Quotes: Dieter Rencken
In the round-up: Sergey Sirotkin gives his verdict on the race which put both Red Bull drivers out of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
What they say
I saw it from onboard on Max’s camera. It didn’t look like he moved much under braking. From his point of view it looked like it was kind of correct.
We all know on the rules if you move there you cannot move back and blah, blah. It was much less of a movement than would be enough to say that he went over the limit, but enough movement to make confusion for Daniel.
Obviously in such high speed it’s also very bumpy so you can hardly see where you brake and so on. Obviously [Ricciardo] was confused right in the crucial moment before the braking, he couldn’t do anything more from there onwards.
I’m sure there will be many people who say one of them is completely responsible but in person I just think it’s a racing incident. Such a tricky track, such tricky weather, a misjudgement between both.
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Social media
Notable posts from Twitter, Instagram and more:
Just back from @BakuCityCircuit. Still can't believe a red flag wasn't thrown for Grosjean's accident. Couldn't miss the spot the next day on a track walk. pic.twitter.com/wPbDMNp8wL
— Charlie Southwell 🐻 (@charliesaidthat) May 2, 2018
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Snapshot
A fourth-place finish on her Indianapolis 500 debut 13 years ago marked Danica Patrick out as a future star. Having left IndyCar for NASCAR at the end of 2011, she is now preparing for a one-off final bow in the race.
Links
More motor racing links of interest:
Perez hailed as F1's 'most underrated driver' by Force India (Sky)
"As a racer he's amazing and, not that we would ever want to lose him, but I think it's criminal that he's been overlooked."
Macau could need circuit changes for new F3 (Autosport)
"The car will come with the lowest weight possible, and we will then run simulations to do what it takes to make Macau suitable to that car and to that power-to-weight ratio."
Opinion: Can Brabham Automotive emulate McLaren? (Autocar)
"The Brabham BT62 looks the part, and on paper it has the performance to match. It should appeal to those who enjoy and can afford £1m track-only hypercars. Where Brabham Automotive goes next is the big question. Will it settle for filling a track car niche, or aspire to grow into something bigger?"
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Comment of the day
Will there be a race in Miami on the 2019 F1 calendar, and what will it be like?
Miami’s climate is different from the rest of Florida’s. Miami’s climate is similar to that of the Caribbean’s whereas the rest of Florida is sort of an extreme version of the climate of the rest of the US east coast (humid sun-tropical). Also Miami is a fantastic place to have something like a Formula One grand prix – the weather is ideal in winter and with Los Angeles and New York it is the most cosmopolitan and cultured city in the entire US.
Less sophisticated places like Indianapolis and Detroit are not suitable for F1 because those cities have less appreciation for exotic stuff. And for anyone who hasn’t actually been to America- you will find that the West and East Coasts are two very different places climate and culture wise. For instance- having been to both Long Beach (Los Angeles) and Watkins Glen (New York State) and having lived on both coasts, I can attest to them being very different places. America is a cultural melting pot – that’s why it needs either two or three races.
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Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
3rd May 2018, 0:21
Thanks to F1’s new and freshly punished rookie, we have the definitive analysis of Max and Danny’s incident.
Is he angling for a race steward position next year? Or is this a really slow F1 news day?
Douglas Chigudu
3rd May 2018, 0:56
“Oh by the way, and in case u were wondering, I might just be looking for a better seat for myself in F1, so what better way than to see no evil and hear no evil. Catch my drift????” …Sergay (longnose) Sirotkin
Admo
3rd May 2018, 1:56
i mean, he was asked for his opinion (or how it is put, his verdict), and he gave it. What would have liked for him to say?
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
3rd May 2018, 4:15
Ideally, for him to say..”As a rookie Pay Drive, I’m not qualified to give a definitive opinion. Now ask me about my penalty.”
Or just not to be the headline at racefans on a slow news day.
Patrick (@anunaki)
3rd May 2018, 7:10
He’s at least as qualified as us fans to give his opinion imho
ColdFly (@)
3rd May 2018, 7:47
Realist 1: cynic 0 ;-)
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
3rd May 2018, 20:02
Well then…must ask Keith to stop putting our definitive comments in article headlines. And personally, will lobby the F1 media to stop pestering me with inane questions on slow news days
Jon
3rd May 2018, 2:00
They should have thrown a red flag for the Gross-jeans incident! I agree with the social media post. We woulda had give or take five more racing laps of what was an awesome GP.
