Video: See F1’s new 2019 graphics in action including Overtake Probability

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Formula 1 has published three videos showing its new 2019 graphics including one which shows a real-time “overtake probability”.

The sport’s commercial rights holder is asking for feedback on the new graphics which also show data on “car performance” and “pit stop advantage”:

Overtake probability

The three graphics can be generated in real-time during races by applying machine learning to FOM’s real-time data feeds from the teams, historical information. The Overtake Probability graphic is designed to show the probability of success of a given pass.

The Car Performance graphic uses tyre wear and temperature data and to reveal “the overall performance of the car and show how long [the driver] can continue at this pace before his lap times fall off a cliff and he is an easy target.”

The Pit Stop Advantage graphic is intended to show whether a driver can gain an advantage by pitting earlier or later than a rival ahead.

F1’s managing director motorsport Ross Brawn said the new graphics will harness F1 technology to give fans a deeper understanding of the sport.

FOM is asking fans for their opinions on all three new graphics via its partner AWS.

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  • 91 comments on “Video: See F1’s new 2019 graphics in action including Overtake Probability”

    1. Are people going to stop thinking and assessing what they see for themselves soon or what?

      Don’t bother answering – I will design an App that gives me a percentage probability of being considered to be a dinosaur till death.

      1. No I think it is designed to appeal to a wider audience. F1 has never really done anything seriously to get more people on board the F1 train. Usually F1 has been a sport where someone who knows about it, teaches someone who is new to it. In my opinion, this will give people an opportunity to understand what is going on. It seems silly to us since we know we can read into the possibility by looking at lap times and gaps to leading cars. For someone who is just watching it without giving it much thought, it is going to be a reason to continue watching.

        As the sport goes, it seems like a video game now, but as a business decision, it is the right step to take.

        1. I agree. There’s no harm in this if it opens it up to more people. Plus, I think a lot of F1’s core fans will like some of these too. Given how popular this site is, and Giorgio Piola and Craig Scarborough’s incredibly technical and detailed articles are, its clear that F1’s core fans like details. I think this is a good start and a step in the right direction.

          Honestly, everyone’s moaning about the overtake probability but the other two are actually really good. Plus, its not as obvious as people think. Think back to Bahrain, everyone criticized Bottas for being too passive when trying to overtake Vettel at the end. If we had this graphic, we’d know for sure. Was it a high probability and he was passive, or were his tires overheating and he was too far back? We’re always hearing about tire temperatures and such but never see exactly what they refer to. Now we do. It’d be great to see more of this to see just how hard someone is pushing, or coasting.

      2. Of course, the governments(all of them) are already pushing this trend : they know better than you what you can eat and what not, how do you raise your child etcetc. It’s no wonder that this subjection is spreading to the other areas of life.

    2. Keith, please rename this article to:

      “Video: F1 shoots itself in the foot yet again by deliberately making the sport predictable!”

    3. So this overtake probability thingy is basically just telling you in numbers what you are seeing happening right in front of your eyes.

      1. No, the graphic will show something you can’t see because the graphic is covering the image.

        1. This is the biggest problem. The graphics recently have been oversized. And they show you too much. I would actually like it if they made you pay to see these graphics. If they are stuck on the TV cluttering up the screen then it is going to get very annoying. And these percentage things, are they seriously accurate? They don’t know at all. The driver could make it awkward suddenly, then the “probability percentage” will not be at all accurate. This is a step too far. I see it coming and going almost instantly. Just like when they brought in the little dots for the sector times in qualifying in the first race last year. showing about 10 dots per sector and the dot going green, yellow or purple. They just glued your eyes to them when they were not in the slightest bit accurate. They soon got rid of them. They also tried to make qualifying more interesting in 2016, but failed and they very soon removed it. All these new ideas are not good ones.

          1. @thegianthogweed, actually, in the case of the micro-sectors, that was just a case of FOM tapping in to existing timing loops. Most circuits have a series of timing loops a few hundred metres apart which feed in to the FIA’s timing equipment for timing and monitoring purposes.

