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F1 “ridiculously expensive and unachievable” for junior teams

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Piotr noticed an unfortunate pattern to the races he attended:

I usually attend one race per year.

In 2017, I was on the turn one grandstand in Singapore. In 2018 in Hockenheim. I think I don’t bring much luck to Vettel.

In 2019 I decided not to attend any race, to give him a chance, but it seems it didn’t help…
Piotr (@Piotrzukowski)

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27 comments on “F1 “ridiculously expensive and unachievable” for junior teams”

  1. One report claims that Ferrari will name it’s new driver in about 48 hours and that it’s likely to be Sainz.
    Slightly disappointed for Daniel but not only is he expensive relatively , but also someone who prefers equality between drivers. Ferrari don’t really prefer that I suppose.
    Nevertheless, Daniel could take a route to Mercedes (if they stay) via McLaren.

    1. @webtel I also read about that.

    2. But why would Sainz give up a #1 spot at a team that has finally got a stable and clear company culture and structure, due to Seidl, for a #2 position at a team in total chaos? Just for the badge?

      1. Lol seidl. As Seidl mentioned himself last years sucess didn’t come down to him, when he joined the team was already doing well. His test was to be this season.
        It is incredible to think that a driver that got so soundly beaten by Max not only and managed to be used by RB to fool Renault, fell on mclaren, p15 team at the time, is now on for a Ferrari seat even though he barely beat a rookie.
        If this happens give Binotto a downgrade.

        1. Seidl would be a very arrogant numpty and incredibly bad manager if he would say that the turnaround at Mclaren is all thanks him, now wouldn’t he?

  2. Sainz is a great driver, but me too hoped for Daniel to go to Ferrari next year.

    If this is true, then I wish he takes Sainz his seat at McLaren. On sportive grounds, it might actually be the better team in upcoming years.

  3. The dutch version of asked Giedo vd. Garde (they have relatively regular content with him) what he thinks about Vettel stepping out at Ferrari (that is in Dutch, I am sure it will be available in English before too soon)

  4. Wolff should paid @Piotrzukowski expenses to attend every races. Or maybe split the bill with Leclerc.

  5. Piotr (@piotrzukowski)
    13th May 2020, 7:54

    My first COTD. Thanks!

  6. I find Toto’s comment quite interesting. Why would Merc need to take Vettel’s departure into consideration?

    Unless of course he thinks Ferrari might come after one of his current drivers?

    1. Because, if there is a spare Ferrari seat, the Mercedes drivers (particularly Lewis) could use it as leverage when negotiating a new contract. Mercedes will have to consider that there is another attractive seat open and perhaps make more concessions in the contract negotiations than if there wasn’t one.

      The use of the word “loyalty” is a pretty clear indicator to me that this release by Toto is actually aimed directly at Lewis – essentially saying, “look, we know a very attractive seat has become available, but we’ve been very loyal to you, will continue to do so, and given the new circumstances we are willing to move closer to your contract demands”.

      1. However at the same time it also means that Merceds has the option to sign Vettel as a replacement for Hamilton. An option of a more or less equivalent replacement they didn’t really have before yesterday @sbewers

    2. Bottas fits the bill Ferrari need: wins races, team player, still hungry, will add points for the constructors championship and can cover when LeClerc stumbles.

      And taking him would disrupt a rival.

      1. If it would in-effect be a drive swap, not entirely sure about that Witan, yes, it wouild mean change, and a new challenge, but also quite interesting, and potentially rewarding for Mercedes.

        Since Vettel is already a 4 times WDC coming into a team that is working for Hamilton, and they have experience with the Rosberg fight, I do believe that they might afford to give them parity, on absolute condition of (put penalisers in the contract?) no-avoidable contact, and see what Vettel can do, as well as what he has to offer to the team off-track. Mercedes and Wolff do seem good at giving a trustable face to their drivers (despite some 2016 Hamilton comments ;)

        I don’t really think it will be more than countering a Ferrari move by HAM with a Vettel mention by Wolff, though, given that Sky interview I somewhat doubt it will be that sort of gamesmanship exactly. But, if it’s not Sainz – guess we will know in a short while – but Bottas, they should go consider it surely.

    3. Really, Phil? You can’t imagine why a German 4x WDC-winner might be someone Mercedes would at least think about employing?

      1. @Dave. Yes I guess they might consider him for a drive if Lewis was leaving but who knows. He’s been very poor and error prone over the past two seasons. I am not sure he’s that great an option really now at this stage of his career.

