Alesi predicts “disaster season” in F2 and F3 due to lack of cost cuts

19 comments on “Alesi predicts “disaster season” in F2 and F3 due to lack of cost cuts”

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   Jamie B
   7th June 2020, 6:26

   If you were in charge of Mercedes, why would you stay in F1 beyond 2021? If they win the next two, that’s 8 consecutive double world championships. One of purposes of the upcoming rule changes is to shake and bunch up the competition, so why linger around and watch other teams reclaim the top spot while you sink back into the midfield just as every other winning team has over the decades. Take your success and get out, selling the team fresh from victory while it’s most profitable.
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      Sensord4notbeingafanboi (@peartree)
      7th June 2020, 8:17

      Because it is a given. The hard work was laid down a while back. It is increasingly hard to get to the top of f1 but it is also increasingly hard to get down. The teams at the top hold all aces, they can’t lose, even if they tried. F1 needs to revert 10 years of the top teams taking all power for themselves. Whilst everyone looks at ferrari, the 2 biggest periods of dominance have come one after the other.
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      bobec
      7th June 2020, 12:00

      @Jamie B So that one day the Mercedes name means as much in Formula 1 as the Ferrari name. At least that’s how I would approach it.
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         Jamie B
         7th June 2020, 16:38

         That’s a very valid point Bobec – when I commented I was thinking Ferrari are pretty much the only exception to that rule. For that to work, Mercedes would have to be really committed to it for several more decades, which is a big ask of a car manufacturer (but of course possible).

         @peartree it’s never ever too difficult to fall down from the top, not least in F1
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   Jere (@jerejj)
   7th June 2020, 7:42

   But isn’t it 2025 when the engine formula is supposed to change? At least originally this was the case. I must’ve missed something if it later got pushed back by a year.

   Also on this day in F1: The 2015 edition of the Canadian GP won by Lewis Hamilton took place with Nico Rosberg second and Valtteri Bottas third for Williams. Seb finished 5th from P16 on the grid following a penalty for overtaking under red flag-conditions in FP3.
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   Sensord4notbeingafanboi (@peartree)
   7th June 2020, 8:10

   Not american, but as far as I know confederate flags and swastikas are fairly different. The left is leaning so far out it is coming from the other side.
   I can totally see Vettel losing faith. The chassis is going backwards since 2017, the fia has cut ferrari legs and the rules have been extended an extra year, no way Hamilton isn’t winning 2021. Vettel can at least drive a great car again.
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      ian dearing
      7th June 2020, 9:41

      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Charlottesville_%27Unite_the_Right%27_Rally_%2835780274914%29_crop.jpg

      Not american either, but both feature heavily amongst the alt-right lot. So context. ‘The flag has all too often been co-opted by violent extremists and racist groups whose divisive beliefs have no place in our Corps.’ U.S. Marine Corps.
      U.S. Marine Corps a bit too far left for you?
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         GongTong (@gongtong)
         7th June 2020, 10:08

         It’s a flag that was representing a movement in favour of white supremacy and opposed to the abolition of slavery.

         At that time it can be said those were legitimate political arguments.

         There’s no confusion as to what it represents, nor who is using it today. Precisely like the Swastika.

         Yet this guy feels its the left that have the issues. He never ceases to amaze.
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            Euro Brun (@eurobrun)
            7th June 2020, 10:40

            The irony is in US, they only have two political parties. Republicans are definitely on the right (and lean further by the day), Democrats are centralist at best when compared to yhe rest of the world. America realistically doesn’t have a left, yet republican blame any desire for change on the left, cos absolutely anything is left of them.
            Like a race on an oval, its pretty much impossible to go much further right without disaster.
            1. 

               Jim (@sterling)
               7th June 2020, 11:48

               Like a race on an oval, its pretty much impossible to go much further right without disaster.

               i applaud your comments
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               BasCB (@bascb)
               7th June 2020, 18:20

               Like a race on an oval, its pretty much impossible to go much further right without disaster.

