbs of “La Source” is unlikely to succeed, so i put that to Max’s youth and “i lost the start i want that place back NOW!!!”; on the other hand Vettel has no excuse; he’s too experienced not to know to leave a little more space especially since it was Kimi on his right. Seb should know by now that it’s far more likely to lose the race(podium in 2016 case) in the first corner than to win it.
              Later in the race, blocking kimi like that on the camel straight, that is all on Max; we should forgive him in our hearts for doing it, since he is young and he was in front of the home crowds, but the FIA should not; they should have penalized him, then and there and they would have done the kid a favor.

      4. @mike From the Belgian sports network Sporza: http://sporza.be/cm/sporza/auto_motor/F1/1.2754445
        He basically says the same thing as mentioned above by @paeschli

        The last quote from the article says: “De Ferrari’s verzieken mijn race in de eerste bocht. Dan ga ik ze niet voorbij laten. Dan rijd ik ze nog liever van de baan. Laat ze maar lekker schelden over de teamradio hoor, dat is leuk voor de mensen thuis voor de tv”.
        Translated: De Ferrari’s destroyed my race in T1. So I’m not going to let them past. I’d rather drive them of the road. Let them complain over the radio, that’s good TV for the people at home.

      5. ‘the FERRARI’S ruined my race in the first corner. then I will not let them past. i’d prefer to run them off the track instead. let them go rage over the team radio”.

    5. Maxonado got what he deserved today: no points

      1. He deserves some penalty points nonetheless.

      2. Nope he didn’t. He should have a race ban at list for all thing he have done this year with his on track moves.He should have been penalized in Hungary and Ros should NOT be punished in Ger cause MAD MAX again moved in braking zones messing us Ros braking point and that actually caused “push” of the track.What he did today at 300km/h+ is at list for one race ban considering previous moves mentioned. Btw F1 was letting Senna,Schumacher and some others to do that decades ago and this is what we have now even with “rules” introduced about defensive driving.

      3. I really don’t get why. He is allowed to defend his line. I think his move at Hungary was a bit shady, but today I did not see anything else than proper defending.

        Verstappen at the start; Verstappen feels it was both the Ferrari’s, I disagree. It was a racing incident. Max has a bad start, but gets in a gap we see people behind him take aswel (I believe Hulkenberg). There is nothing wrong with that line, nor the attack. However, Vettel never expected Verstappen there, so he thought Kimi would have enough space. Kimi had no space, so the end result was all three drivers punished for the situation. That’s racing.

        Kimi’s first overtaking attempt was nothing really special. Verstappen made the corner on the inside. Perez did the same to Massa I believe, however Perez was the overtaker, but the end result was exactly the same.

        Kimi’s attempt at the straight; Dangerous? Yes, but I doubt it is not allowed, racing is by definition dangerous. I always see complaints about drivers who are way to passive when defending, offering themselfs as a sitting duck. Verstappen waited for Kimi to choose his line and anticipated. Since this is not done in the braking zone, this is allowed. We have seen Kimi make similar moves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjjzgb9GIrM It’s defending 101.

        1. Just watched the video there is nothing like today’s move in there… That was an example of professional racers going at it

        2. That video nothing like what Verstappen did. Raikkonen did nothing wrong there.

          No one has a problem if the lead driver blocks a side of the track, the thing is Verstappen blocks a side AFTER the attacking driver has started his move on that side. He should pick a side, block that and then when the corner comes he can move back to the racing line. That’s how it supposed to be done.

          Verstappen should watch that video and learn how to defend properly and morally correct.

          1. I’m not saying Raikkonen does anything wrong, however hoes does catch Button each time. Today we saw the same, but at higher speeds. There also was a bigger speed difference, but that does not mean you can not defend it. It is not a classy move, and Verstappen should not portret his anger during the race, but he is allowed to defend. Kimi felt for the trick, and moved to fast to the inside line, making it possible for Verstappen to defend.

            Overtakes are not supposed to be easy.

            1. In the video Kimi indeed does the the defensive line a few times, at no point is he changing his line *after* Jenson would have made his move.

              The video shows how it is done right, (again) today Max showed how it is done wrong. In the first passing attempt Max gave no space in the corner, forcing Kimi off (and going off track himself). On the second the changed his line after Kimi made the choice. I do not get how Max can get away with repeative offenses like that, perhaps we need another dead driver before FIA wakes up.

            2. The video is completely different. Vestappen is watching the mirrors then reacting. Because the following car will always use slipstream it means that they pull out to attack very late. Because Max only moves after that, it gives the attacker very little time to brake or react to avoid him. That’s dangerous.

              Go and look at Max’s “defence” again, he moves suddenly into the path of a car that is closing.

            3. It’s dangerous, I agree, but it is allowed, because you can defend the line if you do not cause a collision. If Kimi would have hit him, that would have been crossing the line, but he did not. The question “what if Kimi did not break?” is not viable here, because Kimi had time to think and slow down.

              It is defending on the edge. Kimi might be right about Verstappen getting in a big accident if he keeps this up. But as long as he doesn’t he is racing on the very edge of the limits, which is what all drivers are begging for and is ofcourse allowed.

              The video is not thát different at all. I’m not trying to show a similar ‘incident’, I’m simply showing the art of defending. They both do the same, leaving a gap, but when the attacker goes in that gap, they pick him up. Yes, it was at much higher speed and yes, it was much more dangerous in Spa, but the essence of the racecraft shown is the same.

