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Camera angles make F1 look slow – Button

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Following Bernie Ecclestone’s latest comments, @Robbie suggests F1 should avoid making further changes on top of those already expected for next year:

I suggest that at a minimum they should at least wait and see what the racing will be like next year with cars and tyres completely different.

Perhaps one of the reasons drivers feel the need to keep up speeds by taking license with the track edges is that they have to keep their tyres in an extremely narrow temperature window or they’ll go out of their optimum performance and durability. Perhaps with the new tires being tread wear tires rather than thermal tyres, not to mention they’ll provide more mechanical grip, drivers won’t feel the need to go over rough curbs so much.

I could easily be wrong on that, but it’s just an example, and I would wait and see what the product will be like next year before making any big decisions on things like curbing or walls or grass or gravel.
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  • 89 comments on “Camera angles make F1 look slow – Button”

    1. I’ve been saying this about camera angles, and especially lenses, for years! They are using narrow lenses, in order to make the cars larger even in the distance, but the problem is, this kind of lens does so by effectively killing the space in the Z axis. What this means essentially is that it is neutralizing the distance between itself and the target, which in turn makes it look as if F1 car needs 20 seconds to cover 100 meters, when it is actually covering over a kilometer in distance.
      Side-shots are not as bad, but they too seriously lack any dynamic.

      The reason these lenses are used, is because they really are the best in avoiding and reducing the distortion, in covering decent amount of details at any distance and therefor bringing more to the viewer. The downside is that nobody relevant seems to have thought about the negative effect these lenses have on the impression the car gives when viewed through them.

      I have often found myself almost rediscovering how exciting an F1 car can be, when viewing amateur shots from the grandstands. The cars look way livelier, faster and the whole impression is one of a much more dynamic experience.

      1. +35mm

        I dearly hope when the ‘new media’ people take over the tightly gripped broadcasting reins from Bernie, that they follow your advise. And also give us the option (for a small online fee) to pick our camera(s) and angles from multiple streams. They have the technology to showcase the speed of F1 technology, just not the desire.

        Bernie chooses to make it look more of a fenderless Sunday drive sport so those who take an hour to wind their Rolexes can keep up. And, imo, the directors should only be allowed one wide heli shot per race. What a waste of jet fuel.

        The amateur footage is always far more exciting – it conveys the brutal speed and deceleration of F1. If only the pros could produce visuals that match the speed and G-forces.

        1. @jimmi cynic “And also give us the option (for a small online fee) to pick our camera(s) and angles from multiple streams.”

          That’s on its way, select users have already been testing it out on the official app.
          https://f1broadcasting.co/2016/10/22/live-in-car-footage-set-to-take-centre-stage-in-revamped-f1-app/

      2. @biggsy, You have indeed, it’s amazing how long it takes for constructive criticism to be recognised for it’s worth in F1, and how glacially slowly it is acted on once accepted by all and sundry.

      3. The only camera that is currently in use that does provide a good view of how fast the race is, is the new one next to the drivers head. If only they would aim them a fraction up so you are not looking at tarmac only. Personally i would love to see more shots like that broadcasted during the race.

        1. Tommy Scragend
          28th October 2016, 9:26

          Which is not really all that new at all. It’s where the in-car cameras were when they first appeared, before they got stuck above the roll hoop.

        2. really? i hate that camera personally, same narrow lens problem as the trackside cams, i like the old fashioned wider T bar camera more.
          The shots from the nose ones were cool too!

          1. This side camera was used in the 80’s I think it makes things look faster. It was used to showcase a Senna quali lap in Monaco and the speed was crazy although that lap was slower than Bruno Senna managed in an HRT at the same track many years later.

          2. Agreed!!! We need wayyyy more onboard shots during every broadcast, and not the new ones! T-Bar!

        3. The drivers head camera is my favourite too, for the exact same reason you said. It really seems to show off the speed of the cars. I find the overhead makes it all look too easy.

      4. Zooming and panning, particularly panning fails to convey the speed.

        High mounted STATIC (no panning) cameras would be much better.

        I suspect the reason they zoom right in to the car is so it can be identified because otherwise they all look the same. This leads into another problem, non-distinct colour schemes… but that’s another debate.

      5. I just wish they would stop showing all uninteresting celebs in the pit lane and the millions of individual people around the track. Even the worst car on it;s qualifying out lap is more interesting than that.
        Also show a bit more mid and back markers in stead of mostly de top three teams would be nice.

