2024 Singapore Grand Prix race result and championship points

40 comments on “2024 Singapore Grand Prix race result and championship points”

1. 

   Nick T.
   22nd September 2024, 14:49

   I predicted Norris would either smash the field by 30+ seconds or crash. He basically did both.

   Most impressive drivers aside from Norris:
   1. Colapinto who finished on Perez’s tail and is already better than Albon in his third race

   2. Alonso who was under 2 secs behind Sainz on the last lap in a crap box

   3. Leclerc

   Honorable mention to Hulk and Max. Least impressive: Piastri, Stroll and Perez
   1. 

      David (@nvherman)
      22nd September 2024, 14:57

      Hopefully all this nonsense about Piastri being better than Norris will now go away. Obviously it won’t, but we can but hope.
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         David BR (@david-br)
         22nd September 2024, 15:12

         It remains the same: Norris is usually faster in qualifying and races. Piastri is an extremely good racer, which is (was, still is) a Norris weak point. Maybe. Today was the first time he held pole in Formula 1. More than that, I felt he looked more serious this weekend, maybe even a hint of anger. If so, great, probably what was needed.
         1. 

            Nick T.
            22nd September 2024, 15:16

            Oh, he was furious. He felt humiliated after OP’s victory and felt like people were beginning to dismiss him. That’s why I expected him to try to do a Senna Monaco type drive in which he didn’t just want to win. He wanted to humiliate his teammate.
            1. 

               David BR (@david-br)
               22nd September 2024, 15:36

               Seems so, but if so it’s a champion mindset. I was impressed.
            2. 

               Nick T.
               23rd September 2024, 10:11

               I agree David, but he should have 5+ dominant wins at this point. While it was a great weekend, I’ll be impressed when he strings multiple dominant wins/weekends together.
   2. 

      Asd
      22nd September 2024, 14:59

      1. Colapinto who finished on Perez’s tail and is already better than Albon in his third race

      Colapinto is obviously much better than Seargant.
      But also Bearman seems better than Magnussen. And both are better than Perez.

      It really feels like half of the F1 grid should be replaced by better F2 and IndyCar drivers.
      1. 

         Asd
         22nd September 2024, 15:01

         I meant:
         But also Bearman seems better than Magnussen, who’s making Hulkenberg look better than he really is.
      2. 

         Nick T.
         22nd September 2024, 15:05

         We’ve had many disappointing F2 drivers too. I disagree that FC is just better than Logan. He’s had de facto identical quali pace to Albon and been better in the races. And Albon has been driving this car for years now.

         IMO, it would be insane for Audi to choose Bottas over Colapinto, especially since they were trying to sign Albon who got beat today by FC while Bottas was 5+ seconds behind Zhou at many points. Bottas might have just cost himself a contract.

         Anyway, we’ll have to wait until next year to get a true idea of how competitive the F2 drivers with at least three rookie F2 drivers in Doohan, Lawson and Bearman.
         1. 

            Michael
            22nd September 2024, 17:32

            It really should be Bortoleto over Colapinto. Bortoleto is younger and faster beating Colapinto in F2 this year and In F3 last year despite Colapinto having a years experience over him.
            1. 

               Nick T.
               23rd September 2024, 10:13

               Maybe so, but F2 success doesn’t always translate automatically into F1 success. Also, FC is in a less competitive F2 car. Still, AB has been more impressive in the junior formulas no doubt.
   3. 

      Ludewig
      22nd September 2024, 15:00

      I wasn’t really that impressed by Norris almost crashing himself out. And not sure why you are so down on Piastri. He made some very solid overtakes and drove a solid race, right?
      1. 

         David (@nvherman)
         22nd September 2024, 15:07

         Not sure why you are so down on Piastri. He made some very solid overtakes and drove a solid race, right?

         Finishing that far behind your team mate when you couldn’t even qualify within 0.5 seconds is not good enough
      2. 

         Nick T.
         22nd September 2024, 15:14

         I’m less down on him and more down on those who’ve been saying Oscar is going to surpass Lando any day now. I think you said “Oscar is coming like a bullet train.” lol

         I want OP to beat Norris as I dislike Norris while I really like Piastri, but he’s been nowhere near LN in quali this season and w/out LN constantly choking, people would instead be saying “Oscar needs to pick up his improvement.” To be clear, I think Oscar is a very good driver and will be a Sainz or George level driver. I just don’t think he’ll be in the league of a driver like CL let alone MV, FA or LH.
      3. 

