Ferrari’s pace “similar” to Mercedes in Monaco – Leclerc

38 comments on “Ferrari’s pace “similar” to Mercedes in Monaco – Leclerc”

1. 

   maiagus
   30th May 2019, 0:31

   For those oldtimers – as myself – who lived when words made any sense, this is what non-fungible token is supposed to mean:
   “ERC-721 is a free, open standard that describes how to build non-fungible or unique tokens on the Ethereum blockchain. While most tokens are fungible (every token is the same as every other token), ERC-721 tokens are all unique. Think of them like rare, one-of-a-kind collectables.” http://erc721.org/
   Translation (I may be wrong): pay to win.
   And almost off-topic, but who told people that people would be entice by some insipid copy to put into word some archane tech function. Or is this what kids these days are interested in. Ok, some new technology are worth promoting, it can be fancy, but how this make it funnier. Somehow in the same vein that the number of Mflops in the wind tunnels computers do not translate into action on the track.
   I am used to legal/financial parlance and I can’t stop thinking all this nonsense associated to blockchain/crypto products, beyond been dry AF, is a new way to package speculation/betting in a yet unregulated realm.
   “Oh, no. This is not betting nor speculation, this a non fungible token that you can use inside our system to interact with other community members, and maybe win some money while you trade/play with it.”
2. 

   Jon Bee
   30th May 2019, 0:57

   Is it possible to have a translation of this gibberish?

   “…The first official Formula 1 digital collectible has been sold for 415.9 ether tokens, a cryptocurrency, with a current value of $113,000 US. The ‘non-fungible token’ is for the F1 Delta Time blockchain game, the racing element of which will launch next year. According to the game makers this is “a record for the highest price ever paid for a branded game NFT”…”

   I haven’t the slightest clue what this is about or what it’s connection to real life F1 might possibly be. It does remind me of the Emperor’s clothes.
   1. 

      maiagus
      30th May 2019, 1:23

      Pay to win.
      Btw, in a game that does not exist yet.
      Somehow people think that an abstraction of a loopfuction in a spreadsheet can be the base for a industry.
      Take speculation and betting from crypto/blockchain, and you have some back office application that should have been limited to intrabusiness seminars.
      1. 

         mystic one (@mysticus)
         30th May 2019, 1:40

         I guess whoever paid for it works for the owners… to promote more stuff and create expectation for high pricing and when enough made, things will probably go down south pretty quickly!
         1. 

            bernasaurus (@bernasaurus)
            30th May 2019, 5:34

            Pay to win what? I’ve re-read it 20 times and I’m non-the wiser as to what on earth that is about. I’m really not that old, least I didn’t think I was.

            I’m very happy for the person/thingy and their $100k sparkly picture of a car regardless, I hope they win lots when the racing version launches next year.
            1. 

               GtisBetter (@)
               30th May 2019, 6:44

               Pay to win, a bit simplified, is that you pay money for the best gear (weapons or cars) to compete online. Or for example in FIFA you can buy pack with football players and use them in your team. The more money you spend, the higher chance of better players. So if you spend lots of money you have a better team to compete online.
   2. 

      Nulla Pax (@nullapax)
      30th May 2019, 9:25

      Basically it is that colour scheme/style of car in a game. Real money for pretend items.
      No one else will have it except the sucker that bought it.
3. 

   budchekov (@budchekov)
   30th May 2019, 1:00

   That Indy Lights race was a serious slugfest, thoroughly enjoyed it.
   Some real talented young drivers there, Michael A runs three cars!
   Pity the fields so small,
4. 

   Ads Lee
   30th May 2019, 2:24

   Congratulations Ferrari you were as fast as Mercedes…. in a race were they were forced to drive as slow as possible. That is quite an achievement.
   1. 

      ajay
      30th May 2019, 2:38

      lol
   2. 

      papaya
      30th May 2019, 6:31

      True, Leclerc should’ve in front nearer to Hamilton and could’ve making the suicide overtaking taken Hamilton out instead.
5. 

   Toxic
   30th May 2019, 2:39

   Disagree with the COTD. Kubica is slower than Russel at this stage but to be frank he is not that far off. To add to this all strange rumours circulating around issues with the parts production and that the cars are not the same, we have even bigger question mark over this comparison. I’d rather wait for my judgement till the end of the year. He hasn’t raced a car like this for 8 years, he hasn’t raced competitively in a single seater for 8 years and we had many cases when drivers needed some more time to get to grips with their cars (Perez in Mcl or Leclerc in Sauber to name two).
   If GR is a star of the future as many call him, then considering everything above, it seems that RK might still have it. In Monaco he wasn’t actually slower than GR.
   1. 