        1. Haha I couldn’t agree more about celebs pit lane shots. :)

        2. Lewisham Milton
          28th October 2016, 19:43

          There’ll be loads of shots of Jenson wearing his McLaren earphones next year… bet he doesn’t complain about those!

      1. haha that was great

        1. Haha, I find it funny and I genuinely want to see Fernando do well!

          1. That’s terrible! And I loved it! It just kept getting funnier as the guy laughed. Internet humor at it’s finest.

      2. ;- )))) ROFL.

        1. Hilarious!

      3. Absolutely Brilliant…………. Hilarious …..Hahahahaha

      4. Oh my god! Comment of the Year!

      5. Haha, that’s very good @theessence

      6. Give a cookie to the genius who made this!

        For people who haven’t seen the parody of the new MacBook, this one is pretty good too :) https://youtu.be/KHZ8ek-6ccc

    2. Regarding wall or deterrents my personal suggestion is you keep the run off but have grass or gavel for a few meters first so if you track extend or cut the corner you are still penalized by the few meters of gravel or grass but after that you have the large run off area. if you dip a wheel on the grass you spin but if you run well wide and to fast you can still slow yourself down on the tarmac.

      1. I’ve always thought the same. Just a strip of grass would do it

    3. Sure Alonso… a really really really slow leak…

    4. An interesting point Button raises. I wonder if F1 would benefit from some more NASCAR-style stationary cameras on the straights at trackside (like this). They certainly do a good job of capturing the speed of a breed of cars that by their nature look clunky and slow.

      Having said that, I feel that this is a minor nitpick compared to the very real problems F1 is facing…

      1. @jackysteeg – Interesting idea. I think right now the only stationary cameras on an F1 track are the ones embedded in some kerbs that show the cars running over it. While dramatic, it doesn’t expose the speed as much as the video you linked to.

      2. There were a camera like this in Baku (last corner I believe). It gave fantastic shots. Was used twice during the whole race showing a single car each time.

        1. There were a camera like this in Baku (last corner I believe). It gave fantastic shots. Was used twice during the whole race showing a single car each time.

          @paulk – Ha ha ha 😂

          That’s the state of F1 today, perfectly summed up – tons of potential, but very little actualization.

        2. There was a similar camera used in the Formula E last season at the Buenos Aires ePrix (I think), sat on the second part of a chicane so you could see the drivers fighting the cars through it.

    5. >Lap time predictions supplied anonymously by the teams indicate performance gains of five seconds per lap for next year compared to a lap of the Circuit de Catalunya in 2015, but another putting the increase as high as nine seconds

      I already had a COTD maybe half a year ago when I said that nobody can really imagine how fast the cars will be in 2017. And they are going to get even faster in 2018 when the teams will gather all the data from the real testing, find new opportunities/gray zones, learn to exploit the regulations better.
      These rumours just assured me that we’ll have another knee-jerk change of rules maybe as soon as 2018/19 in a desperate attempt to make the cars slower again. If something REALLY BAD happens we might have the rules changed right in the middle of a season, just like in 1994.

      grooved tires…?

      1. @albedo Winter truck tyres.

      2. @albedo 2015 pole time was 1:24.681, so a 5-second drop from that: 1:19s, and a 9-second drop: 1:16s, which would be very close to the pre-2007 layout times. It will be interesting to see next year during pre-season testing and the Spanish GP weekend how much quicker they will actually be.

        1. ‘1:15s’

      3. I think those 4-6 sec/lap improvement predictions supplied to Pirelli were for the start of the season. You can add the in-season improvements once the new regulations are track-tested – usually another 3-5 sec/lap from the big teams in the first season of new regulations. Since nearly all the improvements are going to be in the corners with almost none on the straights we can expect spectacular cornering speeds – much higher than we have seen in previous seasons.

        Even Pirelli do not know how this will affect tyres because their specification for the mule cars used to test the tyres has been much lower. This brings back memories of the 2013 season when we were plagued with blowouts after inadequate testing.

    6. F1 could easily GPS track the cars to automatically determine when they leave the track limits and consequently punish them without affecting safety. The question then would be what penalty to apply. I think live time penalties should be looked at, some way of determining in a fool-proof manner if a driver has slowed on track significantly to apply a time penalty without requiring a pit stop.

      I’m still a fan of the physical solution such as gravel or wall, but there is simply no way no to compromise that with safety. How far do you go? It seems to be the question F1 is struggling with constantly.