            It’s designed to be a very quick way of alerting the FIA if something is going on if a car passes through a timing loop abnormally slowly, or fails to pass one of those micro-loops altogether – for example, if a driver has suddenly slowed down due to a mechanical problem, they will know pretty quickly where he is on track and can then alert the marshals to take action (such as showing yellow flags if a driver has stopped by the side of the track).

            Of course, the teams in turn know that it can also be used to monitor the progress of the cars through a sector, rather than just relying on the two intermediate splits, so the idea was to give the public access to the sort of timing information that the teams themselves have. However, in that case it seems that most people were more interested on the more traditional method of just relying on the two intermediate splits.

      2. Seems like it.
        They would do better to get their directors to not cut away from interesting mid-field battles and camera angles to show the frontrunner going unimpeded through a straight. Or not to mess up the already existing graphics with strange position swaps, wrong tyre info, conflicting timing info, etc.

        1. Yep. And maybe they could stop showing shots of ignorant (in the sense of what’s going on) movie stars and hangers on and also all the zoomy city shots, although the city shots may be required by some contract.

      3. This graphic is stating the obvious.

        1. To a point it’s even offensive.

          1. This is the dumping down of F1, I remember learning foreign languages from the graphics on old broadcasts at it was very stimulating, even if I only learnt a few words here and there.

      4. F1 MARKETING GUY: ‘but they look so cooooooll’ [makes awkward hand gestures he thinks are ~gangsta~]

        yeah, they are pretty pointless. the only data that is actually useful is the predicted gap after the stop, everything else is just so casual viewers glance at it and think ‘wow, so advanced!’. but look at it for more then 2 sec and it becomes obvious that 1) it’s only telling what you can already see on screen 2) even if it didn’t, the numbers go by too fast to really make out anything out of the data.

    4. Mixed feelings. I hope these can be turned off in F1 TV Pro on a all/nothing or case-by-case basis.

      The Overtake Probability graphic is designed to show the probability of success of a given pass.

      Meh. By the time I parse that graphic, the overtake has either happened or not. Will the number stay static, or keep fluctuating as they wend their way around the circuit? It does seem like it’ll be too dynamic to make a difference.

      The Car Performance graphic uses tyre wear and temperature data and to reveal “the overall performance of the car and show how long [the driver] can continue at this pace before his lap times fall off a cliff and he is an easy target.”

      I’d like this. If it works reasonably close to what it promised, it’ll help better understand tyre performance affecting cars. Today, I know a car hit the cliff only after it happens (the driver struggles, or pits) and the commentators point it out (yeah, thanks Sherlock). It’ll be good to have more real-time information, if anything, to know how long a driver has a shot at moving/staying ahead.

      The Pit Stop Advantage graphic is intended to show whether a driver can gain an advantage by pitting earlier or later than a rival ahead.

      Oh, probably the only excitement associated with a pit stop is seeing (and guessing) where a car comes out, let’s not spoil that fun with data, data, data.

    5. They’re all horrible. The overtake and pit stop take the fun out of actually watching.

      The car performance one is even worse, making it look like the F1 game.

      Car performance can’t be calculated into a single percentage. Again it makes F1 look like a game.

      1. Completely agree. I don’t understand what Brawn is thinking when he decided that’s it’s a great idea for users to look at graphics instead of an actual overtake on screen.

        I was fairly certain that this was a terrible idea when I first read about it, and after seeing it, I’m convinced it’s the biggest epic fail from Liberty yet.

        If Aws are so interested in powering their analytics, maybe they should have a viewer dropoff probability right next to the overtake probability graphics. Maybe then run a corelation analysis and throw it in Ross Brawn’s face.

    6. What are they using for thinking :D Who in there thought this was a good idea xD

    7. The uncertainty of whether a driver is going to come out of the pits in front or behind etc is part of the appeal to me, putting the probability on the screen takes that interest away. These are the kind of features that should be added into the F1 app, with an off switch and not forced onto the world feed.

