Verstappen beats Hamilton’s winning rate with Emilia-Romagna GP victory

24 comments on “Verstappen beats Hamilton’s winning rate with Emilia-Romagna GP victory”

1. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   22nd May 2024, 8:53

   Lance Stroll has now out-qualified Fernando Alonso for three consecutive qualifying sessions, including Miami’s sprint qualifying.

   The second entirely neutralization-free 2024 race following the season-opener.
   Additionally, the second 2024 race where Lance Stroll was the last driver to finish on the lead lap, while his teammate was the last finisher in a standard race for the first time since the most recent Singapore GP, as well as the second entirely neutralization-free (yellow-flagging excluded) race, coincidently, also after the season-opener.
   Yuki Tsunoda, on the other hand, was the highest-finishing lapped driver also for the second time this season, with the Japanese GP being the first such race.

   George Russell became the fifth driver to achieve FLAP this season.
   1. 

      Simon
      22nd May 2024, 20:57

      As always, still no crediting sources…
2. 

   Mayrton
   22nd May 2024, 9:27

   That is quite an achievement knowing how dominant that Mercedes was. Next to Rosberg, even Bottas got it on pole multiple times and had multiple race victories. Plus Hamilton have been handed a few as well, through the “Valtteri, it’s James messaging”.
   1. 

      David BR (@david-br)
      22nd May 2024, 13:20

      I can recall one clear-cut case, Russia 2018, which was done while Hamilton was already 50 points ahead.
      It was clearly a mistake to do and even Hamilton looked sheepish on the podium and expressed some regret (he knew it didn’t look good or play well: someone like Alonso, in all fairness, wouldn’t have cared less). Also wasn’t it ‘paid back’ in a later race? Maybe I’m dreaming it, but I think so. Nevertheless, it was poor team management as it was unnecessary, clearly dented Bottas’s confidence and he did little by way of assistance afterwards, especially in the title fight with Verstappen compared to Pérez.
      1. 

         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         23rd May 2024, 16:30

         Was never paid back, you’re confusing payback with hungary 2017, where bottas let hamilton by to hunt the ferraris, he didn’t manage and gave the position back, and I think wolff didn’t approve hamilton’s action.
   2. 

      notagrumpyfan
      22nd May 2024, 13:57

      That is quite an achievement knowing how dominant that Mercedes was. Next to Rosberg, even Bottas got it on pole multiple times and had multiple race victories.

      Shouldn’t that be that it was quite an achievement by Hamilton?
      He at least had some real contenders in the other car when he was winning: Alonso, Rosberg, and sometimes Bottas.
      Verstappen had most of his wins with a clearly poorer driver in the other car.
      1. 

         David BR (@david-br)
         22nd May 2024, 15:01

         I agree to a large extent but I’d also add that Verstappen is ruthless and has gone about ensuring he is the dominant driver at Red Bull. Since Ricciardo left, who was able to compete fairly effectively but seemed unnerved by the challenge, Verstappen has quite deliberately and effectively quashed any sign of competition from his team mates. Plus, unlike Hamilton, Verstappen has had a lot of background support from Verstappen Sr and other figures at Red Bull very much on his side (the ‘politics’ bit where someone like Button at McLaren vs. Hamilton, or Sainz at Ferrari vs. Leclerc can make a difference). The younger and/or slower drivers Max has been facing in the team since Ricciardo have all effectively melted under the challenge. So while virtually all of Hamilton’s team mates have been better drivers than those running against Max, it would need someone faster on track, hyper confident in their own abilities, and more resilient off it to compete effectively.
      2. 

         Schumi
         22nd May 2024, 15:06

         Come on, how many times did LH drive off into the horizon, like Max. Suddenly that’s all different?
         LH did great, don’t get me wrong but Max imo is just a little bit better.
         1. 

            notagrumpyfan
            22nd May 2024, 15:26

            LH did great, don’t get me wrong but Max imo is just a little bit better.

            I tried to steer clear of the discussion who is better, but merely focussed on for whom it would be easier to get the high win ratio.
            Having a poorer teammate significantly improves your chances, and probably even more so than a team manager who gives certain instructions (see second part of comment made by OP).
            1. 

               F1statsfan (@f1statsfan)
               22nd May 2024, 16:12

               Well you then also should add years of dominate car, years of championship car and years of race win capable car.

               Lewis in that respect has been the luckiest driver in history when it comes to the cars he could drive:
               11 years of championship contender car of which 7 were (very) dominate, next to that 6 years of top 3 WCC car. 2024 is the first season that Lewis drives a car not top 3 in WCC and isn’t realistically able to win a race but Mercedes is still clearly 4th best team so not really mid field or back marker team.

