Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari, Monza, 2018

Vettel says aggressive tyre choice compromised his strategy

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In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel says his selection of tyres for the Italian Grand Prix gave him limited opportunity to test the harder compounds in practice.

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Vettel, who picked nine sets of super-softs, one soft and two medium for Monza, explained why he chose the soft tyre when he was forced to pit on lap one, rather than attempting to run to the end of a set of mediums:

Obviously practice was a bit compromised so we didn’t get a lot of running. I had one set of each [for the race], no chance to try a set of soft or the medium, so we didn’t really know the tyre.

I think last week was pretty straightforward in terms of tyre. Obviously today fighting through the field is never going to treat tyres nicely. I said we need another stop, if the tyres had been absolutely fine we would have tried to stay out but there was no chance. We did what we could. I think the pace was good given that the car was actually very damaged.

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  • 69 comments on “Vettel says aggressive tyre choice compromised his strategy”

    1. For me as a long time scuderia fan, this race was a disaster from so many angles. To the point that I turned it off 8 laps to the end, which has not happened in years. Was too painful. It all started on Saturday with Kimi on pole. it left Seb exposed to Ham, and them led to Vettel losing it again in the most crucial moment. Why not just wait for next straight? Also, I think it was obvious that putting Softs on lap 1 will not get you to the end. Then they pitted Kimi way too early which allowed Bottas to box him in. And then Kimi being way too much of a gentleman to Lewis. I didn’t notice Hamilton being this nice to Vettel this very race, quite the opposite. Really, way too many blunders and now I really get depressed about our wdc chances. Hamilton is really doing a good job. There is so much pressure on Ferrari now, with this car, and when they crack like this, he’s there to take advantage.

      1. I don’t think Kimi on pole was a problem.
        And assuming Kimi was ahead of Vettel during qualifying, Kimi would have got Hamilton’s tow and perhaps that too would have given him pole, lets not forget, Kimi had really been fast this Monza weekend.
        The race was long and and didn’t need to be won at the first corner. But Vettel wasn’t thinking long term.
        Hamilton only wanted to split the Ferraris and did so when the opportunity availed itself.
        Vettel is just prone to panicking and that has cost him dearly several race starts.

        1. Everybody on the globe is simply calculating number of mistakes done by Seb during last and this season.
          Why do not you think of Maurizio Arrivabene?
          What is his key performance index?
          He is failing.
          When Sebastian came to Ferrari, he was with Christuan Horner. Yes, gentleman.
          He looks and is ver professiinal. In Red Bull there was not so much confusion.
          He was solving and explaining everything clearly snd Sebastian thought that similar man could find in Ferrari.
          Obviously that it was a mistake that on Saturday, Seb was not on pole.
          This is Ferrari mistake. I agree eith Ivan. .
          Confusion by Ferrari has been done.
          Irreversible process and winner will be Mercedes.
          But I want to remind you that Vettel and “mistakes” done by him are few.
          Ferrari is doing bad on the team level.
          That is why they lose. They have never accepted the fact that if they want ti win, they have to do everything to facilitate Seb to win.
          Kimi’s appetite and”popularity” killed Ferrari .

          1. vettel’s mistakes are very visible. but we can only compare him to his closest rivals – in this case hamilton and raikkonen. he has raikkonen beaten for speed pretty much everywhere, and especially in the race (canada was stark). but compared to hamilton he is not maximising his chances – he was unlucky with safety cars earlier in the year but still did not take full available points (cf. Baku). austria was a messy weekend that does not befit a champion. hockenheim was just a monumental blunder – even finishing 2nd to hamilton would have been so much better (he’d only be 12 points behind now).

            vettel is prone to these kinds of errors (his red bull title seasons were not all perfect – several errors in 2010 and 2012, but he was so dominant in the back end of the year that it carried him home). hamilton used to be similar but in recent seasons he has been pretty flawless and for all his ‘i fight to win’ rhetoric, he is highly accomplished at settling for 2nd and making the most of his chances.

            ferrari’s strategy has been wanting somewhat, but not too bad, and compared to merc it is on par. there’s some way to go but it does feel like vettel might be throwing this title away. i disagree that he did the same last year – sure, he made errors but it was unreliability that ended his hopes.