      1. Completely agree @andykb I’d also be keen for opposing teams to not have too much info on the car that they’re fighting, they’ll otherwise be able to second guess the strategies and then it’ll promote sterile racing where strategies are neutralised

        1. Agreed @3dom, the problem is that the teams talk about the importance of fans etc but they can’t get over their own self interest. I’m surprised that Brawn actually thinks that these graphics are a good idea, it looks like they are trying anything out of desperation but are just infuriating fans, as they did by changing the timing in the F1 app.

      2. There are people (like me) who usually watch the race after the race is over, so putting those features into an app is meaningless because the app can’t be synchronised with the video, and the easiest way to achieve synchronisation is to put it in the video. Maybe there’s a place to put those features on the “in the car” graphics that the race producer uses from time to time in a race. I think a better improvement would be if they included which car it was. Some drivers do provide a hint as to whose car the on board camera feed is from, but many don’t, and even if they do it gets covered over by the “in the car” graphics, so you have to guess or wait for the racing commentator to tell you. Putting an identifier would be a better improvement. I can’t see why your broadcaster can’t supply two channels, one with these new graphics and one without, then people can choose which they prefer.
        The video was far too short to get any understanding of what those graphics are about, although I did see an oil pressure gauge. I didn’t know oil pressure was on offer, but really the question is how much oil is there in the reservoir. Unless the oil runs out or the pump fails oil pressure is irrelevant.
        The biggest hindrance to understanding an F1 race is the paywall. If I have to pay $1000+ to watch the races for a year then graphics or not I’m not going to watch F1. As far as I can tell that is the way many F1 fans think too.
        I’ve only been able to watch F1 races because my current supplier provided a streaming service at a price I believed I could justify, but there are fans around who believe that money is better spent on their children, so paying for a streaming service (on top of paying for broadband) isn’t an option for them. Now our broadcaster of choice is changing, and so far the new broadcaster hasn’t announced what the price will be, so I still don’t know if I will be watching the races next year.
        I’m sceptical regarding how much improvement in overtaking we’ll see next year, and it is so very easy to make a video that pretends to show how great overtaking will be. I think I’d have been more impressed if they showed wind tunnel tests with two cars in each test built to the new and old car rules.

        1. I don’t see why they can’t be in the app, they can be on a separate feed and you just synchronise the app with your playback, as you can do with live timing @drycrust. Liberty aren’t interested in free to air coverage, which is why the first thing Liberty did was to launch their pay F1 TV app.

          I would ban the teams’ ‘Mission Controls’ and all team radio, let the drivers think for themselves for a change.

    8. GtisBetter (@passingisoverrated)
      1st December 2018, 13:37

      The data seem pointless fluff. The overtake % get higher when a car gets closer? Really? And what is that second video. The Hulk his car is a 67% of peak performance?

      1. @passingisoverrated – Rear left tyre was at max temperature. Under those conditions, the AI judges that the car performance is severely compromised. Reporting it as a percentage may mean something specific but I couldn’t see what – possibly the chance of this causing a significant problem like an overtake, crash or blistering. Needs more context.

    9. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should! It absolutely takes the suspense and excitement away from the moment. Slow hand clap FOM, well done indeed. 👏 👏 👏

      1. You’re talking about drs, right?

        1. Well no, but I suppose that applies too.

    10. Is this the slow move to Americanise the sport in all the worst ways? American sports are obsessed with stats and percentages clogging up their screens. F1 does not need this. It’s just a stupid distraction that detracts from the event rather than add anything.

      1. IndyCar has none of these graphics. It’s all F1’s ideas, nothing to do with American sport.

        1. Americanize (as we spell over here) F1 is right. Here’s an excerpt from a New York Times article about American football and a new ‘probability’ calculator for catching passes….. I guess we now know where the idea came from.

          Just how improbable was determined within seconds, by tracking devices embedded in the football, the players’ shoulder pads and the goal-line pylons, among many other places.