            4. It’s not on the edge, it’s ridiculous.

              If you pass a red light when you are driving, but there’s no crash. Is it ok? No, it is hideously irresponsible. There is no difference here. The action he took was incredibly dumb. It puts himself, other drivers and potentially spectators at unacceptable risk.

              The racecraft in the video was not the same at all. In the video, Kimi defended the inside lines, forcing the other driver to go around him. But there was always room and the driver never had to brake hard or suddenly change direction to avoid a collision. It is categorically not the same to wait until the last moment then cut in front of another car.

        3. LOOOL at Dutch fans who started watching Formula1 from Barcelona 2015.

          1. I watch Formula 1 since 1994, you were probably not even born.

            1. I was most likely born before you have.

              “It is defending on the edge.”

              If you have been watching Formula 1 since ’94 you would have known the basics of defending.

              You don’t EVER wait for another driver going 340KPH to take an overtaking line so you can just blindly turn there and block him. It’s life threatening.

              It’s the Spa kemmel straight we’re talking about.

              “because you can defend the line if you do not cause a collision”

              Just what.

            2. yet it happened to verstappen last year in monaco, by grosjean braking earlier, max had to evade at ~300km/h. max ended in the wall. moral of the story, fia said that was ok… so dont blame max, he learned it there…

            3. @maxv Car data showed that Grosjean had braked later than the previous lap.

            4. Duncan Idaho (@)
              29th August 2016, 4:59

              @ carwars – 2.5 Things
              1. After Grojean did it to him, forcing him to crash, Max thinks its a good tactic?
              2. Not many people look to Grojean for racecraft lessons (unless they want reinforcement of the ‘can’t win spa at first corner’ lesson).

            5. @maxv, as Mike noted, all the evidence pointed to Verstappen causing the crash in Monaco. The GPS data which the stewards referred to showed that Grosjean actually hit the brakes 5m later than he had on the previous lap, so Verstappen’s claims that Grosjean braked 15m earlier than before were blatantly false.

              Verstappen was so obsessed with looking for a way past Grosjean that he missed his braking marker and drove into the back of Grosjean – that was why he was deemed guilty of causing the crash. The thing is, even after he was publicly revealed to be wrong about Grosjean braking early, he still refused to apologise to Grosjean for falsely accusing him of brake testing him.

            6. If you were born before 1982, you sure don’t act like it.

              Last time I’m going in this discussion, yes, a driver can do this when not causing a collision. I’m not saying that that is a rule, I’m just pointing out the border in this situation. We have seen a similar situation earlier this year, Sainz vs Perez at Austria. Only Sainz squeezed him off, where, Verstappen moved when Kimi moved. Yes, it is at higher speed, and again, it is far from classy and very dangerous. I can understand Kimi’s frustration, but he is allowed to do this. Hence the reason why both Verstappen and Sainz did not get penalized. Again, the edge.

              I can understand Kimi’s concern, but I don’t get the fans, who have been moaning about the boringness of F1 and it’s schoolboy drivers. Now we finally see some action at the very edge, and now the driver should be penalized.

        4. There was nothing similar, Kimi made his defense move just before the corner and Button wasn’t really available to overtake, because the straight ended and both had to brake.

        5. Arahones, If you think there was nothing wrong with that line you have never sat in an open wheel racing car, sat a few inches from the tarmac and and going at fast speeds. That gap is an illusion and was only there momentarily and was closing at a fast rate. Max was just too griddy and immature after having a bad start. his experience on this track is so poor that he forgot that even having a bad start, his patience (if he had one) would have paid off at the straight after the eau rouge corner where he would have had a lot of slip stream from the cars in front.

      4. Maldostappen

    6. Indeed. If Max is allowed to continue stretching the boundaries of what is deemed acceptable unchecked, he will inevitably go too far and well, it could be catastrophic.

    7. MAX drove like his age today…

    8. He is right

    9. Kimi is right. Max is a good driver but sometimes he crosses the line while defending.

      1. Jelle van der Meer
        28th August 2016, 15:44

        No line was crossed according to the stewards and I am fairly sure Ferrari reported it to be investigated – they have all the data, all the camera angles and know the rules. The stewards did not penalize Verstappen so no line was crossed.

        1. yeah, I think Horner confirmed that the Stewards did consider investigating but didn’t.

          Who was the driver steward this weekend?

          1. Jos Verstapen?

          2. @bascb, it was Danny Sullivan this weekend.

            1. thanks Anon. Interesting, in the past he was quite strict on defending behaviour I thought.

        2. Inconsistency by race stewards does not mean “no line was crossed”. When Max was at Torro Rosso I had a lot of admiration for the lad but since he moved up to RBR he has not endeared himself to the fans or covered himself in glory, apart from his lucky win he has been less than impressive.
          Many of his moves are questionable and I feel he is being looked after by Bernie and Jean Todt, as a result he has become an arrogant little brat, the trouble is that he has a huge amount of talent but he believes his own publicity and seems to think he is untouchable, if he is not brought into line by RBR and/or the FIA he WILL cause a big accident.
          When someone with the experience and success of Kimi criticises another driver for dangerous driving then I feel there is some justification, especially when you consider how fair Kimi normally is, and if the other report I read about Max’s statement on Dutch TV is true that “he would rather drive someone off the track than let them get in front” the kid needs to grow up and start acting like the professional racing driver he is supposed to be.

          1. He’s very talented, too bad his attitude is not as shiny.

        3. Seratia marcescens
          28th August 2016, 16:23

          Stewards, and commentators alike, are so in awe of ‘the next Senna/Schumacher’, that they are excusing him of some pretty shocking defensive driving.

