2023 Australian Grand Prix race result and championship points

37 comments on “2023 Australian Grand Prix race result and championship points”

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   Jere (@jerejj)
   2nd April 2023, 8:45

   The only necessary change is to never again red flag races for entertainment, but only ever for absolute necessity that’s unmanageable under SC & VSC.
   Ridiculous choice with 4-5 laps left that ultimately backfired with the race still finishing under neutralization & lots of avoidable damage over mere two laps.
   1. 

      Alex (@)
      2nd April 2023, 8:52

      100% agree. Every restart carries a level of risk. It’s normal to lose a couple of cars at the start of a race, and drivers acknowledge that as part of the danger of the sport, but throwing in extra restarts to create uncertainty is reckless.

      Race management got lucky with the first one and unlucky with the second, but it’s the drivers who paid the price. This could be the defining moment of Alpine’s season (it should have been in a good way!) — if the same thing had happened to a famous driver like Verstappen or Hamilton, you’d never hear the end of it.
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         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         2nd April 2023, 23:16

         It happened to a famous driver: alonso! He just got lucky that they chose to take the order before the restart.
   2. 

      Adrian Hancox (@ahxshades)
      2nd April 2023, 14:37

      But that would mean deviating from the script wouldn’t it?
   3. 

      Simon
      2nd April 2023, 15:45

      @jerejj 3 minutes. Must be some kind of record!
2. 

   Proesterchen (@proesterchen)
   2nd April 2023, 8:45

   Fernando’s politicking to have the 3rd DRS zone removed for last year’s Grand Prix successfully screwed everyone out of a better race.
   1. 

      Hosford90
      2nd April 2023, 10:50

      How are you always unfailingly able to find and zero in on the least relevant or topical point or take-out on absolutely every single issue and article on this site?
   2. 

      Esploratore (@esploratore1)
      2nd April 2023, 23:17

      I don’t understand, I heard there were 4 drs zones this year.
3. 

   Robert (@rob8k)
   2nd April 2023, 8:47

   Why was Sainz given that 5s penalty? I know he caused a collision but I though they were supposed to be more lenient on start/restart procedures plus Alonso was given the position back.
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      Alex (@)
      2nd April 2023, 8:54

      If the same incident had happened in lap 1, I think it would have been a 5-second penalty as well and been seen as fair. He’d have been able to serve it in the race and have a chance to make up for it. And if it’s fair on lap 1, it’s fair on lap 56.

      The more pertinent question is why they had a ‘just for kicks’ restart on lap 56.
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         Robert (@rob8k)
         2nd April 2023, 8:59

         I mean, on lap 1 Alonso would have been hindered for the entire race and penalty could have been justified. In this case, Alonso got the position back so the collision didn’t really affect anyone so I’m still amazed they went with the time penalty.
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            neiana
            2nd April 2023, 9:04

            It also caused both pinks to crash, Perez to drop to 10th and other drama that could not be rectified by race result. He took an hour away from millions, he can give us 5 seconds!

            Okay, a bit facetious at the end…
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               Robert (@rob8k)
               2nd April 2023, 9:05

               I will need to see it again but I don’t believe Sainz/Alonso collision contributed to the Alpine collision or Perez going off.
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               Alex (@)
               2nd April 2023, 9:05

               While it’s true that was the consequence of the crash, I think race management bears more responsibility than Sainz
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               neiana
               2nd April 2023, 9:11

               @smallvizier that is why we got into this red flag mess in the first place. If responsibility were put at driver’s feet, the idea of red flags for safety would be far less usable.

               @rob8k f1tv won’t let me watch past the 2 hour mark, so I can’t rewatch it myself.
         2. 

            Michael
            2nd April 2023, 9:10

            It’s not about Alonso it’s a penalty for Sainz’s actions. The fact a red flag came out rather than safety car or yellow flag does not mean Sainz’s penalty should be more or less.

            Sargent should also be penalised even though it didn’t cost de Vries any points.
   2. 

      Michael
      2nd April 2023, 8:55

      It may have been lenient at 5s. If he’d done that during the race he may have got a harsher penalty. The fact he had to serve it under safety car finish while unlucky was kind of his fault. Although Alonso got his place back the incident contributed to Gasly and Ocons crash who DNFed as a result.
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         Robert (@rob8k)
         2nd April 2023, 8:57

         I don’t agree that the collision contributed to any other incident. Gasly was already having his own issues before Sainz collided with Alonso.
   3. 

