Alonso says Verstappen and Red Bull are better than their rivals in every area of their game

Verstappen and Red Bull are better than all rivals in every single area – Alonso

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Two times world champion Fernando Alonso believes there isn’t a team on the grid who has matched Red Bull in any competitive element so far this year.

Red Bull are on a record-breaking run of consecutive wins which stretches back 15 rounds to the final race of last season. Max Verstappen broke the record for the longest uninterrupted winning run by a driver at the Italian Grand Prix last week.

Alonso is the closest of Verstappen’s rivals from another team to him in the drivers’ championship, but is almost 200 points behind. Red Bull’s domination of the season is a consequence of them being stronger than their rivals in every area of their game, said Alonso.

“I think both Red Bull and Max are connected this year,” he said. “They are outstanding in everything they do.

“Red Bull has the fastest car, are taking care of the tyres better than others. They have the best starts, they have the best pit stops. They are the best in every area that you could wish. The best top speed, the best low-speed performance, the best DRS delta. So there is not one single aspect of that car that can be matched at the moment for anyone.”

The same also goes for Verstappen’s advantage over his rival drivers, said Alonso.

“With Max it’s a little bit the same thing. He is the best in qualifying, he’s the best in the race, he’s the best in battling.

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“He’s the best at pit stops,” Alonso added, “because pit stops, it’s true that two seconds is the record and Red Bull does always the fastest pit stops and the mechanics are doing a great job, but also the driver needs to do his part there and never make a mistake with the position of the car, these kind of things.”

Ferrari team principal Frederic Vasseur has praised Verstappen’s ability to keep errors to a minimum over the past two years. Alonso agreed the Red Bull driver is “doing nothing wrong” at the moment.

“So the two together are just incredible and breaking all these records of victories and things,” he added. “And let’s see what the others can do and what we can do to get to that level.“

Red Bull’s supremacy has prompted speculation they could become the first team ever to win every single grand prix in a season. Team principal Christian Horner admitted that after winning all 14 grand prix so far this year, expectations are growing that they can complete a perfect season.

“One day we’re going to get beaten,” he said. “That’s inevitable and guaranteed. It’s just a question of when. Obviously we want to make the ‘when’ as far away as we can.

“I think that with every weekend that goes past, there becomes more expectation to keep this amazing run of results. To think that we’ve won all 14 grands prix, 24 of the last 25 grands prix we’ve managed to win as a team. And it’s quite incredible that we’ve managed to keep this momentum going as long as we can.”

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46 comments on “Verstappen and Red Bull are better than all rivals in every single area – Alonso”

  1. It seems Alonso would like to replace Perez at RB. Then set about a subversive dismantling of Max.

    1. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
      11th September 2023, 13:05

      Yeah, he wants to drive the Red Bull.

  2. This is why if anyone wants to challenge Max, he needs to have significant car pace advantage, otherwise Max is going to dominate like he did last 2 years.

    1. All hail the Great dutch hype! Max uber alles! By con or by grift. All is fair in the land Muhammed “ain’t no woman smarter than man” Sulayem.

      What do you call a dutch driver whos been gifted his first wdc?

      Won his second wdc with a car specced from a costcap breach commonly known as cheating.

      And for his upcoming wdc has had no competition other than what his teammate was allowed to?


    2. No, someone like Alonso just needs an equal opportunity. Max is amazing, but he’s not unbeatable. Alonso doesn’t have that have final .1% one-lap quali speed, but he’s still the best over a race distance IMO. Lewis is less adaptable, but in a car perfectly suited to him, he’d be capable of challenging him. As for Lando. We don’t know yet. Him being so closely challenged by Sainz could be a strike against him, but he seems blazing fast now and Sainz had a lot more experience at that time. We’ll have to see. Leclerc leads the rest of the drivers, but has proven, IMO, isn’t capable of both going insanely fast and not binning it too often.

  3. I can’t understand how after all this time, year after year, with it all filmed on TV, with the same kind of equipment and people, nobody can do their pitstops! It’s as though the others all do their hundreds of practices practising doing it not quite right. Or something!

