Halo won’t happen, Magnussen predicts

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In the round-up: Kevin Magnussen believes Formula One won’t go through with plans to introduce the Halo head protection system.

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67 comments on “Halo won’t happen, Magnussen predicts”

  1. Apparently, Verstappen brought up Australia 2001 on Villeneuve in response to his criticism of Max. If that’s true, then wow, just wow.
    And Vandoorne HAS to be in the McLaren. He HAS to. He’s a big talent. Also, I personally hope that Button goes to Williams next year.
    And I hope that Magnussen’s wishes come true. I personally just cannot stand the halo.

    1. @ultimateuzair, yes, Verstappen responded to Villeneuve’s criticism by referring to the accident Villeneuve was involved in where flying debris from his car struck a marshal:
      “He should watch a little with his statements that someone dies, because he himself has killed someone. He has to look at himself. I think what he says is not respectful to the family of the deceased marshal.” http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1/verstappen-villeneuve-should-watch-what-he-says-because-he-killed-someone_sto5817746/story.shtml

      1. Verstappen did the same with Massa reminding him of Canada 2014

    2. i.m.o. a pure racer, knowing info about races in the past, using actions from other drivers to reflect their sayings :)

      amazing to see F1 brought back to life by an 18y old boy.
      The sport is gaining world wide interest again when he entered and that is exactly what F1 needed

    3. @ultimateuzair This is the original article, afraid I don’t speak any Dutch so I can’t tell you if the translation is accurate or not (beyond trusting automatic translations). Perhaps a Dutch reader can help out?: http://nos.nl/artikel/2129451-botsing-tussen-verstappen-en-ferrari-dreunt-nog-na-in-monza.html

      1. The translation is accurate @keithcollantine
        “Hij moet een beetje opletten met zijn uitspraken dat er iemand doodgaat, want hij heeft zelf iemand doodgereden. Hij moet naar zichzelf kijken. Ik vind wat hij zegt niet respectvol naar de familie van de overleden marshall”
        becomes
        “He should watch a little with his statements that someone dies, because he himself has killed someone. He has to look at himself. I think what he says is not respectful to the family of the deceased marshal.”
        which is a near perfect translation.

      2. The translation of his statement about Villeneuve is accurate. Harsh words.

    4. @ultimateuzair With Massa announcing his retirement and recent rumours, it’s hard not to think that Button will drive for Williams next year and Vandoorne at McLaren. And it was the right call to let Massa announce his retirement before any driver is confirmed at a team or another, he deserves such treat. But I do think both deals are already closed.

    5. I’m impressed with how well Verstappen responds to criticism from the media and other drvers, backing his statements (like his response to Villenueve) with facts from when he was himself 4 year old.

    6. Well then, I have lost every ounce of respect that I had for Verstappen. His attitude is disgusting. Firstly, Australia 2001 was not Villeneuve’s fault. Secondly, bringing up an unfortunate passing of a marshall shows that Verstappen just has no respect for anyone. I’ll admit I’m not a JV fan, but bringing up death is just a isgusting thing to do.

      1. + 1
        An answer to JV of utterly bad taste and disrespectful.

      2. This is the first thing that I have had a problem with regarding MV. So far I have enjoyed his feistiness on and off the track, but that is a low-life comment that indeed shows his immaturity…but then, he is indeed young.

        Ralf Schumacher had suddenly slowed unexpectedly, and as a result of the rear ending by JV into RS, a tire came off and by a fluke went through on opening in the fencing and killed a marshall. Total fluke and nothing to do with wreckless or disrespectful driving on JV’s part.

        Later in the season JV and Montoya had a tussle in practice and JPM said pretty much the same thing as MV just did, but that was in the heat of the moment but was also classless.

        I really like what I see from Max and he is human and I know is not going to do and say everything that everyone is going to agree with, so I’ll give him a mulligan on this. He also wasn’t accurate in blaming the Ferraris for his woes at Spa…it was his own bad start that started his day.

        1. It would seem RBR favor him to the point where some of his learned behaviors (trash talking/disrespect) are starting to shine through the adversity.