          Plus, the stewarding is not consistent: Max forced Kimi AND Sergio off the track at Les Combes but no penalty was enforced. Nico got a penalty for the same thing at Hockenheim…

            1. Lol, the only one to blame for the first corner, was crybaby Vettel. Can you blame Verstappen for giving the Ferrari’s a hard time.

              Look back to Senna..real drivers (Hamilton, Max) defend their spot, we have seen to many weak push over drivers these years.

          1. Well said.

      2. I honestly do not see what the hype with this kid is about. “Talented”. Maldonado was fast also but that kinda of speed comes at a reckless cost.

        I HATE when people compare this kid with Senna I find it insulting. Senna did more things then this kid in lesser cars. He comes in and in no time has a top seat.

    10. Whether you like Kimi or not, he’s one of the fairest racers on the grid. He doesn’t go for suicidal moves, and equally, other drivers know they can trust him not to take them out when they’re trying to pass him. So, despite his frustrations after a tough race which should have delivered a better result, I’m inclined to believe his verdict on Max. The pictures seem to back it up.

      1. *cough* Russia 2015 *cough*

      2. Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
        28th August 2016, 15:47

        I am starting to like Kimi more than I did. I think he is preforming much better than the past 2 years. I thought he had several stupid moves last year though. One of them being on Bottas in Russia.

        I thought that he was very fair on Verstappen this race though. He prevented several contacts that would have been caused by Verstappen as he chose to drive off the track.

      3. Later on the same race, Grosjean defended fiercely his position from Kimi and they touched, but there didn’t seem to be anything wrong from either side and Kimi did not complain. Kimi complains when he believes there was wrongdoing from the other driver and today I agree with him.

        1. Yes, he didn’t complain because he banged into grosean…

          1. Maybe Kimi is just not very good in overtaking?

    11. Max is on his way to doing a maldonado. Sky was the the limit in Spain for both, then downhill ever since.

    12. Yep, that’s what I predicted too. The FIA should hold a meeting with Verstappen before he causes a huge accident, but the FIA favour him over other drivers. Maxtor Maldostappen should be his new name, has a nice ring to it.

    13. Max Verstappen undoubtedly will be a world champion with that talent. Such a shame his attitude is kind of worse than Maldonado.

      1. He reminds me of Marco Simoncelli. I remember watching Super Sic (who I loved) drive and remarking to Mr Pink that he was dangerous and going to cause a big accident one day.

        1. Thankfully F1 cars are safer than moto GP bikes!

    14. I’ve said what Kimi has said long ago. Glad he’d finished in 11th place- a fitting place for a loser

      Because that’s the only thing MV is at the moment. If you can only prevail thru dirty means you’re simply a loser. If you win unfairly that’s not really a victory

      The biggest loser is the FIA though, for doing nothing to stop him

    15. Why do we need to have a serious accident before penalties are handed out to Verstappen?
      I do like close racing, I do like the wheel to wheel stuff. I do like young generation to get a chance.
      But today Verstappen breached the rules of racing conduct multiple times.
      Going off track several times, but maybe it was only in 1-2 curves FIA would enforce today?
      And then Raikonnen was forced off track, as Verstappen did not leave space alongside, despite Raikonnen had his front right wheel just behind Verstappen’s front left.
      And then Verstappen ‘defended’ a couple of times with multiple (and erratic) sideway moves.
      F1 is not karting or F3.
      Love the racing but would hate to see some of our F1 drivers get seriously injured because of such behavior.

      1. +1. Typical Fia waiting for incidents to occur before they act.

      2. I think Perez and Massa showed the way today. Close, tough racing without any silliness. Guys like Webber, Alonso can race side by side into Eau Rouge. That’s close racing.

        1. Guys like Schumaher and Raikkonen can race side by side into Eau Rouge and Senna Esses.

        2. Yeah we have seen good masters at this. In same class of sportsmanship as Webber and Alonso for wheel to wheel through corners’ racing I would add Button, Raikkonen and Mika Hakkinen.

      3. WeatherManNX01
        28th August 2016, 17:38

        Not going to happen until the FIA grows a pair and stop letting themselves be bullied over the rules. They can’t do anything without a team principal or even Bernie bitching about it. And then they do nothing, and they get bitched at anyway.

        I love Formula One, but it is very much a club of entitled, self-important elites who want everything their own ways.

      4. Even in karting you’re not allowed to change direction like that.

    16. If VES is going to have a big accident I’d rather have it happen earlier than later – he can then develop whatever GRO developed earlier in his career and hopefully win a championhip (if he hadn’t won one before said accident, anyway).

    17. Kimi is 100 percent correct. What if He hadnt braked and something like this would have happened?

      1. Then something like that would have happened.

    18. People have completely forgotten about Schumacher and Senna. Shame.

    19. Verstappen is incredibly fortunate that it is usually Raikkonen he finds himself racing against. A younger/less experienced driver may not be so cautious or aware and the consequences could be catastrophic.

      He is a massive accident waiting to happen and his driving today was simply not on.

      1. Well said.

      2. When a ex-champion with 15yrs experience says you’re driving dangerously maybe there’s something to it. All the accolades have gone to Max’s head though and now he thinks he can do no wrong.

        1. I agree that the blocking move was out of order, unfortunately I don’t agree with your statement. A four time champion with nearly a decade’s driving experience also tried to pin the blame on him for a three car crash today too in which he was a victim – even champions try to shift blame and can’t be 100% relied on.

