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F1 street track being considered in Denmark

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Did Williams get a bit carried away with their celebrations in Baku last weekend? This picture raised a concern from Ben:

If anyone fell down, that would be virtually all the drivers having to abort the final lap which would ruin it, and much more importantly, it is just dangerous.

Fair enough years ago, but how are they getting away with doing this now when they have just crossed the finishing line on the longest strait on any F1 track? It is a massive risk.

I am surprised nobody else has brought this up. Waving your hands is one thing, leaning right out at an angle and balancing on one foot and holding on with one hand is something else.
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  • 67 comments on “F1 street track being considered in Denmark”

    1. Great photos in Abu Dhabi for Force India!

      1. @dam00r Indeed, especially during practice when they run wide onto the painted run-off ;)

    2. “(F1 track designer Hermann) Tilke says it would not be a problem to construct an exciting track in the middle of Copenhagen.”

      Auto-Correction Mode ON

      (F1 track designer Hermann) Tilke says it would not be a problem to construct a boring track in the middle of Copenhagen.

      1. @sakis I was going to say pretty much the same. I do like Baku so I would reserve judgement before seeing what it could potentially look like, however it annoys me that Tilke is apparently the only person who is seen to be capable of designing a circuit these days. There are plenty of designers, architects, and firms, including those with knowledge of F1, who should get a chance at creating a good circuit. This idea that F1 has that “new circuit / modification = ask Tilke” annoys me a lot. It’s a ‘risk free’ option, I get that, but the most successful projects normally stand out, which most of Tilke’s don’t.

        1. @strontium Tilke gets used as often as he does because he comes as a full package with a lot of experience that ensures everything is done as efficiently & quickly as possible with little no no problems.

          What I mean by that is that you have to remember that it isn’t just Tilke thats brought in to design a new circuit, It’s his company so all the design, engineering, building & architecture is done under 1 roof with teams of people that have been doing this for years so know exactly whats needed in terms of the infrastructure, safety requirements etc…. That experience means everyone knows exactly what to do, How long everything should take to do & how to ensure everything is exactly as it should be.

          Bringing in other designers tends to mean you have to involve several other companies to do the building work & some may not have experience with circuit design which can (And in the past has) led to delays or other problems, Especially if the several companies involved don’t have good communication or don’t work well together.

          Should also be noted that just because a circuit is designed by Tilke, It doesn’t necessarily mean Herman himself designed it. The older circuits he did do pretty much by himself but some of the more recent one’s had a lot of input from others (Including teams & drivers).

    3. I have long thought a race in Denmark, or indeed any Nordic country, would be great, however only if there is space for it on the calendar, and only if there is a track worthy of hosting a race.

      1. I totally agree – but it might be annoying to deal with the snow levels if it was hosted in Scandinavia. I am really hoping for one in Finland. Still though, wouldn’t it be interesting and kind of funny to see Pirelli snow tires?

        1. @strontium @kimiraikkonen1207 There was once space in the calendar for it, and there was a Swedish track that hosted the race, and there was then no need for snow tyres, so…….

        2. Well, an extremely small possibility for a Finnish GP would be to host it at Kymi Ring ( MotoGP will do a round there in 2018.

          1. Is there anyone here who knows about Copenhagen? I’ve never been unfortunately. Quickly looking on Google Maps I can see that the citycentre is high density that grew whilst hemmed in by the old city walls. And beyond that it’s still pretty tight. And not much open space for a pit and paddock. But then I’ve never been so what do I know?!

            1. Apart from a couple of wide major streets doesn’t strike me as well suited to a street circuit, and I’m pretty sure the millions of cyclists would object vociferously to the road closures.

            2. I live in Copenhagen and I find it difficult to host an actual F1 race in Copenhagen. The streets are worn out, the road paving is old and bumpy aaaand the streets are narrow AF. Through the last few years the city of Copenhagen have invested heavily on wider bike paths and better conditions for the bike-happy people living in the city meaning the development is going in a completely different direction than accommodate any sort of Grand Prix or race. How are they even considering this as an option?

              Build it in another place like the south of Sealand (Lolland Falster in danish). That would be great!

    4. I know that people on here often seem to be fairly down on street circuits, However one of the things i’ve been hearing is that Liberty are actively looking at introducing more street circuits where possible as they see them as a way of taking F1 to the people.

