2024 United States Grand Prix race result and championship points

39 comments on “2024 United States Grand Prix race result and championship points”

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   Red Andy (@red-andy)
   20th October 2024, 21:47

   Wow, not often you see Hamilton spin off on his own. Surprised Alonso wasn’t penalised for it.
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      Nick T.
      20th October 2024, 21:49

      He was. +20 seconds
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   Jere (@jerejj)
   20th October 2024, 21:47

   FIA inconsistency stroke again, both went off track, just like with Sainz at the same corner, yet only one led to a penalty.
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      Lee1
      20th October 2024, 21:52

      This is what baffles me. Sainze and verstaooen both go off track no penalties… Verstaooen forces lando off track and also leaves track at exact same corner and lando somehow gets a penalty .. what happens to Mac for forcing him off the track? (Obviously nothing as max can do what he wants)

      How are you allowed to lose control of your car and affect another but not get a penalty?

      The first corner was the same. He clearly left his car staring strait in purpose and he also left the track but that is apparently fine? I can understand leniency at the first corner but when it is clearly a purposeful move the. It is strange ist is simply allowed.

      I am not even sure the sainze verstaooen incident was even referred to the stewards which seems very corrupt.
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         erikje (@erikje)
         20th October 2024, 22:02

         The FIA only punish Max for off track nonsense. They’ll never punish him for his poor race craft.
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            pcxmac (@pcxmac)
            21st October 2024, 0:37

            but if they do, it won’t actually affect his finishing order. It is pretty ridiculous. The Stewards are a bunch of clowns.
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         AlanD
         21st October 2024, 3:29

         Lee, I think the first corner baffles me even more. He obviously knew exactly where Norris was, so he cannot use the excuse that he hadn’t expected the other driver to be there. I’ve just rewatched it and yes, he went in such a straight line that he was off track, and Norris was taking evasive action, not trying to overtake. So to me, either Max deliberately crowded Norris off track, or misjudged his speed into the corner so badly that he couldn’t make the turn, and accidentally crowded Norris off track, but whichever the explanation, his actions forced another driver off track and I don’t know how people can say it was the first corner so it is excusable. First corner tolerance is for when cars are so close that when cars twitch and brake and try to dodge each other when there’s just inches between them, so you get chain reactions and some cars bump. What Max did in turn one today wasn’t a chain reaction, just a decision to take the track away from Norris. I cannot think of any mitigating argument.
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   Robert (@rob8k)
   20th October 2024, 21:48

   How does both cars go off track but only one gets a penalty and its the driver that got forced off that got it. Did the stewards forget the precedent they set earlier in the race when Russell got 5s for forcing a driver off the track. Stewards just rolling a dice for penalties.
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      AlexS
      20th October 2024, 22:07

      Because Norris passed off track, he should have let his car return to the track and make a pass, irrespective of where Verstappen was(on or off).
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         Robert (@rob8k)
         20th October 2024, 22:13

         Off the track cause he was forced off, hard to pass on a track where a car forces you off.
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            AlexS
            20th October 2024, 22:39

            Irrelevant if it was because of Verstappen or not. Don’t pass outside the track.
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   Nick T.
   20th October 2024, 21:48

   Max was getting a bit dirty, but then Lando got dirty too. McLaren was right IMO to tell Lando to keep the position. I disagree with the penalty. Regardless of which way they finished, it was going to be a massive blow for McLaren. They needed to take more points than finishing one position ahead. The stewarding was generally awful.

   Those running on hard got a massive advantage: just look at what happened for Colapinto, George and Lawson.

   Most impressed by Colapinto who scored from 16th starting behind Albon and also got fast lap (edit: just noticed Ocon did a pathetic second to last lap fast lap run).

