Racing Point-Mercedes co-operation could be model for Haas, says Steiner

25 comments on “Racing Point-Mercedes co-operation could be model for Haas, says Steiner”

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   Scottie (@scottie)
   18th July 2020, 0:47

   The Pirelli link:
   “The new-generation 2022 F1 cars will be heavier with different aerodynamics, which should bring overall lap times down a bit, ”

   If a lap time is going down, it’s getting faster.
   If a lap time is going up, it’s getting slower.

   I understand English is one of the hardest languages to master, yet I always get frustrated by this sort of thing. It happens everywhere, daily news reports when talking about the rate of something, or the likelihood of another.

   Is it just me?
   1. 

      @HoHum (@hohum)
      18th July 2020, 1:11

      Well I thought it was just PR BS, from Pirelli , making out that their tyres would make the cars faster even than F1 intended, that was enough to prevent me reading further. I suspect you are right.
2. 

   X1Znet (@x1znet)
   18th July 2020, 1:03

   The September date for the Lemans24 means a big difference in daylight and nighttime versus the June date.
   Will this become a important factor in the race?
   1. 

      Jere (@jerejj)
      18th July 2020, 7:40

      @x1znet I doubt it. A difference of approximately two hours between the sunset times of June 13 and September 19.
      https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@6456407?month=6&year=2020
      https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/@6456407?month=9&year=2020
      1. 

         ColdFly (@)
         18th July 2020, 8:41

         That’s 4 hours more nighttime running, and even more if you exclude twilight.
         More than I expected, and should have an impact on the race.
3. 

   Paul
   18th July 2020, 1:44

   The Sun story “F1 teams fear burnout just two weeks into season and accuse drivers of double standards for jetting off while they work (The Sun)” is perhaps typical of that newspaper and a total beat up. Two drivers left – Charles and Valterri. Lando went for medical treatment. All the others stayed. As for the conditions in Hungary, they are the same as in Austria. They teams are staying in their hotels, going to the track. Your use of this story does very little for your credibility.
   1. 

      Neil (@neilosjames)
      18th July 2020, 2:36

      Don’t see how linking to that story does anything negative to Racefans’ credibility. The guy who wrote it is actually there in Hungary and part of the regular F1 press – while the headline is standard sensationalist fare, the story itself is worth telling and I have no doubt at all that it’s based on truth. I’d be more surprised if team members weren’t quietly telling journalists they were royally displeased with their situation… and I don’t personally know where every driver went last week, but even one is enough to get the ‘one rule for them, one for us’ idea going.
   2. 

      JohnH (@johnrkh)
      18th July 2020, 2:40

      It’s one of Murdochs rags they don’t do credibility.
   3. 

      ColdFly (@)
      18th July 2020, 8:30

      Admittedly I didn’t read the story (it’s The Sun, so I know what to expect), but the headline and quote was the most interesting and relevant in the whole round-up today.

      Of course the Steiner quote is newsworthy, but I’d like to see an article around it rather than just a quote. Eg what can Haas still do that Racing Point is already doing?
4. 

   Paul
   18th July 2020, 1:46

   The Sun story “F1 teams fear burnout just two weeks into season and accuse drivers of double standards for jetting off while they work (The Sun)” is perhaps typical of that newspaper and a total beat up. Two drivers left – Charles and Valterri. Lando went for medical treatment. All the others stayed. As for the conditions in Hungary, they are the same as in Austria. They teams are staying in their hotels, going to the track. Your use of this story does very little for your credibility.

   I have not already said this… Stop censoring criticism of your reporting. Or is it just because I don’t pay you?
   1. 

      Paul Duggan
      18th July 2020, 8:16

      Didn’t you just say this?
5. 

   JohnH (@johnrkh)
   18th July 2020, 2:49

   I agree with the COTD I think it’s a bit over the top. I think it’s designed to appeal to 13yr old boys.
   1. 

      ColdFly (@)
      18th July 2020, 8:34

      Makes me feel young again ;)
   2. 

      F1 frog (@f1frog)
      18th July 2020, 9:00

      In Formula e, they have a video of each driver looking happy for when something good happens to them and one of each driver looking sad for when something bad happens to them.
   3. 

