[raceweekendpromotion]An FIA hearing will take place tomorrow to decide whether an incident which occured between Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton during the Sao Paulo Grand Prix will be reviewed.
Representatives of the Mercedes and Red Bull teams have been summoned to attend a meeting at 5pm local time in Qatar at the Losail International Circuit where this weekend’s race is being held.Mercedes submitted its request to review the incident yesterday, claiming new evidence relevant to the incident had emerged.
The two championship contenders ran wide at Descida do Lago – turn four – in the incident on lap 48 of the Sao Paulo Grand Prix. At the time, stewards made the decision not to investigate it, although FIA Formula 1 race director Michael Masi later admitted they did not have access to forward-facing onboard footage from Verstappen’s car at the time.
The footage from that camera was released yesterday. Mercedes is expected to use this to press for a review of the decision not to investigate. The team manager and up to three witnesses relevant to the incident may also attend, from both Mercedes and Red Bull.
“In accordance with [article] 14 ISC, this hearing is to determine whether the Right of Review exists in this case, i.e. whether ‘a significant and relevant new element is discovered which was unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned.’,” said a statement from the sport’s governing body.
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2021 Sao Paulo Grand Prix
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Ben
17th November 2021, 18:34
If they don’t even review it then their bias is clear. The video and telemetry is clear new evidence and needs to be investigated.
Find him guilty or not guilty after that, but they need to open a review or else they shoot themselves in the foot going forward.
There’s precedent of them opening new investigations based on new onboard footage, so that needs to continue. Why couldn’t they just avoid all this and actually investigate it during or even after the race?! F1 is so poorly run sometimes.
ian dearing
17th November 2021, 20:46
I wouldn’t hold your breath. I’ve just heard the official written response from the FIA to Mercedes now refers to Turn 4 as the Verstappen Straight.
ian dearing
17th November 2021, 20:49
Not so sure. I’ve just heard the official response from the FIA to Mercedes now refers to Turn 4 as the Verstappen Straight.
Arnoud van Houwelingen (@kavu)
18th November 2021, 0:40
I don’t understand Mercedes right to review appeal very well. Hamilton was ultimately unaffected by this incident and if Max had a 5 second penalty during the race, he would have kept Bottas 5 seconds behind him to keep 2nd place safe. Toto says he wants to see the battle resolved on the tarmac and not in the stewards office.
For a right of review you have to come up with new evidence, but are those onboard videos really new evidence? Even without the onboard video you could see that Max did not turned in immediately and that he pushed Lewis out. Apparently Michael Masi didn’t think that was worth a punishment so if that is the case then that won’t change with those onboard videos so you can’t speak of completely new evidence so the right to review should already be rejected for this reason alone.
Johnny
18th November 2021, 4:38
Yes, he did not turn in and pushed Lewis out… The video makes that abundantly clear. So, that is illegal and has been penalized many times this season. Are you saying Max needs a different set of rules applied to him? Are you saying that it’s okay to risk a crash with another driver is acceptable? I mean let’s not even talk about the weaving under braking. With the “tell them I said hi” response. When you break the rules you get a penalty even if that rule was broken by 0.2 mm. :)
Johnny
18th November 2021, 4:40
BTW Lewis was given a 10 second penalty for a similar type of incident. Horner was screaming bloody murder. But when it’s Max doing it, it’s only letting them race. See the problem?
Red Andy (@red-andy)
18th November 2021, 6:27
Hamilton was given a 10 second penalty for “causing a collision.” Whatever your views on the merits of the incident, no collision occurred in Brazil so it cannot be viewed as comparable.
Warheart (@warheart)
18th November 2021, 6:45
@red-andy because Hamilton backed out of the overtake. Had he kept his natural line, there would’ve been a collision. And, as Masi himself has stated before, “it is a long-held convention for motor sport stewards to base their decisions on the incident alone, and not its consequences”.
