Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes, Monza, 2017

Mercedes quickest again but Ferrari close in

2017 Italian Grand Prix second practice

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It was another Mercedes one-two in second practice at Monza but Ferrari were much closer in the afternoon session.

As the widely-expected rain continued to stay away Bottas improved on the best time from the morning by just over a tenth of a second, setting a best of 1’21.406.

Lance Stroll spun his Williams at Ascari while several drivers were setting their best times, causing some disruption among the front-runners. Lewis Hamilton went second fastest, within a tenth of a second of both Bottas in front of him at Sebastian Vettel behind.

The Ferrari driver showed much improved pace in this session along with team mate Kimi Raikkonen, who backed him up in fourth place. However Raikkonen was unhappy with the balance of his car later in the session and went off at Lesmo 2 at one point.

For the second session in a row the two Red Bull drivers occupied fifth and sixth places, albeit it well off the pace of the two quickest teams. The McLaren pair narrowly led the remaining runners. Stoffel Vandoorne headed Fernando Alonso by two-hundredths of a second and another two-hundredths covered Esteban Ocon and Felipe Massa.

Carlos Sainz Jnr ended the session just outside the top ten but his session was curtailed by a smoky engine failure. Kevin Magnussen also came to an early stop after a suspension failure on his Haas.

Pos.No.DriverCarBest lapGapLaps
177Valtteri BottasMercedes1’21.40625
244Lewis HamiltonMercedes1’21.4620.05624
35Sebastian VettelFerrari1’21.5460.14033
47Kimi RaikkonenFerrari1’21.8040.39834
533Max VerstappenRed Bull-TAG Heuer1’22.4091.00334
63Daniel RicciardoRed Bull-TAG Heuer1’22.7521.34622
72Stoffel VandoorneMcLaren-Honda1’22.9471.54131
814Fernando AlonsoMcLaren-Honda1’22.9681.56231
931Esteban OconForce India-Mercedes1’22.9771.57143
1019Felipe MassaWilliams-Mercedes1’22.9851.57942
1155Carlos Sainz JnrToro Rosso-Renault1’23.1501.74421
1227Nico HulkenbergRenault1’23.2721.86614
1330Jolyon PalmerRenault1’23.3171.91134
1411Sergio PerezForce India-Mercedes1’23.3521.94643
1518Lance StrollWilliams-Mercedes1’23.4031.99736
168Romain GrosjeanHaas-Ferrari1’23.5672.16131
1720Kevin MagnussenHaas-Ferrari1’23.6502.24420
1826Daniil KvyatToro Rosso-Renault1’24.2532.84728
199Marcus EricssonSauber-Ferrari1’24.8943.48839
2094Pascal WehrleinSauber-Ferrari1’25.2953.88925

Second practice visual gaps

Valtteri Bottas – 1’21.406

+0.056 Lewis Hamilton – 1’21.462

+0.140 Sebastian Vettel – 1’21.546

+0.398 Kimi Raikkonen – 1’21.804

+1.003 Max Verstappen – 1’22.409

+1.346 Daniel Ricciardo – 1’22.752

+1.541 Stoffel Vandoorne – 1’22.947

+1.562 Fernando Alonso – 1’22.968

+1.571 Esteban Ocon – 1’22.977

+1.579 Felipe Massa – 1’22.985

+1.744 Carlos Sainz Jnr – 1’23.150

+1.866 Nico Hulkenberg – 1’23.272

+1.911 Jolyon Palmer – 1’23.317

+1.946 Sergio Perez – 1’23.352

+1.997 Lance Stroll – 1’23.403

+2.161 Romain Grosjean – 1’23.567

+2.244 Kevin Magnussen – 1’23.650

+2.847 Daniil Kvyat – 1’24.253

+3.488 Marcus Ericsson – 1’24.894

+3.889 Pascal Wehrlein – 1’25.295

Drivers more then ten seconds off the pace omitted.

Fastest times by tyre

DriverTeamBest super-soft timeSuper-soft gapBest soft timeSoft gap
Lewis HamiltonMercedes1’21.4620.0561’21.956
Valtteri BottasMercedes1’21.4061’22.3930.437
Daniel RicciardoRed Bull1’22.7521.3461’25.2093.253
Max VerstappenRed Bull1’22.4091.0031’22.7310.775
Sebastian VettelFerrari1’21.5460.141’22.5090.553
Kimi RaikkonenFerrari1’21.8040.3981’22.4350.479
Sergio PerezForce India1’23.3521.9461’23.4041.448
Esteban OconForce India1’22.9771.5711’23.2011.245
Felipe MassaWilliams1’22.9851.5791’23.4031.447
Lance StrollWilliams1’23.4031.9971’23.6631.707
Fernando AlonsoMcLaren1’22.9681.562None
Stoffel VandoorneMcLaren1’22.9471.5411’23.8721.916
Carlos Sainz JnrToro Rosso1’23.1501.7441’23.8131.857
Daniil KvyatToro Rosso1’24.2732.8671’24.2532.297
Romain GrosjeanHaas1’23.5672.1611’24.2242.268
Kevin MagnussenHaas1’23.6502.2441’24.3992.443
Nico HulkenbergRenault1’23.2721.8661’23.7811.825
Jolyon PalmerRenault1’23.3171.9111’24.1472.191
Marcus EricssonSauber1’24.8943.4881’25.5013.545
Pascal WehrleinSauber1’25.2953.8891’26.1524.196

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22 comments on “Mercedes quickest again but Ferrari close in”

  1. McLaren showing the other teams that slipstreaming in qualifying will be incredibly helpful. They’ve nailed it so that they can tow all through sector 1, with braking in the middle of the track at turn 1 so as to not upset the car on a quick lap.