         David BR (@david-br)
         22nd September 2024, 15:15

         I’d put keeping concentration in the Singapore heat and being way in front down to necessary learning experience. Verstappen has had his lapses (iffy moments) too when way out in front. Leclerc has even gone off unpressured when in front.
      4. 

         debaser91
         22nd September 2024, 15:22

         He finished 42s behind his teammate. 42! Sure, some of it was because of his poor qualifying but that is unacceptable.
   4. 

      DaveW (@dmw)
      22nd September 2024, 15:24

      I loved Albon’s “they race me so hard” call after Colapinto’s move in T1. Seems he’s a little concerned with Colapinto.
2. 

   dex022 (@dex022)
   22nd September 2024, 15:15

   Maybe it’s finally time to adress certain 4 car team and engineering a fastest lap point??
   1. 

      PlosslF1 (@f1-ploss)
      22nd September 2024, 16:18

      I look at it as more like Max having 3 tail gunners ;-)
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   Keith Campbell (@keithedin)
   22nd September 2024, 15:15

   I have to say, I feel like Ricciardo stealing the fastest lap point kind of makes a mockery of non-points scoring drivers being able to remove the fastest lap point from other drivers. What if this was the last race and RB suspiciously made a bid for fastest lap to change the outcome of the championship?

   Why not just make it that the fastest lap point is always awarded to the driver with the fastest lap out of those who were classified in the top 10 finishers? This would stop at least some of the pitting 2 laps from the end nonsense, though drivers who are fortunate enough to have the gap behind themselves to put into will still luck into a free point in some circumstances. It would also prevent the statistical quirk that some races award one less point than others because the fastest lap gets ‘sniped’ by a low finisher.
   1. 

      Nick T.
      22nd September 2024, 15:19

      Oh, boo hoo. It’s called fastest lap. Not fastest lap for drivers in the top 10. And this has been happening to WDC contenders for years now (drivers outside the top 10 taking fastest lap). It’s enough that they’re not eligible for points.
      1. 

         Keith Campbell (@keithedin)
         22nd September 2024, 15:29

         I don’t care about this particular occurrence. My opinion would be the same whether it’s a Williams stealing a point from a Mercedes competitor, or a Haas from a Ferrari competitor, or just a teammate helping out their team’s no.1 driver. I don’t see any reason to leave this rule open to manipulation when a simple tweak of the rulebook would remove any controversy. They have already tweaked the rule so that drivers outside the top 10 can’t gain the point themselves because they realised that would be open to gamesmanship, so this would just be closing off a further loophole.
   2. 

      N
      22nd September 2024, 15:31

      It also makes a mockery of Redbull pretending that RB are a separate entity, when they can literally tell another team how to drive their race in order to manipulate the result in their favour.
   3. 

      Alonslow
      22nd September 2024, 15:34

      That just sounds way dumb, ‘fastest lap while in the top 10’ why put the line there? what if Hamilton or Leclerc pitted and went for the fastest lap, just because they want the stat of having the fastest lap more than getting points for being 4th or 5th or 6th, then maybe the next suggestion would be a ‘fastest lap while in the podium’ line, it doesn’t make any sense, either is the actual fastest lap of the race, or is it not.

      If you want to prevent that statistical quirk, make it so the fastest lap awards a point no matter what, if would become incredible important to backmarkers to try for it creating ‘artificial fastest laps’ which is why FOM went for ‘in the top 10’, but it would be way more fair, actually guaranteed some late lap action no matter what, and if it was that way, Lando would have probably gotten his stolen anyway.
      1. 

         Keith Campbell (@keithedin)
         22nd September 2024, 15:45

         Agree to disagree. If a driver in the points wants to give up their result to chase a fastest lap statistic then they are free to do so, but no team has ever or would even do such a thing, so there is no reason to expand it further than ‘fastest lap for points scorers only’.
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            Alonslow
            22nd September 2024, 15:52

            Your fix doesn’t fix anything at all, today Red Bull couldn’t pit Perez to do it, but there are other races when they could, as long as Perez is behind Norris and can pit and keep top 10, they will do it and there’s nothing this fix can do to stop it.

            You could also argue for going back to the fastest lap giving no points at all, that’s also a fix but one that doesn’t help Lando today.

            Ban the act of having ‘2 teams’ at all which is your point in the first place instead of this rule tweaking nonsense.
            1. 

               Doh
               22nd September 2024, 17:20

               Its pointless in the first place to award a point for fastest lap. It doesn’t mean much. Pole position is worth giving a point much more than FL.
            2. 