      Kudos to the comment of the day, I agree there should be no great knee-jerk reaction, but it needs to be tackled at some point and meanwhile the current rules consistently need to be applied (unlike at COTA). It’s good to see the issue being brought up regardless.

      1. Totally agree, I suggest a drive-through or 30 seconds if the driver wrongly disputes culpability.

        1. @keithcollantine Thanks for the CotD mention.
          I’ve suggested a wait and see approach for next year but in general I’m not for walls, nor a tennis style eye on each line…these just are too cut and dry for my liking…too ‘anti-speed’ or ‘anti-racing’ if you will. These cars carry great momentum and I don’t like the thought of drivers having to ‘tip-toe’ the cars around at a time when they are also going for a more spectacular product on the track.

          1. Well if that’s the case (which is fair enough too if they want to take the product that way) then the rules should be built around that way of thinking. Not this situation of having the rules there, but choosing on a whim when or when not to follow them.

      2. Whenever track limit discussions happen I always think about a Blancpain GT race I watched a few years ago. The run off areas had a highly abrasive paint or coating on it where the car would still have the room to recover, however the tires would be adversely degraded when loads were applied to them. The second place car at the time was catching the leader, but overdrove a corner and hurt his tires to the point he no longer could match the leaders pace and actually had to fight off the third place car at the end of the race. If the driver had to use the areas for escape from an incident it seemed to be ok, but if the driver either lost control or used the area for further track gain the tires would suffer. Either slower lap times or a pit stop would result.

        1. Hmmm that’s a good idea! I’m imagining some kind of coarse sandpaper-like surface? An interesting concept I’ve not seen brought up much at all. Especially in an era where tyres will be pushed harder like we will supposedly have.

      3. GPS is nowhere near accurate enough, but the Hungary sensors would be perfect for the purpose you describe.

        Although, I’m still more on the side of ‘real’ deterrents than using time penalties and the like. I still believe time-losing run-off could be added at 90% of the corners F1 uses with no compromise to safety.

        1. High end GPS could be accurate enough (it gets down to centimeters, not what’s on our smart phones), and especially combined with force and acceleration data. You can even get extremely accurate position information just from these sensors alone – I’ve played with such data in MoTeC and it’s amazingly accurate even without the GPS.

    7. I totally agree with RIC on the walls issue, as I wrote more fully on the “Bernie wants……” article.

    8. Lewis Hamilton: ” We’ll start the auction with this late model I-Phone, bound to be a classic one day and still performs well enough for daily use, Who’ll start the bidding, shall we say $200,,,,,,,$150 then.

      1. Haha! Good one, what is going on there?

        1. Journalists are using their phones as dictaphones

        2. Tommy Scragend
          28th October 2016, 9:29

          The phones & dictaphones all belong to the journalists, so they can record whatever pearls of wisdom Hamilton comes out with.

        3. 21st century microphones…

          1. Bit silly, some of them are so far away. You’d be better off holding it to the speakers his mic is plugged in to…

      2. Backup phones in case his battery dies and he loses access to Instagram.

        1. Haha, good one.

    9. I don’t read German, but would it by any chance be McL. predicting a 9 second improvement over 2015 times ?

    10. I’d like to believe that it’s the seemingly endless run-off either side of the track which makes the cars look slow, instead of camera angles. I think that they still look incredibly quick on street circuits.

      1. I think they’re one and the same? You don’t have to / can’t get the camera’s so far away from the track on a street circuit?

        1. I’m not sure. Indycars travel a lot slower on road courses but their onboards and regular TV shots look so much quicker than F1’s. They tend to have grass or gravel on the exits of corners.

    11. Mark Hitchcock
      28th October 2016, 7:06

      Regarding camera angles, there was a great one at COTA that was looking over the crowd down the esses. Used once in qualy I think. It gave a great impression of the speed at which the cars change direction because it didn’t pan with them as tthey went through the corners.

    12. I though it would be interesting to share Keith’s eurosport rankings table and see if it correlates to the end of season driver rankings