          Adversity is something of a window through the crud that people like to keep plastering up to keep things looking pretty. I like the nasty Max, it’s his real character shining through adversity, it’s also an opportunity for him to prove himself.

          The real question, as it was asked in MotoGP when Moto2 rider MM93 was running people off and over in his last 2 years of Moto2, will people shut up and pretend or will Red Bull consider helping a guy not be consumed by all the lies.

          +1 adversity, shines a little brighter.

  2. The calendar benefits massively from having some variety in track design. A high-speed circuit stands out massively from identi-kit early-2000s tracks and street circuits; add the carnival atmosphere in a very, very historic venue for the sport and you understand why keeping Monza is an immense positive for F1.

  3. I actually agree with Bernie Ecclestone here. The F1 rule book is horrifically over-regulated, and one part of that is the rules about racing wheel to wheel. They just make everything boring. Bearing in mind as F1 fanatics some might criticise Verstappen’s driving, and the teams and drivers might, but to the average viewer, I’m sure that it was a lot more exciting to watch than it normally is.

    All that said, however, I think if Bernie wants the rules to be improved, he ought to start by scrapping DRS.

    1. He ought to start by not only scrapping DRS, but also egging on the FIA change the aerodynamic regulations. The current regulations do not allow for DRS-free overtaking. DRS, quite honestly is a quick fix to that very problem that shouldn’t exist.

      1. DRS is NOT a quick fix, it’s been here since 2011 & it still doesn’t work properly. The only DRS zones that work are the main straights in Melbourne & Monaco because it allows the driver to catch up a bit not drive past before the braking zone. I can;’t believe this garbage is still being used. Brilliant FIA haven’t modified the zones & put DRS zones in the WORST possible places… ie. Canada. back straight & start finish straight where it needed to fixing.

        They haven’t even attempted one race without DRS to see. It’s just horrible all around it creates drivers driving like a time trial where they come across another car & it becomes a nuissance. Remember when drivers were constaly asking if they need to defend or let the guy through (well that’s now Pirelli’s fault)

        1. Michael Brown (@)
          3rd September 2016, 4:12

          @s2g-unit It’s seen as a quick fix to the “overtaking problem.” I put that in quotation marks because 2010 had more overtaking than any season with refuelling, yet that wasn’t good enough. Honestly, what perplexes me is despite that fact the races that stuck out most are Bahrain and Abu Dhabi, not that the season was incredibly close.

          There was nothing wrong with 2010 besides those tracks, and DRS meant Abu Dhabi could be lazy and not alter their awful layout.

          ground effects were set to be introduced in 2014 but the teams opposed it due to the engines being so expensive (for once I agree with the cost excuse). Now they’re adding more downforce and undoing the positives of the 2009 changes. Fantastic. It’s always in the FIA’s nature to break what isn’t broken.

          1. 2010 was technically the first season with a ‘drag reduction’ type systems with the F-duct, which most teams copied and, because of it’s success, inspired DRS.

          2. @selbbin

            In 2009 they had driver operated adjustable front wings (two changes per lap or something like that) to alter the aero slightly. This was quietly dropped but I don’t remember what the official reasoning was.

          3. Calum, the idea was that the trailing driver would be able to increase the front wing angle to counteract for the loss of downforce when following another driver.

            However, it was found that the drivers and teams were instead using it to adjust the handling balance of the car on track as fuel burned off so, more often than not, the drivers would either hit the limit for the range of travel of the front wing or couldn’t increase the wing angle any further without causing the wing to stall.

        2. I am sorry- what I meant was “it was the attempted and failed quick fix to the problem that shouldn’t exist”

  4. Bernie would like you all to forget whose brilliant ideas were ,refuelling, grooved tyres, high degradation tyres and many other crazy gimmicks he promoted that all were detrimental to racing.

    1. Maybe he himself already forgot about that too.

    2. High degradation was a great move but nostalgia critics won’t be able to stand it IMO

  5. Why did Charlie conceded now that he should have been shown a warning flag and why not during the race it was investigated? I try not to fall into what some sections say about FIA probably taking it lightly on Max but this seems absurd!