            1. Hamilton hit Vettel at turn one at Monza. He was very lucky not to have caused him to spin right there. In fact one can see from replay that the hit caused Vettel to have a bad exit from turn two which then allowed Hamilton to have his tow. If Vettel had spun right there, it would have been entirely Hamilton’s fault for being overly agressive, but it wasn’t. This is not to diminish Hamilton’s victory (made possible by Valteri Tappos), but to say that Hamilton was very lucky on that occasion, luck which Vettel didn’t have to turns later. So … let’s blame Vettel to no end.

            2. ” i disagree that he did the same last year – sure, he made errors but it was unreliability that ended his hopes.”

              Vettel cause his own reliability issues in 2017 by constantly smashing, crashing & recking his car. And besides, Hamilton equally had 3 races detrimentally affected by reliability issues too. So reliability wasn’t the deciding factor in 2017

            3. you may have a point that hamilton also had reliability problems, but they weren’t as catastrophic as malaysia and japan. those 2 races totally took the wind out of vettel/ferrari and the title was kind of lost there. it’s churlish to say vettel was constantly wrecking his car. are you 11 years old?

      2. @njoydesign – I’m sorry, I have to disagree with a lot of what you’ve said, and I say this with Vettel and Kimi being two of my favourite drivers. And yes, watching the race was painful – seeing Vettel drop down hurt (a bit, but he earned it), seeing Kimi lose the race lead hurt (a lot). I didn’t think such an exciting race could be this painful to watch as well. :-)

        It all started on Saturday with Kimi on pole. it left Seb exposed to Ham, and them led to Vettel losing it again in the most crucial moment.

        Vettel himself admitted his final run in Q3 was poor, so he threw away a chance to be on pole, the tow for Kimi notwithstanding. In the race, if Seb had cleanly let Hamilton through, he’d have lived to fight another day, and at the very least finished third.

        And then Kimi being way too much of a gentleman to Lewis. I didn’t notice Hamilton being this nice to Vettel this very race, quite the opposite.

        The outcome of Kimi being a gentleman is that he still ended up second, instead of further down/DNF. And I saw the replays of Hamilton overtaking Vettel hoping to see an angle where Hamilton squeezed him, but it wasn’t there – Vettel ran wider than the comfortable room that Hamilton left him. The stewards were right to call it a racing incident.

        Hamilton is really doing a good job. There is so much pressure on Ferrari now, with this car, and when they crack like this, he’s there to take advantage.

        Agreed – Hamilton has put his Austria/Britain blues behind him to reverse the points advantage in his favour. Most races that Hamilton has won also featured a Vettel bungle (Baku, France, Germany, Italy). I can give Vettel a pass for 2017, when it looked like Mercedes had a better car, so he needed to throw in a lot more effort/risk to be a challenger. However, with this year’s improved Ferrari, the team have given him the equipment to win.

        1. @phylyp

          Agreed – Hamilton has put his Austria/Britain blues behind him to reverse the points advantage in his favour

          What “blues” at Austria or Silverstone? In Austria, he started second and retired with an engine failure. At Silverstone, he started second, was hit by Kimi and fought back from the back of the grid to second place – passing his teammate and a Ferrari driver in the process.

          If anything, Silverstone was one of his highlight drives of the season.

          The only low point of Hamilton’s season so far has been Canada, where qualified 4th, struggled with engine temperatures in the first part of the race, which forced Mercedes to pit him earlier so they could add more cooling to the car, and still ended up 4th behind the 3 fastest drivers who qualified in front of him.

          It is a testament to his driving this season that we are even mentioning Canada as an example of a “low point”.

          1. What “blues” at Austria or Silverstone?

            @kbdavies – I meant his moaning over the radio, both in Austria after the incorrectly timed pit stop, and in Silverstone with him saying his car was broken, half the floor is gone, etc. He’s put that mindset aside, and in his current state, he’s probably the best bet for the WDC.

