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Mallya to face extradition trial in December

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In the round-up: Force India team co-owner Vijay Mallya will go on trial in Britain in December, facing possible extradition to India.

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Max Verstappen’s complaints about the kerbs at the Red Bull Ring were not accepted by many but Peter was an exception:

Seeing cars stuck in the garage and not out on the racetrack because some stupid kerb ripped the floor off the car (as happened with Sainz) isn’t good for anyone. I want to see cars on track and not stuck in the pits with damage.

If you want to discourage drivers from going off the track then put grass there which is a deterrent that costs them time if they run onto it but doesn’t start tearing bits off the car costing fans the opportunity to see drivers on track and costing teams damage that a lot of them can’t afford.

Having kerbs that can do a lot of damage to cars just isn’t correct as a driver isn’t always having to run over them due to his own mistakes and having floors ripped off a car because they had to run over a kerb avoiding a spun car or maybe sliding on oil or something (see the 2002 qualifying session) that isn’t down to the driver making a mistake surely isn’t right.

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  • 26 comments on “Mallya to face extradition trial in December”

    1. Would be great to see Verstappen at Ferrari, or even Alonso, Ricciardo or Sainz.
      It’s time for Kimi to go.

      1. If RB had a big hissy fit about Sainz at TR. I would expect they would be taking a hammer to RIC or VES real quick. ‘Sure you can go but we are keeping your kneecaps’.

        Again. Alonso is not going back to Ferrari. If they wanted him Vettel would have taken Kimi’s seat not Alonso’s.

        I do agree that Kimi should make way for someone else. And I really like Kimi.

        1. The only signed him into their programme very late unlike Sainz

    2. Duncan Snowden
      8th July 2017, 1:31

      DC needs to read Buxton’s Racer article. I don’t necessarily agree with his analysis of the incident itself, but he’s absolutely dead on the money when he says, “This really isn’t about the incident anymore. It’s far more important than that”. The FIA has made an absolute mess of this, and set a very dangerous precedent.

      1. We cannot verify the source of such statement but I think we can ascertain regardless of the source that Vettel’s penalty was emitted considering the events of the race rather than a black and white rulebook.
        Such occurrence is a tragedy!
        IMO the Vettel penalty is fine, considering the aftermath it’s okay. I, agreeing with Brawn, like to see some emotion, in the end thankfully it was all there was, we see far more dangerous behaviour with cars driving erratically at high speed or cutting each other off.
        The real issue is the fact that Vet’s penalty was unquestionably put forward after Mercedes lost Hamilton’s race. It’s a complete lack of standards and transparency and it’s not fair. I reckon they had in mind to investigate Vettel after the race, give themselves time and then act upon it but seeing that Vettel was going to win, the stewards issued the harshest penalty they could dealt considering the lack of evidence, but because they issued it after Hamilton’s missive, Hamilton which by the way, speaking of safety was in much more dire situation, unprovoked situation though, meant Sebastian came out in front of him, and that was never going to sit well with the established press, a bit like Hamilton and Alonso in Valencia except that got swept beneath the rug, a penalty that in the grand scheme of things looks like it was beneficial but actually Vettel could have won the race. I think Ferrari got out easy because of that loose headrest, it’s not like the FIA would penalise Vettel for the same offence twice, otherwise, I could see at the very least a 10 place grid drop for Austria, probably considering the lobbying, a 1 race ban.

      2. I disagree. He was given a fitting penalty in the race, then forced to apologise in public and admit responsibility (grudgingly). Everyone’s acting as though drivers are going to be crashing into each other just for the fun of it now.

        Everything @peartree said above I agree with.

    3. I can’t see Max going to Ferrari while Seb is still there. If we are to believe claims that Seb has a right to veto the teams choice on its second driver, you can be assured that he will exercise it.

      Not so much because of Max’s speed on track, it would have more to do with his off track demands. Joos will be making sure that he gets equal treatment and will probably try to get the better of any psychological battles that may emerge. With Ferrari, if history has taught us anything, they are a “one rooster” team, having a second rooster will only end in tears.

      If Max is going anywhere, it will be Merc I feel. Lewis has asserted over and over that he doesn’t care who sits in the next car, so hopefully there aren’t any caveats to that.

      Bottas to Ferrari. :)

      1. I can’t see that either, at least not from that sorry piece of journalism.

    4. Why are drivers like Hamilton, Ricciardo, and Vettel copying Vijay Mallya’s hairstyle?
      At least they’re not sporting man-buns.

    5. re: COTD – yeah, and they should push the walls out at Monaco, because tracks should be designed to allow drivers to do anything without any fear of damage to the car like Yas Marina – a *real* circuit that F1 that *real* F1 fans love.

      1. @helava It’s not the same comparison, Monaco has always been had walls close to the track & they shouldn’t have pushed the walls back on some corners.

        AS for regular race tracks, there should be gravel or grass & not the ridiculous kerbs or parking lot run off areas that have no punishment.

        I know, I know the FIA & safety standards for all categories have forced the change but you know what it will never be always safe & the drivers accept those risks. I know many will disagree but F1 has become too clinical/too sterile & I’m pretty sure they’ve gone past the safety demands. Bring back a challenge, give the tracks gravel runoff areas & then we could have avoided all the “did he gain an advantage with this 2 wheels off track in this corner” NONSENSE!