      3. @craig-o: That’s not quite correct. In the last race VES also combatted with VET. What IS true however is that it’s usually Kimi who is complaining about VES’s defending. I think it’s an interesting question: why is it always Kimi? Could it be a possibility that Kimi just is not a very good overtaker?

    20. The grid’s most experienced (and probably as good a driver as Vettel, Alonso & Hamilton) saying something about the youngest driver on the grid should not be taken lightly. This is significant stuff.

        1. Yeah and Vettel can’t take a first corner without ramming his team mate and max. So let’s listen to the German cry on the radio.

          1. Vettel gave more than enough room for one car on the inside as he is supposed to do. He is not obliged to do more.

            Furthermore, there was a trajectory for Verstappen in which he was not going to hit Kimi on the exit. It is almost a 90 degree corner and he is on the curb with right tires barely on the line (defining the circuit limit)

            1. Max didn’t hit anyone though, it was the two Ferrari’s hitting him…

            2. Vettel should know better what can happen in Spa start. His job is to maximize points for the team. Today he made a mistake, he could and should have driven the first corner wide, instead of destroying Ferrari’s race.

              A race cannot be won in the first corner, but it can be lost there. Today Seb lost the race there and unfortunately took Kimi and Max with him.

            3. @maxv That’s silly. If Kimi had of turned into Max instead, who would you blame then?

    21. Max is a future star, we all know that but his inexperience showed today and it likely will show every once in a while for another couple years or until the stewards give him a penalty for those late moves. I personally love watching Max but that last minute block was just plain stupid and comments like he’d rather drive others off the track are a sign he is still a teen trying to find his way.

    22. Kimi is SO right . In its desperation to build a star to help with failing popularity F1 has decided to build a star and to that end has decided that Max Maldonado, I mean Max Verstappen can do anything he wants to do in order to advance his position on the track and place higher at race’s end and unfortunately Max being a child who believes his own publicist is all to willing to do anything and everything to win no matter the risk to others or disregard of the rules of sportsmanship. Just look at what Max says when questioned about his clearly improper defenses : if there was anything wrong with what I did the stewards would have penalized me,they did not so what I did must be OK. NO Max ,the stewards are the puppets of F1 and F1 only cares about money not driver safety. Kimi and everyone else who have been telling you that you are going to cause ” a big accident” are telling you the truth . Do you really think that Kimi is jealous of you and is lying to you to get an advantage over you . No,he is an experienced driver who is trying to straighten you out before you kill someone because given the path you are on and the apathy of the powers that be killing someone is exactly the path that you are on.
      If you are the great talent that you think you are you don’t need to cheat and endanger others in order to get ahead. What you do for a living is dangerous and since the stewards and Bernie feel that drivers are expendable are pawns to be sacrificed to the god of the almighty buck ( money – for those who don’t know what a “buck” is ) and since Helmut Marko and even your own father and seemingly everyone around you are caught up in your press releases it is up to YOU to get it together and drive fairly and more important SAFELY.
      I heard Max complain that the Ferrari drivers forced him off track on the first turn. maybe they did but, he must see it for what it might very well have been-drivers showing him what he does to other drivers at every race but, at least they did it properly in that it was not at high speed and under circumstances that have a high risk of fatal injury-like cutting off another car while on a high speed straight. Further the driver who forced him off might have been sending him a message ( as well they should) that message being that if the stewards and F1 will not enforce the Sportsmanship code and common rules of safe driving they ,the drivers will enforce those rules .
      This “payback “is fair, proper and necessary because Max is out of control and the “big accident “is on its way. As they say , “its not a matter of IF it will happen its a matter of WHEN it will happen”. I have said it before and I’ll say it again about Max and his improper moves ; I am not a big NASCAR fan but those drivers have it right ; if a driver crosses the line as many times as Max has you put him in the cheap seats and then you put him in the dental chair. Is this right ? Well ask yourself what you would do to keep someone who is dangerous from hurting or possibly killing someone.
      Kimi is right . Unless something is done the “big accident”is coming . I for one suggest that not only is it acceptable for the other drivers to do whatever it takes to stop Verstappen it may very well be their obligation. If memory serves the aphorism goes something like this, “all that is needed for the evil to succeed is for the good to do nothing “.

      1. Plus one billion!

        Shocking behaviour.

        Real shame the lad never did long circuit gearbox racing…

        Yes we will bang wheels at 150mph plus but that weaving on straights will kill people and we all know it. It’s happened.

        Personally I think the lower safety higher risk of long circuit gearbox racing should be a mandatory class. It’s as fast as f3 and on some tracks faster depending on the years and specs but the risk level teaches you respect. Real respect. No seat belts and cockpit protection might just allow the young to understand there are real consequences to stupidity.

      2. I’m thinking Singapore with its faster straights and close barriers is going to see the inevitable Verstappen crash. He hasn’t done well at street circuits and his defensive driving has been getting worse.

      3. I’m pretty sure if someone fought well and skillfully, Kimi would be the first guy to give the credit.

    23. I’ve just about had it with this kid. He obviously think that he walks on water, I’m sure his support crews at Red Bull, daddy and the FIA have him thinking no less. This serious lack of respect is not only unsportsmanlike, but its also dangerous. Kimi is spot on.

      The boy needs a smack. Ayrton Senna famously punched Eddie Irvine in the face after the latter’s debut exploits, Max deserves no less. He should not be allowed to continue like this, he needs to be brought back down to earth. Imagine how drivers in the 80s would have reacted to this type of behavior?