Jere (@jerejj)
3rd May 2018, 3:17
Regarding the COTD: It’s ‘ subtropical,’ not ‘sun-tropical.’
Retired (@jeff1s)
3rd May 2018, 8:25
I’m sure Suntropical is a beverage brand somewhere ;)
Phylyp (@phylyp)
3rd May 2018, 10:25
Dietrich Mateschitz thanks you for giving him a new flavor, @jeff1s
JohnH (@johnrkh)
3rd May 2018, 8:53
Well he is correct in as far as it didn’t look like he moved much. But the thing is that shot from inside Verstappens car doe not show the initial move to the right. The part move to the left ( just enough to block Ricciardo) looks minor but turns out to be significant.
GeeMac (@geemac)
3rd May 2018, 9:04
Exactly. Riccardo was doing 340kph at that point, even a minor second movement would be enough to throw him off. The rule is clear for a reason…you can’t move twice when defending position. From the moment Verstappen moved back to the left the crash was inevitable…
erikje
3rd May 2018, 10:28
@johnrkh
Look this analysis”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D9cYz4C0I8
JohnH (@johnrkh)
3rd May 2018, 13:01
Thank you.
Mark (@blueruck)
3rd May 2018, 13:44
Great video, thanks for sharing
Philip (@philipgb)
3rd May 2018, 9:19
Perez is very good at doing what he did in Baku, which is to say patiently laying in wait for a podium to fall to him. But while that works wonders in a midfield team, occasionally picking up the scraps left when the big 3 stumble, I just can’t in all honesty rate him up with the top 6 drivers on the grid, and I’m not even sure the top 10.
Rob
3rd May 2018, 15:25
he has also being the top of the rest last 2 years, its not just fortune on those podiums. He has been 7th in points last 2 years, his consistent has to tell something.
Philip (@philipgb)
3rd May 2018, 18:09
7th in the 4th best car that was in a performance gulf between 3rd and 5th best cars
Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989)
3rd May 2018, 9:41
That’s because the F1 steering wheel is insanely responsive at those speed, you only need the minimum input in order to completely change direction and you don’t have to fight the steering wheel as well. Max did actually weaved 2 times to defend his line which is against the regulations and he did move in the braking zone which is very dangerous and was banned by the F1 because of Verstappen himself.
MCBosch
3rd May 2018, 10:36
For everyone that keeps saying you can’t move twice: Keep updated on the ‘latest’ news…. Same source as @Tifoso1989: https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/39362780
Also in the Formula1 – Sporting regulations – 2018 ( https://www.fia.com/file/64928/download/20784?token=z2tsV81N) this is what’s actually said about driving. Basically the catch-all rule is 27.4. The stewards don’t seem to think that the particular rule predominantly applied to Verstappen. So it’s time to move on and get over it.
27) DRIVING
27.1 The driver must drive the car alone and unaided.
27.2 Drivers must observe the provisions of the Code relating to driving behaviour on circuits at all times.
27.3 Drivers must make every reasonable effort to use the track at all times and may not deliberately leave the track without a justifiable reason.
Drivers will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with it and, for the avoidance of doubt, any white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
Should a car leave the track the driver may re-join, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any lasting advantage. At the absolute discretion of the race director a driver may be given the opportunity to give back the whole of any advantage he gained by leaving the track.
27.4 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person.
Roel K. (@rj01)
3rd May 2018, 15:20
I Totally agree to this. Time to move on and get over it. Come on guys.
Green Flag (@greenflag)
4th May 2018, 1:23
So when Danny does the same thing to Max one day, and they crash, no one will complain, right?
krxx
4th May 2018, 13:49
@greenflag
Hahaha, only the dutchies are telling us to “get over it and move on” and in the meanwhile come up with all sorts of crazy excuses for the regulations’ breach of their idol, time and again. Let’s wait and see indeed, for the day the tables turn.
David Not Coulthard (@davidnotcoulthard)
3rd May 2018, 10:09
Waiting for a BT64(B?) with downforce-generating blowers
N
3rd May 2018, 10:22
Why do people seem to forget Perez was in McLaren? Are they not a ‘top team’?
erikje
3rd May 2018, 10:28
They were… long time ago.
N
3rd May 2018, 10:51
He was in Hamiltons seat the year after Hamilton could have taken the championship with them.