    1. Zann, do you mean nobody can do pit stops as fast as Red Bull? I think the TV hype might have misled you. Red Bull are pretty good, but they are not always the fastest. In the first 14 races this year, Red Bull have had the fastest stop in seven races, Ferrari in four, and McLaren in three, and in 2022, Red Bull had the fastest stop in 10 out of 24 races.

      DHL run a pitstop performance competition, and award points for a driver’s fastest pit stop on the same scale as race points are awarded. The really surprising stat for 2023 is that Mercedes are down in seventh, beating only Williams, Alpha Tauri, and Haas. The margins are pretty small though. At Monza, the top ten pit stop times were

      Norris, McLaren, 2.13 seconds
      LeClerc, Ferrari, 2.32
      Perez, Red Bull, 2.35
      Lawson, AlphaTuri, 2.51
      Verstappen, Red Bull, 2.54
      Zhou, Alfa Romeo, 2.63
      Russell, Mercedes, 2.66
      Ocon, Alpine, 2.69
      Piastri, McLaren, 2.77
      Hamilton, Mercedes, 2.83

      Pit stop time alone is misleading. What really matters is time spent in the pit lane. Some drivers attack the pit lane better than others, or get out of their box with less wheelspin. The boxes at the start and end of the lane get a small benefit because their cars can straightline into or out of their box. A fast stop isn’t much good if the team has timed it badly and you follow in a slower car in the approach, or the lollipop man has to hold you for half a second while another car passes.

      1. I think it’s even more than the whole pitlane in- and outtime, I think you should look at the in- and outlaps too. In my opinion, that’s where the differences are made.

        1. +1 Max really gains a lot in the in- and outlaps.

      2. Well it’s the mechanics of the pit stop I was talking about, but fair enough it’s closer than I’d been thinking. Glad I trolled you :)

  4. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
    11th September 2023, 13:12

    Here comes Alonso echoing Leclerc and Hamilton.

    [Red has won] All of the last 14 grand prix… 24 of the last 25 grands prix

    1. I think he wanted to say: in a row 14 GP of the 24 GP from the last 25 GP,

    2. It’s not alonso who said that, it’s horner!

      1. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
        11th September 2023, 18:31

        @esploratore1 oddly enough, both of them said it ;-) In Alonso’s complete quote, he said it.

  5. He’s not wrong. Hope he’s the chosen one to end their streak though. Would be great to see others get a few wins.

    1. Coventry Climax
      11th September 2023, 15:36

      No. You think it would be great to see others win. And so do I by the way.
      But in terms of greatness, it would actually be ridiculously great if they won everything for the rest of the season, and next season too.

      1. I see nothing great with that, it’s just a result of the better reliability nowadays and incredibly boring.

        1. Boring yes but should they win all races I’ll look back at races they could have lost – Monaco, Zandvoort etc and appreciate how they didn’t lose even those races.

          It’s a very easy thing to win the titles this year. What’s impressive is not losing a single event while doing so.

        2. Coventry Climax
          12th September 2023, 14:58


          I see nothing great with Usain Bolt, it’s just that …
          I see nothing great with Schumacher, he just had…
          I see nothing great with Hamilton, he just happened to…
          I see nothing great with Djokovic winning 24 grand slams, it’s just a matter of …

          That’s more or less what you’re saying.
          You -and I- don’t have to like it, but fact of the matter is it’s still a great achievement that noone has managed before.

          1. I agree with part of your sentiment, but when someone is using only their own two feet or playing a sport where all rackets are equal, I think that’s more exciting. If F1 was a spec series and Max was on this streak, I’d find it a lot more exciting.

            I think, beyond anything, we can agree anytime a driver dominates to this extent whether it be Schumacher, Alonso for two seasons, Hamilton at Merc or now Max, it’s easy to see they’re part of an elite of an elite.

          2. Coventry Climax
            13th September 2023, 18:28

            Nick T., though runners having success seems like it’s just because of their two feet, there’s an immense amount of other things and people that come with grabbing -and keeping- the no.1 position.
            Rackets, as far as I know, are not equal at all, but anyway, for tennis it’s the same thing.
            And in F1 too, it’s the same; it’s not like Verstappen does this all on his own, with noone else involved. The teams and things around it in F1 are probably larger than in most other sports. But that, in fact, makes the achievement even more impressive.
            The ultimate spec series would be to have all drivers race in a straight out of the showroom car, with no team of mechanics and managers to help them anywhere and zero option to modify even the slightest bit on their cars. They could even rotate cars to make up for factory differences. If you think that makes racing more exciting for you, there’s plenty of series that follow rules like that.
            Ever watched a Caterham race? That’s very spec, and it’s brilliant. F1 though is a totally different ballgame. Please, let’s keep it that way.