      The boy has a huge ego for his age. All his God given talent will go to waste if he continues to behaves this way. Somebody(Alex Wurz?) , please sit the lad down already!

      1. Remember Vettels penalty on Massa at Silverstone? I feel Verstappen should also have got one. Very similar situations…. But yeah we all know the inconsistency of the stewards.. I think the crowd helped Max this weekend.

        1. Whoops, wasn’t supposed to be a reply…. Well anyways…..

      2. Spoken like a true caveman.

      3. Agreed! both Nigel Mansell and Nelson Piquet would have punched his teeth out.

        1. ;o) Back in the days when it was only men racing in F1…?

    24. Max races like its a video game and you can just hit reset, its one thing to make a move to defend but what he does is erratic and dangerous.

    25. IMO, a lot of accidents avoided by the skill of other drivers since he moved into the Red Bull team.
      Max is just lucky at the moment that he is dicing with people at the top end of the field and hence drivers who CAN actually drive.

      Maybe too much pressure to perform against Ricciardo

    26. Waiting for the other driver to move and then changing direction leads to crashes like those of Krosnoff and Franchitti. Not punishing such moves is a dangerous precedent.
      The governing bodies are not doing a good job starting with the lower level series. It’s their responsibility to enforce the education. Young drivers can never learn what’s wrong when there’s no punishment.

      1. The stewards only care about their precious track limits and tyre pressures lately. They don’t care about slowing down and getting ready for a stop for double waved yellow flags or dangerous defending moves. It’s just bizarre.

    27. Kimi is probably right, but people are also overreacting as usual on the internet. Calling him spoiled and a loser, even here on the forum. Last year he was punished a lot and now suddenly he is the darling of the stewards? Grow up and be rational. His defending is on the limit, but blocking is allowed and Kimi never got the inside line. Stewards deemed it legal.

      His response last time was telling. He didn’t got a penalty, so he didn’t do anything wrong he said. To me that is the way drivers look al things, a lot of them drive on the edge and don’t care what other drivers say. If the stewards think it’s wrong, they’ll adapt. That’s not arrogance, that’s because a lot of drivers are complaining a lot. That includes Max.

      1. Well spoken, Melvin.

        Reading a lot of comments I think that a lot of people should be better of watching the Antiques Roadshow on BBC instead F1 better for blood pressure.

      2. People overreacting no my friend most have been waiting for this opportunity to call a spade a spade. The child is reckless and over hyped.

    28. I remember a certain move from HAM in RIC in Monaco this year (Casino Exit). RIC was having the inside but HAM cut him off. Situation was dangerous but no penalties were given. I think that today’s move from VES was pretty rough and hope that we do not see it anymore but remember he is only 18 years old. Unfortunately in real life there are many youngsters on that age driving cars when they have had too many alcohol, causing tragedies to entire families… I think that we should put the scene into perspective.

      1. That is a completely different situation. Can you seriously not tell the difference between the exit (of a slow corner even) and weaving on a full throttle 330+km/h straight?

        It also does not matter who has the inside line, but who is ahead at the braking point.

        I guess you are a new F1 recruit following Verstappen mania, but did you see Austria (Rosberg on Hamilton)? Silverstone (Vettel on Massa)? Hockenheim (Rosberg on Verstappen). You can have the inside line all you want, but if you start the corner behind you got the penalty anyway.

    29. RBR kept saying that VES’s car was so damaged at the turn1 incident that he was losing 1.5 secs per lap. I reckon that he actually incurred most of the damage in his lunatic dash back to the pits with no front wing – he cut corners, ignored just about all track limits and bounced over lots of the high kerbs which will have inevitably damaged the underside aero of his car. And yet he had no penalties applied and everyone making excuses and praising his cojones. Sheer madness

      1. Indeed, I was assuming he’d get a penalty for gaining an advantage by going off track. Didn’t Vettel get penalised for doing the same thing once? he cut straight through Eau Rouge and maintained his position that way.

        Although in fairness it would have been a massive pile-up if he had actually tried to make that corner with the whole lot behind him.

    30. I wanna see hamilton compete with max, lets see if he can defend against him, in a similar paced car of course.

      1. We don’t need to see that. Rosberg has already shown what happens when you don’t race correctly.

      2. HAM will leave him in the dust, RIC is faster than Max, and Max would lose his mind trying to edge out a guy like HAM or Alonso. Max has no patience, all he has are his ‘dodgy’ moves to keep people from passing him. He is also the #1 @ RBR, says a lot about how good he really is. Sainz is also better than Max too. I would wager 2/3rds of the grid is better than Max, RBR are just helping him up the ladder. RIC will dismantle Max all season long unless RBR tell RIC to pit and hand wins to Max like Merc hand wins to Nico.

        1. @keithcollantine

          Can we remove comments like these please? They add absolutely nothing to the site.
          And all the other hate filled comments in this topic as well please.

          There’s already enough football fans going to the track apparently with the constant booing of drivers. We don’t need them on this site.

          It seems to be very difficult for some people to just have a normal discussion on here lately.
          Rosberg wins, Mercedes are ‘obviously’ sabotaging Hamilton because they want a German Champion…
          Verstappen wins, Red Bull are ‘obviously’ sabotaging Ricciardo because Verstappen is the new kid…

          A lot of people here have their tinfoil hats on a little too tight. It seems to be obstructing bloodflow.