          Those devices collect data like the quarterback’s foot speed at the time he releases the ball, how much time he has to throw and the distance to the receiver. If, for instance, a quarterback is running faster than 8 miles an hour when he throws, his chances of completing the pass drop.

          The devices also collect data related to the receiver, including the space between him and the nearest defender and the distance separating him from the sideline. The closer a receiver is to the sideline, the lower the likelihood of his catching the pass.

    11. Please click on the link Keith put up there and leave your opinions on the AWS page.

    12. Never tell me the odds.

    13. Keith, seriously, what´s your opinion on this? I have no words really, too much info this days and this is the worst they came up so far, do they think we can´t process info on our own?

      1. Ofc they think that. What do you think the entire broadcastteams are doing?

      2. @melbourne Some people have said it’s an answer to a question no one asked.

        I disagree. I think it’s the answer to the question: “How do we justify charging the world’s largest internet retailer to show their branding during a race?”

        What I do find interesting is what Brawn said about using the same technology behind it to make more informed decisions about how to improve tracks, cars, rules etc… That could genuinely change F1 for the better.

        But this on-screen stuff is just fluff.

        1. “How do we justify charging the world’s largest internet retailer to show their branding during a race?”

          True.

    14. Left some feedback, the only one I was even neutral on was the car performance one.

      The other two are horrible. An overtaking opportunity is the moment fans want to concentrate on the action, and the worst possible time to take up part of the screen with a distracting, invasive graphic. And the pit stop one spoils the fun – one of the reasons I like watching F1 is because I have no idea what’s going to happen five seconds from now. I want to make my own guesses, not have a graphic telling me what to expect.

      Even car performance was a bit naff – I quite like the idea but the ‘67% performance’ in the video seemed absurdly low, given that he’d be close to VSC speed if he dropped off that much. It would be confusing to me, and I’m a seasoned fan, so it’d be even worse to a new viewer. Not that F1 has many of those these days…

      1. An overtaking opportunity is the moment fans want to concentrate on the action, and the worst possible time to take up part of the screen with a distracting, invasive graphic.

        @neilosjames – an excellent point. I hope you left feedback on the survey site.

    15. Those percentage numbers seems to be taken out of the air and just clogging up the screenspace. The temps are nice to see however but they dont seem to be updated in realtime so its no correlation to whats happening on the screen.

    16. Overtake probability seems irrelevant.
      I liked the other two.

    17. so after showing us every overtake 10 times from every angle, people being idiots in de grandstand, useless pit box shots with nobody’s not watching the race. They think we are going to watch the overtaking data in stead of the actual overtake? This probably accompanied with even more annoying blieping and bluping sounds.

    18. If all this information is available to all teams, it helps to explain why some little action is seen on the track. Teams can predict precisely the result of any action on the track, leaving too little for driver input. This makes a F1 car almost an unmanned vehicle, as most of the relevant decisions were made previously and outside the cockpit.

      1. You’re hitting on why, when we talk about today’s drivers and how they rank amongst the greats, I don’t feel like they are achieving great feats compared to the days when so much more was in the drivers’ hands.

    19. This is exactly the thing Brawn should be stepping in and putting the brakes on. Yes, F1 is all about numbers, statistics and data, but it should NEVER dominate the racing. Telling us in advance about overtakes, pit exit orders, expected tire life, car “performance levels” etc take away the excitement, the viscerality, of the racing.

      If we continue in this direction, we might as well just run the races virtually and televise the pitewall/strategy rooms…

    20. Duncan Snowden
      1st December 2018, 14:55

      My favourite period of F1 was back when I could watch live with the old Java timing app, and see every driver’s sector times. That, with the intervals, is all you need to follow the race perfectly. They ruined the live timing by turning the times into coloured blobs (and taking live races off FTA, of course), and none of this makes up for that.

    21. Useless, not wanted, distracting and even difficult to read because it is just bunch of useless stuff crammed into too small space. You need to focus away from the racing to the gadget to see what is going on. And they are even using numbers. They should ditch the numbers completely and use graphs, bars and round indicators like the tach and speedometer in your car. That way you could at least glance at the thing and see what it is. How to get it all wrong abc.