      It’s the model Champcar used the final couple years it was around & what Formula E are doing currently. Go to cities that are highly populated and/or good tourist areas & take your product to the people via what Champcar used to call street festivals of speed.

      The problem that Champcar found however is that while that approach did attract a great crowd, A lot of them weren’t there to watch the racing & instead turned up for the other activities. The result of that was while the 1st 1-2 years at a new street venue attracted fantastic crowds, They weren’t actually attracting new fans that turned up year after year so attendance ended up fading as the years went on.
      Take San Jose, The 1st race held there in 2005 saw 150,000 attend over the weekend with that figure dropping to 120,192 for 2006 (Only 83,248 of which were paid attendance) with a minor drop to 120,000 for the final race in 2007 (81,538 of which were paid for).

      The only memorable part of that track was the ridiculous tram-line bumps the 1st year that caused a lot of damage to cars over the weekend as well as a few ‘minor’ injuries to drivers (Both of which officials insisted be kept quiet).

    5. Re COTD, Dear Mr. Hogweed, righteousness is on your side but I am old enough not to care about being PC so I will ask you to not be a killjoy, life, after all, is dangerous. Do you not ever walk on a footpath with nothing more than a small kerb to protect you from the idiyot driver texting or doing some other thing that is incompatible with safe driving? Thought so.

      1. @hohum

        I am with you on this. Come on, everyone, let’s not let the health and safely stuff stifle us too much………..We do have to have some joy in our lives!

        1. COTD is a line of thinking I come across a lot in my line of work. I think it’s a silly way to view life. Take some chances, live in the moment! This holds especially true when circumstance puts you in a genuinely special moment.

          Quit being such a baby. Live a little little for crying out loud.

          1. Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
            2nd July 2017, 9:23

            You all may think I was over reacting to what they did but several of you seen to be over reacting to what I said. If you think about it, public roads usually just have footpaths beside them as the generally are nowhere near as dangerous as motor sports! There are huge barriers everywhere on tracks. There are reasons why they need to fix them all before they continue with anything if they get broken. If there is anything loose on the track, they all to often need to recover it. This is what safety is like these days and they need to consider it a little more than they do in some areas. If drivers say a fans cap is a risk, then doing what the Williams team did is far bigger. Just think what could possibly have happened if that guy hanging right out just got a little more over excited. It will have been a disaster, especially as Bottas could have overtaken Stroll on the other side. If this had happened, then every will have reacted like me and said they shouldn’t have done this and must do something to prevent it happening again.

            A reply to my comment by Jorge Oliver said this:
            “I remember it was explicitly prohibited two or three years ago and was clearly stated in the rules.”

            I just think it is a little too much what they did. That mesh wall is for showing boards with data on them, not for doing what they did. They can easily celebrate behind it or just wave their hands through and then congratulate Stroll after it all. I do thing leaning out a little will be alright, but one of them as I said, just went a little but too far.

            1. The rule Jorge Oliver refers to came into force at the beginning of 2006. Interestingly, there doesn’t seem to be any sign of it in the regulations, so it may have been revoked since then.

      2. @Ben COTD So in your world people should not have any fun? They should bottle up emotions just to be ‘safe’? How about we all stop real racing and do it all on computer from the safety of our homes. You remind me of the idiots who banned do-nuts and the fools who stopped drivers using colourful helmets designed for each race. Let’s all band together and suck all the remaining fun from F1. How about be ban champaign bottles on the podium. I mean the drivers get wet and may slip and fall into the crowd or bang a knee on a step. How this got COTD beggars belief.

        1. So in your world people should not have any fun?

          Did he say anything even remotely close to that? No.

          The fact of the matter is mechanics have in the past been prevented from doing this sort of thing because the risks involved are huge and it would only take a small, innocent mistake to create a lethal situation. And if that were to happen I am quite certain the ‘don’t be a killjoy’ brigade would be asking why it was allowed to happen.

      3. @hohum, given all the moaning from yourself and the others here about “health and safety gone mad”, all I can say is that I doubt you have ever had to deal with the consequences when something has gone badly wrong.

        1. Well anon (whichever 1 you are), “health and safety gone mad” was not part of my comment, nor is it a crusade I am embarked upon, but you are right, in 70 fairly adventuress years I’ve never had to clean up after something has gone badly wrong, probably most of us never have, because fortunately “things going badly wrong” are a very small percentage of the possibilities of “things going badly wrong”.