          1. im sorry I hurt your feelings, but the problem is you can’t actually discount anything I just said. I dare you to try.

            Your attempt at a strawman argument is ridiculous. You should think about your own comment and it’s validity before trying to censor someone elses qualified opinion for which you would lose trying to rebut.

            1. @xsavior

              I’ve learned a long time ago that there’s absolutely no point ‘debating’ with fanatics.

            2. Why would anyone want to discount anything you said? Everything you said is nothing more than speculative rambling from the overheated mind of someone who is obviously not a Max fan.

        2. Ricciardo is clearly the #1 at RBR and has been given preferential treatment every time. It just didn’t work out for him every time and dumb people only look at the outcomes.

          Verstappen has shown better race pace than Ricciardo in many races.

          I will ignore the rest of your hate-filled comment.

      3. HAM would make him look average and not worth the hype he is getting. HAM was pure talent as a child and proved himself as soon as he entered F1. Hamilton is one of the current Greats of the sport same as Vettel. I Agree Carlos Sainz seems to be more level headed then Max.

    31. Kimi is right, Verstappen is getting away from everything this season. He twice pushed his rivals off the track (and failed to stay on it himself) and no penalty. He changes direction twice – no penalty. Other are penalised for much lesser things. Looks like he can do everything.

      1. Kimi is just getting (too) old. His reactions aren’t what they used to be. He is trying flawed overtaking manoeuvres and blames the other when he doesn’t succeed. In short, Vettel & Raikkonen are without competition the whiners of the current season.

      2. BTW, VES’s comments on Dutch tv were also very immature.

        1. Arnoud van Houwelingen
          29th August 2016, 2:38

          get in his skin .. an 18 year old kid loses the race in the first corner at a circuit where there are 80.000 fans from his country and who must answer questions just a couple of minutes when he is done with the race. He is still full of adrenaline and devastated and says something stupid .. give the guy a break!

          1. “Give the guy a break” This is why they did not have stupid children in F1 cars in the 70’s. He never even got a podium in his midfield Toro I do not see what the hype is about. Give that Red Bull to driver like Hulk.

          2. I can somehow understand his state of mind, but that doesn’t make his comments any less stupid & immature. It also provides fuel to te Scuderia fans who want him burned down to the ground because he blocked Kimi (again).

    32. I am a huge Ves fan ,but today was his not his day. He is young and frustrated..not a good combo on the track. He should have a talk with the more experienced drivers. A penalty would have been justified in my opinion.
      He brings back excitement in F1 but he must know the boundaries.

      1. Of course he’s going to make mistakes, all drivers do. The thing that offends me, and a lot of other people on here clearly, is that he refuses to acknowledge his own shortcomings and mistakes. The real great and respectable drivers step up and admit when they make those mistakes. If he makes mistakes, but doesn’t acknowledge them as such, he will never change and grow as a driver, and never become a great one.

    33. Danii is LOL’d..

    34. I don’t understand.

      10 years ago Trulli was defending like Max. Trullis defence once led poor guy Kubica into a massive crash in Montreal. Luckily he survived.
      FIA then formalized that kind of defence as illegal. It was done for the safety of the drivers. Understood. The “Trulli rule” allows only one move during defence.

      But what has happened to that rule nowdays?

      And, why do FIA try to improve safety but ignore “unsafe defending”?

      F1 is already very safe but there are some drivers who are quite volatile and actually risking the other drivers lives.

      If FIA wants to increase safety – why not ban the riskful behaviors? Actually, as mentioned, they have already done so with the Trulli-rule.

      But I don’t understand why it doesn’t apply for Max.

      If Kvyat defended like this, they’d send him to F3.

      1. But what has happened to that rule nowadays?

        There never was such a rule. Trulli wasn’t blamed for Kubica”s crash and the FIA never revised the rules on defending in the wake of the crash.

        1. Thanks Keith. Now I understand. ☺️
          I guess driving in F1 is nothing more than a Video game after all. Drive like crazy, but the pain is for real.

          May God be with those poor souls crashing.

          1. Hopefully he crashes by himself and does not take anyone else with him driving like that.

        2. Such rule was indeed written into the F1 sporting regulations! Believe though it was in the works before the Kubica crash, initiated after the waving of pole sitters at race starts to defend their position when getting slow off the grid, especially multiple episodes with Schumacher-Mika Hakkinen, which some of you old timers might recall…
          And the specific rule set on this subject was revised to clarify again in 2012 after the Schumacher-Hamilton episode at the Monza race that year:
          Article 20.3 of the 2012 FIA Sporting Regulations says: “More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off the racing line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.”
          This I have difficulties to understand that Verstappen complied with during this last race. But again, the stewards said nothing. So expect to see more of the same again.

          1. The point the majority of people is confused about seems to be the ‘only allowed one move’ bit. Max simply complies to that. Reason why people are upset nevertheless is his timing. He doesn’t make the first move, but reacts. That makes it more difficult to overtake him. Should we all deem this dangerous then we should go for a rule change first and then penalize the driver. No need to do it the other way around

          2. OK, that confuses me again. Ha ha :)

            So Max must have been driving perfectly clean. Or F1 is corrupted… and the culprit must be Heineken… :p and Maldonado and Trulli were the stewards.

      2. Max didn’t make two moves, he made his one move extremely late, in reaction to Kimi’s, and very nearly in the braking zone. That’s legal, barely, but kind of dirty, disrespectful and dangerous. These guys need to be able to trust each other, for their own safety, and the safety of everyone at the circuit.