I think this image (taken from Jolyon Palmer’s analysis posted yesterday on YouTube) speaks for itself: https://imgur.com/0DyCbVW
How can anyone think that going this far off track while defending an overtake and keeping the position is “let them race”? I’m sorry, I just don’t understand it.
ajaya
18th November 2021, 6:50
the no collision occurred, is not thanks to Max.. that was LH using his brains to avoid a conflict..
by your argument, Max could’ve avoided that collision in silverstone by running on to the gravel.. he had that option.. see? that makes no sense does it..
same way, there is now evidence for what was known as a fact.. so that means, investigation and penalty (if needed )is necessary
Warheart (@warheart)
18th November 2021, 6:52
Apparently Michael Masi didn’t think that was worth a punishment
At the very least, we’ll all learn how the stewarding works in F1. Michael Masi doesn’t decide if something is worth a penalty or not. Masi noted the incident and sent it to the stewards for review. The stewards then decided it was not worth even investigating, and Masi duly notified their decision (and had to argue with the teams).
Like or loathe Masi (I’m not exactly his biggest fan), this decision had nothing to do with him, even if his voice is the only one we hear.
RandomMallard (@)
18th November 2021, 7:00
@warheart Yep that correct. Finally someone who understands the (albeit very confusing) difference between the race director and stewards.
anon
18th November 2021, 8:00
@kavu it’s not just the video footage, but also the telemetry data from Max’s car that could be drawn upon – that has been released, but we also know from Masi that the stewards didn’t look at that at the time either.
As for the argument “well, he was unaffected, so they shouldn’t bother investigating” – considering that other drivers have been investigated and penalised for similar incidents even if the driver chasing them did eventually get past them, why should it be any different with Max?
David
18th November 2021, 9:49
They need to clarify the rules as the FIA/Stewards are basically saying rules don’t apply if you’re “racing hard” – say hi!
Ben (@scuderia29)
17th November 2021, 18:38
No thanks to steward intervention, tough racing with 4 races to go. Imagine verstappen is penalised for it after Hamilton went unpunished at Silverstone
David BR (@david-br)
17th November 2021, 19:16
@scuderia29 Wake up. Hamilton was penalized at Silverstone.
David BR (@david-br)
17th November 2021, 19:17
@scuderia29 Hamilton was penalized at Silverstone.
David BR (@david-br)
17th November 2021, 19:18
@david-br Wake up. Hamilton was punished at Silverstone.
David BR (@david-br)
17th November 2021, 19:20
@scuderia29 Hamilton did receive a penality. Apologies if all the other ‘pending’ replies also appear at some time in the distant future :(
The Dolphins
17th November 2021, 19:24
Hamilton received and served a 10 second penalty during the race in Silverstone
Learon
17th November 2021, 19:28
Imagine if Verstappen isn’t penalised for it after Hamilton was penalised 10 seconds in Silverstone.
andrewf1 (@andrewf1)
17th November 2021, 19:32
@scuderia29 Hamilton got a 10 second penalty in Silverstone. Try again.
pSynrg (@psynrg)
17th November 2021, 19:40
@scuderia29 Hamilton received a 10 second penalty during the race.
DeanR
17th November 2021, 19:56
Wasnt “unpunished”. Got 10 sec penalty!!
Yemi Fada
17th November 2021, 20:09
“after Hamilton went unpunished at Silverstone”
Huh! I beg your pardon?
You must have been watching a different Silverstone Grand Prix from the multiverse
sanches (@petax)
17th November 2021, 20:18
Um Ben,
Hamilton got a ten second penalty at Silverstone, check your memory old chap.
mystic one (@mysticus)
17th November 2021, 20:59
There are 3 races left, every point counts, thats why red bull are making much more noise to get mercedes distracted banned or penalized in every sneeze… i think it is time they get same due treatment.
ham was penalized and yet max isnt and blatantly saying nothing to investigate?