    1. @hugh11 Very nicely executed by the McLaren drivers! Although I am sure the race will end up being a shocker for them.

      1. @ju88sy
        They could cooperate during the race as well. Full cycling style or the way they do it on ovals in IndyCar.

  2. Mercedes vs Ferrari
    Williams vs F.I
    Rbr from behind
    This race has potential!

    1. And maybe a couple of drops of water as well?? :D:D:D

  3. It’s interesting that Ferrari are running a standard rear wing rather than the low drag spoon shaped type they had in Belgium. It’s not even as flat as Red Bulls rear wing either.

    Most of the teams have now shifted over to curved rear wings now even at the more standard circuits. It’s odd that Ferrari would ditch it at a circuit where drag is most crucial.

    1. The spoon shaped rear wing is used in Spa because even though it’s relatively low downforce, there’s still the 2nd sector which is twisty. Monza is deifferent as it’s pure low downforce, so the spoon shape would create more drag. Typically, skinny rear wings like the one Ferrari are using is the norm.

      1. The theory behind the spoon shaped wing is its lower drag than a level wing at the same downforce levels. When Mercedes re-popularised it, they did so specifically for Spa and Monza. It took them a while before they started using the spoon profile at other circuits as well.

        Red Bull go with such a flat, tea-tray profile wing I can understand them not resorting to the spoon shape. But Ferrari has been using the spoon profile, and their Monza wing isn’t anything like as flat as Red Bulls. I’m sure their data shows it’s faster and if practice times are anything to go by it looks like they’re right, it’s just interesting that a low drag solution isn’t being used for the circuit with the lowest drag requirements.

        1. The theory behind the spoon shaped wing is its lower drag than a level wing at the same downforce levels.

          If this was all to it, then they would always use it. It has to be more complex.
          I think the spoon wing has a higher discrepency between downforce/drag produced on straights and in turns. As you can see, the centre – more drag producing – part of the wing gets less air on the straights (being sheltered behind the centre air inlet), but is exposed to more air in turns when it gets air coming from an angle. Therefore, the sharper the turn, the more air it gets and produces more downforce.

          So, although you behefit on the straights, it’s a matter of the track characteristic whether you also benefit (or lose) in the downforce demanding sections of a track as well.

  4. Ferrari closer… this is the best news so far. Ultras not being available, I highly doubt someone will broke the lap record, only maybe the Mercs with a tow and if they manage to go under 1m20s on their own speed. These cars may be faster in corners and better under braking (they’re heavier too, yeah), but the top speed dropped so much that the time gained over a lap is canceled. VET again not looking that good regarding the top speed: 8-9km/h down on HAM, 14-15km/h down on Force Indias. I think Ferrari should pay a little attention to FI when setting up the car, given the top speed difference and that it’s highly possible 3rd row will be a FI row, not to have an ugly surprise to be overtaken at the end of the straight and spend a full stint (or more) behind a slower car.

  5. MB ran very few laps on 2nd practice.. did they guess setting soon or.. sandbaggin..

    1. Saving mileage

  6. Where’s everyone from this morning complaining about oil burning ? Oh they switched off because there’s no point watching for the rest of the season….

  7. Read somewhere that Ferrari did NOT update their engines this weekend? Is this true? I think it’s a very good strategy since Monza was going to be Mercedes territory anyway and Singapore is not so much about engines. That gives them time to develop a great engine for Malaysia onward, and if they outperform the Mercedes PU then there’s nothing Mercedes can do about it except taking a costly grid penalty.

    Which would also mean Ferrari is free to burn 1.2L/100km of oil this weekend because they are running old PUs. Then why all the fuss about Mercedes oil burning in the comments?

    1. Imagine that you are Claire Williams of Vijay Mallya! Not only are you getting the updated Mercedes engine later than the factory team; at Singapore where it makes little difference, not only is it the lowly customer version but, to add insult to injury, because of Mercedes introduction schedule the engines *you* receive will be limited to 0.9 L/100 km, not theirs. I’d be pretty furious. Wouldn’t you?

      1. Those dastardly people with the 3 pointed stars. The utter shame.

      2. @Henrik actually no. Considering Claire is getting her engines extremely discounted this year, she’s happy. Vijay has been arrested, so he’s got bigger things to worry about right now.

    2. Yes, it is the third Ferrari PU, same used at SPA. Probably 4th one wasn’t ready yet or better they opted for more lubricating oil allowed, to match MB.

  8. Probably Mercs last chance of a 1-2 this year?

  9. Evil Homer (@)
    2nd September 2017, 4:13

    For those watching Sky for practice, when Horner was getting interviewed and saying how much Red Bull invested & nurtured their drivers I swear JEV walked past in the background (if it wasnt him if was a good look alike)- if it was him how ironic :)

    Looking forward to quali and thinking this could be a pretty good race out front!
    Good to hear Ross Brawn saying this penanlty system needs changing but should be good to see the Red Bull gys come through the pack.

    1. Who’s JEV??

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