Suzuka points confusion didn’t take shine off title win – Verstappen

20 comments on “Suzuka points confusion didn’t take shine off title win – Verstappen”

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   Forrest Gump (@forrestgump)
   14th December 2022, 1:25

   “The way doesn’t matter. My father and I have always said that to each other: it doesn’t matter how you win, as long as you win.” kind of sums it all up, doesn’t it…
   1. 

      Ucat33 (@ucat33)
      14th December 2022, 3:11

      Sure does. This kid really needs to stop talking.
      1. 

         Mayrton
         14th December 2022, 7:42

         Good advise, after all he is not the world champion but we are.. oh wait..
         1. 

            Ucat33 (@ucat33)
            14th December 2022, 14:25

            That makes him perfect then. Heaven forbid someone try to get better in other aspects of their lives. I guess if he doesn’t want to be loved by all, then he shouldn’t care what he says. But when you say stuff like “Win at all costs”, you shouldn’t be surprised when people accuse you of cheating or being dirty. I am a fan – no doubt he is a generational talent – never questioned that. But, he would be much easier to root for if there was some “do it the right way” about him. I am not accusing him of cheating either – I just wish he would stop saying things that relight the “Max is a cheater” flame.
            1. 

               Jose Silva
               14th December 2022, 19:38

               My suggestion is that you just delight yourself with the driving and let the shenanigans go, just as you did with Schumacher and Senna.
      2. 

         Moi
         14th December 2022, 12:41

         Yes, honesty and straightforwardness are no longer virtues, all must bow to the media-training and virtue-signalling ways of today
   2. 

      S
      14th December 2022, 5:24

      Something wrong with the desire to win? They both are/were professional sporting competitors, after all.
      The record books only show the results, so in that sense that is all that’s important.

      Not many other professional athletes in the running for humanity awards based solely on their on-field performance either…

      Serious question – who’d want to see F1 if every competitor were polite and patient, to the point of lacking in the desire for success?
      “After you” – “No, after you” – “No, really, you first” – “It’s okay, I had my turn 3 races ago…”

      I’d take a grid full of drivers with Verstappen’s attitude to racing over a bunch of people who lack the desire to push that little bit more or take that extra risk to achieve a better result any day.
      Nobody looks back fondly on the days that someone didn’t try for the overtake, or was content to conserve to finish 3rd…
      1. 

         Diez Cilindros (@diezcilindros)
         14th December 2022, 7:21

         Nobody is talking about not going for a gap, or settling for a P3. The topic is ‘no matter how you win’, and this is completely contrary to the basic notions of sport. Of course it does matter how you win. Winning by cheating, for instance, has nothing to do with ‘sport’.

         And a bit of disclaimer: Max has won his second title on full merit (and it wasn’t he, but Masi who broke the rules on the first one), no cheating on his side, I’m JUST talking about the caption, the ways of winning and the sport.

         PS: sorry for typos and poor English.
         1. 

            MacLeod (@macleod)
            14th December 2022, 7:47

            I think he won both titles on merit even if you drop the last race he was still ahead…

            In F1 winning is the most importance that was already so in the sixties when i was around the pit area. So if Max said it’s not how you win but that you win that was it didn’t matter if you got full points and win there or the race after as in history he did just win the WC.
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            S
            14th December 2022, 8:28

            Winning by cheating, for instance, has nothing to do with ‘sport’.

            If you are found to be cheating, there is a penalty.
            Whether that penalty costs the win or not is a separate matter.

            Exactly how you or I define cheating may differ from how the FIA define it – but ultimately, their opinion is the only one that matters in declaring a winner.
   3. 

      petebaldwin (@)
      14th December 2022, 9:30

      Yep – it puts him in the same category as the other greats of F1 who all had the same attitude.
   4. 

      oweng (@oweng)
      14th December 2022, 9:30

      It’s an interesting quote from a psycological point of view. As are the replies it provokes. For some, how you win is important, you can be ruthless but fair for example and still be a winner. For others, just winning is all that matters.
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         petebaldwin (@)
         14th December 2022, 12:45

         @oweng – There was an interesting discussion (can’t remember where) about this exact topic but related to football. The England national team (driven by the press and fans) is obsessed about how they win. Play badly but get a result and everyone bangs on about how bad they were. Play well and lose and they’re heroes who fought hard but were unlucky.

         Teams like Argentina and France don’t care how they perform because all that matters is winning. Lots of nations couldn’t care less if a dive wins a crucial penalty that settles the match – in fact, I’d say most nations don’t care. Some nations do care though and whilst it’s very honourable, they haven’t won an awful lot…..

         If you look at the most successful drivers in F1, most (if not all) have had very dodgy moments where they clearly didn’t care about the rules, their team, their competitors or anything else other than winning.
   5. 

      Short Circuit (@jjohn)
      14th December 2022, 11:07

      @forrestgump Winning isn’t everything it’s the only thing!

      Attributed to a couple of US football coaches depending how far you want to go back. Russell or Sanders.
   6. 

      Qeki (@qeki)
      14th December 2022, 14:24

      I don’t think Michael had anything to do with that ;)
      In the end Jos was his good friend
   7. 

      tielemst
      15th December 2022, 9:03

      I think it’s kind of awesome that a reply by Verstappen concerning the point rules on shorter race distances gets twisted into a personality issue of him. Maybe he just should have answered with “I’m so happy, the fans here are all amazing. I love coming here”.
2. 

   Craig
   14th December 2022, 8:04

   It seemed rather appropriate the title was ‘settled’ in a confusing, unsatisfying manner after F3 and F2.
3. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   14th December 2022, 11:20

   Mclaren certainly trusts that Seidl won’t do anything as they didn’t try & force a Gardening Leave, & the same with Sauber concerning Fred’s move without a waiting period.
4. 

   Jose Silva
   14th December 2022, 19:39

   So many people demanding Verstappen to be politically correct.
5. 

   Roberto Fratelli (@rfratelli)
   15th December 2022, 14:48

   I don’t blame Verstappen, his comments are justified because he’s a racer.

   But for the rest of us watching at home, nobody had a %#^$% idea that those final laps at Suzuka were defining the championship. It was just ridiculous.

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