      3. I know I’m going to get a lot of stick for this (especially from the Seb/Ham haters) but I am very disappointed in Seb. His performance recently has been ridiculous. Having said that, I do think he’s under more pressure than any other driver (especially last year) to deliver. I think he knows the whole world is counting on him to deliver and that can put a lot of strain on you psychologically. It still DOES NOT justify the mistakes he’s been making because I’m also starting to lose hope in him now. Let’s not forget though, that it is not easy to end another team’s domination. Yes his car is faster, but the gap to Mercedes is not as big as many think (compared to Merc and RBR in ’14 to 16′ and ’10 to ’13 respectively).

        It is becoming increasingly more likely that Hamilton will be the first to get the 5th WDC, which he’ll have fully deserved.

        I’m also a fan of Hamilton as much as I am of Vettel, the only thing that puts me off Hamilton is that I’m not a Mercedes fan.

        1. @lebz nice, hard to argue with that, i think it’s a good assessment. this year feels like a proper championship dogfight, of the kind that’s won and lost in the mind as much as it is on the track. i think many fans are readjusting to the idea that hamilton is now hugely battled hardened and mentally strong, whereas vettel is showing cracks.

      4. Right there with you brother.

    2. @njoydesign

      ‘I didn’t notice Hamilton being this nice to Vettel this very race, quite the opposite.’


      Lewis’s move on Vettel was perfectly fair racing. Kimi and Lewis showed how it can be done, passing and re-passing each other more than once with no issues.

      It seems the issue is Seb.

      1. It is always issue with that petulant child.

      2. Yes, Lewis’ move on Vettel was perfectly fair racing, he tightened his entrance and forced Vettel hit the brakes and slide into him. Hamilton also misjudged braking into the first corner and hit Vettel from behind almost causing him to spin right there. The hit caused Vettel to have a bad exit which allowed Hamilton to get a better tow. When Vettel is agressive, like Singapore last year, it’s all his fault again. So, the rule seems to be that if you’re agressive and you’re Hamilton it’s fine. If you’re Vettel and you’re agressive it’s wrong. I love Vettel for always being agressive, just like I love Max and Hamilton for it as well as Alonso. But when it comes to Vettel, since his days at Red Bull, he is always blamed for something: either wins only in the best car, cannot overtake, is overly agressive and on and on. Back in 2011, Hamilton had a bunch of accidents, went to the stewards 5 times in the first 6 races, was penalized many times for doing illegal manouvers. Somehow, he was never judged as harshly as Seb is. Neither was he judged as a loser for having lost to Rosberg while in the best car (something which Seb at least did not allow to happen at Red Bull). This is a great championship we’re witnessing after four years of a Mercedes snoozefest. Apparently football fanatics have invaded F1 as well. It’s a shame.

        1. “is is a great championship we’re witnessing after four years of a Mercedes snoozefest.”

          2017 wasn’t a Merc snoozefest. Vettel had a terrific car capable of winning the WDC but he imploded in the latter half of the season.

    3. Both of them, Kimi and LH showed teeth to Sebastian. He is very lonely in this jungle.
      Yes, Kimi was a gentleman to LH and Brit with idiotic move won. Now praise his idiotic behviour.

      1. Dude are you somehow trying to suggest that Kimi should have deliberately made contact with Lewis when he was passing him? And you are a F1 fan?

        1. No, he is suggesting that unlike Lewis who has a wingman, Vettel doesn’t have one. So, he is now in the tough position of having to fight both his teammate and Lewis. That’s what he is saying.

          1. Kimi played the perfect wingman in China & Germany

          2. Thank you Ben.
            My first language is not english and i make many mistakes while writing as well.
            But definitely, Vettel has to fight Lewis, Kimi and Arrivabene.

          3. Seb doesn’t have a wingman…….

            Now that’s laughable. the same tactic that Mercedes and Lewis are being criticised for, was used by Ferrari in China, the only difference is, it failed because Bottas was able to overtake Kimi going into T1.