        Anyway it seems likely now that Sainz will be on his way to Ferrari.

        1. I doubt they’d pick him, but if they had a free seat – as second driver, I don’t see Hamilton leaving – they’d certainly consider Vettel.

          I really think it was an entirely uncontroversial statement of the obvious.

  7. Who will replace Sainz/ Riccardo in Mc laren/ Renault ?
    Sérgio Sette Câmara, Nyck de Vries, Nico Hulkenberg, Stoffel Vandoorne.

  8. Trevor Carlin, founder of Formula 2 team Carlin, says IndyCar is an “achievable” alternative to Formula 1 for single-seater racing teams.

    It isn’t. Because it’s a spec series.
    And the 2nd point is that it isn’t road relevant. Which is what the FIA so dearly wants and why F1 is stuck with the most expensive and complicated engine in existence, that apparently costs over a billion dollars to develop.
    They didn’t want to make a simpler engine so that other constructors would be able to join, like Porsche, and they don’t want to go back to V8s and V10 that are a 100 fold cheaper to design, develop and build.

    Implying that the FIA is fine with the entire series being dependent upon 2 engine manufacturers…

    1. Sure it is. If ones goal is the top level of open wheel racing, most people would say it’s F1 then IndyCar. IndyCar is a great alternative to F1 as it has fantastic racing, drivers and tracks. And you have a chance to win the biggest race in the world.

      1. Indycar drivers can win the Tour de France?

        1. You mean the Tour De Roids?

          1. Sorry, couldn’t resist… :)

      2. I woudl have said INdycar was a true alternative to F1 in the CART era 20 years ago, But since it started going down the budget/spec route & became significantly less interesting/exciting/appealing given how it’s now just a slightly faster version of F2 I don’t see it as a genuine alternative to F1 at all.

        It is sadly a shadow of it’s former glory which is why it doesn’t have the buzz, excitement or fanbase that it had in the CART era.

        Seeing upto 33 identical spec cars running around is not & never will be as cool as when you had a dozen different chassis builders with 2 tyre suppliers & a bit more freedom with development that created some genuine interest & variance in performance in different circuits/conditions. It’s just all far too samey & sterile now, It’s lost everything that made CART so great which led it to become as big as it was before Tony George’s ego got in the way & he went on his little power trip & destroyed the series.
        If they could open it back up to allow competition between chassi builders, tyre suppliers, teams & others again it would make it so much more appealing & likely help get it back to where it was in the CART era because people would actually start seeing it was a genuine alternative to F1 again. As long as it stays a budget, spec, limited series it will never be looked at as anything other than a faster F2 which not as many will care about.

  9. Gavin Campbell
    13th May 2020, 10:44

    I think a lot depends on where Vettel lands if he stays in F1. If he is planning on staying you know he’d have a pretty firm offer from another team – with the Ferrari deal on offer he would of been able to shop around before turning it down.

    If the Sainz rumours are true could he follow Alonso’s footsteps and try and revive the fortunes of McLaren? The team that has sucessfully negiotated down the budget cap to close to their spend, they pick up Merc engines next year and for the new regs. The tech team seems to be working well and I wonder with the 2022 regs whether he has an eye on taking a punt on Woking as they wont be restructuring or fighting too hard.

    Vettel is a real historian of the sport, and I think he probably does care about his legacy. So driving for another of the grand old teams would be important to him. Furthermore he doesn’t have to win a title to cement himself in McLaren history. A few race wins would do that and provide a fitting coda to his career.

  10. I would take Vettel over Bottas at Mercedes.

    Lewis is out of contract.

    If Ferrari really want to win, man Lewis is an attractive package.

    Especially now that Mercedes staying in F1 is a question.

    And Vettel wants to salvage his reputation, he should win against Lewis in equal machinery.

    Those are goid and fun reasons.

    Much more probable is Vettel to McLaren. Certainly not Renault? Might aswell retire.

  11. re: COTD My experiences attending two races have led to similarities, too. Canada 2013 and USA 2018

    -Rain on Friday and Saturday, perfect weather on Sunday
    -Hamilton started on pole but finished 3rd
    -The podium was made up of a Red Bull driver, a Mercedes driver, and a Ferrari driver
    -The winning driver’s teammate had a spin

    Also, of course F1 is expensive, more so now that it’s gone down the hybrid route to please manufacturers. This is the result of that.

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