How Red Bull could go aggressive in pursuit of Canada win

23 comments on “How Red Bull could go aggressive in pursuit of Canada win”

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   Robbie (@robbie)
   10th June 2018, 13:34

   I consider RBR the third place team in the WCC, likely for the season overall, so I think they have been and will continue to have to take a few more risks and try a few different things to make up particularly for their relative lack of hp and straight line speed. And that really spices things up. Gonna be fascinating to see what happens.
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   Vettel fan 17 (@)
   10th June 2018, 13:54

   If Verstappen gets into first then I think they should go for a two stop. Verstappen is a good overtaker so that wont be an issue. The thing is tyres: They’ll have to use the ultras and supers. Speaking of which, Ferrari and Mercedes are forced into a one stop really. No hypers, and US/US/SS or in whatever combination is too risky. Strategies are going to be really interesting
   1. 

      F1 in Figures (@f1infigures)
      10th June 2018, 14:32

      @vettelfan17 Like Vettel did two years ago? I don’t think that was a very good strategy. You don’t want to make more stops if you have track position. The only driver who might make 2 stops in the top 6 will be Ricciardo if he’s still in 6th place after the first round of stops.
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      Thomson (@fish123)
      10th June 2018, 16:49

      If verstappen is leading after turn 1; red bull will prob 1 stop HS/SS cuz track position is vital… & maybe theyll go aggresive with daniel HS/HS/US to attack & we all know that Ricciardo is the best of tbe best in terms of overtaking @vettelfan17 @f1infiguress
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      Makana (@makana)
      10th June 2018, 17:01

      Agreed @vettelfan17 except for verstappen is a good overtaker 🤣
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   Pratyush P (@pratyushp276)
   10th June 2018, 14:12

   “But I’m sure he’ll give it everything, as we know he always does. I hope he gives it everything. And I hope that me and Valtteri will be there to maximise the points.”

   Shots have been fired.
   1. 

      Jeanrien (@jeanrien)
      10th June 2018, 14:24

      I also read that as Hamilton hoping Verstappen will take out Vettel…
      Mind games probably but still, it might also push Vettel to not fight Verstappen too much.
      1. 

         Robbie (@robbie)
         10th June 2018, 14:32

         Lol it does sound like he’s hoping Max gives it beyond his all, and rather gives too much, but then one could also interpret his wording as literally that he hopes to maximize his own points knowing SV is starting where he is.

         I think the biggest storyline for the WDC though will be that SV must take away more points than LH does when all is said and done come the checkered flag.
         1. 

            David (@davidjwest)
            10th June 2018, 14:49

            I suspect if Max sails one up the inside of Vettel, he isn’t going to defend too hard. Vettel needs to think of the long game but Max doesn’t have to and he probably knows that.
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               GtisBetter (@)
               10th June 2018, 17:01

               I disagree. Max also has a lot to lose. He has been openly ctritized by his boss that he doesn’t get enough points. He can’t afford a lap 1 DNF mistake. In spite of his attitude I suspect he will play it safe. A podium is good enough.
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   F1 in Figures (@f1infigures)
   10th June 2018, 14:36

   However while Montreal’s long straights give the impression of a circuit where overtaking is easy, that wasn’t really the case last year with the high-downforce cars. Data from Mercedes indicates there was as many passes in this race last year as there was at the Circuit de Catalunya, a track which is notorious for being difficult to pass on.

   Incorrect. There was much more passing last year in Canada (remember Vettel’s run from last to fourth place). Overtaking will be reasonably easy.
   1. 

      Jere (@jerejj)
      10th June 2018, 15:40

      @f1infigures ”Overtaking will be reasonably easy.”
      – I doubt it. The Perez-Ocon-(Ricciardo) fight from last season’s race is an example of it not being that easy after all even though this circuit is significantly more overtaking-friendly on paper than the likes of Monaco and Circuit de Catalunya, for example.
      1. 

         F1 in Figures (@f1infigures)
         10th June 2018, 15:56

         @jerejj You still need a large enough speed advantage to overtake, and Montréal is no exception. Tyre degradation is usually low and last year there were not too many interesting battles between similarly-paced cars. The 2014 and 2016 events were more interesting, as some drivers were better at making their tyres last than others.
         1. 