One thing is let them race, other is dont decide/effect wdc with penalties… how is not penalizing an punishable event is not gonna effect wdc? extremely illogical! max gained a lasting advantage and could also cause a serious accident but lewis avoided it max did try to cause it! every scenario about that move involves max having the advantage… crash dnf both he keeps point advantage, force ham off, keep position and maybe finish ahead (lewis finished ahead anyway is not excuse or right way to argue about it!!!!) by not getting a penalty at all, he kept extra 3 points, if he was given 10 sec penalty maybe perez would not really pit himself? maybe he would drop behind perez? and loose further points? how is this not effecting race result is not effecting race result? it is only benefiting the guilty driver and giving all sort of wrong messages about him getting away with it while keeping the points too.
neti1
17th November 2021, 21:25
“Hamilton went unpunished at Silverstone”
Please don’t post falsehoods. Lewis received a 10 second stop penalty at Silverstone, which is equivalent to a 30 second time penalty.
Esploratore (@esploratore1)
17th November 2021, 21:37
That’s the stop and go… he got a 10 sec time penalty which is 1\3 of a stop and go, and furthermore it was irrelevant to the result, he went unpunished.
RandomMallard (@)
17th November 2021, 21:56
@esploratore1 Hamilton was punished for Silverstone, but he overcame that punishment and won the race. Nothing wrong with that. I could concede a penalty in a football game and the opposition could score but if I then score a hat-trick at the other end we could still win.
Similarly, Verstappen’s 3 place grid penalty for Russia was essentially nullified by his engine penalty that Red Bull were expecting to take at some point in the season anyway.
tielemst
17th November 2021, 22:37
According to that logic he wasn’t punished for a faulty DRS in Brazil either then, because he won that race too.
Fred Fedurch
17th November 2021, 22:54
Finally, some sense on here.
David BR (@david-br)
18th November 2021, 0:03
@esploratore1 So there are penalties and punishments. It’s all a bit religiously medieval, the ‘punishment’ bit…
mystic one (@mysticus)
18th November 2021, 0:39
Some people are really funny. It is almost like football, u get a penalty and goalkeeper saves it, u go back and complain it doesn’t count because goal is not achieved, so penalty is irrelevant as punishment is not fulfilled…
I really hope Mercedes does not back down, as it would really legitimize max move and disrespect everyone who received a penalty in exact same situation if not much less intent. Ham has been bumped off the road far too many times by max and not penalised for it is already damaging the image of f1.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:25
@esploratore1 Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Ben (@scuderia29)
18th November 2021, 6:51
Well this is awkward..
nandy
18th November 2021, 8:07
To the clones, yes hambo was not penalised for Silverstone. Ten second slap on the wrist in the dominant car when you’ve knocked your only competitor out isn’t even worth mentioning.
If you want to punish Max for Brazil with a small penalty then hambo should have been given a race ban at the minimum
MacLeod (@macleod)
18th November 2021, 8:10
I think you mean Lewis wasn’t correct penaultized causing a collision. He should have a stop and go for the punishment because Max was send into the barriers (with total damage) The problem is the rules doesn’t factor these little but very important things.
Very strange there wasn’t any penaulties so why are they talking about revising that i thought you could only ask for revising on penaulties.
Mark (@blueruck)
17th November 2021, 18:38
My guess they will look at the incident – the video is compelling enough.
The outcome? Tough one, either nothing or a 3 place grid drop, which at that point RB will likely fit a new engine.
neti1
17th November 2021, 21:27
I’m guessing nothing. I cannot recall Masi ever admitting to being wrong about something, so my guess is he will not be willing to change the decision, because that would amount to and admission of fault.
Hope I’m wrong though – MV has been getting away with these sort of dangerous, unsportsmanlike tactics for far too long.
Danny
17th November 2021, 23:29
Time penalty applied to them at the next grand prix. It’s the only answer
Honest John
17th November 2021, 18:41
It doesn’t matter. The season is over. Mercedes is going to put a new engine in every race. But if the engine makes that much difference, then who won the last six WC? The engine, or the driver? Well played, Mercedes.
Allsop
17th November 2021, 19:38
Maybe well played but poor for the sport. If Mercedes Wins again….I will find an other sport to watch, and a lot with me. LH becomes boring and yes he can drive but that car does 75% of the job. I would like to see JR in this car and see what he does ict Lewis almighty. An other speech would also be appreciated. Every week the same story: greatest crowd ever, fans here ( wherever he is) are amazing…bla bla. Sounds really fake to me. Sorry, thats just how I feel.
