2022 Italian Grand Prix grid

24 comments on “2022 Italian Grand Prix grid”

1. 

   Rudy
   10th September 2022, 18:15

   Brave to post it before the official one is published. I applied it using the FIA “Application of grid penalties” document from March 2020, and I’m getting something different (but not necessarily correct – it all depends in which order the penalties are applied here).
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   David
   10th September 2022, 18:16

   This order of operations is confusing the heck out of me. Does anyone know what it is? Sky sports guys were saying Ver would be 4th. And he is at the top of the list, but not penalized first.
   Please help!!
   1. 

      Markp
      10th September 2022, 18:22

      Biggest penalties 1st. Ensures people with lesser penalties do not benefit due to other peoples penalties. Where possible you should drop the same amount of places as per your penalty. Verstappen qualified 2nd, 5 place penalty starts him 7th.
   2. 

      Imre (@f1mre)
      10th September 2022, 18:25

      F1 TV commentators were also saying Verstappen would start 4th.
   3. 

      Tommy Scragend
      10th September 2022, 20:13

      And he is at the top of the list, but not penalized first.

      The penalties are applied in the order that they were incurred, not based on the order the drivers finished in qualifying.

      I don’t know where Verstappen being fourth on the grid came from. Fourth row, yes, not fourth place.
      1. 

         David
         10th September 2022, 20:27

         If Ver is penalized first, then Sai, Per and Ham are penalized then Ver drops to 7th and back up to 4th.

         Maybe racefans can produce an article confirming the order of operations as well as the order of penalties incurred this weekend? :)
3. 

   hahostolze (@hahostolze)
   10th September 2022, 18:22

   This doesn’t make any sense. Verstappen qualified second. Ricciardo qualified eighth. Gasly qualified ninth. Verstappen has a five place grid penalty. Verstappen starts behind Ricciardo and Gasly.
   How?
   1. 

      Jere (@jerejj)
      10th September 2022, 18:24

      @hahostolze 2+5 = 7
   2. 

      roadrunner (@roadrunner)
      10th September 2022, 18:24

      They changed the rules some years ago. You have to take the full penalty regardless of other cars taking penalties as well.
   3. 

      OmarR
      10th September 2022, 18:26

      @hahostolze I’m also struggling. But seems that the only way to effectively make him start seventh is by moving the others to the front. Or else he would start from the seventh slot, but with some empty slots in front of him.
   4. 

      Tommy Scragend
      10th September 2022, 20:15

      Penalties are applied in the order that they are incurred. Sainz, Perez, Hamilton had their penalties applied before Verstappen. That moved Ricciardo and Gasly to fifth and sixth, which is how Verstappen ends up behind them.
4. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   10th September 2022, 18:23

   Shouldn’t Ocon start 13th & Perez 14th, given Ocon got only 5 & Perez 10 positions?
   1. 

      Cynic (@callmeacynic)
      10th September 2022, 19:42

      I think it’s calculated like this:

      Drivers required to start from the back are sent to the back but start in the order they qualified: SAI, HAM, TSU. This is irrespective of any other penalities.

      Then, the slots that penalised drivers start in are calculated and are pencilled in (but not confirmed at this stage)

      7. VER
      14. PER
      16. OCO
      27. BOT
      34. MAG
      35. MSC

      Anyone at this point who is not penalised is then shuffled forward into the available grid slots:

      1. LEC
      2. RUS
      3. NOR
      4. RIC
      5. GAS
      6. ALO

      8. DEV
      9. ZHO
      10. LAT
      11. VET
      12. STR

      Now the penalised drivers are slotted back in, and moved forward in cases where there would otherwise be a gap on the grid:

      7. VER
      13. PER
      14. OCO
      15. BOT
      16. MAG
      17. MSC
      1. 

         Cynic (@callmeacynic)
         10th September 2022, 19:46

         Correction: The drivers starting from the back are actually only taken out of the equation after other grid penalties are calculated.
         1. 

            Cynic (@callmeacynic)
            10th September 2022, 19:59

            Double correction, (or clarification): the back of the grid group are taken out of the equation from the beginning, but no shuffling forward of the grid occurs until the other penalities are calculated as well.
            1. 

               jff
               10th September 2022, 20:47

               Thank you for explaining.
               It’s pretty clear. Not sure why the TV guys could not sort this out at the time.

               What happens if two drivers with penalties end up in the same spot?
               e.g. if Perez 4+10 would end up with Ocon if Ocon qualified 9th (9+5).
5. 

   ttongsul (@ccpbioweapon)
   10th September 2022, 18:42

   generic ‘back of grid penalty’ is ridiculous for drivers like Lewis when he quali 5th but behind people who got knocked out in Q1 and got a 15 place penalty, why not just give an actual number like 20 or 30 place penalty so you can calculate who starts at the back when grid place penalties are applied?

   More clownish stewarding from the FIA
6. 

   Jehannes (@jehannes)
   10th September 2022, 19:33

   The backgrid- starters should not have gone past Q3 or go into qualifying. easier to under stand and a more fair Q
   1. 

      jff
      10th September 2022, 20:49

      Fairer indeed, but not good for the show.
7. 

   Bullfrog (@bullfrog)
   10th September 2022, 21:18

   “No time” must be the fastest time ever for 6th on the grid.
8. 

   Electroball76
   10th September 2022, 21:26

   The pinnacle of algebra
9. 

   Qeki (@qeki)
   10th September 2022, 22:15

   F1 doing here a wonderfull favor by letting everyone guess where everybody starts….
10. 

    JJ
    11th September 2022, 4:21

    Keith Collantine, This starting grid is totaly wrong from 4th downards, you scored 3 out of 20… that’s amazing since it was the first “starting grid” that came up at google. Maybe next time you can score 5 out of 20, we’ll see
    1. 

       Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine)
       11th September 2022, 7:47

       At the time of writing the grid order above is unchanged from what we originally published at 6:11pm on Saturday and matches the FIA’s provisional starting order which was issued at 7:45pm.

       Of course if there are further changes, e.g. due to new penalties, the above will be revised, but it is correct based on current information and has been since it was published.

       Here’s an explanation of how the starting order was decided.

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