Decision on Haas request for review of US GP result delayed to tomorrow

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The FIA hearing into whether to review the results of the 2023 United States Grand Prix has been adjourned until tomorrow with no decision made yet.

A statement issued by the stewards of the race, who convened via videoconference today to discuss a request for review from the Haas Formula 1 team, said a decision will be communicated tomorrow.

“The hearing addressing the petition for review submitted by MoneyGram Haas F1 Team concerning documents 59 and 66 issued during the United States Grand Prix has been adjourned in order for the Stewards to independently consider the submissions made. It will be reconvened on Thursday November 9th, 2023 at 15:00 hrs CET involving all parties that attended the first part of the hearing,” they said in a statement.

“Once the hearing has been reconvened, the decision on whether a significant and relevant new
element was discovered that was unavailable to the party seeking the review at the time of the
decision(s) petitioned to be reviewed will be announced. The continuation of the hearing concerning
the merits of the case is dependent on the outcome of this deliberation.”

Haas petitioned the governing body of F1 to reconsider the result of last month’s race. The request concerns the enforcement of the track limits regulations during the race. A total of 35 lap times were deleted due to infringements at eight different corners, but following the race the stewards admitted not all cases could be examined due to a lack of evidence.

Nico Hulkenberg and Kevin Magnussen finished 11th and 14th for Haas in the race, which took place at the Circuit of the Americas last month. Representatives of Red Bull, Aston Martin and Williams were also summoned to attend today’s hearing.

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11 comments on “Decision on Haas request for review of US GP result delayed to tomorrow”

  1. Will be interesting if the decision is nothing to see here after they spent a day discussing the nothing.

    1. Which is the usual FIA response to appeals.

      God forbid they acknowledge any wrongdoing or negligence on their part.

    2. I feel like if FIA gives an penalty, they will open a can of worm… Can you imagine every teams reviewing hours of video in an effort to try to detect any wrong doings and requesting the result to be reviewed.

      The team have the opportunity to report issues during the race, but once the results are confirmed (usually a few minutes / hours after the GP), these kinds of (small) infraction should be discarded.

  2. I really do hope they say nothing to see here. Trying to second guess what might have happened or how drivers might have reacted if they’d been given warnings or penalties is purely subjective. Lawyers deciding who would have finished where is nothing to do with sport. By all means use it to review how you pick stewards and how you police it in future, but please don’t pretend it is acceptable to change the results of a race which is done and dusted.

    1. not this case, but what if you find out a team was running heavily illegal specs during a race? you still let it go just because the race is done and dusted?

      1. Stefano, I think that’s a bit different, a bit like finding out after the event that an athlete has failed a drugs test, a slam dunk disqualification. This is more akin to a football team going over the video after the match and complaining that the refereee missed a handball and they should have had a penalty. Imperfect refereeing can be annoying, and can seem unfair at times, but it is just another factor that you have to cope with in all sports. All sports look at ways to improve refereeing, to make it more impartial, they use hawkeye, DRS, etc, but they all say that when the moment has pasesd, the competitors just have to get on with the game.

  3. Within the context of giving post race penalty, if the infringement is mainly because the driver misjudge the track limit (as in potentially the driver think that he was still within the track limit), then I think it is better to not give a penalty for it. If it is simply because the driver was understeered thus exceeding the track limit, I also think it is better to not give a penalty for it. If a driver intentionally ignoring the track limit (which is obviously they did that because it gave them lap times) then yes, I think post race penalty is okay for that.
    Basically I’m not a fan for post race penalty, especially like track limit infringement which the driver sometimes only know like several laps after the actual infringement, thus they don’t have the chance to correct it, but that is only for things that is unintentional. If the driver intentionally abuse the track limit, then I’m okay with post race penalty.

    1. Then the driver needs to leave a margin to ensure they are compliant. They, and only they are responsible for the attitude of their car- if they understeer they can lift off of the loud pedal.

      1. There are 2 types, first the type that think that they are still within track limit and another type that is simply understeer.
        For the first one, yes, it still need to be punished, but they need to give it soon and not 10 laps after the infringement and definitely not after the race. As for understeer, it is basically a mistake that usually ends up not really gave an advantage. Personally I’m a bit reluctant to give punishment for it, but for the sake of consistency, I don’t mind someone get punished for it.
        As for your argument of leaving margin, for the first type, they probably think they leave just enough. They are competitive driver and try to push as much as they can. Especially during battle with other car they probably try to leave as little margin as they can, thus mistake can happen. For the 2nd part, not all of understeer are the same. Sometimes you can’t really save it without exceeding the track limit, sometimes you can, but again, usually this is not desirable and probably not the fastest way to get around the track, thus it is a bit harsh to punish that, especially if the punishment came after the race.

        In the end, it all comes down to the ability to recognize the infringement quickly and also whether it is intentional or not. If it is intentional, I don’t care whether the punishment being given just after the race of after the season ended. If it is not intentional, I really hope they keep the punishment within the race and again, notify and give the punishment as quickly as possible, ideally within a lap.

  4. Honestly, I feel like Haas is a liability to F1. They have an insulting approach to go racing.. where they don’t design their car, don’t manufacture an engine, don’t understand how to manage drivers, don’t understand how to manage their tyres.

    They’re not really a racing team to begin with. Then, they launch protests to try and finish as high up the grid as possible.. to get other drivers disqualified or penalised, so that they can scrape their P14 or P15 results to get a point, so that they don’t finish last … again.

    We constantly talk about drivers who don’t belong on the grid .. but if we were to extend the discussion to which teams do not belong on the grid, Haas would 100% be the first choice of everyone to leave the sport.
    The only value they add is Steiner’s comic relief in Drive to survive.

    1. And for someone like me steiner’s DTS value is 0 as well.

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