               Keith Campbell (@keithedin)
               22nd September 2024, 19:18

               Yes, they could if he can maintain top 10, but most teams in most situations won’t do that because they would lose constructors points, which still matter. It would prevent the vast majority of these cases of low finishing drivers sniping the FL point. Doesn’t have to be to benefit someone for the WDC, it could just be a driver with nothing to play for who pits just to get that fastest lap stat – like we see Alonso often do when he’s running out of the points, and some others too.
            3. 

               Esploratore (@esploratore1)
               24th September 2024, 14:33

               Keith, thinking about it, this year we have the exact situation where imo it makes no sense to pit perez and sacrifice points for a fastest lap: verstappen, without DNF, had the WDC in the bag, and if anything it would be wise to try and get as many points as possible for red bull, because it’s the WCC they seriously risk losing.
            4. 

               Esploratore (@esploratore1)
               24th September 2024, 14:35

               And also let’s not forget: it was likely ricciardo’s last race, I see 2 reasons for ricciardo to go for that fastest lap, 1) to help red bull, and 2) to drive fast for the last time in his career.
            5. 

               Esploratore (@esploratore1)
               24th September 2024, 14:36

               Also a 3rd reason in the fastest lap statistic actually.
      2. 

         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         24th September 2024, 14:31

         I like this idea, would give something to fight for to those drivers and cars that are out of points contention.
4. 

   Edvaldo
   22nd September 2024, 15:19

   Remember when people bashed Tsunoda for leaving the pits with a broken car just to be asked to park the car in the middle of the track to cause a Safety Car to help Max and they said the teams were independent?

   Now Ricciardo running last, for whatever reason decided he wanted to take the FL point from Norris.

   Pathetic showing from Red Bull. They have a 50-something points lead, we all know and we all want Andretti to join, and this supporting team to vanish from the face of the Earth and now they use it in the most despicable way possible. And still, Andretti won’t have the opportunity to join and this team that races for nothing will continue to take a slot.
   1. 

      Nick T.
      22nd September 2024, 15:22

      I think the Tsunoda example is just blatant cheating and should result in major penalties and fines. This was just strategic. Now, if you want to have the discussion of whether it’s fair for one organization to have two teams or have a de facto B-team who they can ask to do the same thing, that’s another question all together.
      1. 

         Edvaldo
         22nd September 2024, 15:35

         Nah, it would be strategic if they asked Perez to do it.

         The teams can’t be “independent” only when it’s convenient. Given that McLaren seems to be the superior car, they might resort to this trick other times in the future and what is 1 point today might be 5 or 6 by the end of the season for a reason that has nothing to do with what the main team does in the track.
         1. 

            Nick T.
            22nd September 2024, 15:41

            I don’t think anyone has EVER believed RB is independent nor are they required to be. I also don’t think RBR will deny they did this to help Max. It’ll be lame if they do.
            1. 

               MichaelN
               22nd September 2024, 17:22

               nor are they required to be.

               They are; the FIA rightly investigated allegations of collusion between two teams after Jerez 1997. While evidence was unable to be found at the time, those involved (among which were David Coulthard and Patrick Head) later admitted that Ron Dennis had indeed reached out to Frank Williams and offered that McLaren would help Williams win the title(s) if in return Williams would help McLaren win a race should the situation to do so present itself. So in Jerez, Villeneuve duly moved over for both McLaren cars to finish 3rd and still clinch the title.

               Also more practically speaking, the F1 Sporting Regulations state that a team may and must run just two cars.
            2. 

               Nick T.
               23rd September 2024, 10:19

               If it was illegal for DR to have taken the fastest lap to help Max, he certainly wouldn’t have told the world that’s why the team did it. Also, in 1990s, the FIA was constantly inventing rules after the fact when they didn’t like something had changed. So, the fact is that JV DID just let the McLarens by without challenging them. There was no rule that TPs couldn’t talk to each other and agree on how they would race each other in order not to compromise each other at the benefit of another team. Mosley would have likely cited some vague catch all term like “unsporting behavior.”
5. 

   Prvn
   22nd September 2024, 15:48

   Ppl in redbull might be evaluating the cost of 2nd WC bt praising Perez performance throughout the season
6. 

   notagrumpyfan
   23rd September 2024, 17:41

   Best of the Rest Championship*:
   1) Haas 509 (HUL 301, MAG 193, BEA 15)
   2) RB 446 (TSU 235, RIC 211)
   3) Alpine 396 (OCO 200, GAS 196)
   4) Williams 338 (ALB 207, SAR 80, COL 51)
   5) Sauber 227 (ZHO 120, BOT 107)

   * regular points structure for bottom 5 teams, incl. FLAP & Sprint points

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