      4. @hohum Political correctness, which I’m guessing is what you mean by ‘PC’, is using terms which do not discriminate against minorities and marginalised groups. What does that have to do with safety?

        1. No @keithcollantine, it’s clearly political correctness gone mad:

          1. No @tomd11, we do live in a safety obsessed era, but automatically lumping that in with political correctness is a lazy mental shortcut, which also allows people with questionable political agendas to lump many other things in there too. But anyhoo, point here I think is that guys celebrating on the pitwall for getting a rare podium is just cool and fun and we shouldn’t always look at the worst possible outcome of a scenario to regulate everything to a T.

            1. @maciek I take it you didn’t watch the video I linked ;)

            2. fair enough and true that @tomd11 ; )

          2. @tomd11 I love that. Especially the bit about Al Murray.

          3. @tomd11, Thanks for that, I hope you don’t think I’m 1 of those. The thing about safety is that it is very unsafe not to regulate once someone complains about safety. Take Golf f’rinstance, lightning strikes on links is relatively common, should links be closed on all days that rain is forecast? But if anyone fights against link closure on non-sunny days they will be blamed for the next time someone gets struck by lightning on the golflinks, and if in the USA the club committee will be sued for allowing the golfer to play on a cloudy day.

        2. “Political correctness” is also used as a catch-all term for anything that is expected to please an allegedly-prevailing political view at the expense of whoever is complaining.

        3. @keithcollantine, Must consult WikiP, sorry if I’ve used the wrong term but I have always thought of PC as being far broader than racism and discrimination.

    6. Please not another street circuit.. Oh god what have we done to deserve this !

    7. That is a very interesting piece by Will Buxton. I agree with all he says there. Take a quick look at Youtube comments, for example, to be truly shocked. I had a look at a video of the Lewis/Seb incident a few days ago, and scrolled down hoping for some sensible discussion. To say that is not what I saw would be a serious understatement. The first comment, which was at the top due to having been up-voted by the most people, was a short, sickeningly racist statement about Lewis Hamilton. The sort of thing I could not possibly quote here. I was genuinely horrified and really saddened.

      So what’s going on? I often wonder if it is the very anonymity of the internet that creates this sort of thing, but it must be there in these people for real, as they are going about their daily lives, and now given a chance to rear its ugly head from the safety of typing on their computer anonymously.

      There seems to be a rejection of simple facts these days, and we really do seem to now be living in a post truth, ’Trump world’. We can all be guilty of getting carried away, on here I think the level of respect is generally very good. Having said that, I am going to make a concerted effort to be ever more respectful online, and remember we are all fans of the same thing, and are probably nearly all decent people, even if we often disagree!

      1. RP (@slotopen)
        2nd July 2017, 3:24

        I haven’t noticed a change here. I suspect this is better moderated though.

        Im curious about what is promoting addition vitriol. Surely not the Vettel/Hamilton duel. It isn’t really unique or even interesting if you are not an F1 fanatic.

        So I don’t Understand. Is this bigger than F1? Has the baseline nastiness increased? Politics emboldening jerks? Seems like a stretch.

        1. @slotopen Thanks that’s always nice to hear. Do YouTube and the rest do anything in terms of moderation? It certainly doesn’t seem that way, as the appears to be no limit to the amount of abuse you can heap on people there.

          I started writing F1 Fanatic partly because I wanted to share my passion for motor sport with other people, and to my mind that doesn’t encompass abusing people because you don’t agree with them. For the most part it’s not even a question of taking offence, it just strikes me as a tedious and juvenile way to behave.

      2. Here we go with everyone being racist if they are always saying positive stuff about Lewis. Some people are but come on do we always have to play the race card?

        1. “Here we go with everyone being racist if they are always saying positive stuff about Lewis”


          “Some people are but come on do we always have to play the race card?”

          The moment you stop denying that he’s being subjected to racism, the moment you’ll stop referring to it as, “playing the race card”, which is a very ignorant, narrow minded and dismissive statement to make.

          Racism is not a game that people play for fun, it’s real and people have lost their lives fighting against it.

          1. Racism is not a game that people play for fun, it’s real and people have lost their lives fighting against it.

            Painfully true, and in historic terms it hasn’t been that song since the complexion of the world was radically different – 50 or so years since Marting Luther King was assassinated and the American Civil Rights Act of 1968, and more recently 20-odd years since apartheid ended in South Africa. No mobiles, no internet.
            Now we have a smaller, more open ‘freer’ world, and technology has given us the other end of the scale, what with social media etc, you’d think prejudices are harder to hide, yet we see powerful exploitation of online ‘anonymity’ to voice hurt and harm. As Will Buxton says, “we live in an odd time” and “drowning in vitriol” it seems in a world of seesawing extremes.