            Ben you just dislike Hamilton and will find anything no matter how ridiculous it is, to somehow validate your argument

            1. There are no more Ferrari races in china, france, italy and mistakes and gorgeous driving by somebody.
              Now, there is Seb Vettel Ferrari5
              Kimi Raikonnen Ferrari7
              Red Bull
              McLaren m
              Force India etc
              We can include Mintu Raikonnen ferrari as wingwoman to Kimi together with Maurizio Arrivabene.

              This was Monza story and those stupid management ferrari team is guilty for their own CRASH.
              I think that I am wasting my precious time on f1.
              I hate all of you who contributed killing this sport.

    4. If Leclerc moves to Ferrari will that give Ocon a spot at Sauber? Come to think of it, even though he’s from outside the fold, he would have to be a better bet for Torro Rosso than bringing back Kvyat surely…

      1. @skipgamer, the suspicion is that Leclerc would be replaced by Giovinazzi instead, so Ocon is probably unlikely to get a seat at Sauber.

    5. Wonder if ferrari are having doubts about Seb, he could throw away this title and an opportunity may not present itself so easily again anytime soon.

      As pained it may be they should be knocking on the door of Alonso, they let Daniel go they can’t afford to let another world class driver go. Because right now they don’t have one that get fight for a title without making some really bad decisions under pressure.

      1. I’m wondering if this is why they fancy Leclerc as a promising new talent to replace Seb as No1 in a couple of seasons?
        Seb can (and will) still fight for the title harder than most but it strikes me that his careerer is at/past it’s peak both in mentality and ability.
        Time to find a bold young pup to replace the ageing hound?

        and before people start jumping on me I place Seb right up there where he belongs but no one lasts forever. You do not wait until your favourite shoes are totally worn out before considering a replacement do you?

      2. Let me reassure you that Ferrari have absolutely no doubts on Vettel. The new Ferrari boss called Vettel the CR7 of F1. So, no doubts mate. It’s only you who has doubts.

        1. But aren’t these doubts justified? He makes mistakes that are crucial and have far-reaching consequences for Ferrari’s title aspirations. The title is on the line, and it seems that you can’t rely on him in the most important moments. Sometimes he looks like a Red Bull rookie – undoubtedly fast and talented, but hotheaded and careless. Is that what you want in a Ferrari Number One, especially when the contest is so close at the top. I mean, take Kimi at the last race – as painful as it was, I think everyone was kinda expected him to be passed for the lead at some point (either by Lewis or Seb). In the same way you kinda start expecting race-ruining mistakes from Seb.

          1. Sebastian was naive to trust Kimi and all others arround him. He feels cheated. All of them envied him for 4 world championship titles but only NOW he discovered nasty people in Ferrari.
            He is offended now.
            He is lonely. Where is team? Ferrari is dead. Kimi became first driver.
            Only after Marchionne’s death.
            Seb has only friend in Horner.
            If Leclerc does not come 2019, 2020 ans tactic does not change, Ferrari lost fan….
            At the end, nobody will support them!!!
            This is mind game.

    6. I don’t think McLaren take risks with drivers, I think drivers take risks with McLaren.

      1. O McLaren, how you’ve fallen, you’re now the stars of zingers and one-liners!

    7. Sounds they want to diss Kimi for what happened on Monza. Kimi took pole, then he gets passed by Lewis. I think the preteamtalks was something else planned.

      1. I now expect Hamilton to win the WDC. This will be his best title by far as this is the first time he is not in the dominant car.
        Ferrari and their drivers have only to blame themselves for losing the title(s).

        1. I wouldn’t say the McLaren was dominant in 2008. I’d agree tho, if Hamilton somehow pulls off the Championship this year it will be very impressive.

        2. Yeah, I’d also say the 2008 McLaren wasn’t the dominant car. Hamilton was the last driver to win the WDC in a car that didn’t win the WCC.

          1. That has more to do with how incompetent Kovalainen was, then with the ability of the car. He was outscored by Alonso who was driving a less-then-stellar Renault!
            And not by a point, or two, but now looking at the stats, it was 8 points, which was a substantial difference back in a day. It would be something like 20+ points in today’s points.