      1 Daniel Ricciardo 12 25 25 1 25 18 2 10 2 15 25 18 12 25 25 15 0 18 0 0 0 273
      2 Lewis Hamilton 15 4 8 15 0 10 15 0 25 18 18 15 15 10 0 18 2 12 0 0 0 200
      3 Max Verstappen 2 12 18 8 18 0 10 8 12 25 10 10 0 1 6 25 25 0 0 0 0 190
      4 Nico Rosberg 10 15 15 18 0 0 0 25 0 0 6 2 10 18 18 12 15 0 0 0 0 164
      5 Fernando Alonso 6 0 4 12 4 25 4 6 0 8 12 0 25 6 15 10 0 25 0 0 0 162
      6 Sebastian Vettel 18 0 2 2 8 4 18 15 10 0 15 0 0 15 8 0 8 8 0 0 0 131
      7 Valtteri Bottas 0 0 0 10 10 0 25 12 1 0 4 1 8 12 0 8 6 0 0 0 0 97
      8 Kimi Raikkonen 4 10 12 0 6 0 0 0 0 10 0 4 4 8 10 4 12 10 0 0 0 94
      9 Nico Hulkenberg 8 0 0 0 0 15 6 0 0 12 1 12 18 0 0 0 10 0 0 0 0 82
      10 Jenson Button 0 0 0 0 12 6 0 0 18 2 0 25 2 2 0 6 0 6 0 0 0 79
      11 Romain Grosjean 25 18 0 6 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 8 0 4 0 0 4 4 0 0 0 70
      12 Carlos Sainz Jnr 0 0 0 0 15 8 12 0 8 4 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 15 0 0 0 70
      13 Sergio Perez 0 0 0 0 2 12 1 18 0 1 0 0 6 0 1 1 18 0 0 0 0 60
      14 Kevin Magnussen 0 2 0 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 0 0 0 0 0 0 39
      15 Pascal Wehrlein 0 6 0 0 0 0 8 0 15 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 32
      16 Felipe Massa 1 0 6 4 0 1 0 0 6 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 24
      17 Daniil Kvyat 0 1 10 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 0 0 1 0 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 20
      18 Esteban Gutierrez 0 0 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9
      19 Stoffel Vandoorne 0 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8
      20 Felipe Nasr 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 6
      21 Jolyon Palmer 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 5
      22 Marcus Ericsson 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2
      23 Esteban Ocon 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 1
      24 Rio Haryanto 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

      1. @lolzerbob I’m impressed you found time to put that all together! Of course I’ll be looking back on my notes on each driver from each race but I definitely won’t be using a points system to aggregate them. Also do keep in mind those rankings are written 24 hours after the race and it’s not uncommon that facts come to light after then which can alter the view of how each driver performed.

    13. Rick (@wickedwicktheweird)
      28th October 2016, 8:35

      Button has a good point. It is not easy to comprehend the performance of these cars, without putting them in the right perspective. The same goes for braking. Amateur footage of the first chicane in monza is more exciting to watch than the footage we get on TV.

      I think there is a quick fix to add a little more perspective. They should put an onboard camera on the medical car so the viewers can see the sheer difference in acceleration between an F1 car and a very fast roadcar.

      1. @wickedwicktheweird “They should put an onboard camera on the medical car”

        There are already in-car cameras on both the Medical & Safety cars. There used not only during the Thursday systems test (Often referred to as the safety car race) but also at times during the races themselves if the SC comes out.

    14. Chris (@tophercheese21)
      28th October 2016, 9:36

      I think FOM really should look into placing cameras in locations that will make the cars look faster and more violent.

      It’s funny, if it’s done well, even a boring race would appear to be exciting.

    15. Max, say mofo more, people will start thinking you are funny.

      Lewis should have accidently spilled that water glass all over the table. I mean really, who sticks their phone down NEXT to someones glass of water. Not the biggest fan but give the guy a bit of room!

    16. I completely agree with everyone’s comments here about camera angle, and I’d also add that the in-car cameras need improving as well. One positive from this year though is the awesome camera to the side and just behind the driver’s helmets. I ADORE this view, it takes me back to the Senna and Mansell day where it feels like you are perched just above the driver’s shoulder and holding on for dear life.

      Although… did anyone see the amazing BBC documentary about Sir Chris Hoy racing at Le Mans? The in car camera there showed just how ferocious and violent it is inside the cockpit. Brutal. If that could be recreated on F1 cars I’d be very happy indeed.

    17. After every weekend, Verstappen’s arrogance just grows and grows.

      1. I briefly spoke to him yesterday and think he’s ok, no worries. Might come across like that in the media but thats just filters. Media has been craving for any personality they could find..

    18. Look at the 2016 F1 Engine Components use chart… Mercedes clearly being a well performing supplier for their client teams (all are at the bottom of the chart). And it pretty much sums up Hamilton’s season.

    19. Perhaps like Biggsy, I’ve been campaigning for a camera revamp for years and years.

      Long shots foreshortening distance – narrow lenses are bad news in this case. Deep zooms of the cars that appear to be motionless for many seconds are pointless. There are a lot more problems, though.