      3. Let me reframe what I said. Maybe what you saw was bad bc it is out there and that’s sad but it gets old when you see people jump right to that for every little thing and it’s out there. It’s the first thing a lot of people say when someone’s not 100% on his side or has a negative opinion of him. That’s what bothers me

        1. @racerdude7730

          I certainly would not accuse everyone who is criticizing something Lewis says or does as racist, as I am totally convinced that is not the case at all. I was drawing attention to the fact that the youtube comment I read, at the top of the comments list and therefore by definition the most popular comment on that video, was savagely, appallingly racist. I mean, we are talking about the kind of language that it is actually hard to believe even would ever be used in 2017.

          I think that reflects what Will Buxton said in his piece. Many folks seem to have perhaps gone a bit far in recent times. I am not saying it happens much on here. I am consistently impressed by how good natured it tends to be on here.

          The gist of my comment, in case it was not clear, was I suppose I would like it if everyone was a but nicer to each other………:)

          1. @paulguitar, part of it seems to be the fact that people instinctively tend to seek out views that reinforce their own views, rather than being prepared to challenge them – they create an echo chamber for themselves, which often tends to push them to increasing extremes.

            Some social media sites have been accused of inadvertently reinforcing that trend as a consequence of offering news stories or recommendations of social groups which are based on the personality of the person they are dealing with.

            That process tends to create a self reinforcing cycle, since that person will tend to see an increasing amount of information from a single viewpoint that they want to see – they then interact with that in such a way that it then triggers that site to then serve them more of that content, something which some political organisations have become extremely adept at manipulating. In your case, I sadly suspect that whilst you might be rather shocked by the sort of racist language which was being used in that instance, that person probably spends most of their time seeking out information which will serve to reinforce their prejudices.

            It is not a new phenomenon by any means, but it is perhaps becoming more marked in recent years as a consequence of the hands-off attitude of a number of the media giants, in the most part because a number of them feared the backlash if they were seen as censoring debate.

        2. Yea observation as a whole however. The overall quality of online comments for the sport really did head to the gutters when Lewis Hamilton entered the sport. Those that complain about the Verstappen fans in the last 2 years….multiply that by about 10. Thats not to say they are horrible people, but more highlights how good it used to be.

          Whether it be petulance, nationalism or whatever, I don’t know. You cannot fault Lewis for it however, as this is just the downside of there being a mass influx of new fans to the sport.

          1. @bamboo I think the raise in social media and the internet In general is more to blame than any single driver or set of fans. I mean Hamilton joined f1 in 2007 and at this point social media was very young. YouTube had only been around for a couple of years, twitter around 6 months – 1year and Facebook although launched in 2004 had only become the worldwide success in 2005-2006. I wouldn’t put the increase in nasty online comments down to a driver, set of fans or even f1 in general. It’s a problem much bigger than all of those things. It used to be much better because it was genuine fans on much smaller forums often better moderated than bigger social networks. Now you have anyone with a phone, tablet, laptop etc able to quickly and anonymously have their opinion.

          2. Well, Lewis entering the sport kindof coincided with the democratization of Internet and participative platforms, too..

      4. I have noticed a gradual increase in internet hostility in the 13 years since I started using internet forums, due to more people getting less education about netiquette before joining less-well-moderated, more anonymous platforms… …and a big increase in the last 18 months, fuelled by politicians who think the style of stereotypical YouTube comments are a good (if extreme) way to communicate with other people. The style has caught on for those who didn’t know or really really subscribed to the principles of netiquette. The already-overwhelmed moderation facilities of social network platforms has not even come close to equalling the sheer scaling-up of the vitriol. Add weaponised vitriol as a tool of cyberwarfare to the mix (think of collectives such as the 85 Rubles Bunch), and you have a lot of reckless and deliberate hostility in the air.