Carl Burger
18th November 2021, 6:57
If Lewis wins this year then you wont see George Russel in the car next year because you wont be watching F1?
pSynrg (@psynrg)
17th November 2021, 19:41
and Max Verstappen is pedalling the RB ala Flintstones?
Kribana (@krichelle)
17th November 2021, 19:46
WHAHAHAHHAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ben (@scuderia29)
17th November 2021, 20:10
If I had a penny for every time someone said “the season is over” this year.. Then I could buy Haas
David (@davidjwest)
17th November 2021, 20:39
Haas isn’t worth THAT much!
Ruben
17th November 2021, 23:33
And if I would get a penny for each article on this matter I could buy Hamilton a new rear wing and Michael Masi some new glasses.
lexusreliability?
17th November 2021, 22:30
@Honest John
F1 has always been about the car (and driver). You only waking up to this fact now? I think it has to be asked how long you have actually been watching F1. You will struggle to find a driver who won the championship without a constructors winning car.
nickthegreek (@nickthegreek)
18th November 2021, 8:50
incidentally, the last one who did it is Lewis!!
Wayne
18th November 2021, 5:29
It will be lewis as driver and Mercedes as constructor. Its the way of f1. Or wait verstappen can jump on a rock and. Make it go let alone win hey such is the talent of everyone except Lewis.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:28
Remember 2019 when Ferrari had the best engine? But their drivers kept crashing and fighting over team orders? There is really a lot more to it than just the engine.
Besides the only times that Hamilton got near enough to Verstappen was when Verstappen made big mistakes in the Senna S (ie falling for HAmilton’s dummy)
MacLeod (@macleod)
18th November 2021, 8:13
That is what i am afraid off too if the engine is so strong and the new engine penaulty is so little. I think Engines should be incluced in the budget soon.
Michael
17th November 2021, 19:10
Its a tricky one. I don’t really see why footage was so lacking on this one. Normally the race director would ask Red Bull to give the place to Hamilton within a few laps or risk investigation.
With the no message like this it has put Verstappen at risk of losing second place. I don’t think he was driving flat out to keep 5 seconds ahead of Bottas but maybe he was and didn’t have the pace at that stage. However if he just had to give the place over to Hamilton 2nd place would have been guaranteed.
mrfill (@mrfill)
17th November 2021, 19:23
I think the best outcome would be if the stewards decide to lock Horner and Woolf in a soundproof room until next Monday.
Neil (@neilosjames)
17th November 2021, 21:41
That would be bliss. If they could make it Monday 13th of December, I’d never complain about a stewards’ decision again.
RandomMallard (@)
17th November 2021, 21:58
@mrfill and @neilosjames Yep. Both of them. Add Marko, Jonathan Wheatley and Ron Meadows as well please.
Fab
18th November 2021, 11:09
Mwahahaha just excellent 😁😁
You rock man ! Lmao 😁
Davethechicken
17th November 2021, 19:27
Max will lose a lot of kudos with RBR if this attracts a penalty that ultimately loses the WDC or WCC. There was absolutely no need for it, nor the weaving that gave him a black and white flag for unsporting to conduct. Either way these are actions he will be remembered for in the years to come.
JC
17th November 2021, 21:28
Horner loved it, Helmut too. They’re all cut from the same cloth.
Ninjenius
17th November 2021, 19:32
The one thing that MUST come out of this at the very least is clarification.
EITHER the stewards deem that this new evidence adds nothing to the case, and that Max’s role in the incident remains acceptable, then they will need to provide clarity as to:
– Why this type of incident does not warrant an investigation or penalty.
– How this type of incident differs from other similar incidents for which drivers have been penalised.
OR if the use of new evidence leads the stewards to change their ruling and impose a penalty, then they must explain:
– Why this new evidence is the game-changer.
– Why they originally chose to not investigate in the first place despite knowing that key evidence which was not available at the time would eventually become available to them after the race.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:32
The sort of already said so though. No contact no incident. So when Hamilton chooses not to crash then Verstappen gets away with it. When Verstappen turns in extra sharp in Silverstone (you can see him do this from the on-board) and goes for the collision then Hamilton gets the penalty.