    35. MAXDONADO !

    36. Me thinks young Max is going to get a very big wake up call very soon.

      Unless he decides to rein in himself, of course.

    37. As Toto Wolff after race in Spa
      ..”Maximum attack!” he said about Verstappen. “He is refreshing for me. He is a young boy that I like a lot.

      “He comes in here, no fear, no respect. He puts the elbow out and it reminds me of the great ones. It reminds me of Lewis [Hamilton] and it reminds me of Ayrton Senna.

      “And you can clearly see that some guys around are starting to think twice how to overtake him. Until now, all that has proven that he is on the right track”

      So again :
      Reading a lot of comments I think that a lot of people should be better of watching the Antiques Roadshow on BBC instead F1 better for blood pressure

      1. Epol610 You forgot to add what else Toto Wolff said about Verstappen……

        “I just fear it might end up in the wall heavily one day. It is refreshing but dangerous.”

        You always need to give the full picture, my friend.

        1. Sorry ……I overlooked last line by copying. Had no intention doing that one purpose.

          But if Vettel’s can overlook a whole race car then my mistake is not that massive.

      2. Stop insulting A. Senna by comparing him to idiot to the Max. Senna was never this reckless and cared about the safety of the drivers around him.

        1. Hahaha, you have got to be kidding.. I am a HUGE Senna fan and he was just the same…

      3. Other drivers are thinking twice because they dont want end up in a train wreck.

    38. Kimi and Seb acting like the cry baby Italian soccer players, acting like they have a big booboo by laying on the ground crying from pain, but really nothing happened.
      I guess they learned that from their Italian team.

    39. Just concentrating on their first contact: Remember Rosberg’s move on Verstappen from Germany? He was penalised for forcing Max off the track. I still don’t see how Rosberg forced Max off there, but here we are, Max not just pushing off but bumping into Räikkönen as he braked so late he couldn’t even take the turn himself, and Kimi had to give his position back? And then I didn’t mention his continuous line changes on defense/braking repeatedly without any investigation.

      I would love to believe we don’t see double standards in the sport favoring the popular upcoming young star, but I can’t help the feeling… I mean I don’t mind his attitude, but he should be punished for his dangerous and unfair moves because if he keeps on doing these things, and someone doesn’t lift like Kimi did and goes with the Verstappen-style-of-play, then Kimi is right: that’s the recipe for a big accident.

      1. Please read the racing rule book. These situations, and whom has right to keep the racing line at what point (having a lot to do with track position and relative position vs the other car) are well described.

        1. Please watch the start again, you can’t really dive-bomb into the first corner and after that cry “I was right!” because grown ups are racing there.

    40. Verstappen is out of control. Someone should have slapped him around already. He’s putting other driver’s lives at risk with his ridiculous blocking maneuvers. Defending your position is one thing, but becoming a chicane in the middle of a straight when the guy behind obviously has more speed is beyond reckless. The FIA not punishing this jokester is pretty typical for them. The stewards never have a clue what they are doing, and their only consistency is their inconsistence.

    41. The problem with Max is he has nothing to lose. He isn’t in it for champinship points. He just risks it all and tries to shine in one or two races. When others are calculating the risks, Max is just going for everything, because he has nothing to lose this year. Even if he crashes out on every race – he is still in next year. But if he manages to win one more race this year – he’s praised even more.

      Last couple of races, when he has made risky moves and did not get punished (when others would have been) made things worse. And Max learned from those decisions – takes all the risks and even more…

      Bad stewarting imho.

    42. I would like to see F1 use IndyCar’s method: reactionary moves are not allowed. Max’s move was just plain dangerous. You pick your line and go with it. Not wait to see what the other person does and go for a block.

      1. You are right. But this isn’t todays ruling in F1

    43. Yes Verstappens moves were aggressive but in my opinion they were legal, not fair but legal. He waits until the driver behind commits to a side, then he moves to defend. He hasnt got a penalty for aggressive defending so he is taking full advantage of the poor race control decision. That is what im impressed by. He knows race control sucks so he knows he can defend his position like that without a penalty. Its not friendly or fair but this is F1 not local run what you brung any rule bending you can get away with you take it. Oh wait isnt there another driver who was aggressive at defending and the people criticizing Max praise him for it. What was his name oh ya Michael Schumacher. Adelaide 1994, Jerez 1997, Hungary 2010, i will also add Monaco in there. So before you criticize remember who you praise. Also other drivers will think twice about passing Max, he has gotten in other drivers heads.

      1. .. I am quite sure that Schumacher’s record of bending or breaking rules is the least admirable part of his career. Adelaide, Jerez, Hungary are clear examples of Schumacher at his worst surely?

      2. @jamiejay995, firstly, as Mike notes, Schumacher has received nothing but repeated criticism for moments such as the one in Jerez in 1997.

        In the 2010 Hungarian GP, Schumacher was roundly criticised for his “blatant abuse” of the rules and, according to Derek Warwick, the driver steward in that race, was nearly black flagged (i.e. disqualified) from the race for dangerous driving – he only got away with it because, by the time that the stewards had reviewed the video evidence, the race had finished. Even Schumacher himself later apologised, saying that what he did was wrong and he shouldn’t have placed Rubens in that position.

      3. I believe it isn’t optimal situation if other drivers will have to consider possibility of getting killed trying to overtake young Verstappen.