      2. Well I agree. If they do a clean sweep it would be a record that someone can only match, not better.

        1. @CoventryClimax I don’t disagree it’s super impressive from a team perspective, (though I think Newey is so far above all the other engineering talent he’s the equal of Max + Alonso squared vs other designers, especially since he designs every last part of the car except for the PU (though he does dictate many of its parameters). It’s just not exciting IMO.

  6. That’s the truth.
    Red Bull has been the best managed team for quite some time, some good 10 or 12 years already.

    They probably made some mistakes here and there that cost some wins (Monaco 2016 comes to mind) but compared to other teams, that’s nothing.

    Coupled with one of the best cars ever produced and already one of the best drivers, that’s what we get.

    Others have a lot of catch up to do.

  7. Their starts could be beter but is hard due their suspension not heating up the tyres like the rest. If they could fix that then it becomes scary. But topspeed isn’t anymore in RB best Ferrari and Mercedes havemore topspeed nowdays.

    1. @macleod

      If they could fix that

      I do believe that heating up the tyres quicker will also lead to faster degrading. So it is a trade-off. Look at Haas for example, very quick on one lap but lagging behind in races.

    2. It’s hard to compare their top speed relative to others as they never ran a proper low downforce spec wing unlike Merc/Ferrari.

      At Spa they had their low medium wing and at Monza a trimmed version of the same wing.

      Ferrari is the only team that is comparable in a straight line but they lost the balance of last year’s car in the corners.

      Merc isn’t there.

  8. Talented as this rookie may be, I don’t think RB are interested in signing Aston’s Number 2 driver..

    1. RBR might exchange him for their own #2 driver Max. Would Lance and Max be a balanced act at AM?

      1. If i saw how Lance was owned at the Ferrari Summergame 2014 i think Lance goes playing tennis right away.

  9. Relatively? Maybe there’s a case to be made. They’re very far ahead. But in modern F1 advantages are locked in for such a long time that a lot of these measuring sticks of success become fairly meaningless, or at the very least unsuited for comparisons to other eras.

    F1 sure is lucky the engine manufacturer teams agreed to an engine development freeze and a near complete specified engine regulation for 2026. Who really cares about engines anyway? It’s motorspo… oh right. Alpine, Ferrari and Mercedes have only themselves to blame for their incompetence; both politically and engineering wise.

    1. Since the engines are close* to each other performance wise, it makes sense to free up resources to build the ’26 spec engines.
      This isn’t 2014 where a token system locks a 10% advantage for a single engine manufacturer, who had it seemed, the right to block their customers of using the same engine mappings.
      *Except for the Alpine, which was obvious in Italy.
      I think the gains on engine performance would be marginal anyway, or non-existent if they fall under a budget limitation.

  10. Alonso is spot on here.

    I am so glad that we have such good drivers and they appreciate each other as well. F1 is in a good place and I am pretty sure RedBull’s dominance will end in 2 years (yes I am ready to wait).

    Norris, Russell, Albon, Piastri, Hamilton, LeClerc, Sainz, Alonso, Verstappen & Ricciardo, I mean the grid is pretty special right now and they are all great personalities as well.

    1. I don’t think f1 is in a good place:

      1) Dominance never seen before
      2) Inability to race on a considerably wet track any more
      3) Gimmicks like sprint races (which I prefer to practice, but they’re not generally liked)

      Like others said here, a lot of people stopped watching since red bull became so dominant.

      1. Esplatore, good points. We’ve often had dominant seasons, but usually there has been rivalry between drivers in the dominant team, and the cars hadn’t been quite so bulletproof as this generation.

        I’d say they have an ability to race on a lot of dry tracks too, and there is too much dependence on DRS to give the illusion of racing. Perhaps DRS would be better if the DRS advantage cut out once cars were side by side, more like the slip streaming effect, but it is silly on some tracks where a car without DRS has to watch his opponent sail off into the distance.