      MichaelN
      2nd April 2023, 15:51

      @rob8k Because he’s driving for Ferrari. Did any of the other clashes at that farcical restart result in a penalty? No? Didn’t think so either.
4. 

   Oople
   2nd April 2023, 8:55

   The fact McLaren is now 5th and ahead of the Alpines after this race
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      David (@nvherman)
      2nd April 2023, 8:57

      How it should be based on the relative quality of their drivers.
      Everyone knew that Ocon and Gasly world end in tears
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         Alex (@)
         2nd April 2023, 9:04

         Ocon and Gasly drove great races today – I’d say Gasly was level with (a hair better than?) Norris, and Ocon was comfortably better than Piastri.

         It’s just bad luck that in trying to avoid the Sainz/Alonso collision and rejoin the track, Gasly’s speed difference to the pack caused an accident. You can’t watch their unlucky collision in the aftermath today and say it’s anything to do with the driver pairing or driver rivalry.
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            bogaaaa (@nosehair)
            2nd April 2023, 9:21

            Oscar’s 3rd race no mistakes in a race of chaos? Very harsh comment Alex
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            David (@nvherman)
            2nd April 2023, 12:41

            @smallvizier oh, I do totally agree that today’s collision could not really be blamed on either Alpine driver. But in general, I do not consider either Ocon or Gasly to be in the same league as Norris, who is only down where he is due to the McLaren just not being good enough. Given that when Ricciardo went to McLaren, many believed that he would end Norris’s career, and yet there Ricciardo was, being lapped at Monaco. A driver who many on here still claim is better than Verstappen having his remaining contract paid off so he could be replaced.
            Ocon has clashed with every team mate he’s ever had, and Gasly has been lucky to rehabilitate his reputation after the time he spent as Verstappen’s team mate.
   2. 

      Prvn
      2nd April 2023, 8:58

      LOL
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         Depailler
         2nd April 2023, 9:00

         Well done Keith – you have the championship points live while the main F1 site is still struggling to update !
5. 

   Alex (@)
   2nd April 2023, 9:01

   McLaren in 5th!

   Might want to print that out and frame it while it lasts
6. 

   Prvn
   2nd April 2023, 9:04

   It was supposed to be rolling start, no point in standing start as an entartainment. Drivers drive hard for 50 laps and suddenly race neutralization for just 2 laps.. anyone will be mad to gain… Even though brakes ,tyre are not ready at that moment.
   Or clear track debris with super slow speed in that particular zone with safety car.
   1. 

      neiana
      2nd April 2023, 9:06

      Rulebook says standing start is the preferred method, iirc. And as mentioned during the broadcast, it has happened several times before.
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   hunocsi (@hunocsi)
   2nd April 2023, 9:21

   I might be wrong but I think this is the most WDC titles on the podium at once with 11.
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      MichaelN
      2nd April 2023, 15:53

      Might be, the European GP of 2012 had 10 (7x MSC, 2x ALO, 1x RAI) as did Turkey in 2020 (6x HAM, 4x VET).
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         hunocsi (@hunocsi)
         2nd April 2023, 16:01

         Oh I forgot about 2020, and Hamilton clinched his 7th title in Turkey, so technically it was 11 there as well. So this race wasn’t the first, but 2+7+2 is still quite something.
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   Tunde
   2nd April 2023, 9:38

   If the last restart was done according to the previous grid after the second red flag, then anything after the second red flag does not exist.

   Only the drivers who had problems and could not be on the grid for the last restart should be the ones who lost out… Sainz should be absolved of the punishment meted out to him because what he did didn’t have any effect on the result… it was actually a reset.
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      Michael
      2nd April 2023, 11:06

      It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t affect the result , it’s about causing an accident not about affecting the result. The accident lead to the events which caused the third red flag. The fact the third red flag happened meant the order reverted, but it does not erase the events that occurred.
9. 

   Sergey Martyn
   2nd April 2023, 18:05

   Is Hulk above Leclerc because he finished (though out of points) previous races where Charles DNF?
10. 

    David BR (@david-br)
    2nd April 2023, 18:06

    Definitely the most effective upgrade this season has been Alonso on the radio. That’s two podiums he’s saved himself now on the phone to FIA from the car.
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       Esploratore (@esploratore1)
       2nd April 2023, 23:21

       He also officially has a subscription for 3rd place!

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