Kevin C (@kev-f1)
18th November 2021, 11:04
That was my take on Silverstone – Max was fully aware of where Lewis was, yet still turns further right causing the incident, because Lewis is only half alongside the INSIDE of Max, the crash happens and Lewis gets the 10 second penalty. In Sau Paolo (and in other Races!!) Lewis steers to avoid the collision with Max, gets disadvantaged and Max goes without penalty. While the stewards fail to reprimand Max for his driving “style” he’ll keep doing it until someone gets seriously injured… And before I get the expected reply’s from the Lewis haters – I do think that Max is a very good driver (as with Lewis) that in combination with his car consistently outperforms his team mate in the same equipment.
pSynrg (@psynrg)
17th November 2021, 19:45
I do believe Mercedes just putting new engines in with Lewis overcoming the resulting penalty, makes a mockery of the intent of the rule.
Why don’t budget caps come into play? These engines are not cheap.
RandomMallard (@)
17th November 2021, 21:59
@psynrg You’ve answered your own question there is a way. The engines are so expensive that trying to budget cap them would be almost impossible. There’s a limit on how much manufacturers can charge customers for engines, but I don’t think a cap on how much manufacturers can spend on them
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:43
@psynrg It’s funny (or rather depressing) how many people simply lap up the nonsensical propaganda coming out of Marko and Horner’s mouths as if actually holds any truth at all. Or perhaps they just don’t understand poor corner exits onto a straight have an effect on straight line speed.
Just check the maximum speeds as posted by the FIA for each session. Hamilton is not fastest. In fact Gasly is faster than Hamilton through most of the speed traps.
Verstappen is near the bottom through most speed traps, but that’s his own choice to go for maximum downforce.
While Hamilton would have his car set up for overtaking so indeed it should have a higher straight line speed.
As Ferrari commented, then engine will have an effect, but it’s not the reason why Hamilton was doing so well.
Matthijs (@matthijs)
18th November 2021, 9:25
@f1osaurus Are you suggesting that the new engine didn’t give Hamilton a straight line advantage at Brazil? Mercedes played it very well in Brazil, the new engine was more an advantage than the 5 place grid drop was a disadvantage. I don’t understand why you get upset when people @psynrg are questioning the engine rules. Not every criticism towards the engine rules is criticism towards Mercedes or Hamilton, they played by the rules and exploited the opportunity perfectly. Second, a superior engine doesn’t guarantee you the win. Hamilton was voted almost 100 percent DOTW on this site and rightfully so. But it is only fair to question the engine rule when fitting a new engine, that is obviously (?) superior in performance, only costs you 5 places.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 11:25
@matthijs I’m suggesting:
Imre (@f1mre)
17th November 2021, 19:53
The problem is that by not making a proper decision during the race they are now going to punish him more. (either with a 5-10 second penalty demoting him to 3rd or a grid drop)
I hope they leave their decision as is but I’ve had enough of Hamilton winning it all so I am biased.
Roper
18th November 2021, 0:44
Horner put this in play by not instructing Max to give up the position. The could have walked away from Sao Paulo safe in the knowledge they were 14 points ahead – and only need one win from three to secure the WDC as long as Max comes in 2nd in the other two. Now, there’s a chance they might get a points penalty – the worst of all outcomes.
sanches (@petax)
17th November 2021, 20:20
It is motor racing, the motor wins!
Becken Lima (@becken-lima)
17th November 2021, 22:30
I do not support any kind of penalty on Max after the race that could impact the championship. But I can see where lies Mercedes tactics: they foresee that their car could be the fastest one at this critique moment of the championship.
So they´re only trying make FIA over aware of Max´s moves on the upcoming fights with Lewis.
It’s smart.
Effwon (@effwon)
17th November 2021, 22:48
I don’t want to blow your mind, but perhaps their insanely clever plan is to get the FIA to reconsider their hasty decision to completely dismiss Verstappen’s overtake-denying foray several metres deep into the runoff in Sao Paolo, especially seeing as the decision was made without the most important angle available to them, and with there being multiple examples of moves of this type resulting in penalties this season.
