Alonso: Aston Martin weren’t seeking penalty for any specific rival with protest

15 comments on “Alonso: Aston Martin weren’t seeking penalty for any specific rival with protest”

1. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   7th July 2023, 6:03

   Hulkenberg makes the same point I made most recently over the Canadian GP weekend when impeding in qualifying last appeared.
   Drivers indeed also have their responsible in avoiding impediments rather than only race engineers & since they’ve done motorsport for a while, they should’ve learned long ago to avoid using the racing line on a slow lap whenever unnecessary, especially at blind corners & at the end of a long full-throttle section towards lap end.

   So that very long trip for F2 & F3 again.
   Hopefully, next year, the former also races in Qatar (I’m still baffled this isn’t the case already this year) so that all four Middle East GP locations would have that category supporting F1 & since they already race in the other three Gulf/Arabian Peninsula locations, not racing in Qatar doesn’t really have any justification.

   I get how a track invasion can put marshals at risk if they’re running after protesters on track with cars approaching & drivers to a smaller extent (because they’re already decently protected) if they lose car control because of a reactionary avoiding move, etc.
   However, I don’t quite get how spectators on the other side behind high fencing would necessarily be under threat.

   The Motor Sport article about time gains at the last two corners in qualifying & the race using data charts is very good & informative.

   Ocon’s one-off helmet design immediately become one of my favorite 2023 designs.

   MP Motorsport’s choice is wholly understandable, for now, doing only this one tweet to wish the best for their drivers & teams in different categories.
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   Red Andy (@red-andy)
   7th July 2023, 7:48

   With clear and repeated warnings that Just Stop Oil is likely to target the British GP, and presumably a comprehensive “lessons learned” exercise from last year’s interruption, there is no excuse for protesters to be able to disrupt this weekend’s running. None.

   If the organisers and their security contractors allow another track invasion (or similar disruption) to happen, Liberty should consider all potential options, including terminating Silverstone’s contract to hold the race. If you can’t host a Grand Prix safely then you shouldn’t host one at all.
   1. 

      Elvira
      8th July 2023, 8:06

      Just for me, if they don’t endanger anyone, I’d be inclined to cheer them on and would be more likely to buy a ticket to a future race at Silverstone.
3. 

   Alan Dove
   7th July 2023, 8:41

   Liberty will find themselves in a world of pain if they cancel Silverstone because of protesters because you basically justify the protests. Talk about incentive for groups worldwide.

   Almost all circuits have vulnerabilities. We have a general marshal shortage at the moment. I few carefully placed activists, over time, could render all other security measures useless if they can just walk onto the circuit. These kind of tactics will be on the cards. Other than that tons of circuits have big vulnerabilities. It’s very hard to cover absolutely everything. But if you specifically target Silverstone when it’s the only circuit currently being targeted, then what happens when it spreads?
   1. 

      Red Andy (@red-andy)
      7th July 2023, 8:56

      To be clear I don’t think that preventing protesters from accessing the track should be the responsibility of marshals. Firstly, they are volunteers, and secondly they are there to ensure the safe running of the on-track action, not for crowd control. Any event that is expecting hundreds of thousands of people to come through the gates should have adequate (paid) security staff to ensure that everyone is able to attend safely and prevent any disruptive and dangerous activity.

      As for potentially justifying the protests by giving them something to aim at, I can understand the argument. But the alternative is to continue hosting events with inadequate security, knowingly putting people at risk, because “we can’t let the protesters win.” What sort of message does that send?
      1. 

         SteveP
         7th July 2023, 11:21

         I suppose they could make a move in the right direction by having thorough searches and cancelling the tickets of anyone carrying flares or bright-coloured powder packs. Take mugshots and ensure they never get access to a motorsport event in the future.
      2. 

         Alan Dove
         7th July 2023, 12:11

         The marshals have to have to unblocked access to the race circuit, and that makes them a prime target for any would-be protest group. Infiltrate that (and this is absolutely possible. It may take a year or two, but doable) and there really isn’t anything security can do.

         The point is there are multiple security vulnerabilities. Silverstone is not unique. I’ve seen pictures of various circuits around the world where there’s tons of gaps for people to get through. Way more exposed than Silverstone. To come out with statements like “should lose its Grand Prix” aren’t helpful in the slightest. I think people are very naive to the complexity of strategies JSO could implement. It’s very hard to police, and giving groups like JSO the possibility of getting a whole race cancelled would be the worst case scenario.
4. 

   lynn-m
   7th July 2023, 11:42

   RE COTD.