      GongTong (@gongtong)
      30th May 2019, 8:02

      Personally, I think the gap will widen. George is inexperienced and is still settling in to F1. Kubica, I don’t feel, will improve with time as he’s capped by his injuries.

      The rumours of a lack of parity with the cars are mostly coming from Robert. Which is just making the whole situation a bit more embarrassing for him.

      I really hope I’m wrong. But I said that to everybody expecting miracles before the season began, and so far all has been as expected.
      1. 

         Ross
         30th May 2019, 10:41

         Kubica’s time in F1 counts for close to nothing. The mechanics of his driving have changed completely since he was last racing in F1 full time and the cars/tyres/strategy are completely different. There shouldn’t be anyone counting RK as anything other than a rookie, that said he’s in a dog of a car against the current F2 Champion? Whom, by many, is regarded as one of the next generation of champions. The constant car parity issues in the press are a bit off-putting, but in honesty, Russell has a reason to stay the course and drive home the team line, RK not so much.
      2. 

         Phylyp (@phylyp)
         30th May 2019, 10:44

         @gongtong – good points.
6. 

   Eric
   30th May 2019, 4:10

   It didn’t take long for the Kubica white knights to emerge. Here are the facts. Kubica has been outqualified by George in every race. The margin is over half a second. Let that sink in. Half a second. He is clearly not fast enough.

   I will grant that Williams may have given preferential treatment for parts to George. Right now he has earned it. Plus, George’s contract may have monetary value in the future if he does well. See Bottas.

   That being said, he is still lacking pace. Saying he hasn’t raced in 8 years is a cop out. At anytime, Kubica could have raced in other series and not been just a test driver. Why didn’t he go to F2 and prove he still has it?
7. 

   Phylyp (@phylyp)
   30th May 2019, 4:25

   “official Formula 1 digital collectible”

   By “official”, does it mean sanctioned/approved by Liberty Media? A quick search shows yes, it is with their full involvement: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevemccaskill/2019/03/29/f1-to-release-official-blockchain-game/#1c62167925d9

   I’m disappointed that LM is jumping on the cryptocurrency bandwagon in its nascent – and often questionable – state. There’s a valid reason why the SEC is keeping a sharp eye on crypto, and it’s not “ooh, the government is terrified about losing its stranglehold on currency”.

   And its a ‘non-fungible token’ – so the buyer can’t exchange it for anything else. Well, you know what they say about a fool and his money…

   But then again, that Forbes article states “The desire of Formula 1 owners Liberty Media to expand its audience and attract younger fans to the sport will see it launch an official Blockchain-based game”, so maybe I’m just too old to understand.
   1. 

      Ohm
      30th May 2019, 4:59

      Being a ‘non-fungible token’ does not mean it cannot be exchanged with anything else.
   2. 

      ColdFly (@)
      30th May 2019, 7:33

      It’s not a crypto currency; just using the same underlying blockchain ‘technology’. @phylyp.

      And non-fungible means ‘unique’ rather than non-tradable.
      But I had to check that as well as I thought that non-fungible meant ‘without mushrooms’ ;)
      1. 

         Nulla Pax (@nullapax)
         30th May 2019, 9:27

         @coldfly
         Looks like the designer might have had a few mushrooms to be honest.
         1. 

            Phylyp (@phylyp)
            30th May 2019, 11:01

            @nullapax – the designer who did the paint scheme in the car in that photo was definitely on something! Maybe he kept those cans of paint open…
      2. 

         Phylyp (@phylyp)
         30th May 2019, 10:47

         @coldfly and Ohm – thank you for the corrections.

         I’m still confused (no surprises there)… A blockchain is a distributed ledger, so how is that used in a game? Or is it just used to keep track of these tokens? It feels like buzzword bingo, just get a load of snazzy terms involved.
         1. 

            Dave
            30th May 2019, 12:04

            You’re not confused. It is buzzword bingo to a fairly large extent.
8. 

   Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
   30th May 2019, 5:18

   I didn’t understand anything from the snapshot paragraph. What is it all about? I don’t speak marketing!
9. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   30th May 2019, 6:52

   I have to agree with the COTD thoroughly. Kubica indeed has been the slowest driver of the field on outright pace especially in the qualifyings, but not really any different situation in the races either. I also share the same views with the last paragraph in that it was always expectable that he’d have a hard time given how long he was away from competitive single-seater racing. People indeed had perhaps a bit too high expectations on him that he’d be the same as he was back in 2010, but the reality has been slightly different to that.
10. 

    Gulp
    30th May 2019, 8:23

    Kubica is only a couple of tenths slower at worst than the reigning F2 champion and matching him on a good day. Not checked but sure hes closer to George than say Gasly is to Verstap, which says a lot.

    He was set to finish ahead in Monaco if not for Giovs silliness, and some of his other race performances can be explained by more than a simple lack of pace.

    I’d say he has much more to gain back than an on form title winning Russell so lets just wait and see.
    1. 

       ColdFly (@)
       30th May 2019, 8:52

       hes closer to George than say Gasly is to Verstap, which says a lot.

       says a lot?? Russell is a rookie, Verstap(pen) might be the same age but has been in F1 and RBR for dog-ages.
       1. 

          notme
          30th May 2019, 11:02

          Kubica was out of f1 for more then 8 year, the f1 car have changed dramaticly since the last time he raced in f1. Also Russel in 2018 was racing in F2, Kubica was doing sumulator runs in Williams underpreformig car… So as far as “inexperience” and “rookie”, I’d say Kubica is in the same, if not worse position then Russel.
11. 

    vjanik (@vjanik)
    30th May 2019, 10:10

    Regarding COTD

    Switch Hamilton with Kubica and see what happens. Hamilton will be fighting with Russel at the back, and Kubica with Bottas at the front. If you put them both in a Renault, they would be fighting with Ricciardo in the midfield.

    The cars are on rails and the limiting factor is tyre grip and downoforce (not the driver skill).

    I think if Russel and Kubica were in a competitive car which had consistent handling and a chance to win a race every now and then (like BMW days), Kubica would beat Russel even with his handicap. I wish we could find out.
    1. 

       Dave
       30th May 2019, 12:10

       How precise a driver is has a lot to do with how closely he can approach the car’s limits consistently and without too high a degree of risk. And that’s ignoring all strategic considerations, even though strategy is a key part of F1.
       1. 

          Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
          30th May 2019, 18:48

          it’s the same for cars, isn’t it? a good, consistent car will let the driver reach the limit more often. It’ll also surprise the driver a lot less, giving him the confidence to attack.

          Not saying either of you is right or wrong, but it’s a bit of both worlds. A good driver, in a good car, is unbeatable. A good driver, in a bad car, will never do well.
          1. 

             F1oSaurus (@)
             31st May 2019, 20:51

             @fer-no65 See Hamilton in the 2009 McLaren or actually Hamilton in the 2018 Mercedes (where he extracted a lot more performance than Bottas did especially in the races where the car handled poorly).
    2. 

       liop
       30th May 2019, 14:22

       Kubica lost to Heidfeld in a not bad handling BMW. Petrov is in fact the only team mate he has beaten in F1 so far.
    3. 

       F1oSaurus (@)
       31st May 2019, 20:55

       @vjanik Kubica has never been that good though. He had a mathematical chance for the first half of of 2008 when the BMW was fast and Massa spun off in the first few races and Hamilton rammed into Raikkonen in Canada.

       Overall Heidfeld beat Kubica hands down over their period together.
       1. 

          vjanik (@vjanik)
          2nd June 2019, 13:26

          Agreed. Put Heidfeld in the Merc and he too will be fighting for wins. Any average driver will be able to. That’s my point.
12. 

    F1oSaurus (@)
    31st May 2019, 20:49

    Again it’s shame that Leclerc wasn’t there to show the ultimate pace of the Ferrari. Just like in Baku, he was much faster again than Vettel, but he couldn’t show the real pace in Q3.
13. 

    Ahmed Hassan (@ahmedschomi)
    31st May 2019, 23:24

    The Ferrari Team has a major design trouble in the SF-90 but Charles is just focusing on playing mind games talking about (he) has a similar pace to Mercedes and could fight for the win if he had started further up the grid. I’m afraid this mindset can’t make the team move forward.
    1. 

       F1oSaurus (@)
       1st June 2019, 12:58

       @ahmedschomi But then Leclerc did actually show that he had the same pace. It’s just that he didn’t get to show it in Q3, because Ferrari failed him.

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