Vettel must seize chance to strike at Hamilton

20 comments on “Vettel must seize chance to strike at Hamilton”

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   C
   22nd October 2017, 15:24

   At this point taking points off Hamilton wont help much, with Bottas there to support Hamilton while the “golden boy” will left alone without Kimi’s help.
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      nase
      22nd October 2017, 16:14

      Where does that “golden boy” nonsense come from?
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         Urvaksh (@thedoctor03)
         22nd October 2017, 17:30

         He’s just trolling… best to ignore
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            nase
            22nd October 2017, 18:22

            @thedoctor03
            Yeah, that I already knew.
            But still, I’ve seen others use that, in quotation marks or not (and exclusively in overt or covert hate speech). And I have absolutely no idea where that comes from.
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               anon
               22nd October 2017, 19:11

               nase, the first time that I saw it being used, it was actually being used to criticise Marko rather than Vettel and the way in which Marko would so aggressively attack those who criticised Vettel or even suggested that Vettel was guilty of any offence.

               It seemed to me to become more prevalent after the 2010 Turkish GP, where he repeatedly criticised Webber in the press whilst absolving Vettel of all blame for the clash (to the point where he was saying that Vettel was right to turn towards Webber even if knew that Webber was still alongside him and such a move could lead to a crash).

               It seemed to me that people were rather riled at Marko’s rather obnoxious behaviour at the time (with Webber indicating in his biography that even Vettel found some of Marko’s behaviour rather embarrassing) and his almost obsessive attitude towards “protecting” Vettel.

               To that end, I saw some fans refer to Vettel as Marko’s “golden child” as Vettel seemed to be so precious to Marko that he would so aggressively attack other drivers if he though they’d wronged Vettel, even when they were his own drivers (such as the time that he started shouting abuse at Alguersuari in the garage because he accidentally held Vettel up during a practise session).
               Over time, as Marko seemed to have more of a negative impact on Vettel’s attitude at the team, that nickname seems to have stuck to Vettel as Marko and Vettel became more closely associated with one another – at least, that is what I recall of the situation, though others might have a different take on the matter.
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   nase
   22nd October 2017, 15:45

   Being on the inside will put him in position of power. Hanging Hamilton out to dry on the outside – as Hamilton famously did to title rival and team mate Nico Rosberg two years ago – would increase his chances of slipping back into the pack, which Vettel badly needs to happen.

   It’s been two years, and I still find it infuriating. There was nothing passive, not a trace of a “you brought that upon yourself” apect, about the incident, it was a clear shove and deliberate act of forcing another driver off the track. Completely incompatible with tons of other rulings. Glorifying that kind of driving makes me sick to my stomach.
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      Martin
      22nd October 2017, 16:08

      If it has been 2 years and you are still infuriated you must be apoplectic at what Vettel did to Hamilton in Spain .. and god knows how angry you are over what Vettel did to Hamilton in Baku
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         NoName (@noname)
         22nd October 2017, 19:03

         @Martin Double standard of course from @nase. When Hamilton does it he’s still raging inside but when Vettel pushing people of the track in Silverstone or crashing into people in Baku he simply ignores it.
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      Michael Brown (@)
      22nd October 2017, 16:23

      I find it unsportsmanlike but it is legal, since we’ve seen plenty of examples of that kind of move in the past. The stewards view the driver ahead and on the racing line as the one who has the right to the corner, so that driver is allowed to “hang people out to dry,” a euphemism for pushing drivers beside them off the track.

      This has happened plenty of times over the years, with no penalties given. Magnussen did push Hülkenberg off the track in Hungary this year, but Magnussen left the racing line to do it, so he was penalized.

      The rule that states that drivers must leave space for cars alongside them only applies to straights.
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         Ju88sy (@)
         22nd October 2017, 16:46

         @mbr-9 Exactly, I would expect everyone of the top drivers to do the same thing. We’ve already seen the kind of Driver Max is with his (now regulated) antics under braking to the driver behind.

         Again I expect nothing less from any of the Top drivers @ the OP you’ve not been watching enough F1 over the years if it makes you feel that way. That was nothing compared to Senna and Schumacher who both used the deliberate crash to ruin a rivals chances.
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      David BR (@david-br)
      22nd October 2017, 16:36

      I’d be really quite happy to see Hamilton do the same to Vettel if it’s a legal move. And would have no complaints if it’s the opposite. Wheel-to-wheel contact with no damage to anyone or their car, what’s the problem? If one car has the racing line, it’s up to the other to cede or cause contact, even if they’re driven wide (as long as it’s not at a danger spot). No more aggressive than Vettel hurtling towards Verstappen and causing a 4-car collision. A lot less in fact. Still it’s Hamilton, so some unmeasured hostility is to be expected.
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      tgu (@thegrapeunwashed)
      22nd October 2017, 17:17

      nase, you must get sick to your stomach quite a lot. How about this year when Vettel clearly, deliberately and unnecessarily pushed Verstappen off track at Silverstone? Hamilton at least had the excuse that he’d won the racing line and was taking the corner as normal, whereas Vettel had to steer off his normal line to deny Verstappen a chance.
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         NoName (@noname)
         22nd October 2017, 19:06

         @thegrapeunwashed He simply don’t care about it. He’s only focussing when Hamilton does something to be angry about, always the double standard.
   5. 

      Neil (@neilosjames)
      22nd October 2017, 17:17

      Surprised such a small, insignificant and entirely legal move can create such ill-feeling…
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      Patrickl (@patrickl)
      22nd October 2017, 19:28

      Maybe you should try to understand the rules about who has the ritghts to the racing line and who should yield. Perhaps you’d be less infuriated then.

      Just wondering. Are you just as infuriated how Vettel shoved Hamilton off in Spain? Exact same move, but somehow I get the feeling you would react differently to that one.
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   paulgilb (@paulgilb)
   22nd October 2017, 16:32

   At the first race in 2012 the drivers who qualified first, third, fifth and seventh ended lap one in the top four places.

   Not according to http://www.statsf1.com/en/2012/etats-unis/tour-par-tour.aspx – the top 4 at the end of lap 1 were Vettel, Webber, Hamilton, Alonso, who had respectively started 1st, 3rd, 2nd, and 7th (thanks to Ferrari changing Massa’s gearbox to move Alonso onto the better side of the grid).

   The situation described has incidentally happened at least once before, in Hungary 2003.
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   BlueChris (@bluechris)
   22nd October 2017, 16:49

   I don’t think Vettel can do much in start except for a mistake start from Hamilton. If both go to the corner and vettel tries to squeeze Hamilton then Hamilton can do whatever he wants to hold his spot risking a crash or anything relative.
   The championship points difference and the 3 races to go is in Hamilton favor in everything and noone can accuse him if he does hold his ground.
   To me this championship is allready finished and only exceptional circumstances of bad luck and bad management can turn it arround which is a thing that Mercedes and Hamilton dont seem to suffer lately.
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      F1 in Figures (@f1infigures)
      22nd October 2017, 17:21

      @bluechris True, Vettel has a lot more to lose by colliding with Hamilton. He may even lose his 2nd place in the drivers’ championship if he takes himself and Hamilton out in the first corner.
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         BlueChris (@bluechris)
         22nd October 2017, 19:06

         This is not what im talking about, im talking about Hammilton, he has all the cards in his hands, no matter what will huppent he cannot loose this championship.
         I hope Ferrari and Vettel learn alot from this year mistakes.
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   Ju88sy (@)
   22nd October 2017, 16:49

   It absolutely threw it down this morning, delayed the circuit opening due to a Lightning Storm that we enjoyed from our hire car!

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