      1) Lack of contextural foreground information. The biggest problem of the Tilke tracks are the generic presentations sans recognizable object that allow comparison for a sense of speed. You need people in the foreground. Or a recognizable building; I think this has a lot to do with Monaco being great to watch. Or trees, one of the great things about the old Hockenheim straight, or sometimes Monza when they frame the shot in certain ways.

      The best shot I’ve seen recently is the one over the crowd at Austin pointed down the esses, great sense of speed. But there are a lot of things I’ve never seen portrayed on television. One that comes to mind is seeing the 1st turn braking zone at Indianapolis from Stand 6, at a distance, and being able to see the drastic change in speed. One of the more interesting sights because with the foreground of distance giving scale, it visually informs you of how strange their braking capability is. You can’t see this zoomed in or with a tight shot.

      2) Pans, panning zooms: mid depth shots. They’ve toned this down recently I think. They’ll pull out of a zoom as the car comes to a corner and pan. Again, with the tight shot there is no context for speed. With the zoom changing, that makes it worse.

      3) Fear of wide angle lenses. Or at least human-view point lenses. This, combined with a fear of longer duration shots looking 45 degrees down track. They’re doing more of the Indy style “blur fly by”, which works, but lacks foreground info. A common experience live at a racetrack is watching a car slowly approach your location at high speed, and THEN the blur as it passes by. It’s the temporal context: non-zoom view of the distance, combined with the closing object passing as a blur. Chopping that into two shots – a deep zoom, then a cut to a closeup flyby – negates the sense of distance crossed at speed.

      4) “Arty” angles. Zoomed closeups of the car. Wacky steep angles in sudden closeups. Sometimes these shots work at Monaco and Singapore BECAUSE they’re Monaco and Singapore – there is context, but at Tilkedromes it’s just disorienting. Again, human perspective, more “I’m standing at the side of the track”, not “I’m floating 25 feet over the corner”.

      These are the result, I think, of historic habits in shooting field sports. The idea that you’ve got to have all of the action in a wide shot because “that only makes sense, right?”. I think they’re getting braver with long shots not being zoomed as much/more open, but ultimately I think they need to rethink the whole thing. Get George Lucas’ advice, he’s always milling about, or blatantly copy some of the long shots from Frankenheimer’s film.

      Human perspective, less zooming and panning.

      / $.10

    20. …and to add to Button’s point, with which I wholeheartedly agree, F1 camera angles also neutralize elevation changes – I remember watching an NBC broadcast from Monaco years ago where they must have had their own cameras, in totally different places to the regular shots we see, and that was the first time I realized just how sharply the cars climb and descend there – changed my whole view of the demands of that track. So yeah just having someone with a fresh eye rework how F1 is broadcast could do a lot. Goes without saying, the same applies to track design…

    21. As i’ve said before the biggest problem with the coverage now in terms of camera angles/panning etc.. is that there’s too much meddling from above.

      Many of the people at F1 communications now (The tv production arm of FOM) are the same people that were producing the coverage during the f1 digital+ days. The difference is that back then they were allowed to do things as they wanted & go after the very best trackside camera angles, panning the cameras in the best way to get the speed/action & direct the race to the best of the directors ability to follow the action.
      Now as the world feed broadcaster there having to take/been told to take the commercial deals into consideration (As the old local host broadcasters used to). Pirelli, Rolex, Heineken etc.. buy the trackside advertising & are paying to get there brand on TV & as such the TV crew are told by the commercial people at FOM to ensure these brands get the coverage there paying for & so camera angles are placed in order to do that & the camera operators are told to pan the cameras in a way to get all those advertisements in shot for as long & as often as possible.

      here’s some f1 digital+ laps.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vaxPG-cMts
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOjUwkCJTxU
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwS0aCvxv5k

      All that been said I gather that there has recently been a shift back towards the f1 digital+ way of thinking (you started to see that late last year with the mid-field guys getting more coverage if in a close battle) & that going into next year there looking at using more cameras & using a wider variety of angles to try & fulfill the commercial agreements while also having shots to get more spectacular shots & try & bring out the speed so things should be improving.

      1. Actually just a point on the in-car shots.

        Something thats changed this year is that the cameras are no longer modular. In the past the t-cam on the roll-bar was made up of 3 parts. The central base/communication section & then the forward/rearward facing cameras on either side. The camera’s on either side were the same camera pods/mounts as the cameras that were also placed on the side/nose of the cars & all of the cameras were setup the same (Wide lens, Angled downwards for the t-cam location) as they were all interchangeable.