        1. @s2g-unit, one of the problems with gravel traps is that, if a car does end up in one, you then end up creating additional risks for the marshals who have to recover that car.

          As the cars tend to dig in and often can’t be easily towed or pushed out of the way, that necessitates the use of heavier lifting equipment to remove the cars – that, in turn, makes it more laborious to move the cars, leaving the marshals potentially exposed to greater risks (say, if you have cars aquaplaning off in a particular area). The need for marshals to be working in close proximity to mobile heavy lifting equipment also creates its own risks for the marshals – recall that, only a few years ago, a marshal was killed at the Canadian GP when he was run over by such a piece of equipment.

          Frankly, this is one thing that really annoys me about this debate – that the safety measures at the tracks extend far beyond the drivers and extend to those working around the track, but few fans seem to care about their safety.

    6. If Brown has all those toys, what did Ron get as a going away present?

    7. “Nor can one imagine the tennis authorities giving the odious Daniil Medvedev the extended ban he richly deserves for hurling 30 pieces of silver at an umpire at Wimbledon on Wednesday. Cycling, by contrast, did itself a big favour this week.”

      Theguardian couldn’t be more wrong, it’s not their problem really, it’s a new world’s problem, everyone has a strong minded opinion though nobody seems qualified to give one, I’m not nor is the journalist, difference is the journalist is paid for his opinion and I’m not, though somehow usurping the power and the face of journalism at will is more trustworthy than giving out an opinion out of pure emotion. Medvedev acted emotionally, afterwards he refrained from admitting what can be implied from his gesture, a smart move but nevertheless he’s his own man, he’s responsible for his own actions, I say he made a full of himself maybe he knows that, he said he was acting emotionally, the tournament responded the only way they should, the tournament assures transparency, the tournament speaks for itself, in what overly politically correct world should we punish Daniil because what he did is obviously not a nice attitude, we can’t travel back in time and we cannot extinguish the room for interpretation and the room for doubt, the opportunity to question someone or something because to do so is not better than fascism.
      I do wonder if the journalist actually knows what actually happened, I mean if he saw what happened in both events he makes comparison to f1.
      The Sagan saga is a like a Greek tragedy, what can be said, Peter was banned because he got hit by another rider, and he was prohibited of appealing the decision. The guardian calls that cycling doing itself a big favour, does he mean contradicting the opinion of most riders, contradicting most people who saw the incident from all angles? Is it cycling big favour appeasing to peer pressure, lobbying, viewing figures? I do wonder, because I can’t see from a sporting perspective how is Sagan less of a contestant than Cavendish.

      1. The Sagan Saga is a bit more complicated than just the punishment fitting the crime:
        Sagans action, while probably unintentional took out a competitor (for the rest of the championship, not just for a race). At the same sprint there were other irregularities, but those were cleared and forgotten.
        Don’t forget Démare is French, and NOW has a real shot at winning Green. It isn’t the first Tour where the judges favour a French cyclist.
        On the Daniil issue: Tennis is and always has been rather strict in the punishment of unsportmanship, don’t know what happened here…
        On the Vet-Ham issue: F1 Gold! We can cry and moan as much as we want, but F1 comments, articles and websites have peaked on readings and responses. People who stopped watching F1 years ago or didn’t watch F1 at all might follow up on this by watching the outcome of this years championship.
        VET is punished, and IMHO about enough. Some would’ve chosen the death-penalty, but hey, everyone his/her opinion

    8. The great Argentine footballer Coulthard is referring to’s last name is spelled Maradona.

      1. Thanks have changed it. Not being a football fan I hadn’t noticed it was wrong in the original!

      2. Coulthard was right. Mentioning Maradona’s Hand of God only remind us all of The Best Goal of World Cup History after.

    9. Glad we’ve moved on from Baku and focus on the future, …
      … like Malya’s trial later this year.

    10. The Verstappen story is utter rubbish. In fact, in the Red Bull camp they’re convinced that the Sainz camp is spreading that fake rumour in order to sow discord. And I’m not making that up.

    11. Also, the Sagan comparison is painfully wrong. Almost the entirety of cycling thinks that the decision to disqualify him is farcical and extraordinarily unfair. F1 should definitely not try and learn from it, because then draconian punishment for ‘grey’ incidents would become the norm.
      Typical pro-Hamilton nonsense.

      1. Apart from that, the Sagan decision is painfully inconsistent: other similar issues were punished less harsh or not at all. Like Cav eliminating Veelers a few years ago.

    12. Levente (@leventebandi)
      8th July 2017, 7:36

      Re: COTD
      In a street circuit like Monaco and Singapore, the guys are also punished if they go a few inches off with damage to the car.
      Yet most of they can avoid getting into the wall…
      Also in the early 90’s, there were many, really high kerb around the tracks, yet people could drive around them…

    13. This article is unbylined and cites an anonymous source.

      Independent indeed.

    14. Wow, didn’t know about Zak’s Brown car collection. This guy has all the race cars I love driving in simulators. I wish I had only one of them. I can’t blame him for not focusing on the current Mckaren situation. Too many distractions!

    15. Alonso’s first wdc was lo long ago that his car is now a classic in the official F1 game?

      Codemasters that’s cold

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