Boudi
17th November 2021, 23:06
I don’t want to blow your mind too, but Mercedes tactics are really simple, every point counts and this is a slam dunk penalty so why not ask for review? This is a multi million dollars business behind the doors. Sometimes you don’t need to overthink since the facts are not hidden somehwere.
Jim from US (@jimfromus)
18th November 2021, 2:00
Mercedes had no choice but to request an investigation after Red Bull created a mini-documentary about how drivers missing the apex of a corner are violating rules and endangering other drivers. This incident is exactly the same as Silverstone except Max missed the apex by more, wasn’t penalized, but Hamilton received 10 second penalty and stayed on the track.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:46
@jimfromus Yeah exactly. After the invention of a new directive that the overtaker must hit the apex (so they could penalize Hamilton even while agreeing that he had the racing line), they need to be consistent and apply it to other drivers as well.
MacLeod (@macleod)
18th November 2021, 8:20
Lewis didn’t stay on his line otherwise he wouldn’t hit Max so hard that his wheelrim broke. The problem is Lewis hit Max because he lost his traction and went wide (what Lewis said )
Wayne
18th November 2021, 5:31
Karma is a wonderful thing….
Stash (@stash)
18th November 2021, 5:40
Helps to have a moving wall next to you to act as a barrier to help you stay on track. Lewis was too hot into that corner and missed the apex completely. That’s ok? Both Max and Lewis are using under handed tactics to win. It’s what a lot of racing drivers do. Pushing the limits of the rules to stay ahead? I’m shocked! Breaking those rules to win at the risk of taking a penalty? No way! Lewis was guilty in Silverstone. Max is guilty in this situation. Lewis received a penalty that had no effect on the outcome of the race. Hence no punishment what so ever. Give Max a time penalty but make sure it has effect on the outcome. Sorted. These penalty decisions can not be made way after the fact in my opinion. Terrible! Driving penalties? At the race. During the race. Or directly afterwards. Same day. Car regulation compliance? Sure some evidence may come to light after the fact. Driving incidences? Well the footage is there. They have it available. Some how the FIA did not have cockpit view? How is it possible that the FIA did not have this footage? How? If they already had it then how is it new evidence?
Rick (@wickedwicktheweird)
18th November 2021, 5:58
I can’t believe that there are so many people calling for a penalty in retrospect. No harm was done, it didn’t affect the outcome of the race and the drivers are cool with it. This is like winning a football match with 6-0 and complaining about not getting a free kick in the first half. If you want the championship to be decided on the stewards table than you are not a fan of the sport. It would be such an anticlimax after an amazing battle.
nandy
18th November 2021, 7:30
Merc are dirty with no respect for sportsmanship. All they care about is winning at all costs.
F1oSaurus (@)
18th November 2021, 7:53
@wickedwicktheweird What do you mean no harm was done? Hamilton as ahead and he was driven off track.
It’s the principle that Verstappen’s dirty driving needs to be penalized. He drives Bottas off after the start. You could sort of allow for that since he was ahead of Bottas, but Verstappen was driving away from the racing line to drive Bottas off the road. Of course drivers need to be allowed to have the racing line when they are ahead, but not further than than that.
They applied this to Alonso purposefully pushing Raikkonen off track (well away from the racing line) and allowing Raikkonen to overtake off the track consequently. They penalized Rosberg for driving Verstappen off in Hockenheim 2016. Rosberg would have gotten past anyway, so why penalize him?
They want the driver to race fairly but so far Verstappen always choses to go for the “we crash or you let me get/stay ahead” bullying. It’s despicable and the exact opposite of let them race. There is no racing when one driver keeps going for the crash if they are side by side.
And yes Verstappen was the one who went for that crash in Silverstone by turning in with a car right next to him. Although he probably assumed that Hamilton had backed out instead of staying on the racing line which he owned.