        This year with the move to HD cameras the t-cam is now 1 single unit & this has allowed the cameras that are placed on the side/nose to be specifically setup for that location. Thats why were seeing narrower angle lenses been used in those locations & them been angled higher rather than all looking downwards as you saw in the past.

        Here is a shot of the old t-cam, you can see the 3 distinct parts & how the camera pods on either side cam be removed.
        https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/championship/inside-f1/rules-regs/Television_cameras_and_timing_transponders/_jcr_content/image16x9.img.1024.medium.jpg

        and here is a shot of the new t-cam housing for this year which as you see is 1 complete unit.
        http://i66.tinypic.com/154iqrs.jpg

        1. Thanks @gt-racer for all these insightful details.

    22. The current cameras need more perspective. And perhaps f1 could take a leaf out of indycar’s book and introduce helmet cans for all drivers. It isn’t necessary for them to substitute helmet cans for the normal on boards, but it would be nice once in a while

      1. Indycar doesn’t use helmet cameras, Not for live broadcast anyway. They mount a GoPro on a driver’s helmet for a few laps in 1st practice to record some laps for Youtube but thats it.
        http://f1weekends.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Visor_cam_mount_F1Weekends.jpg

        F1 was using live broadcast helmet mounted cameras fairly regularly from 2011-2015.
        http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3tfm9s
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh5gLAWl8QI
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZrmgeNXTR4
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3I8ZxbiT4Y
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTS6a83YwWI
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9A4vNwzEJ8

        The issue with those kinds of cameras is that you need permission from the team & driver to run them as there’s some extra wiring, a tiny bit of extra weight & also some aero effect. There are also safety regulations which cameras have to adhere to & it has to be shown that they cannot become detached which can be tricky.
        The sort of visor-cam that you used to see champcar mount inside the helmets are not allowed anymore due to current helmet safety requirements. Your not allowed to have anything placed inside the helmet that may affect the effectiveness of the internal padding or pose a risk to the driver should it become loose.

        Doing something for a few laps in practice is fine which is why you can see Indycar use a GoPro for a few laps without much issue. However a broadcast camera with the extra cables that is going to be mounted for long periods over a weekend or even just a race is a different matter with more stringent safety & driver/team consideration.

        1. I think he meant Champ Car

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta8WL7T4aro

          Best camera view of any motorsport, period, and it was done years ago.

          1. Whoops, you mentioned ChampCar :] It’s a shame they don’t use these anymore but you can understand the safety issue with it.

          2. Something i forgot to mention is that we were actually testing a similar visor-camera in 2002. Did some test’s with BAR & Jaguar but ultimately nobody was willing to actually run with it during a race weekend.

            The footage we got from the test’s is still sitting somewhere in the Biggin Hill archive i’d have though.

            1. That would be awesome to see

            2. @gt-racer Would this happen to be it?
              https://vid.me/BiZu

              Was shown during a pre-race segment on BAR on the F1 Digital+ channel.

    23. I wonder what’s at the root of the rumors about Dennis being forced out of his position. Could it be about a conflict with Honda about supplying other teams which I know Dennis is set against but Honda already preparing for?

      Or maybe Honda and a lot of staff have told the Bahrainis that they miss Whitmarsh generally and find it no fun under Dennis? Remember Fallows changed his mind about moving from Red Bull when he heard Dennis had replaced Whitmarsh, and maybe others feel the same way?

    24. Michael Brown (@)
      28th October 2016, 14:31

      The camera angles tend to frame the shot with the advertisements in the picture. This was very apparent with the Heineken ads in Canada this year.

    25. The reason it looks slow is because all the fast parts are done in convoys with 2sec between each car, no camera effects will change that.

    26. Would be interesting to know who pays for the cameras and crews at a Grand Prix. Bernie probably dumps all costs and risks on the track owners, hence lack of innovation. I recall hearing on commentary before that a local director chooses the shots broadcast.

      1. @emu55 If I remember correctly it is a team of the FIA itself.

      2. @emu55 @xtwl The coverage for every race apart from Monaco is produced by FOM using FOM’s own equipment.

        The local host broadcasters used to provide coverage but FOM started taking over in 2004 using the old F1 digital+ crew & equipment.

    27. Yeah noticed that on vettels car in baku, the camera mounted upper left side of cockpit is horrible, makes the car look as if its going about 40kph.

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