   Lawson had a good race too, but he had tons of help:
   -the first lap shenanigans and the safety car which allowed him to get a nice heat cycle into his tires for a long run and let him by a bunch of cars without having to race them

   -the cars vying for low points battling tooth and nail and slowing each other down or being put into dirty air behind long runners

   -poor Magnussen needing an ER pit stop and then coming out behind Franco

   But clearly putting Lawson in has been the right move.

   Yuki wasted way too much time trying to keep Perez behind him. You’d think the team would have some sense and tell him that wasn’t his race. Then made himself look silly by complaining and then spinning.

   Aston had a frankly embarrassing weekend. Clearly the 9th fastest car on the grid this weekend. Shows what magic Alonso was to get that sack of crap into Q3.

   Too bad Hamilton spun off. He was looking good for some solid points. I’m sure some will happily crow this is more evidence he’s washed forgetting he just recently won two races.
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      erikje (@erikje)
      20th October 2024, 21:57

      More Hamilton bias I see. He was absolutely dreadful this weekend. Anything higher than a 3 in the driver rating and I’ll be amazed. Very, very poor performance from him. Is he washed? I think so.
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         Nick T.
         20th October 2024, 22:06

         You’re confusing me with DavidBR and a few others. I am no Hamilton super fan. I just have noticed a lot of new people on here saying silly things about Hamilton. Alonso, Hamilton and Max all seem to come in for a wealth of silly cheap shots.
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            pcxmac (@pcxmac)
            21st October 2024, 0:38

            they’re bots.
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         EffWunFan (@cairnsfella)
         21st October 2024, 1:18

         @erikje

         More Hamilton bias I see.

         Where exactly?

         Very, very poor performance from him.

         Anyone arguing that it wasn’t a poor performance would have a hard time justifying there point of view. But then using multiple “very’s” and to suggest he is ‘washed’ without any justification beyond this isn’t bias?
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      t1redmonkey (@t1redmonkey)
      20th October 2024, 22:40

      The Ocon fastest lap made sense to be fair, given the small points differential between Williams and Alpine. But yeah, I guess if this was 2025, that wouldn’t have happened and Colapinto would’ve got it.
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         Nick T.
         21st October 2024, 3:45

         Good point. Sorry. That totally slipped my mind. I retract my statement.
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         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         23rd October 2024, 1:13

         Ohh, true, I was impressed by colapinto temporarily holding fastest lap on a williams not long before the end, didn’t pay attention about ocon.
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   BLS (@brightlampshade)
   20th October 2024, 21:52

   I think anyone who knows F1 knows what happens when you try to overtake around the outside of Max. For whatever reason forcing a driver off the track never applies. Lando isn’t winning any Championships any time soon so he might as well start holding his ground and letting the contact happen when Max does Max, force the stewards hands.

   As for Max, all credit to him. He knows what works and he performs it to perfection.
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      erikje (@erikje)
      20th October 2024, 22:01

      He knows the FIA let him get away with it. That to me is a huge problem. Drivers get penalties for being on the inside, and outside. Yet Max in the exact situations doesn’t even get investigated. It was just as bad in 21.
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      pcxmac (@pcxmac)
      21st October 2024, 0:41

      Yep, he has to make the stewards pay, by de-legitimizing their position. If the stewards are asking drivers to take things in to their own hands, then put someone in the hospital and they are to blame. simple as that. The stewards are indefensible. they have no other meaning but to protect the spectacle, and they know if Max gets stuck behind in traffic, hes toast with that car. What ever changed at the beginning of the season, he clearly doesn’t have the same advantage, and I suspect its more to do with Pirelli than the FIA’s red fishies.
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   kcrossle (@kcrossle)
   20th October 2024, 21:56

   If Lando had not avoided VER and VER caused a collision, then NOR would likely not have lost points today.
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      Lee1
      20th October 2024, 21:59

      Well of course he would. Norris would be out the race and verstaooen would likely have still scored points. Verstaooen has learned like any chav that their actions do not bring consequences. So they keep behaving badly. The apple does not land far from the tree….
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         Nick T.
         20th October 2024, 22:07

         The stewards seem to lack any common sense as usual.
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   AbeyG (@1abe)
   20th October 2024, 22:09

   At this rate, Red Bull will lose 2nd place to Ferrari by the next race in Mexico. Not a great place to do so for Sergio considering he is their weakest link.

