In the round-up: Esteban Ocon says it was “painful” to learn his post-race disqualification from the United States Grand Prix was due to a first-lap rule violation.
What they say
Ocon said he didn’t gain an advantage from his car exceeding the maximum fuel flow rate, pointing out that he lost places on the first lap of the race indicating he didn’t gain extra straight-line speed.
It’s a shame obviously to get disqualified especially after a good race like we had. Still good points in the end, it was a solid race.
The thing that bothers me the most is that you push the whole way through, you push hard, you give it everything and actually you could have just pitted lap two, it’s done. That’s probably what is the most painful after the race.
We simply made a mistake on the calibration in the first half of the lap. As soon as you go through the normal running mode that’s gone, basically. And then it was fine, it was not an advantage in performance or anything it was probably slower. The rule is the rule and we made a mistake, we went beyond the rule and that’s it.
Quotes: Dieter Rencken
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Links
More motor racing links of interest:
Vasseur on Leclerc, Raikkonen and the pillars of Sauber’s success (F1)
"The most difficult point is the management of the car, and working with the engineers, and that was perhaps a bit difficult in the first weeks, but then he improved quite fast. Up against Lewis next year, he is under pressure."
Arrivabene: Binotto Ferrari exit talk 'fake news' (Autosport)
"During this season there have been many attempts at destabilisation, sometimes with stories about the drivers, others about the technicians."
'Zeitpunkt war einfach falsch' (Auto Motor und Sport - German)
Porsche has definitively ruled out any prospect of entering F1 in 2021.
35,000 in Belfast for Red Bull F1 showrun (Belfast Telegraph)
"David Coulthard took the 2012 double championship winning Red Bull car on a spin around City Hall in front of an estimated 35,000 strong crowd. That's thought to be more than double those that attended the last time the event came to Belfast in 2010."
Reflections on marvellous Mexico's F1 title decider (Sky)
"Ricciardo didn't arrive until a while after his retirement and was clearly very angry still. I was told to ask only one question because he didn't want to be there and I totally understand it."
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Comment of the day
Has the FIA superlicence system made F2 virtually essential for any young drivers?
Before the new super licensing system came out everyone had a shot by going through any series and be successful. F3, FR3.5, GP3, GP2/F2.
I read an article about Nobuharu Matsushita and Honda wanting one of their drivers in F1. But even if he wins Super Formula, he doesn’t have enough points. The only way to make it is to go win F2 or one of the other series like F3 or GP3 and be successful there too.
In the past, where a team could test anyone, anywhere and anytime, to see if they are good enough to race in F1 or just one race to see.
In the end its always down to luck and timing. And sometimes the misfortune of others.
@Us-brian
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mfreire
5th November 2018, 1:29
Fake news? Wow… that cancerous term really has spread throughout in the NATO countries.
AmericanRacer
5th November 2018, 3:03
TRUMP 2020!!!!
zimkazimka (@zimkazimka)
5th November 2018, 7:05
Trump for Ferrari 2020! Make Scuderia Great Again!
ColdFly (@)
5th November 2018, 8:02
Exactly my thoughts (except for the reference to NATO).
‘Fake News’
How has it become so accepted and so easy to deny facts?
As an eternal optimist (and avid reader) I always thought that the internet would help educate people and limit the power of a few to cloud the judgement of the masses.
But it seems that the internet (and especially self-fulfilling prophecy sites like Facebook) has done exactly the opposite. The masses still seem to enjoy their clouded judgements. They are only more vocal, more convinced that they are right, and vote for the biggest lunatic to lead them.
I’m still hopeful that people wake up after 2 years and vote to correct earlier misjudgements. I’ll know on Wednesday if I’m too optimistic.
Mick
5th November 2018, 11:07
Facebook, twitter, google, 90% of mainstream media is all unashamedly left wing biased. They invent narratives to fit thier audience and agenda, as well as censoring opposing viewpoints. This is plain to see which is part of the reason people are calling bs and voting against them.
Martin
5th November 2018, 13:14
That’s the right wing mate.
Kevin
5th November 2018, 14:08
Nonsense. The reason we are in this current hell (I am American) is because the media has already bent over backwards to accommodate the right, to try to appear ‘balanced.’ But White Supremacy, and not-being-a-white-supremacist, are not equal, opposing views. One is extremism, destructive, and awful. I refuse to find ‘common ground’ with that.
Kevin
5th November 2018, 14:09
Was replying to “Mick”
Aapje (@aapje)
5th November 2018, 21:46
@Kevin
The UCLA did a study a while back and found that most American media were to the left of the average U.S. voter.
In general, those who attracted to the job of journalist are not random people, but people with specific personalities, just like those who are attracted to the job of soldier tend to have specific personalities. People’s personalities drive their opinions and biases, which in turn makes them susceptible to see certain things as true or false, even if the evidence doesn’t support that.
That you see this as white supremacy against the left already shows that you have bought into a rather extremist narrative.
Mick
6th November 2018, 4:18
According to the globalist corporations that have the most visiblity and influence in the world we are all racist white supremacists nazis if we think something they do not espouse. Let alone actually saying what you think, that’s grounds for immediate dismissal i.e. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/gizmodo.com/google-fired-and-disciplined-employees-for-speaking-out-1822277125/amp You say the right invents narratives and censors but true right wingers have almost no influence in today’s media driven world. It’s just a buzzword/label for thinking something that is unpopular.