               :-) nice one @eurobrun
         2. 

            anon
            7th June 2020, 11:36

            @gongtong I get the impression it is an act of deliberate trolling, as that particular poster has a habit of tending to produce posts that are intended to provoke a backlash.
            1. 

               bobec
               8th June 2020, 10:19

               @anon It is true that many groups got involved in the recent protests. Unfortunately the looting and the destruction was a lot more widespread than you would expect. Not saying it is directly related to the BLM movement, but still. As for BLM, it is now their official objective to defund the police. They say it themselves, and they have in fact sent out a status that BLM means defunding the police. In other words, we are now debating whether we should start dismantling civil order because there are some bad cops out there, because there is a real issue with police brutality, and because there is a real need for police reform. They are already pushing this into policy for Minneapolis, which btw looks like this:
               https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1269648595499843585
               And while I do believe that sadly there is racism in America, and that needs to be addressed, I don’t believe American society and institutions are systemically racist. There is no need to systematically racialize every issue, such as police brutality. White people still suffer the most death from police brutality. Also when turning George Floyd into a martyr, let’s remember what he has done to other people in his life . That of course doesn’t mean the police officers’ (of whom only one was white anyway) actions are justified, but I definitely feel this now become a political narrative. Peaceful protests are great, rallying for justice and equality is great, but politicizing issues (it’s an election year after all), turning everything into a narrative where other opinions are not tolerated and attacking people with such opinions, turning this into a movement to abolish the police, or capitalism, whatever, is something I don’t support. This has turned into a political rally of the far left radicals, who haven’t had the “pleasure” to live in a socialist society and have no clue what they are doing, and most of them are in fact quite privileged. These are the people who lost badly in the Dem’s primaries, after which they threatened they would support DJT instead. They were also one of the main groups that refused to vote for the Dems in 2016, in effect helping DJT win. They are probably helping DJT now too (he could have totally taken advantage by being smarter), and at least are alienating GOP voters who have been considering supporting the Biden this year. And this should explain to you why I haven’t commented on the far right’s involvement in all this (though I have to say it has been more or less small and opportunistic) – because I don’t support the far right and I don’t want to see a mob of ideology-driven leftists force the far right into power again. Now, if the GOP could offer a decent moderate candidate (say the governor of Ohio, current or previous one), I would rather support them, but as it is now, the far-left are the biggest threat for me, because they are trying to turn the Dems into what the GOP is now, just on the other side of the spectrum.
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            bobec
            7th June 2020, 12:03

            @gongtong The right and the left have issues. Have you paid any attention to the BLM protests? They vandalize monuments in the nation’s capital with slogans like “capitalism must fall” and “all pigs must die”. Their official message now is “defund the police”. This is all politics now, completely out of control.
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               Mcb
               7th June 2020, 15:54

               Word
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               anon
               7th June 2020, 22:29

               bobec, it does feel like you are tending to gloss over those who acted in a peaceful manner and are instead choosing to focus on an extreme minority, seemingly with the intention of trying to paint the whole movement in an unrepresentative light.

               Equally, whilst you comment that “the right” also has issues, you don’t seem to be especially critical of those on the extreme right who have also been active during the protests – for example, those who have physically attacked activists, some of which were quite clearly racially motivated (given they were shouting white supremacist slogans at those they attacked), or the massive surge in DDoS attacks on anti-racism charities.
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   Balue (@balue)
   7th June 2020, 13:02

   What’s sustainable fuels anyway?
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      BasCB (@bascb)
      7th June 2020, 18:24

      Those would be fuels made from waste producst in a synthesis proces @balue. Either using used oils/fats (cooking oils), vegetable wastes or even from processing polymers in waste (plastics), the target being to make fuels that a) do not get mined out of the earth and b) do not use valuable resources (i.e. crops that are edible, use land which can be used for food production, or forrests etc.)
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   Todfod (@todfod)
   8th June 2020, 12:13

   “Yes, it would be a loss, because we love and appreciate him and it would be important for him to find a good seat next year. I hear rumours that Mercedes are interested and I would be very happy for him, I really would be.”

   Of course Binotto would be happy if Vettel joined Mercedes. Any team would be happy if their biggest liability was now a their strongest rival’s headache.

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