   Also noticed that the point difference between the drivers in the top 4 team is between 10-60 points, except for Red Bull where it’s an incredible 204 points difference. I don’t think WCC is as important to Red Bull as the WDC is. Else you wouldnt have Sergio confident enough to say that he will 100% be in the grid next year despite racing with the midfield teams for a good part to the year. He should have been replaced during the summer break.
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      Nick T.
      20th October 2024, 22:14

      Sergio is the best driver on the grid. As we know, RBR are endlessly apologizing to him for his performances which are solely due to not listening to his feedback. So, yeah, Checo yourself before you wrecko yourself.
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      Esploratore (@esploratore1)
      23rd October 2024, 1:16

      He also tends to be relatively bad in mexico, there’s drivers who perform better at their hometrack, like hamilton, prost, etc.; perez isn’t one.
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   An Sionnach
   20th October 2024, 22:30

   I still think they need to look at the rule about lap one incidents. It’s the best lap to get ahead on. Max was driving unnecessarily aggressively at the start, as though he’s the one chasing the championship. Risking damage against Sainz didn’t make sense at all and he could have ended up out of the race. Now that Lando’s destiny is no longer fully in his hands, Max colliding with one of the Ferraris or Mercedes might be his best chance at the championship.

   I may have to correct myself on these as I haven’t re-watched the incidents, but… what the hey. If lap one incidents are investigated, then a penalty for Max versus Lando at the start, one for Sainz versus Max. I was okay with what happened later with Lando. Max defended very well. This brings us to the other problem, which I think RaceFans highlighted: track limits. They need some gravel strips here and then tough stewarding against those who push drivers off over it. Too much passing off the track. I have no comment on the stewarding and may not get the time this week to review all the incidents to form an opinion on it. What I do think is that they should not have their work cut out for them if the track is set up so that going off the track is always slower.

   Great races by Colapinto and Lawson. Colapinto’s defending was excellent. Lawson showed that he could really race against competitive cars. I think this answers some questions about Yuki. Whatever about bad luck with strategy, he looked like a clown moaning about it and then spinning. The Albon bubble is, well… he needs to do better. Who knew the RB and Williams cars were so good? I suspect that the Red Bull teams’ leadership did. Didn’t they agree that RB would get the maximum Red Bull parts they could get this season?

   I think Lewis will be back with fire in his belly next time. Come on, don’t let this get you down!
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      Nick T.
      21st October 2024, 3:56

      Couldn’t agree more. The level of leniency they allow or rather the gulf between how the judge lap 1 versus later laps is far too large, especially if they’re going to be so strict on future laps. IMO, the flexibility was initially intended to excuse minor contact. Not forcing drivers off the road, overtaking off the road, etc. Max pushing Lando off lead to a few innocent drivers behind being balked and losing places.

      Yuki really tripled the pain by his reaction. However, I believe he out qualified Lawson in every single round last season. So, I’m not ready to make any judgements based on one race in which Yuki had an awful strategy and LL was on an ideal strategy and only 3 places behind YS after just a few laps. Judging by their history, including this race, they’ll be well matched. That won’t be a good result for Yuki. Yuki needs to go at least 4-1 in quali from here and 4-1 in the remaining rounds to make it hard for RBR to just pass over him if in fact they decide to drop Perez.
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         Esploratore (@esploratore1)
         23rd October 2024, 1:23

         I’m guessing it will be very difficult for tsunoda and lawson to make a case for themselves for 2025, like you said they should be fairly evenly matched, certainly we shouldn’t see one dominate the other, and then why would one get promoted?