Rick (@wickedwicktheweird)
18th November 2021, 8:33
With no harm was done I mean that Hamilton was still able to win the race with an undamaged car. It didn’t affect the outcome. About Silverstone, you can’t have it both ways man. By your logic Max was probably at fault as well in Hungary 😂
Boudi
18th November 2021, 9:45
So are you blaming them for practicing their rights? No harm done? Really? Why not take their chance and grant him a 3 place grid penalty for this race? This would be beneficial for them. And is only Hamilton in the team? Bottas ended the race 3 seconds behind VER, that makes him 2nd if VER gets a 5 seconds penalty which i’m not in favor of since he was managing his pace, but keeping him unpunished for this move is just WRONG. I’m hoping he gets 3 place grid penalty to stop these bomb diving tactics, hit me or get off the road sort of. This way Mercedes can manage the race hopefully. Main thing is, don’t ever blame someone for practicing his rights.
Rick (@wickedwicktheweird)
18th November 2021, 10:15
If they punished him immediately, or had they stated that the incident was going to be investigated after the race it would have been fine by me. It could have gone either way, similar incidents have gone by both punished and unpunished. Both outcomes would have been fine by me. What is not fine is that they stated that there was not going to be a penalty. Red Bull reacted accordingly, dropping back massively the final laps. They wouldn’t have done that with the threat of a penalty over their heads. Applying the penalty now would have a much more profound effect on the championship and that’s my problem. I want championships to be earned on the track, not by (faulty) decisions of the stewards.
nandy
18th November 2021, 7:29
Racing incident, it can’t be anything more.
Or do we want to dreg up all the times princess Hambo had driven people off the track in the name of an overtake? Take the stand Nico…
kpcart
18th November 2021, 11:38
Ok, bring up the make believe moments then. ‘m not a Hamilton fan, but he has been one of the cleanest drivers overall in the last 20 years. He has never done anything like what Verstappen did. His moves on Rosberg in season ending loss were fair play compared to this. This is Schumacher 2006 Monaco level. Why are you calling him hambo? Like hobo? Racist connotations? You should be banned from this forum.
nandy
19th November 2021, 8:24
What the hell? How did you go from a silly nickname to racism? Certainly shows where your triggered mind is at!
powersteer (@powersteer)
18th November 2021, 8:08
Hey everyone, you know it’s a waste of your time arguing on the internet right?
If you are biased, just carry on, you can’t change the mind of a logical person
If you are unbiased, just carry on, you can’t change the mind of an illogical person
As for FIA, well, your name is already trashed. We know you will not dish out a punishment already, so good riddance, good luck to your fan base if you want to challenge Soccer.
Rick (@wickedwicktheweird)
18th November 2021, 8:37
That is way to sensible 😃.
About football, there is one thing that F1 fans could learn from football fans and that is the ability to accept a (bad) decision by the ref.
bogolo moremong (@bogolo)
18th November 2021, 8:47
Dont ruin a good rant.
Davey
18th November 2021, 8:58
Max didn’t win, that’s it.
Andy (@andyfromsandy)
18th November 2021, 9:48
It has been mentioned this week that Charles was given a penalty after a GP finished that affected the finishing positions.
Initially the stewards deemed no investigation but I don’t if during the race they changed their minds or after the race they decided they would investigate.
Kpcart
18th November 2021, 11:31
It was a racing incident, should have been no penalties in Silverstone. But yet Hamilton got a 10 second penalty. by the way, Red Bull has been consistently quicker than Mercedes this year, so is the dominant car
Kpcart
18th November 2021, 11:32
That was to an earlier post above, my new phone doesn’t reply to comments some times, just comments as new comment
Davey
19th November 2021, 15:04
This and Silverstone and Imola and Monza – all racing incidents. Strongly yes.
Davey
19th November 2021, 15:05
Wait, no. Brazil isn’t. The case was closed right after Hamilton won.
Jay (@slightlycrusty)
18th November 2021, 12:18
Here’s the thing: Formula One has rules to govern what’s acceptable racing, if you break the rules you are penalised (in theory). In Mexico the FIA issued a statement saying that crowding off track is “strictly prohibited”. In Brazil the stewards witnessed a slam dunk example of just that and decided: “no investigation necessary”.
If you have rules enforce them, it’s supposed to be a sport, not Wacky Races. If people want the latter, then at least be honest and demand that the FIA shreds its rulebook, then all drivers will know where they stand.