   The downside to watching highlights and non-live coverage in general for me is that you lose all the extras that you get when live.

   You can’t sync the live timing to highlights nor have access to any of the extra camera feeds that are available for live coverage and for me at least having access to the timing, some extra onboard cameras and some of the other extra video options adds a lot to the coverage. Helps keep track of some things that aren’t always been shown.

   Especially for sessions where Sky are so obsessed with not showing the world feed, In those cases been able to switch over to the multi-screen channel they have available allows you to keep watching the track action.

   Sky have introduced access to every onboard camera on there mobile apps & SkyQ this year but it’s a shame that unlike F1TV they don’t archive any of that stuff.
   1. 

      SteveP
      7th July 2023, 16:16

      The downside to watching highlights and non-live coverage in general for me is that you lose all the extras that you get when live.

      You also lose the Sky commentators, which in one case is probably regarded as a big bonus if comments on various forums are any guide.
      Unicron is just one who thinks it’s a good trade
      1. 

         baasbas
         7th July 2023, 17:34

         @SteveP
         Brundle is fine with me, it’s not too often he mixes up drivers. Croft however does this just too much. Or he’ll claim an overtake but actually there wasn’t any. Still, the most annoying thing about him is him describing everything. But I have a tv. I’m looking at it. In fact, I can see it way better than he could ever describe it. Can’t we turn his mic off or something? I don’t have great eyes but I don’t need commentary for the visually impaired
         1. 

            Esploratore (@esploratore1)
            7th July 2023, 22:41

            Yes, I think croft is very bad, he for example said perez got 2 lap times deleted in q2, whereas it was 3 and it was very clear to see based on how the attempts went, like you said mixes up cars and a thing I don’t like is also that when a driver improves by even a considerable amount, like 3 tenths, and doesn’t improve his position, he says “he can’t improve”, at the same time you see the green timing showing he improved, it’s very annoying because that improvement could’ve saved him from a q2 knockout or stuff like that.

            The italian commentators back when rai (the italian main tv broadcaster before sky aquired f1 rights) always said “migliora la prestazione ma non la posizione” “he improves his laptime but not the position”.
         2. 

            Esploratore (@esploratore1)
            7th July 2023, 22:41

            Yes, I think croft is very b.a.d., he for example said perez got 2 lap times deleted in q2, whereas it was 3 and it was very clear to see based on how the attempts went, like you said mixes up cars and a thing I don’t like is also that when a driver improves by even a considerable amount, like 3 tenths, and doesn’t improve his position, he says “he can’t improve”, at the same time you see the green timing showing he improved, it’s very annoying because that improvement could’ve saved him from a q2 knockout or stuff like that.

            The italian commentators back when rai (the italian main tv broadcaster before sky aquired f1 rights) always said “migliora la prestazione ma non la posizione” “he improves his laptime but not the position”.
         3. 

            Esploratore (@esploratore1)
            7th July 2023, 22:43

            Yes, I think croft is not a good commentator at all, he for example said perez got 2 lap times deleted in q2, whereas it was 3 and it was very clear to see based on how the attempts went, like you said mixes up cars and a thing I don’t like is also that when a driver improves by even a considerable amount, like 3 tenths, and doesn’t improve his position, he says “he can’t improve”, at the same time you see the green timing showing he improved, it’s very annoying because that improvement could’ve saved him from a q2 knockout or stuff like that.

            The italian commentators back before sky acquired f1 rights always said the translated equivalent of “he improves his laptime but not the position”.
         4. 

            Elvira
            8th July 2023, 8:40

            Croft makes mistakes, Brundle makes mistakes but I don’t see it as a big deal. I just sat through the last Chicago Nascar race, even with a team & load sharing, when it’s not all laid out in front of them on an oval they didn’t seem to have a chance at calling anything in real time other than the lead pair or trio.
            I’d prefer just to lose the volume increase for predictable climaxes but, given it’s predictable, really just need to be putting a finger on the volume button in advance.
            1. 

               baasbas
               8th July 2023, 10:42

               Fair points. I guess I’d like a commentator to tell me something I don’t see happening right in front of me. Don’t shout over a nice battle. Tell me something interesting. Like whose laptime is dropping off at the end of a stint, or who is extremely consistent. Whose race pace is better/worse than the long runs from testing. Is there something interesting to say maybe about the teams tire allocation for the coming pit stops.

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