Sensord4notbeingafanboi (@peartree)
4th May 2018, 0:58
No they dont forget, mclaren chose wrongly.
ajpennypacker (@ajpennypacker)
3rd May 2018, 18:42
What is Sirotkin talking about? It’s clear that Max moved underbreaking. Also he’s wrong stating that it’s against the rules. That was cleared last year I think. It’s against good judgement but it’s not illegal. I don’t understand why Sirotkin would come out saying all of these.
Patrickl (@patrickl)
3rd May 2018, 19:38
That’s exactly why weaving is not allowed!
It’s not how much Verstappen moved, it’s the fact THAT he clearly moved right and after that he’s not allowed to switch directions yet again.
There was no possible result other than a crash when he did that anyway.
Matn
3rd May 2018, 21:55
Could you please copy/paste that rule about weaving here…?
Right…there’s no such rule.
Even the ‘one defensive move’ speaks about a defensive move and a a move back towards the racing line (two moves)
Sonsofbeaches
4th May 2018, 5:09
“Overtaking, according to the circumstances, may be carried out on either the right or the left.
A driver may not deliberately leave the track without justifiable reason.
More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted.
Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier
defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car
width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.
However, manoeuvres liable to hinder other drivers, such as deliberate crowding of a car beyond the edge of the track or any other abnormal change of direction, are strictly prohibited. Any driver who appears guilty of any of the above offences will be reported to the Stewards.”
&/or
“Causing a collision, repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car (such as leaving the track) will be reported to the Stewards and may entail the imposition of penalties up to and including the exclusion of any driver concerned.”
Matn
4th May 2018, 9:09
“More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted.
Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier
defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car
width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner.”
Right… there’s no ‘weaving’ in here, plus, what is the definition of ‘More than one change of direction’ when ‘moving back towards the racing line’ is included in this rule.
I think that’s the whole discussion, is one defensive move a move to one direction or a move to one direction and back to the racingline, on top, the racingline is not defined. The FIA removed this line from their site (hours after the incident) and is only found in the Apendixx… if you care to invest some time.
Point is the way Verstappen defended is up for debate, but while we discuss this, some like to forget there was a second driver in the mix… “Causing a collision, repetition of serious mistakes or the appearance of a lack of control over the car” applies on Ricciardo. Being close behind Verstappen, Ricciardo lost all controle in a way which was unacceptable for the stewards as well.
Sonsofbeaches
4th May 2018, 10:45
Ric certainly threw a dummy (as he was entitled to) that Ver went to cover off before making his second move back to the inside – the weave. The stewards generally like to avoid intra team problems and Redbull quickly pre-empted their decision. I’d say they hid behind the “wholly at fault” clause in the regs rather than go down the same rabbit hole discovered at Spa.
Minardi (@gitanes)
4th May 2018, 5:24
Re: the Red Bull incident, besides the double change of direction, why in the heck was Verstappen fighting tooth and nail for 4th place against his teammate? Isn’t that really the question?
Re: COTD. The unsophisticated Indiana crowd packed the place for F1 seven years in a row – even after the 2005 debacle. The fact that it was a crappy track wasn’t the fans fault.
Martijn (@)
4th May 2018, 12:35
I love the Max bashing. Just confirms he’s on the right path..
People have very short lived memories..
Niki Lauda
“What Hamilton did there goes beyond all boundaries”. “He is completely mad. If the FIA does not punish him, I do not understand the world anymore. At some point, there has to be an end to all the jokes. You cannot drive like this – as it will result in someone getting killed.”
Jackie Stewart
“Lewis is having too many collisions with too many drivers, and he can’t blame the stewards, because there is a different set at every race.
“I’m a great supporter of Lewis, but I think he’s hiding under blinkers at the moment. You can’t keep going for gaps that don’t exist, and if he’s blaming the car and the team, that’s just unprofessional. No driver had the perfect car.”
Stirling Moss
“Lewis is going a bit too far in some cases, his handling of himself is not that good. His father is no longer his manager, which is a problem. If they could get together, it would be a good thing.”
Mark Webber
“clumsy, I think he thought the chequered flag was in Turn Three”
Dave
22nd November 2020, 15:49
Racing incident, Sergey? Nuh-uh.
This collision was like losing 4-0 to Sauber leading to the Red Bull manager getting sacked.