               Max first 1,25 season with Toro Rosso he nearly made the podium a few times but Torro Rosso finished 7th in WCC in 2015. In the years 2016-2020 Mercedes won 70% of the races with Ferrari/Red Bull each picking up 14 races – of those scraps Max managed to win 10 (average of 2 per year).
               So 2024 is Max 4th year in Championship contender car of which only 2 years were dominate.

               Till end of 2023:
               Lewis 332 races, his teams won 149 races (44.9%), Lewis won 103 races (69% of team wins).
               Max 185 races, his team won 63 races (34.1%), Max won 54 races (86% of team wins).

               Rosberg might have been able to take the occasional win more than Perez but Bottas would likely have done worse than Perez. Most races Lewis didn’t win due to teammate were because of off days not because he had a better teammate.
               Since 2019 Max has been very consistent, ruthlessly consistent with very few off days/moments. Races he didn’t win were more down to bad luck/car issues than Max under delivering. In fact since start 2022 the only race I can think off that Max should have won but didn’t was Baku 2022 were Perez had better race pace even ignoring the unfortunate timing of the safety car.
            2. 

               notagrumpyfan
               22nd May 2024, 16:37

               Well you then also should add years of dominate car, years of championship car and years of race win capable car.

               As you could see from original reply I only commented on the teammate part of the comment.

               Thanks for including the statistics to confirm this:

               Lewis won 103 races (69% of team wins)
               Max won 54 races (86% of team wins)

               Of course car dominance and some other factors also play a role.
               Overall Hamilton had an advantage of having more years a top/dominant car; Verstappen had an advantage by having relatively (!) weaker teammates. And surprise, surprise they now end up with roughly the same win rate.

               PS I am still not commenting on who I think is the better driver.
         2. 

            sam
            22nd May 2024, 17:49

            You mean he has a more dominant car.
      3. 

         w0o0dy
         22nd May 2024, 17:34

         Nor really as he started his career in a winning car and has basically never driven a car that was unable to win untill 2022
         1. 

            André
            24th May 2024, 0:45

            Same applies to Verstappen as soon as he moved from TR to RBR.
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   F1statsfan (@f1statsfan)
   22nd May 2024, 9:36

   Before the Imola race Max and Lewis were joined record holders in most podiums over x races period for:
   20 races with 19 podiums = 95%
   30 races with 27 podiums = 90%
   50 races with 44 podiums = 88%

   Max is now sole recordholder with 28 podiums in 30 races = 93.3%.
   With podiums in Monaco and Canada Max can become sole recordholder for the 50 race period.

   Looking at the 100 race period Lewis is still 4 ahead with 82 podiums in 100 races achieved in Mercedes dominant period of 2014-2019.
4. 

   PlosslF1
   22nd May 2024, 20:55

   Zero competition and a rubbish team mate for the past 3 years….
   That really competes with LH fighting Ferrari’s for multiple years… Rode the pressure till they cracked at Hockenheim and Singapore amongst others…
   1. 

      Esploratore (@esploratore1)
      23rd May 2024, 16:49

      Well, ferrari had a pretty good car in 2022, which they couldn’t develop.
5. 

   paulgilb (@paulgilb)
   22nd May 2024, 22:30

   Thanks to Piastri’s penalty, Leclerc started from an odd-numbered position for the first time this year.

   Sainz has still only finished in odd-numbered positions this year.

   First time Ocon has started in an even-numbered position this year.

   Alonso’s first no-score since Mexico City 2023. Perez now has the longest unbroken streak of points finishes (excluding sprints).

   18th consecutive season in which at least 1 British driver has managed a Fastest Lap (Britain also holds the record with 22 consecutive seasons from 1981 to 2002 inclusive).

   Thanks to statsf1 for some of these.
6. 

   Mooa42
   23rd May 2024, 2:46

   I believe the top 3 cars lapped all the cars outside the top ten, not sure if this has happened before but it seemed an unusual amount of cars lapped by the top 3.
7. 

   The Dolphins
   23rd May 2024, 4:10

   Is there a more pointless stat for a non-spec series?
8. 

   Peter707
   23rd May 2024, 12:28

   Percentage of wins with a former or then-future WDC as teammate:
   Hamilton: 44.7 %
   Verstappen: 0 %
   1. 

      David BR (@david-br)
      23rd May 2024, 15:01

      Possibly my favourite ever stat on this site :)
      It would be great to see the same stats for Schumacher, Prost, Alonso, Senna, Clark etc.
      1. 

         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         23rd May 2024, 16:57

         Schumacher I’m guessing didn’t win any race with team mates that have been or ever became champions, as I recall he only had piquet and rosberg out of those and piquet retired in the end of 1991, before schumacher won his first race.

         Some of the others might be interesting indeed and none so easy to calculate.
         1. 

            André
            24th May 2024, 0:47

            However he was beaten by Rosberg fair and square.

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