    44. Max a bit lack of class

    45. Verstappen will probably not be the most popular driver at Monza next weekend! =8-!

    46. whine whine everytine, Stop complaining Kimi and learn to drive or stop driving F1 and move over for a younger generation.

    47. The only thing that changes is, everybody is gonna make room for 3 from here on out. They can’t risk gettin crashed out, the body’s not doin nothin, and everybody is gonna be lookin in their mirrors for dive bombers.

    48. I have to agree with Kimi here. I am a huge (dutch) Verstappen fan, and Although I love drivers that put up a fight that might push or strech the letter of the rules in order to win, I have to admit waht Max has been showing recently is going beyond that. The moving unde breaking really is to dangerous. And the FIA should step up. Even Max should realise the danger since he accused Romain Grosjean of doing the same and thus causing his own huge shunt in Monaco last year.

      Having said that, I am saddened by the comments made in this (and other threads). Not against Max alone , but also against Hamilton or Rosberg, etc. Replies such as “Baby this”, “Maldonado”or accusing people of cheating, conspiracy theories within mecedes etc etc etc.

      These are all top racers, but also human beings with ambitions that make mistakes. If you are a true fan you should be able to state your oppinion in a reasonable and constructive way. And not resort to typing lazy comments that amount to no more than the day’s equivalent for what basicly boils down to “you s * u c k”

      In my oppinion you are then no better than the people who go to a race and then boo a driver on stage. I say: Shame on thee

    49. Reading a lot of comments Verstappen this and that and that’s just the stir Ferrari is creating.

      It’s the steward who make the calls, not Raikkonen, neither Vettel, this asking of penaties should be stopped regardless what other drivers do on track. It was forbidden in soccer years ago and should be forbidden in F1 as well.
      I am pretty sure if Raikkonen stops his ranting the public opinion will change as well.

      This race it was vettel steering in to Raikkonen damaging Verstappens car, later in the race Raikkonen made contact with Grosjean as well, why not focus on that??

      Raikkonen is putting al eyes on Verstappen when HE makes a move, if you want to overtake make a move that sticks. Verstappens defending is near limits, but like he said ‘as long as the stewards feel it’s within the rules it’s within the rules’.

      Ferrari is happy with the stir they’ve created, the media is all over it, this isn’t about racing anymore, do your racing on track!

      1. Kimi showed Perez that you can’t do that. My bet is that this is going to end the same way.

      2. You are wasting lots of words on something only Belgians would agree on.

    50. Can everybody just please take a look at the rule book before shouting. The rules of engagement are clear but subject to tenths of a second difference in position of the cars relatively to eachother. This leads to interpretation and debate. There are still 22 professional drivers out there, no need to questions any-ones level or intentions. You either get processional races which you all seem to hate, or incidents which you all seem to hate. Watching F1 is not mandatory, if it annoys you so much there are other things to do on Sundays.

    51. Did anyone see Alonso bump Hulkenberg on exit from the pits? Is that allowed?

      1. I wonder, we saw a lot of ‘bumping’… Vettel bumping in to Raikkonen, Raikkonen in to Verstappen en later Grosjean.
        Alonso’s action was very remarkable, I would say it isn’t allowed especially when he hit Hulkenberg..

        1. Arnoud van Houwelingen
          29th August 2016, 13:37

          Nobody is talking about the actions of Alonso and Grosjean here but only bashing Max .. with more than 180 comments its like you are standing in a row to pass the baseball bat to bash the head in of Verstappen. Don’t get the hate really .. you probably like it when all drivers are boring like Massa or Ericcson

    52. Of course I don’t wish this to happen, but here’s my prediction for the next race: On the S/F straight he will make a similar move to a driver behind him to what he did to Kimi on the Kemmel straight in the last race or what Perez did to Massa on the final lap of the 2014 Canadian GP, and therefore, both him, and the driver behind him will crash out at around 350 kph or more. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this scenario happens in some of the remaining races of this season. Sooner or later the inevitable will happen if he won’t stop performing over-aggressive defensive moves, which bring in unnecessary danger.

    53. There is currently no rule in F1 (there is in IndyCar) prohibiting the moves Verstappen made on the Kemmel straight. Hence the FIA can’t really punish him. Verstappen’s driving may seem brutal at times, but he knows exactly what he’s allowed to do, and he’s got the skills to actually pull it off. It’s been said before, but I’ll say it again: This is exactly what Senna and Schumacher did when they came into F1.

      1. If Verstappen ran over a punch of kindergarteners, I believe he would blame them for reckless walking.

    54. Many of those calling out Verstappen for his driving standards at Spa are missing the point. It is not his, nor any other of his competitor’s responsibility to adjudicate over their own behaviour in wheel to wheel action. Their job is to push to the limits, and to attack and defend to the best of their abilities. Charlie Whiting is the guy who ought to be taken to task on this instead. It’s the constant arbitrariness of him and the fickleness of his calls on ‘incidents’ from race-to-race that taints the sport. The fact that he refused to even refer the La Source or Kemmel straight moves (along with the elbow shoving at Les Combes) to the stewards is beyond me.

      We want to see drivers push the limits, like Max did yesterday, but ultimately it’s not his responsibility enforce the rules of driving etiquette, just like it wouldn’t be Diego Costa’s responsibility to send himself off for a rash tackle in a football match. The sole reason Max was brimming with confidence in the media-pen post-race, was because he had just made the race director look like a fool for not doing his job properly.

    55. What are your comments to this specific situation?

    56. Verstappen was warned by Toto Wulf and rightly so. These kids…

      Grow up little Max.

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