      Sensord4notbeingafanboi (@peartree)
      18th July 2020, 10:41

      great cotd. It isn’t just that graph. All graphs. FOM has taken inspiration from dorna. Dorna’s graphics are not only more evolved but also better integrated. The new cockpit graph is hiding part of the nose cone and in some cars it is hiding the wheels! what a mess, ruining the onboard, the overlay used to cover the halo, perfectly reasonable use of screen space but now they have ruined the only consistently decent camera.
      Off board, it is all shaky and zoomed in, especially on that special fast lap as you want to gauge how much faster lewis is going.
      I don’t know why they do that, if the camera is moving, the car looks stationary, zoom in and I can only see sponsors but if the camera shakes, I can’t read the sponsors either.
      And the size of the tower classification, why is that so massive? for phone viewers? the graphs are covering 40% of the screen.
      Watching f1 today feels like listening to bbc 5 live, I see the same action, same loud David Croft.
6. 

   ruliemaulana (@ruliemaulana)
   18th July 2020, 5:07

   we just need to do a little bit more of it, like Racing Point and Mercedes are doing

   Steiner just insinuate there’s an R&D collaboration between those two. We need follow up on this.
   1. 

      baasbas
      18th July 2020, 10:03

      Haas is eyeing last years Ferrari. In fact, Ferrari is eyeing last years Ferrari
7. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   18th July 2020, 7:48

   Regarding the COTD: I don’t mind.
   Regarding the Sun-post: Only three drivers have done that, no one else, and no team bosses. VB between both gaps, CL between the first, and LN between the second. Only the latter had a ‘justifiable’ reason for doing the extra travel. The first two did it essentially only for the sake of it, so they shouldn’t have been allowed. Furthermore, Hockenheim isn’t an option for later in the autumn, most definitely unfavorable in November. Spain has G1-circuits in Jerez, Valencia (the permanent one), and Aragon, so a total of three besides Circuit de Catalunya. Portugal, of course, also has Estoril, so there are more options in Europe with favorable climatic-conditions for F1 in October and November.
   1. 

      Tango (@tango)
      18th July 2020, 8:59

      In all honesty I think Bottas has to be careful. If he wants to push for the championship he must do everything he can to get his end of the garage behind him and I’m not sure scampering off twice is helping.

      Also, pretty sure had Hamilton done it the sun would have had a very different headline.

      Last musing, if we admit f1 drivers have special status and have the right to breach the bubble, I’m actually disappointed that the two to have breached it are celibate (one of which actually brings his gf in the bubble) when the fathers and family men stay put (I would not be half as annoyed if Grosjean or Vettel had breached the bubble)
      1. 

         ColdFly (@)
         18th July 2020, 9:57

         the two to have breached it are celibate

         Now that’s breaking news for The Sun ;)
         @tango
         1. 

            Tango (@tango)
            19th July 2020, 21:14

            Yeah sorry about that, i meant “not married” of course :D
8. 

   Dom (@3dom)
   18th July 2020, 9:46

   I’m confused about the Renault protest of Racing Point. So in 2019, the brake ducts weren’t a listed part, they became a listed part in 2020. Am I right in assuming that Racing Point will have gotten some 2019 Mercedes brake ducts in 2019? If so then wouldn’t Racing Point use that as a baseline for their brake duct design for 2020? If Racing Point adapted the design from last year, would that classed as Racing Point’s intellectual property, or would that still be classed as Mercedes’ and thus be illegal?
   1. 

      ColdFly (@)
      18th July 2020, 10:02

      There’s a good article by @dieterrencken on this site which explains it all and discusses the potential 2019/2020 loophole.
      https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/14/analysis-why-racing-point-is-under-protest-by-renault-and-the-loophole-which-could-clear-them/
      @3dom
      1. 

         Dom (@3dom)
         18th July 2020, 12:55

         @coldfly thanks, yeah I’d read the article when it came out, but I’m still a bit confused. Maybe because I’m assuming that Racing Point would have used a similar design last year, given that they were technically allowed to buy them off of Mercedes last year. Does anyone on here know if RPs 2019 brake ducts bear similarity to Mercedes’ 2019 W10s? I suppose if they were significantly different last year (a possibility as RP said their 2019 car was based on Red Bull’s philosophy, so maybe needed a different brake duct design), then that would be more of a reason to protest the brake ducts specifically. Otherwise, I don’t really understand why in particular the brake ducts should be used for the protest.
9. 

   Adam (@rocketpanda)
   18th July 2020, 12:25

   What Steiner has said is exactly why this Racing Point, or whatever loopholes allowed it to be created need to be closed.

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