Also, in any argument it is good practice to back up statements with examples, rather than just a sentence that amounts to the old ‘I know you are but what am I’ preamble.
grat
5th November 2018, 14:58
Just because they have stories you don’t like, doesn’t make them left wing elitist mainstream media.
The right is becoming more and more like the flat earth society– In spite of huge evidence to the contrary, you still believe your narrative is correct, and the universe is wrong.
Lord knows the left isn’t blameless, but the majority of their narrative can be verified with actual facts, and documentation.
As long as it’s “us vs. them”, we all lose.
Aapje (@aapje)
5th November 2018, 22:03
@grat
There are major parts of the left-wing narrative that cannot in fact be verified with facts. For example, a central claim of the left is that diversity makes organizations and society stronger, but the evidence for this is lacking. When it comes to organizations, diversity seems to help with some things, but hurt with others, making the overall effect very dependent on the situation. This is quite contrary to the left-wing narrative where diversity is portrayed as always being hugely beneficiary.
This is even more true for society as a whole. The left-wing researcher Robert D. Putnam published a study in 2007 where he showed that ethnically diverse communities have less mutual trust, cooperation and altruism. Again, the left typically tells a completely different story, disregarding the scientific facts and instead making claims that seem primarily based on wishful thinking and/or dogma.
Now, that certainly doesn’t mean that the right (or centrists) don’t have major incorrect narratives as well, but the idea that the left-wing narratives are scientifically mostly proven, while the right-wing narratives are completely wrong is very questionable.
But that’s exactly what you are doing when you claim that the right is way more wrong than the left! Surely many people on the right who read your claim that they are mostly wrong while you are mostly right feel will feel attacked and treated unfairly.
Phylyp (@phylyp)
5th November 2018, 2:17
@drmouse – FOM re-released the original (full-featured) F1 timing app here: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fodmltd.f1timing
So, go ahead and install the official app linked above, and once you’ve confirmed the live timings are back in their detailed glory, you may update/uninstall the current app that you have.
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
5th November 2018, 8:02
Priming Google for F1 again, @phylyp. Smooth.
Phylyp (@phylyp)
5th November 2018, 8:04
Shush @jimmi-cynic , and I’ll cut you in on 10%.
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
5th November 2018, 8:08
@phylyp: Not a word. Just curious if the 10% is before or after paying the Data Miners Union dues?
Phylyp (@phylyp)
5th November 2018, 8:12
@jimmi-cynic – 10% of what you and I pay to use Google Search, etc. ;-)
Jimmi Cynic (@jimmi-cynic)
5th November 2018, 9:21
@phylyp: Wow! That much? Even 10% of our immortal souls on the open data aggregation market makes it an attractive offer.
Phylyp (@phylyp)
5th November 2018, 9:37
@jimmi-cynic – nice one, you got me there :-)
Matteo (@m-bagattini)
5th November 2018, 9:25
Nice @phylyp! iOS apps are there too, for those wondering. Just search “F1 live timing” in the App Store.
Stephen Crowsen (@drycrust)
5th November 2018, 5:22
Shouldn’t the fuel injection been calibrated before Qualifying, let alone the Race? The rules place an expectation upon a team to have their car prepared for a race before it starts. Haas got disqualified because they made little mistake on the dimensions of part of the floor of the car. Mercedes and Williams both run the same engine and software and they weren’t disqualified, and also Perez wasn’t disqualified, so it looks as though there was something different, maybe even unique, to this one car. Strangely enough, this problem didn’t reoccur at the Mexican GP.
Jere (@jerejj)
5th November 2018, 10:05
@drycrust I think, yes, it indeed should’ve been calibrated at the latest before the race.
Jere (@jerejj)
5th November 2018, 10:08
I agree with Keith on the topic of the budget cap proposal as well as the COTD concerning the super-licensing points system.
rsp123 (@rsp123)
5th November 2018, 11:23
The way to enforce a budget cap is not to try and police spending from above (expensive and futile), but rather to make it pointless for a team to spend more than its competitors. One way to do that is to follow MotoGP’s “claiming rule” that says a team must sell its machine to another team (according to certain rules) on demand for a modest sum. This would mean that a team spending gazillions on their car would only enjoy any advantage for a short time. If the commercial interests are too threatened by this, then perhaps there could be an “inspection rule” instead, whereby a team can pay a (modest) fee to have a close look at another’s car. Again, there would be rules about how often and under what conditions this could happen, but something like this would stop teams spending millions on gains that would instantly be lost.
Another way to achieve this would be to handicap the big spenders. One way to do that would be to allow those teams on the smallest budgets (i.e. with the fewest staff) to have extra performance. The downside to this is that it would recognize that F1 is in fact two classes. WEC has used such a system over the years (though not for financial reasons).
Martin
5th November 2018, 13:45
Very interesting that Vasseur says Leclerc will be under pressure up against Hamilton and not the 4xWDC on the other side of the Ferrari garage.
NS Biker (@rekibsn)
5th November 2018, 21:17
Was wondering the same thing. Either we, or Vasseur, has lost something in translation.
Just so long as Leclerc understands, “Slow down and protect the tyres”, in Italian, then he will do OK.