    22. Pathetic. This is all just pure and simple gimmickry to mask the fact that the current formula lacks natural intensity. So after years of Bernie’s antiquated reign (btw, anyone stopped watching because grid girls aren’t there anymore?) we’ve now swung to management by also old dudes who take market studies at face value: we’ve got to reach the videogame generation, surely that must mean making everything like a video game. No you dipsticks, people want games to simulate real life, to an extent anyways, not the other way around. It’s still about formulating rules that make for close competition and until F1 figures that out no amount of colorful glitter will mask its current shortcomings. If they do want to take a lesson from gaming, it should be that the best designers know that the best way to ensure they secure a share of the market is by making quality games. Actually this makes me think to when Fox picked up hockey in the US back in the 90s and started adding red comet-tail graphics to the puck – absolute laughing stock.

      1. +10000 COTD for me .

    23. Wow. We are grumpy today…

      I’m glad I watched the videos and filled in the forms before reading the comments above. You lot would have put me off.

      The major problems in my opinion:- Too much detail, important info in red on black (worst contrast, hardest to see, most likely to be problematic for people with less-than-perfect vision). Doesn’t address the paywall issue which is the pachyderm in the closet.

      The major positives:- Gives newbies an added chance to get into the sport, provides (barely) enough info for younger viewers. But my definition of “young” is under-30’s. Maybe 40’s.

      The graphics didn’t get in the way of anything I would rather have seen. They weren’t intrusive, flashy or irritating (other than red text, I’m colour-blind). I could see they might be interesting sometimes, they seem like a good idea for non-experts. Thus the overwhelmingly negative response here, I guess.

      My 2c. YMMV.

    24. Car performance is a very nice addition. The rest is redundant.

    25. This is just encouraging people to listen to the radio. There is no point in watching if everything on screen is being explained. Dumbing down everything is not going to encourage people to watch, it just makes it boring. Are millennials really too thick to work out that an overtake might happen?

    26. Well, this is awful. Due to Sky Sports I won’t have the pleasure of witnessing this anyway.

    27. OMG! I have seen some appalling things tried in F1 but this has just got to be one (or three) of the worst suggestions ever. I enjoy the F1 live timing because it shows real data in real time (incidently often several seconds before it happens on the screen) but the data shown there, tyre type and age, sector times and interval times etc. etc. is informative and, as it is on my computer screen, not intrusive to the picture on the TV. I look at it when I want to see it and not when I want to watch the racing. I do not want glaring graphics spoiling my viewing.

      Please, all F1 on the telly fans go and vote against these awful ideas.

    28. F1 fans are the biggest negative Nancy’s in all of sports.

      Everything new is instantly criticised. From new tracks that suck, new rules that aren’t going to work and apparently even new graphics. Always complaining, always nagging and never coming up with something better. Blegh!

      1. @jeffreyj: Hi Bernie! Happy to see you posting on the internet. Still sore about the ‘elimination’ qualy failure?

      2. Yep. Any change is apparently terrible.

      3. Why do you need to come up with something better? Here is an idea, don’t put pointless graphics on the screen just for the sake of ‘doing something new’. Concentrate on making the sport available to the masses. Remove the paywalls. Stop changing rules every other week. Enforce the rules consistently, don’t turn a blind eye to certain drivers. Qualy is fine but let’s change it so it’s ‘new’ for some reason. Lets mess with the cars so it’s ‘new’. Let change the tires again so it’s new.
        No other sport does this nonsense. Cricket is cricket. Football is football. Darts is darts. Snooker is snooker, etc.

    29. Are we supposed to find these graphics interesting and exciting because the racing isn’t?

      1. @nickwyatt: Maybe because Liberty feels they just need to get lucky with one gimmick and the money will roll in. To Liberty shareholders. Screw the racing, Liberty needs to spice up the earnings!

        1. @jimmi-cynic “Let’s jack the share price and maybe we can sell out at a profit like Bernie did!”