            Jere (@jerejj)
            10th June 2018, 16:03

            @f1infigures I found the 2016 edition less exciting quality of racing-wise than last season’s.
            1. 

               F1 in Figures (@f1infigures)
               10th June 2018, 16:14

               @jerejj It’s absolutely possible to disagree with me. Last year there wasn’t much of a battle for the lead and everyone was basically on the same strategy, whereas in 2016 tyre strategies did make a difference (Ferrari made a dubious pit call with both drivers; Bottas finishing in 3rd after a strong race). Last year we had the frantic Force India battle, though.
         2. 

            Jere (@jerejj)
            10th June 2018, 17:08

            @f1infigures There wasn’t much of a battle for the lead in 2016 either, but the 2017 race featured more battles for a position a little further back in the field than the 2016 one.
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      nase
      10th June 2018, 16:26

      @f1infigures

      Incorrect. There was much more passing last year in Canada (remember Vettel’s run from last to fourth place).

      You can say “incorrect” as much as you like, but do you have any data to back that claim up? As far as I can see, Vettel overtook no more than 6 cars on the track on his way from 18th to 4th, the rest being due to pit stops. And he’s the most extreme example for the whole race by a huge margin.
      I mean, why would Mercedes gather nonsensical data? If they say there were fewer overtakes in Montreal than there were in Barcelona in 2017, and you say that’s incorrect because Vettel came back from the back of the grid, that’s like saying there is no climate change because it rained last Sunday.
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   David (@davidjwest)
   10th June 2018, 14:44

   This race is really intriguing for a number of reasons.

   On the face of it, Red Bull have the pace to at least challenge for the win, I expect Max to make up at least one place off the line, as he did last year, but he may even be able to lead coming out of T2.

   The softer tyre will mean he has a good run out of the hairpin so it’s really a question of how much DRS can overcome the Ferrari’s higher top speed, but looking at the speed trap data that should be quite possible, the deficit is really quite small.

   But how long will those Hypers last? Long enough for a 1 stopper? I think they’ll be OK as the Supers can probably go a long way.

   If Max does launch one down the inside of Vettel into the chicane (or pretty much anywhere) I can see Vettel not fighting it too hard.

   Also, does Hamilton have more downforce than Bottas? Speed trap data seems to indicate that, but did they have slipstreams etc?

   Mercedes will be quicker in the second half of the race with better long stint times on the harder tyres I reckon, so as I say, intriguing.
   1. 

      SteveR
      10th June 2018, 15:35

      This looks like it might be a good race. I must applaud the TV coverage; the camera placement is excellent, especially at the ‘Wall of Champions’. I also really like how some cameras don’t zoom in on the cars as the pass, but let the speed be shown as they, extremely rapidly, vanish in the distance. The true speed of these machines is being shown here to best advantage and I hope lessons are learned about coverage. Television never conveys the true speed of F1; you actually have to go to a race to be amazed and stunned by the cornering speed of these machines. Thanks TV directors!!! FIA, please require the teams to put the driver’s initials on the halo.
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   Jere (@jerejj)
   10th June 2018, 15:42

   ”The third DRS zone added to the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve this weekend may help matters.”
   – Yes, it could, but I highly doubt it. I doubt the addition of a 3rd activation zone is going to make any difference in aiding overtaking into turn eight due to both how short that straight is and the type of corner that leads onto it.
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      nase
      10th June 2018, 16:32

      @jerejj

      I doubt the addition of a 3rd activation zone is going to make any difference in aiding overtaking into turn eight due to both how short that straight is and the type of corner that leads onto it

      You’re right, but that’s not really its purpose. Instead, this additional DRS zone is meant to reduce the gap between cars, or at least prevent the gap from growing too much in a section of the track that is characterised by corners that tend to make following another car too closely rather difficult.
      The aim is to shave a couple of tenths off the gap that is normally created by dirty air, allowing for a closer gap before the hairpin and consequently before the DRS activation point on the long straight.
7. 

   Patrick (@anunaki)
   10th June 2018, 17:57

   Max will race to win as always.
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   Ed
   10th June 2018, 18:18

   Coming from the nbc coverage in the us last year, I thought I was going to hate the sky coverage. Boy was I ever proven wrong! The coverage and people are awesome. Thanks Sky and ESPN for no commercials!! It’s just great!!

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