        Targeted ads and promoted selective content certainly haven’t helped. Yes, they make people more money than scattergun approaches to ads/infomercials, but they also have helped reinforce bad habits, of encouraging mindless adherence to stereotyped ideas (because they pay more than more moderately-framed ads in the online space). In the last 18 months, ad-blockers have become increasingly deried or simply end-run – especially on Facebook, which has changed its ad format to look more like something a friend added to the timeline. This gives the ads a more organic feel and causes them to be more likely to buy the additional push towards a less moderate mindset, even if the product itself isn’t investigated further. This probably wouldn’t be legal off-line, at least in the UK, but there’s an expectation that people can see the differences more clearly online – possibly because internet users have become accustomed to US norms for suitable advertising formats. (I can tell I’m not a stereotype the ad models recognise yet because even the targeted and selective things tend to come across a wide span of opinions).

        I’ve noticed it across nearly every subject matter I’ve come across, in nearly every platform I’ve come across (I can think of 2 fora, one tiny one I manage and the other on a niche subject (albeit big), where that hasn’t happened) so I don’t think F1 at any point had influence over this.

    8. Neil (@neilosjames)
      2nd July 2017, 3:08

      I largely gave up mentioning politics online a few years ago when the extremist nuts got up a head of steam (left and right wings are equally ridiculous and touchy) and turned everything into a shouting match, filled with utterly mindblowingly outlandish claims and insults. A common viewpoint appears to be ‘either you agree with me or you’re a [insert string of offensive words here]’, which is incredibly unhealthy.

      And I think that sort of ‘rantiness’ that lots of people see on a daily basis – often from non-anonymous people – seems to have normalised, among the easily influenced, the possession of fiercely tribal, extreme viewpoints. Being middle-of-the-road and expressing balanced opinions has become unfashionable among certain demographics… it’s like you have to be on a team, or a side, and you have to constantly and vociferously attack everyone else.

      There have always been people like that in F1, but it’s definitely worse now than I can remember it being. Very sad…

      1. No one ever wants to be middle of the road. There’s to many crazy people on both sides. Some a little more crazy then others but it is sad. That’s why the whole race thing bugs me. Let’s forget the color and just have an option but left people tend to jump to it so fast which then fuels the crazys on the other side where they norm prob wouldn’t have said anything. I just wish none of it went on

    9. Living in Denmark myself I know how much trouble they had to hold and pay for the Eurovision when they hosted a few years ago. When you think of the cost and logistics of an F1 race then it becomes impossible. Although there are MANY patriotic Kevin followers here, the majority if Danes know very little about F1. The fact they have no FormulaE race is a good indicator of the general level of interest. Unless Kevin got a great drive and could challenge for a title it will remain a pipe dream, and I will eat my Hamilton hat if it ever happens… but if it does I’ll of course be there!

      1. Agreed. I too live in Denmark (and as my bad spelling may suggest I am Danish) and parallels to the (financial) debacle of the Eurovision Song Contest appear obvious to me. It sometimes seem a special societal trait here in this country that overly optimistic estimates are provided for things that we would like to do in order to have them OK’ed. Then, once it has been OK’ed, the real costs, which would have been obvious without rose-tinted “the best case will always apply” spectacles begin to appear. And then mess deepens.

        In this case private funding is expected to foot the major part of the bill, and it is claimed that this part is already in place. That this based on the rose-tinted budget, leaving any escalating cost to be picked up by the public. Sunk cost fallacy, anyone?

        Apart from the financial side of the issue (skipping sporting considerations completely here) practical issues are not addressed. Close to 20 % of the Danish population lives and works in the Greater Copenhagen Area. Setting up a track in central Copenhagen will for months (initially) and weeks (in case of repeat races) interfere with the infrastructure of an already heavily congested urban area. Copenhagen is a very small area, heavily built-up and bordered in by water. If you interfere with the infrastructure, alternative routes for up to one million people are essentially non-existent.

        I don’t live in Copenhagen but I have had clients there and know the city and its transportation infrastructure well. Closing off a city centre may be possible in a small place like Monaco (where most of the race infrastructure has been developed over many years), but trying to to it somewhere like Copenhagen will grind the entire city to a halt for weeks and months.

        If a Scandinavian race should be on the calendar (and I would dearly love that) the sensible thing would be to look to Sweden where F1 races have been held at Anderstorp before. A business case for upgrading that to F1 standards would be interesting to see and compare with a sober estimate for Copenhagen.

        I would love to be able to go to a F1 race in my own country. But I hope it is not going to happen. The costs (money and practical) are simply too high.