    30. To paraphrase a well known political campaign slogan: ‘Its about the racing, stupid’.
      My sole judgement criteria about any new proposal is simple. Does it improve the racing.
      The answer for these three sets of graphics is a resounding no.
      The only one that might, very small might, improve the viewing experience is the car performance, but showing a single car numbers is fairly meaningless. It needs to show the numbers relative to the cars it’s racing against, ahead or behind.

    31. joe pineapples
      1st December 2018, 22:01

      Is it just too simple a reaction to say ‘what a load of cobblers’, because as a race fan since the late 80s’, this was my first thought. They really are prepared to try anything to bring in the younger generation, aren’t they.

    32. For what it’s worth I just submitted this to AWS: These 3 graphics add little to understanding or enjoying the race. While I’m not sure what would be really useful to viewers, if Brawn & Co. aren’t able to devise something better, ditch the concept.

    33. Well… I actually like the idea. Sure, the graphics need developing and are mostly pointless but I can’t help feel the reaction is far too negative.

      Firstly, the car data on the Hulkenberg clip is actually really interesting to see. I mean seeing tyre wear, temperatures etc to me at least is interesting. They might have visuals on how different teammates are using their tyres etc which I’d be interested in knowing. I used to like when the fuel usage was shown as it was easy to see when a driver had changed their engine settings.

      The pit stop gap isn’t needed but I disagree that it removes tension. On the clip provided the gap was shown at 0.5 in Vettels favour. The reality is this gap is very small and it still has to happen on track. Seeing the time close up while the pit stop is on going will show how costly those slow stops actually are.

      The probability of an overtake seems a little stupid because the percentage flies up when a car is near. I’m not sure how they’ll impove this but it could be a great tool to show how impressive someone’s defensive driving is.

      Overall, no one asked for this and I’d much rather more effort go into free to air options ! But I don’t think this is as bad as some are making it out to be.

      1. @Tom I think you’ve summed up well what I think about this too.

    34. I’ll just copy/paste what I posted the other day.

      I think there’s too much clutter on the screen as it is so i’m not a fan of adding more.

      Additionally as I said in a comment a few days ago I’d rather they give us less information rather than more because I am starting to feel that the amount of information we are getting is adding to the predictability & removing some of the tension & therefore excitement we used to get from not knowing some of this stuff.

      I don’t want to be told how likely/unlikely an overtake is via a silly looking graphics full of numbers, I want to watch the cars & work that out for myself. I don’t want to be shown the likely gap between cars after a pit stop because half the fun you get from that sort of thing is not knowing exactly where a car will come out. I don’t want to see exactly how the car & tyres are performing with another graphic full of numbers, I can see this already from the timing data & how a car is behaving.

      If we know what tyres everyone is on, If we know pretty much when everyone is pitting, If we are shown how likely or unlikely an overtake is, How a car is performing, What the likely gaps will be after a stop then why are we then surprised that as viewer’s things seem more predictable than they used to be?

      I want to focus on the cars & the track action rather than been distracted by clutter that is predicting things i’d rather figure out for myself by watching the cars. I don’t want to be told/shown how a race is likely going to play out, I want to figure it out for myself & be actually surprised by it when it happens because that is a part of what makes watching races enjoyable to me.

    35. Oooh…. Top Trumps with animation. How uber cool…

      When does the sign ‘Press now to enter bet’ appear?

      1. This!
        “Place $1 and win $100 on 1% chance of overtaking now!”

        1. Many a true word spoken in jest……

          Liberty have been talking about getting betting companies involved. Betting companies have vast amounts of money. Betting companies need probability data to set odds. This provides that data. Guess what comes next…..

          I’m sure it’ll be sold as a wonderful enhancement to fans experience blah blah blah…..

    36. Complete rubbish. Not needed, mostly not relevant to watching a race and will only server to waste screen space.

      Of course because of all that Liberty (the new Bernie only there’s more of them) will bring it in.