            1. @Biggsy
              Whichever way you try to spin it, the 2008 McLaren wasn’t a dominant car.

        3. 2017 Merc wasn’t a dominant car. Arguably the Ferrari was the better car in 2017

        4. Lewis is driving impeccably this year, @coldfly. He cannot be faulted. Let’s assume he will win the title.

          I think I will be looking back at this season with the sentiment that Sebastian threw it away rather than Lewis won it. Of course, it’s six of one and half a dozen of the other. Lewis is driving incredibly well – at his peak. But the Ferrari is the better car this year. And Sebastian is not a lesser driver than Lewis – at least not by much, if we take a long-term view. Sebastian would be leading the 2018 championship at this point if it were not for his mistakes.

    8. Watching the race I got the feeling that what ruined Seb’s strategy was spinning in the first lap. But that is just an idea of mine

      1. I mean you could definitely make an argument for it compromising his win

      2. He was warming up his tyres at that chicane, @johnmilk :-)
        It just goes to show he was compromised by his tyres right from the outset :-)

        /s (for others who might think I’m being serious)

        1. Warming or cooking @phylyp?

          1. Hey, don’t judge him just because he likes them well done. @johnmilk

            1. fair enough, I’m a medium rare kind of guy, but it does depend on the produce. A overcooked pirreli was bound to be a shoe sole

    9. I really can’t understand the complete bagging of Vettel. What should he have done differently?

      Kim I locked (ever so slightly) into turn 1 so he really had to try to make a pass stick.
      From that point on he was pretty much jammed – he couldn’t get behind Kimi, because that’s where Hamilton was. “getting out of it” also wasn’t realistically an option as you’re fairly likely to get clobbered by a following car (or by Hamilton’s)
      Then Hamilton get a run on him and he’s stuck with nowhere to go and a front end that’s clearly understeered (read he didn’t have full control of it).“Getting out of it” at that stage wasn’t going to save the contact

      Yes he had contact, and lost out. It could have actually been the other way round just as easily. Both drivers went at it fairly hard (it was lap 1), neither of them were innocent, neither of them guilty – that’s why it was deemed a racing incident.

      If Vettel’s driving was as bad as all the commenters keep saying, he’s have gotten at least a slap on the wrist from the stewards for “causing a collision” he didn’t.

      1. What should he have done differently?

        Not crash and spin? Just a thought.

        From that point on he was…

        You see this is the problem I see with the majority of people’s defence of Vettel, they pick a point where it’s too late for Vettel to do anything and then claim he couldn’t do anything. But look at Hamilton and Raikkonen a few laps later, both cars positioned much better so neither ended up in that position in the first place. That is where Vettel’s mistake came in. He knew Hamilton was closing and he knew that he himself was compromised going into turn 4, but he didn’t make allowance for that, he didn’t position his car well and his reward was crashing into another car, it’s the same as when he hit Bottas in France.

        1. The problem with that argument was that Hamilton/Raikonnens cars both had tyres up to temp and both where we’ll aware of where they were (especially Hamilton passing Kimi) there was a build up, not 3 Cars trying to occupy the same space.

          1. That’s a flawed argument, you drive with what you’ve got. Vettel made the first corner just fine so you cannot play the tyre card, also the Lewis/Kimi move happened straight after they had spent multiple laps behind the safety car so it’s not exactly like they had been racing on them anyway.

      2. What should he have done differently?

        @dbradock – I’d say Vettel should have picked his battles. Letting Hamilton through would have cost him a place, something that might have been resolved over the remainder of the race, especially with his teammate also in the same battle. Instead, Vettel ended up fighting his own race in isolation, and Kimi was similarly left to fend for himself.

        I am taking a wild guess here, but I think that after missing pole, Vettel was determined to wrest the race lead from Kimi. And either his focus was a little too much on his teammate ahead, or he was again so caught up with planning his overtake that he failed to properly react to himself being overtaken.

        If Vettel’s driving was as bad as all the commenters keep saying, he’s have gotten at least a slap on the wrist from the stewards for “causing a collision” he didn’t.