    1. Or it’s simply an incapable group that governs the race and can’t decide in the moment and if they do, it’s never constant.

      1. That’s the main problem: rules are never applied in the same way. Rosberg sets time under double waving yellow flags and none says nothing today, but tomorrow this is banned. Seb slips on wet track and pushed Massa out and get sanctioned, Ves voluntarily pushes 3 drivers out and get a pat on his shoulder. This is not a sport anymore. Very sad.

      2. On the contrary, the Spa Stewards were very experienced.

        1. That further highlights the question.

    2. @neelv27 Apparently when he initially saw it he felt it was fine but took another couple of look’s at it after the race & felt that it was worse than he initially felt it was.

    3. I can’t remember the last time I actually saw a black and white warning flag shown at an F1 race, nor the black and orange (meatball) flag.
      Do they actually still get shown in this age of computerised everything?

    4. Charlie tries to talk Max down (threaten him with something not in the rules which would backfire massive certainly here in the Netherlands) Charlie should ask Alonso to give Max a friendly talk because that is the one Max has respect for.
      Certainly not Charlie would doesn’t know his own rules! I forsee massive lawsuits coming

  6. Fangio, the OG.. *cringe*

    1. @balue If it didn’t have in brackets what it meant would anyone bar some of his fans have known it stood for original gangster?

    2. tgu (@thegrapeunwashed)
      3rd September 2016, 11:11

      @balue Fangio is the OG = Original Gentleman.

      Much as I love LH, that was genuinely a *cringe* moment.

      1. Not really. “OG” doesn’t have anything to do with being a gangster, even if that is the literal origination of the abbreviation. The term is used interchangeably with “elder statesman” or even just “older person” within urban circles. I’m 36 and I had a paid of college-aged young men address me as “OG” a few months back.

        This wasn’t a cringe moment, this was a black/white cultural lingo moment.

        1. Your explanation shows that it was a mark of respect from Hamilton.
          Just a matter of cultural rift (the journalist put the words without explaining their meaning, which he maybe just don’t know).

  7. I never understand all the hate against Putin. UK/US create far more wars and kill millions innocent people than Russia ever and mostly it done with fabricated justification.

    1. I didnt see any hate till you brought it up…

      1. Its about f1fanatics tweet.

        1. @ruliemaulana Where are you seeing an expression of hate in the tweet?

          1. @keithcollantine Putin will poison Ricciardo. Putin is evil.
            This is not the first time any article here to insinuate how bad it is to any country with questionable human right policy to held F1 Grand Prix.
            Putin’ GP. Oil Rich’ GP. Same derogatory fashion but using different label.
            This kind of labeling really doesn’t help F1 as global unity tool and the fact that this label never applied to any ‘indigenous’ European/US country show that was a personal choices and had nothing to do with the sport.
            Since everyone here looks literate I assume everyone knew that every country has its own dirt, so I believe its good to separate the sport with political view.

          2. @ruliemaulana

            its typical for those nationalist tendencies to shine over. But it would be nice to see some anti British,/US tweets too :) to keep things balanced :) But that might be terribly politically incorrect.

            I will offer a similar jibe, but at the next president of the United States. Ricciardo offers a peace sign to the former first lady. Suspect he might end up with a pole up his you know what, and then have it commemorated on the television with a famous roman quote, we came, we saw, he died.

            Yes, there is plenty of dirt to go around, especially in those countries who ride unchecked and unrivaled. It’s a universal human condition, corruption is.

        2. tgu (@thegrapeunwashed)
          3rd September 2016, 11:17

          @ruliemaulana You’re offended by a tweet that refers to Putin poisoning his critics? Gentle lamb, I doubt Putin needs you to come to his defence.

          1. @thegrapeunwashed I didn’t offended. I always found it funny but deeply irritating when someone believe their leader or their country are the champion of human right while they destroy million live abroad.

    2. @ruliemaulana, as Stefan notes, your post is the first one here to suddenly start with those sorts of attacks and complaints, with your post being written in such a way that you seem to be trying to deliberately provoke an argument.