      1. Hardly. BE would not have even listened to a pitch on something technological such as this, and If he did he would dictate it’s usage and we’d have no choice, rather than floating the idea to see what people think. I’ll not knock Brawn and Liberty for wanting to tap into the latest greatest supercomputer work if it makes sense to do so. Judging from the majority reaction here, I wonder if they will even go ahead with the added graphics, but I sure don’t blame them for thinking outside the box.

    37. SUCH WOW
      MUCH GRAPHICHS
      VERY NEEDED
      BESTEST

      Terrible, stop putting things on the screen!

    38. The only one I perhaps like is the car performance one. These new graphics take away some unpredictability. I just want to watch the action, not be distracted by the reading of graphics.

    39. If they can give us this info before the race then maybe we can decide if its even worth watching…

    40. I kind of like the pit stop gap predictor, as that’s something that I want to see. Yes, I like the uncertainty, but usually the commentators get it so wrong (“It’s going to be so close! Oh look, the gap is three seconds…” and repeat it for the next pitstop cycle, even though the gaps are the same) that I’d rather have some proper info. Or at least a track map showing where the other car(s) is/are.

      The other two… nah.

    41. So, let me sumarize what just happend. They picked specific moments of a race, applied these AMAZING new graphics and
      telemetry data to achieve percentaged prediction to something that we aldeady know the outcome!!!!!!!
      P.S. 99% when Vettel had already overtaken Hamilton, I guess there a 1% error margin which is acceptable! lol

    42. I wonder of this is connected to Liberty getting into betting.

      1. Sure as eggs is eggs…

    43. I don’t like overtake probability and pit stop advantage graphics.
      I really want to see more real time data about car performance. Like data about: tyres, fuel, battery, temperatures etc.
      So I like real time data but I don’t like predictions.

      1. @patent Yeah that’s well said. I agree. Even the pit stop graphic doesn’t bother me though, as we can usually do the math on that fairly easily as do the commentators for us. But I agree on the overtake predictions and how we don’t need that. But that said, I predict (lol) that once the cars are redesigned without drs and to make less wake and to be less dependent on aero downforce, the overtake prediction graphic might show something closer to 50% rather than something in the 90’s with drs, so perhaps that graphic from 2021 onward would simply be telling us the pass attempt may or may not work, it’s 50/50, so keep watching.

    44. What a bloody awful idea. I’ve got eyes. Let me build some anticipation with them, for God’s sake!

    45. Can this be applied to Football (either type) .?? I suspected not.
      The screen is already cluttered with too much non-information as it is.
      These are the same folks that still haven’t figured out how to insert commercials during the race, without generating animosity to the advertisers, the one group that pays really big $$$ for the privileged. Same comment on camera time focused on the stands, girl-friends and movie stars during the race. Why.??
      Suspicion is that most in North America that follow F1, watch it tape-delayed. This means you only watch 90% of the race and none of the commercials.
      They have much bigger problems to solve than adding screen hogging graphics that we managed without so far. If each of the teams have hoards of staff whose task is to monitor car performance, how can one viewer take in and process this same information for 20 cars.?? Not useful or of value.

    46. I’m all for these graphics. Love them! If there are people who don’t like it, it’s because they don’t like change. And that’s been the age old problem in Formula 1. These new graphics will attract a more technically minded audience. Liberty wants F1 to attract as many types of people as possible. I’m all for it and hope more stuff like this come form Liberty. It’s almost like playing a game.

    47. Calculating overtake probability Hakkinen, Zonta and Schumacher at Spa 2000:

    48. So instead of obvious missing graphics like no. of pit stops, tyre type next to the name and even gain or loss trend, it’s something as laughable as the chance of overtaking? It’s so typical F1.

    49. I don’t like this … I have not rational justification or criticism of the idea to offer I just fundamentally don’t like it.

    50. It’s obvious that almost everyone dislikes this for the same reasons: it takes away the drama, etc. If FOM moves forward with this despite the nearly universal disapproval, it will say all we need know about the future of F1 with Liberty. I am not optimistic.

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