        1. Why not – do you think the conditions are better in other places ? Stop all that whining and let it happen –

          1. Yes, I actually DO believe that things are better in other places.

            Both Melbourne and Montreal are street circuits in a major city, sure. But both are made up of roads that are not, as far as I understand, part of the city’s major transportation networks. You wouldn’t be able to do that in central Copenhagen.

            Singapore is a street circuit and appears to involve major roads. However, Singapore has a highly functional public transport infrastructure of underground trains. While Copenhagen does have an underground metro-line, it is very limited (so far two sort, partially overlapping lines), and an overground train network that mostly serves traffic to and from suburbs. So most traffic infrastructure is road-based (car or bus) and will be disturbed.

            Baku is a case that probably matches Copenhagen. However, in my view, a major difference is that Azerbaijan is yet another case of some pocket-size dictator seeking legitimacy through F1 exposure with little regard to what it means to the population. Disregarding any complaints that I may have about the Danish Government we’re not facing THAT kind of scenario.

            Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see an F1 race in my country. But, realistically, it won’t fly. And other nearby opportunities appear to me to be better, like Anderstorp. Too bad that’s in Sweden :-)

            But you may call that whining if you so wish.

            1. Bugger. That was two *short* underground lines, not *sort*.

    10. Hermann) Tilke


      not be a problem to construct an exciting track

      Choose one.

    11. Too many people seem to wait for quick and easy affirmation to their own belief & preferences. And way too trigger-happy behind cyber anonymity. And that’s the problem, no longer you have to face actual consequences for the things you say.

    12. With regards to the new colour scheme of the tarmac run-off areas at Yas Marina, am I allowed to say ‘turd’ and ‘polish’?!

    13. Polish. Not Polish! Oh dear, I’m making it worse. You can’t polish a turd. There you go.

      1. @unicron2002 Don’t worry I got what you meant :-)

      2. Being a father of 3, in my experience ‘making it worse’ is exactly what happens when you polish a turd…

    14. RE: COTD, what’s with the fun sponge

    15. Martin Strümpfer
      2nd July 2017, 10:30

      Re COTD – Perhaps the FIA should investigate Williams for potentionally dangerous behavior. :D

      1. Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
        2nd July 2017, 13:06

        They don’t need to investigate it I think :D

        I just think they went a bit to far. What they should do it limit how far you can lean out as one of them was just so close to falling onto the track. I don’t understand why so few seem to be at all concerned about this. Yes, nothing did happen, but if it did, it could have been terrible. People would be very worried if it did happen. And it wouldn’t happen if something prevented teams from doing this before it happens. That is my point. I don’t want to stop teams celebrating and having fun. I can fully understand why they were so excited, but it could potentially have ended really badly for one of them especially if he wasn’t being extremely careful (which you tend not to always be when you are very excited). This was the main reason I was concerned.

        1. @thegianthogweed, Thing is though Ben, they are professionals and well aware of the situation and the danger therein, were it spectators doing it I would agree entirely with you.

    16. Lol at commentcof the day. Get a grip mate and just let people have some fun! This smacks of all what I abhore in Australian society at the moment.

      Fun police are out to put the fire out on the elation felt by those just out to celebrate and not harm anybody.

      So they may fall? Woop de doo! So what, you can’t mitigate every single possible thing that may or may not happen im life.

      If you are that stressed I suggest you don’t leave the house. Better yet don’t get out of bed (although that has proven to kill people as well).


      1. I massively agree with you COTD is a massive whimp

        1. Ben Rowe (@thegianthogweed)
          5th July 2017, 13:43

          Just read one of Keith’s comments that it explaining the reasons why it isn’t safe after somone else critisized my comment. The fact is, teams used to be prevented from doing this as the danger levels are very high. If something did go badly wrong (which it could do), the consiquences could be terrible and you would probably have a totally different view on it then. The fact this used to be prevented in the past showed that it was a concern and they were trying to keep things safe back then. It just suprises me a little that these rules don’t seem to be used anymore. I didn’t say anything about wanting nobdy having any fun which is what about half the comments seemed to be implying my preference was.

    17. What’s wrong with the surface at Yas Marina track? Rough asphalt at Abu Dhabi, is it possible?

    18. Frank the Tank
      4th July 2017, 5:44

      Anyone who’s ever met or dealt with Buxton when the camera’s turned off knows exactly how he is. It’s great to see the public finally catching on and I laugh about him blocking people, I’ve had him blocked for years.

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