      1. What irks me about the Russian Grand Prix is that people are always relating it to Putin, such as calling it the ‘Putin Grand Prix’ etc. Of course F1 is being used as a political tool in Russia, but this is no different to the Bahrain Grand Prix (or should I call it the ‘Shaikh Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa Grand Prix’?) or the Monaco Grand Prix, or the ‘European’ Grand Prix in Azerbaijan etc.

        1. @georgeod emm.. Bahrain, Azerbaijan never called as its leader’ Grand Prix. Its labeled an ‘Oil Rich Country Grand Prix’ same derogatory fashion but using different label. I can assumed that this self righteousness came from sense of ‘Greatest Country’ privileged.

    3. hard to take you seriously if you don’t seem to know the facts.

    4. ColdFly F1 (@)
      3rd September 2016, 10:15

      I never understand all the hate against Putin.

      Start reading some newspapers/websites and you’ll understand it. You might have to use VPN to get an objective one though.
      @ruliemaulana

      PS I’m some US Presidents (or potential future ones) will attract the same scorn if they use their local GP as a promo event and attend it personally.

      1. @coldfly using VPN or not, its up to each of us which news we choose to accept. I never said Putin was the good one, yet there was lots of evidence of destruction from the so called ‘human right protector’ countries too. So who are we to judge?

        1. When Putin killed 300 people, including many from my country, I judge.

          If you care about Russia’s image, ask Putin to stop murdering people.

          1. He’s also an embezzler and a bully who likes to send the Russian Air Force over NATO-aligned countries to try to provoke them into doing something rash so that he can politically reassert himself as the good guy in Russia. Formula One really has no business being in Russia (and far less Bahrain, for that matter)- on one of the worst circuits on the calendar.

    5. The joke flew past you like the Russian jets over USS Donald Cook.

      1. Ah ah ah exactly.

        @ruliemaulana It was just a joke, no hate intended. Can we make jokes about Putin once in a while?

  8. @keithcollantine, Karin Sturm interviewed Fernando Alonso for DER SPIEGEL yesterday, I think that one is pretty interesting. Among other things, Alonso complains that you go to the limit at every sport to get to F1, where you are now supposed to “drive slowly” for tactics sake.
    http://www.spiegel.de/sport/formel1/fernando-alonso-langsam-fahren-macht-keinen-spass-a-1110583.html

    1. @magon4 Thanks for the tip!

  9. I wonder on the basis of what actual rule Charlie would have disqualified Verstappen.

    1. he would have shown the black/white flag for dangerous/unsportmanlike driving and if disqualify him if he would do it again.

      1. @thetick, unsportsmanlike driving isn’t in the rules now is it? As far as I understand Verstappens move was fully legal. The stewards cannot just disqualify a driver for being morally overstepping the line. They must go by the book.

        1. ColdFly F1 (@)
          3rd September 2016, 10:18

          “27.5 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.”
          @me4me

          1. @coldfly, alright, fair enough. That would do to enforce a potential disqualification.

  10. They have a mock-up of the proposed changes to curve grande in the paddock & apparently most of the drivers are not fans of the plans & feel that the revisions will have a negative effect on the racing.

    1. @gt-racer

      have a negative effect on the racing

      They need reminding F1 isn’t the only series which races there, and is one of very few which chooses to rely on gimmicks like DRS to create ‘racing’. F1 should look to its own product to solve its quality of racing problems; it’s certainly not in a position to start lecturing anyone else about how to get it right.

      1. @keithcollantine They can keep the exiting layout & still build the additional bit inside curve grande for any categories that wish to use it (It’s mainly been done for the bikes anyway).

        I agree with the main point of your comment though.

        1. @gt-racer, have any other series also commented favourably on the changes though? Has anybody from, say, the Blancpain GT series or from the WEC, which are some of the series that also use the circuit, said that they think the changes are a good idea?

          Furthermore, although the changes were being proposed for the World Superbike Series, back in April they cancelled their contract with Monza for this year and returned to Misano instead. As far as I am aware, they haven’t formally confirmed that they will race at Monza in 2017 even if the changes to the circuit are made – so they might not even succeed on that front.

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