Fernando Alonso/Sebastien Buemi/Kazuki Nakajima Toyota TS050, Silverstone, 2018

Alonso, Buemi and Nakajima stripped of Silverstone WEC win

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In the round-up: Both Toyotas were disqualified following their one-two finish in yesterday’s World Endurance Championship Six Hours of Silverstone. That promoted the Rebellion pair to a one-two, led by the Gustavo Menezes/Mathias Beche/Thomas Laurent car.

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  • 23 comments on “Alonso, Buemi and Nakajima stripped of Silverstone WEC win”

    1. Looks like Alonso has bit more work to do in retirement….

    2. Was Briatore at Silverstone?

    3. It’s a shame that LMP1 is dominated by Toyota. The excitement as in LMP2, GT Pro and GT Am is not found in LMP1. I didn’t care that the 8 passed the 7. WEC should do something about that cause as viewer the LMP1 can be skipped for now.

    4. I’m just wondering, which other drivers in history have won a F1 and WEC title? I would think that it’s been at least 25 years since it happened, if it did indeed ever happen. Moreover, has anyone ever done the ultimate triple crown: F1, WEC and Indy title?

      1. FlyingLobster27
        20th August 2018, 7:56

        No-one has @mashiat, but the World Sportscar Championship didn’t have a Drivers’ title before 1982 (it was a World Championship for Makes back then), and didn’t exist at all between 1994 and 2011, so the F1+WEC challenge hasn’t been around for very long.

        I think that Toyota will end the whatever little in-fighting they had. They’ve thrown away a significant championship lead when they should have been looking at an easy ride to both titles. It’s time to win as slowly as possible, and order the 8 ahead so that both titles can be sealed before Le Mans (despite their display this year, they will not want to go into Le Mans with a chance of losing the title). Don’t believe me? It’s engrained in WEC mentality, just re-watch the back end of 2015 or 2017. That’s a pity of course, because it distracts from the real, actual close racing happening in other classes, as @ruben said. In my case, it’s distracting to the point I can’t watch WEC at all, waiting for a team order irks me too much, and Toyota dropped that bomb as early as race 1 so… how about no.

        And here’s hoping Robert Wickens will recover.

      2. This discussion has been done to death in this website and many many others, you can look it up in the archives.
        But summa summarum, WEC not a historically established championship and in it’s current format is a dead man walking, Indycar drivers are rarely / never given the opportunity to go for the F1 -title so that’s to be taken into consideration when establishing the “triple”

        The “Triple crown” should be the arbitrary designation of three historical races that have lasted thru many generations of drivers and especially series: LeMans, Indy and Monaco

        I’m sure someone will disagree

        1. *really need the edit button, guys*

          Indycar drivers also don’t get to go for the Monaco GP

        2. @uneedafinn2win, well, for a start there is a debate over whether the “Triple Crown” really is Le Mans, Indianapolis and Monaco, since that is not how the “Triple Crown” was first defined.

          Graham Hill, the man who first was given that accolade, always defined the F1 component of the “Triple Crown” as winning the World Drivers Championship, and didn’t really hold the Monaco GP that much higher than any other F1 race.

          Furthermore, one of the first journalists to ever use the term has also said that he never intended for it to refer to just the Monaco GP – in terms of public perception, the Monaco GP barely registered and wasn’t considered any more important than any other race on the calendar, and it was only the overall title which registered as being comparable in recognition to Le Mans.

          If you were to argue that it should be the Grand Prix that has lasted through the most generations of drivers, there is a stronger argument for the Italian and British Grand Prix to be ranked ahead of the Monaco Grand Prix – both of those races are older events, with the Italian Grand Prix first held in 1921 and the first British Grand Prix in 1926 (Monaco’s first race being in 1929), and those two races are the only ones which have been permanent fixtures on the F1 calendar since the inception of the series in 1950 (Monaco didn’t hold a Grand Prix between 1951 and 1954 inclusive).

          Alternatively, if you want to say that accolade should go to the most historic race, then the French Grand Prix – which, dating back to 1906, is by far the oldest event (and, perhaps appropriately, did take place at Le Mans), and in the past traditionally used to offer the greatest prizes for participants as well.

          1. Given the two other non-F1 events are races, it makes more sense to me that Monaco should be the ‘real’ Triple Crown and not the F1 title.

            I think the current interpretation of ‘F1-champ, Indy and Le Mans’ comes from Alonso claiming to go for the Triple Crown while never having won Monaco.

    5. Did not Alonso moaned about no excitement in F1 because only two teams are racing for victories yet he has no problem winning with Toyota while all other don’t stand a chance.

      1. winning

        That’s the keyword. Every driver moans when they can’t win, and enjoy the status quo when they can.

        1. He can’t just make opponents appear out of nowhere though, it could be years until the replacement class for lmp1 is launched.

          1. @emu55

            And F1 can’t just materialise a competitive grid out of nowhere either.

            We’ve 6 drivers capable of winning on any given Grand Prix weekend, better than it’s been for years. Alonso’s complaints about F1 are perfectly valid, but there’s a degree of irony that he’s kept schtum about an even less competitive series he just happens to be winning in.

      2. @noname But it’s not just about winning though. If it was he would have left F1 sooner. It is about hope. It is about enjoyment. It is about spending one’s days enthusiastic about what one is doing in life. We all know the issues F1 has, particularly for the drivers those being bad tires on cars that are too negatively affected in dirty air such that they need the gadget of drs to fake passes. He has certainly experienced being in F1 while someone else dominates, but at least he felt like he could still have a great time racing. That is gone for him. I’m sure he would acknowledge WEC and Indycar are not perfect either, with their pluses and minuses, but he didn’t create their issues. He just needs to do something more and something different from F1 while he is still young enough to do well elsewhere. Maybe he’ll even be back in F1.

    6. Given Toyota are only competing against themselves it’s possibly one of the dumbest own goals in motorsport to not build a car robust enough to withstand the demands of a 6 hour race.

      1. The pinnacle™ of endurance meets the pinnacle of a kerb, @philipgb

    7. Although I’ve already replied to the COTD in the previous round-up (from which it originally comes from), I’ll still do it again here:
      Verstappen wasn’t any more experienced at the time of his RB-promotion than Gasly is going be at the beginning of next season, so not really a valid argument there. Just because Kvyat failed after having received a top drive after only one full season in F1 doesn’t mean others would automatically suffer a similar fate to him (Verstappen is the prime example of the opposite).

      1. @jerejj – fully agree Max made it work where Daniil didn’t , its a shame but that’s F1.

    8. Whilst I respect Hulkenberg and think he is genuinely a good driver deserving of a seat, saying he does not bring funding to the sport is a a bit of a lie surely. Did he forget about Dekra?

      1. I think that was the “cherry on top” Nico alluded to.

    9. JEV is absolutely deserving of a seat in F1 – he was every bit a tough team mate to Ricciardo at STR as Verstappen has been at RBR, albeit in lower-profile machinery. However, I don’t think JEV would want to come back – it would be a backwards career move, especially with the success he’s enjoying in Formula E.

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