         IMO a better candidate to replace perez is gonna be driving for williams next year (talking about sainz, albon is fine there).
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   Adam (@rocketpanda)
   20th October 2024, 23:12

   Perez’s poor performances have arguably been a large part of why Red Bull’s lost the lead of the constructor’s championship and it really looks like it’s going to cost them 2nd, too. How he’s still got that drive is beyond me, he seems further away from Verstappen than either Gasly or Albon ever were now.
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      pcxmac (@pcxmac)
      21st October 2024, 0:43

      The weird thing is, Checo’s sponsors must really hate the guy, cause they know most people will despise him if hes in that seat next year.
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         Nick T.
         21st October 2024, 3:58

         His sponsors don’t care about hardcore F1 fans. They care about the millions of Mexican fans he has and the money he generates in that market. Checo was weak today, but at least he wasn’t humiliatingly bad.
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    Dane
    20th October 2024, 23:51

    Ferrari look like a legitimate threat for the Constructors title now. They’re almost certainly going to take 2nd off Red Bull the way Perez is going.
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    ChrisJ (@chriju0411)
    21st October 2024, 7:21

    It would be so perfectly appropriate for Red Bull to only finish in 3rd in the WCC with just Verstappen’s point tally enough to stay ahead of Mercedes. You could hardly make it any more obvious just how pointless – literally and figuratevily – Perez’ campaign is. And I see no better way to reward Red Bull for their commitment or reluctance, both for whatever reason.
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       Esploratore (@esploratore1)
       23rd October 2024, 1:26

       Absolutely good point about perez’s uselessness, even my higher school classmates, who don’t always watch full races like we on this site presumably do, are talking about him being “really terrible” this year!

       Having said that, red bull have plenty of money, do they really mind coming 3rd? More wind tunnel next year, more chance to make a better car.
12. 

    notagrumpyfan
    21st October 2024, 10:39

    Best of the Rest Championship*:
    1) Haas 561 (HUL 333, MAG 213, BEA 15)
    2) RB 480 (TSU 249, RIC 211, LAW 20)
    3) Alpine 416 (GAS 210, OCO 206)
    4) Williams 365 (ALB 214, SAR 80, COL 71)
    5) Sauber 232 (ZHO 121, BOT 111)

    * regular points structure for bottom 5 teams, incl. FLAP & Sprint points
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    Bent Bule
    21st October 2024, 15:31

    One thing that baffles a lot me is the way HAAS have treated Kevin Magnussen, especially in 2024. COTA was yet another example of poor choice of strategy.

    I have not sat down and counted the actual number of times, but I have a strong feeling that the number of times the team (read Komatsu) have admitted to have “let KM down” in 2023 and 2024 is excessive. Compared to any other team.
    To me it forms a pattern that is truly scary. Add to it Komatsu made no secret of his admitation for Sebastian Ocon in the period up to the revelation Ocon would be signed for HAAS for 2025. It has lead me to believe the team deliberately have chosen to use KM as a guinea pig for strategies. To support Hülkenberg. As if they were never going to resign KM anyway.

    Admitted, they do heap loads of praise on KM every time he outperforms the car, like when he scored a point less than a second ahead of Alonso. At the same time they are always so very, very, very sorry for “letting KM down”. But afterwards they have not changed the persistent pattern of alternate strategies that have failed. Over and over again.

    To put KM on a two stop strategies on COTA of all places just proves the point for me. The HAAS anno 2024 is a car that is above average performing when it comes to handle tyre degradation. A two stop strategy therefore seems utterly stupid. Especially as KM at COTA drove an “impossible” one stop race to score two points in 2022, in a car that was considered a lot worse at handling tyre degredation than the present car. It is utterly stupid.

    My conclusion: There has been absolutely no support for KM by Komatsu and his apparently highly rated engineer Mark Slade. Typical F1 politics. It is not the first time a driver is set up to underperform. And probably not the last time.

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