        Yes, sprint races are a total gimmick. They don’t provide any significant alternative to the full race. None of the current cars or drivers are any better on one format compared to the other. Perhaps if the sprint race was run in revesrse grid order it would create a more interesting racing challenge.

        1. that should say “an IN-ability to race on a lot of dry tracks too”

      2. I do partially agree. I feel more are catching on since there is a superstar. You see the same thing in Tennis or other sports. Periods of an athlete dominating attracts viewers. And its not like its the first overall dominant period. We are only 2 years in the current one which was preceded by an 8 (!) year period.

    2. Michael (@freelittlebirds)
      11th September 2023, 18:38

      @prab Well, Alonso is not really praising as much as he’s wondering how this came about. He’s upset because there’s no way he can win a race at Aston Martin as the Red Bulls could turn off the engine, glide, in the slipstream of the other 20 cars and probably win the race.

      He wants to race for Red Bull but they won’t give him a chance.

      That’s 4 years of dominance with Verstappen.


      I don’t think f1 is in a good place:

      1) Dominance never seen before

      yeah, I think that’s Alonso’s point

  11. No Nando no this is so not right

  12. I don’t think anyone will be surprised that I agree with the Great Man but if we break it down it’s hard to argue:

    Best number 1 driver – Max
    Best car out the box – RB
    Best development – their advantage is no less than it was this time last year
    Strategy – rarely make errors
    Wet weather driving – Max
    Best overtaker – Max
    Reliability – a marginal consideration but still impressive in race trim
    Team dynamic – Perez is both winning and in second place
    Pit Stops – always competitive

    I’m struggling to think of a weakness in Max or the car for the past number of seasons. As a Ferrari and Aston fan it pains me to say it but this is Schumi levels of total dominance in every element of the sport and frankly, they deserve to be commended on an legendary success.

    1. @rbalonso True but you could repeat that verbatim for any given year of Hamilton/Mercedes dominance.
      The real test will be a season when Red Bull and Verstappen are seriously challenged, 50-50 challenged, by another team and driver/s. Until that happens, you’ll probably be able to copy-paste the above because it will apply the exactly the same until (unlikely) even Verstappen gets bored.

    2. I think Alonso is a better overtaker. One of the cleanest ever. The guy hasn’t had a single controversial crash in his career. That’s pretty amazing.

      1. True but he also hasn’t won a championship since 2006. My intuition (possibly wrong) is that the reason is precisely because he’s so cautious and has risked less.

        1. No. He’s super aggressive. Amazingly bad luck and frankly some extremely bad steward calls left him a single point short of the title in 2010 and 2012 (and during both those years he had a clearly inferior car). And in 2007, he would have the title had he realized earlier what a threat Hamilton was. For example, in the Spanish GP, he wouldn’t have tried to put on a show and take the lead at the first corner with disastrous results. Had he finished even a place down from where he started, the title is his. So, he went 2 for 3 when he had a car that was at or the near the top of the pecking order. And got within a point of two titles in cars that weren’t championship machines. Besides that, he had ZERO chances to win a WDC.

          If you question his aggressiveness, simply watch the 2014 Silverstone GP. He starts 19th and basically 95% of the broadcast is him risking death with insane passing maneuvers.

        2. Additionally, his aggressiveness is evidenced by the fact of how just badly he destroyed his teammates. Doubling their points output was basically a given. He tripled Kimi’s points outputs when they were teammates. In his first WDC, he nearly tripled Fisi’s score and we know how many careers he ended of drivers that were basically Perez or Magnussen level drivers. Guys who might have stuck around for a long time had they been paired with basically anyone but Fernando or Lewis.

  13. Verstappen in particular has just taken things to another level. Even at the height of Lewis’ rein he’d have the occasional off weekend (like Monaco ’21) but I can’t remember the last time Max has had a genuinely poor weekend. His relentless consistency is bizarre and it feels inevitable that he’ll just win every race for the rest of this season. The only way I can see him dropping a win is if he’s taken out by a competitor outside of his control. On talent and consistency alone, he’s untouchable at the moment. I imagine this is what it was like watching Jim Clark race but in much more reliable machinery!

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