        I echo what @kbdavies said below – the stewards seem to also factor in the relative impact to the culprit & victim. Think of Silverstone, where Kimi and Hamilton bumped, Kimi was at fault and Hamilton paid the price by spinning out – the stewards were quick to slap Kimi with a timed penalty.

        1. See that’s where we differ,

          I don’t think he “could” have let Hamilton through. By the time he actually saw where he was it was too late.

          If he was at fault for anything it was for not anticipating Hamilton could have been there. The on boards were pretty inconclusive but when they replayed it Sunday, it really seeemed like Hamilton’s car appeared in view fairly late.

          1. I don’t think he “could” have let Hamilton through. By the time he actually saw where he was it was too late.

            I suggest you rewatch an onboard then, Vettel had plenty of time to back out but he chose to fight the corner instead.

      3. You’re also forgetting to add that Hamilton hit Vettel at turn one and almost ended his race right there. Hamilton was very very lucky not to have caused a puncture to Vettel or broken his own wing in that moment. And that’s how luck goes. The hit caused Vettel to have a bad exit from turn two and allowed Hamilton a better tow. Vettel made a mistake not to let Hamilton immediately through, just like Hamilton made a mistake to hit Vettel at turn one. But Vettel was much more unlucky and spun. So, yeah, let’s have now everyone, including Nico Rosberg who was never able to complete a clean pass on Hamilton, dish on him.

        1. Ben, in my country Nico means nobody.
          So Nico Rosberg is for me NOBODY.
          He sold his soul to devil…
          SEBASTIAN was right telling that he was clearly understanding his position where from Monza onwards he must fight against Kimi, Bottas and Lewis.
          I only hope that Leclerc and replacement of Maurizio, could change situation.
          Ferrari is lost this season..

    10. If Vettel’s driving was as bad as all the commenters keep saying, he’s have gotten at least a slap on the wrist from the stewards for “causing a collision” he didn’t.

      If Vettel had spun Lewis around, he would certainly have been given a penalty. As we have seen many times this season, stewards sometime take a different view when contacts results in a detrimental effect to the person who initiated it, as opposed to when it is detrimental to the innocent party.

    11. I have got this niggling feeling that Sebastian fans are still secretly seething at Kimi for grabbing that Italian grand prix pole & shatter speed records in the process. I guess they feel he stole from their golden boy….how dare? Such petulance…the only difference is that they cannot insult and abuse him as their usually do with Lewis…who they abuse with such abandon, its the car, he is arrogant, he is not grateful, he is so lucky etc!

    12. sasha selipanov
      4th September 2018, 10:44

      Quick fix: send Seb into enforced sabbatical, pay him his salary etc… get Alonso on board for a year, I bet he’d drive for free. Instant win for all involved. Seb needs a break, Alonso needs a good car and the world needs a Ferrari WDC.

      1. Mr Alonso with his head the way it is these days – in this Ferrari – that could be one of the most entertaining and terrifying sights of all time :)
        Let’s do it!

      2. And you go to hospital for psychogical treatment during enforced sabbatical.
        You might be seeing broader picture of f1 competition and marchionne’s incomptence and kimi’s climbing….

        1. Maurizio Arrivabene not Marchionne.

    13. That tweet of Norris appeared in the previous round-up already.
      – Concerning the BBC-article: I couldn’t agree more with Montezemolo.
      – The COTD features valid points as well.

      1. ” Concerning the BBC-article: I couldn’t agree more with Montezemolo.”


    14. I have said this before but I suspect there is someone at Ferrari who wishes they had signed Ricciardo when they had the chance. He could have taken on Seb and given them two chances at winning a Championship. I doubt he would make any more mistakes under pressure.

      I appreciate this is not Ferrari’s usual MO.

      They had better hope that Leclerc emerges to be everything they could wish for in a driver. Of course Seb may still pull the rabbit out of the hat this year.

    15. Let’s not forget the flawless surpass vettel did at the start at spa. This time if we had to see it in terms of whose is fault I should say it’s fifty fifty

    16. COTD is excellent today. Respect! :O)

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