Max Verstappen, Red Bull, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

“If you can pass Max safely, take it”: Unheard radio from title rivals’ latest fight

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Max Verstappen and Lando Norris came to blows on-track for the second weekend in a row at the United States Grand Prix.

Their controversial lap 10 clash ultimately meant both drivers spent most of the race well apart from each other, each trying to salvage the best from the time lost early on. Here’s how their races unfolded on their radios.

Verstappen and Norris’ Mexican GP radio messages

Start, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

Verstappen beat pole-winner Carlos Sainz Jnr to turn one and forced him off the track at the exit. When Sainz rejoined in front of him, Verstappen was quick to point out the position should be his, and Sainz duly let him by.

The Safety Car was deployed soon afterwards due to the collision between Yuki Tsunoda and Alexander Albon. Verstappen kept his lead at the restart, but couldn’t shake Sainz off:

Lap: 1/71 VER: 1’45.059, NOR: 1’49.304
Verstappen I was ahead.
Lambiase Yep, understood.
Lap: 6/71 VER: 2’04.357, NOR: 2’01.270
Lambiase Safety Car in pit lane.
Lap: 7/71 VER: 1’21.442, NOR: 1’21.885
Lambiase Think about your bias offset. Currently minus one.
Lambiase So will be mode four, mode four exit turn 11.
Lambiase Gap 1.5.

Lando Norris, Max Verstappen, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

Verstappen offered no defence when Sainz passed him shortly after the restart, but got his elbows out when Norris tried to take second place off him. The stewards took a dim view, eventually handing him a pair of 10-second penalties:

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Lap: 8/71 VER: 1’21.475, NOR: 1’21.724
Lambiase Gap 1.0. Joseph DRS enabled.
Lambiase DRS enabled.
Lambiase Has DRS.
Lap: 9/71 VER: 1’24.027, NOR: 1’22.413
Lambiase Gap 0.8. Joseph Leclerc will have DRS.
Lambiase And mode seven.
Lap: 10/71 VER: 1’24.675, NOR: 1’24.863
Joseph Lando, Max is complaining about a lack of battery so maybe try [message cuts out].
Norris I was ahead the whole way through the corner.
Joseph Understood. We’re looking at it now.
Norris This guy is dangerous. I just had to avoid a crash. It’s the same as last time, mate.
Joseph Yep we’re on it, mate.
Norris I’m going to end up in a wall in a minute.
Norris Yeah, but it’s two different incidents.
Lap: 11/71 VER: 1’21.710, NOR: 1’22.047
Lambiase Inside DRS. Joseph We understand Lando. Two separate incidents. Hamilton will have DRS behind.
Norris Yep. He overtook off the track and pushed off the track.
Joseph Yep. Suggest strat 10.
Joseph Lando the turn eight incident has been noted.

Max Verstappen, Red Bull, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

McLaren kept Norris apprised of the stewards’ decisions on Verstappen’s driving:

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Lap: 12/71 VER: 1’21.712, NOR: 1’21.803
Lambiase Mode six, mode six. Joseph Suggest using left-hand toggle turn one, turn four.
Joseph Push-and-hold available.
Lap: 13/71 VER: 1’21.884, NOR: 1’21.935
Lambiase Gap 1.1. Does not have DRS. Joseph Okay Lando the turn four one has also been noted. And the turn eight one. So both turn eight and turn four are under investigation.
Lap: 14/71 VER: 1’21.758, NOR: 1’21.988
Lambiase So Max, for info, you’ve been given a 10-second penalty for forcing Lando off-track at turn four. So head down. Joseph And so far, Verstappen’s been given a 10-second penalty. I’m not sure which one yet.
Verstappen Ten? That’s quite impressive.
Lambiase There was a lot of whingeing. A lot.
Lap: 15/71 VER: 1’22.051, NOR: 1’22.146
Lambiase Gap at 1.2.
Verstappen My left-rear’s not very good. I don’t know with the others how they look.
Lambiase Understood.
Lap: 16/71 VER: 1’22.080, NOR: 1’21.981
Norris Pace okay I think, just dirty air. A little bit front-limited, high speed.
Joseph Okay mate understood. We’re obviously looking ahead to the Ferraris so if you can pass Max safely, take it.
Lap: 17/71 VER: 1’22.017, NOR: 1’22.332
Norris Yeah. At the moment my tyres don’t feel too good honestly. I think the pace is reasonable. Maybe not as good as the Ferraris.
Joseph Understood. And Lando we think less graining than Friday and your tyres similar to the people ahead.
Lap: 18/71 VER: 1’22.340, NOR: 1’22.271
Verstappen Tyres are running super-hot. Can’t lean on the rear.
Lambiase Understood, same pace as the leader.
Lap: 20/71 VER: 1’22.357, NOR: 1’22.352
Joseph And Lando, Verstappen has been given a second 10-second time penalty.
Lap: 21/71 VER: 1’22.325, NOR: 1’22.137
Norris Tyres still not looking very good.
Joseph Okay, on our end they look consistent for now. Suggest using strat nine.
Lap: 22/71 VER: 1’22.574, NOR: 1’22.311
Lambiase So Max, update: You’ve been given another 10-second time penalty. That’s for leaving the track and gaining an advantage at turn eight. Norris Yeah, I agree. I think my pace is better than him, not the Ferrari. Just dirty air’s too bad.
Lambiase And Lando how’s the balance? We suggest coming up one for the next tyre.
Verstappen How about him then in four? That’s fine then? That’s silly, man.

With 20 seconds of penalties hanging over him, Verstappen was in a risky situation if the Safety Car appeared. More pressingly, his tyres were also fading, so Red Bull brought him in, and Norris finally had some clean air ahead:

Lap: 23/71 VER: 1’22.229, NOR: 1’22.290
Joseph Lando just be careful with that much apex kerb at turn 12.
Lap: 24/71 VER: 1’22.455, NOR: 1’22.062
Joseph Lando push-hold overtake here.
Norris I’ve got DRS, all good.
Joseph Okay.
Lap: 25/71 VER: 1’22.621, NOR: 1’22.535
Lambiase Okay that’s 0.8.
Verstappen My tyres are not holding on, guys. It’s getting hard.
Lap: 26/71 VER: 1’25.562, NOR: 1’22.630
Lambiase 0.7.
Lambiase So Max box and pit confirm, box and pit confirm.
Lambiase Strat 12 in pit lane, Max. Can you switch the engine off, P1 and back to P2. I’ll let you know when to fire up.

Norris followed Verstappen soon afterwards, but his rival’s 20-second penalty meant the McLaren driver didn’t have to worry about dropping behind him:

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Lap: 27/71 VER: 2’01.898, NOR: 1’22.185
Joseph Okay Lando let’s use this clean air. Gap to Leclerc is 6.8, it’ll be plan A, look to extend.
Joseph Last lap Leclerc did a 22.3.
Lap: 28/71 VER: 1’22.325, NOR: 1’22.676
Joseph Lando, minor, white H4 position four. Leclerc struggling a bit, did a 22.7.
Norris Yeah, it’s not much better now for me either, so.
Lap: 29/71 VER: 1’22.280, NOR: 1’22.735
Joseph Lando balance-wise do you think we should add more front wing at the next stop?
Norris Tough to say.
Lap: 30/71 VER: 1’21.252, NOR: 1’26.051
Norris My front-left is really fucked. Think I need to box, it’s getting quite a bit worse.
Joseph Do you want to do it now, Lando? Lando if you think they’re gone, happy to box this lap.
Norris Exit of turn 16
Box now. Lando pit lane.

Lando Norris, McLaren, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

While Verstappen made progress through the midfielders, Norris conserved his pace initially:

Lap: 33/71 VER: 1’21.804, NOR: 1’20.859
Lambiase Okay Max so Hamilton is 6.3 ahead. Joseph And Lando, Sainz also pitted, and we will have to follow the dash.
Lambiase So Colapinto head, pace 22.6. Norris Yeah, I’ve got nothing on my dash. It’s fine, it’s fine.
Lap: 34/71 VER: 1’22.154, NOR: 1’20.881
Verstappen I struggle a lot braking into corners. Just no grip.
Lambiase Understood, Max.
Lap: 36/71 VER: 1’21.803, NOR: 1’20.703
Lambiase So Russell 21.6.
Verstappen Tyres are not working. They don’t grip.
Lap: 37/71 VER: 1’22.440, NOR: 1’21.008
Joseph Lando, when ready, gap to Russell the car behind is 14.3.
Lap: 38/71 VER: 1’21.111, NOR: 1’20.868
Joseph And Lando we’re happy to reduce the amount of [lift-and-coast] into turn one.
Lap: 39/71 VER: 1’21.580, NOR: 1’20.710
Lambiase Okay, so car ahead is Piastri, pace 22.3. Mercedes pace 21.4. Norris What lap time is Charles doing?
Lambiase And happy to reduce [lift-and-coast] into turn 12 as well. Joseph 20.5.

Several drivers briefly wondered if rain was about to hit the track as a shower passed nearby:

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Lap: 40/71 VER: 1’21.448, NOR: 1’20.845
Verstappen It’s getting really dark. Norris Yeah I don’t have his pace at the minute.
Lambiase Nothing going to hit the track at the moment, Max. Joseph His pace is going up and down. Sometimes 20.8, he did a one-off 20.5.
Lap: 41/71 VER: 1’21.712, NOR: 1’20.768
Lambiase That’s 31 laps remaining. Main losses turn three and 12.
Lap: 42/71 VER: 1’21.596, NOR: 1’20.451
Verstappen I have no grip.
Lap: 44/71 VER: 1’21.161, NOR: 1’20.385
Norris What time did he do the last couple of laps?
Joseph The last two, 2.5. Lando the gap to Russell is now 18.
Lap: 45/71 VER: 1’21.266, NOR: 1’20.370
Joseph And Lando there are the smallest of drops in the pit lane but we’re not expecting anything else so don’t worry.
Lap: 46/71 VER: 1’21.284, NOR: 1’20.221
Joseph Just be careful of the high late steer lock in turn seven.
Norris I am.
Lap: 48/71 VER: 1’21.116, NOR: 1’20.443
Norris What time did he do last lap?
Joseph 20.5, same as you.

Charles Leclerc, Ferrari, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

Norris began to close on Leclerc but both drivers encountered delays in traffic as they picked their way past Franco Colapinto, Liam Lawson and Lance Stroll:

Lap: 49/71 VER: 1’21.052, NOR: 1’20.638
Joseph Lando purple default four nine please. He did a 20.6. Minor purple C3 position three.
Norris Yeah, I need a backmarker out the way.
Lap: 50/71 VER: 1’21.023, NOR: 1’20.545
Lambiase Press and hold the overtake, Max. Three seconds. Joseph So Lando those changes we made was such that you could use more fuel. We’re happy from a tyre perspective so less [lift and coast] is okay. The dash will update next time around.
Lap: 51/71 VER: 1’21.160, NOR: 1’20.405
Norris Yeah I’m just losing now.
Joseph I know. We can’t do anything unless you get close enough.
Joseph 15 laps complete, Max, 21 remaining.
Lap: 52/71 VER: 1’21.119, NOR: 1’20.474
Joseph Suggest left-hand paddle through the high speed.
Lap: 54/71 VER: 1’21.218, NOR: 1’20.667
Norris I don’t know what to do. It’s just ruining my race now. I know I have to get closer, but I can’t.
Lap: 55/71 VER: 1’20.995, NOR: 1’20.398
Joseph Lando his pace is dropping back. Suggest we use some battery in order to get the blue flags.
Joseph And minor, white H4, position five.
Lap: 56/71 VER: 1’21.013, NOR: 1’20.509
Lambiase Engine eight, position 12. Engine eight, position 12.
Lap: 57/71 VER: 1’20.902, NOR: 1’20.271
Lambiase Engine nine position one. Engine nine position one. Joseph Colapinto is being a bit naughty. Push and hold overtake.
Lambiase Engine 11 position five. Engine 11 position five.
Lambiase Strat 11 when you can, strat 11.
Lap: 59/71 VER: 1’21.091, NOR: 1’20.163
Joseph Push-hold for DRS.

Over the final third of the race Verstappen was lapping by himself with no realistic chance of catching the Mercedes drivers ahead, even as they lost time fighting each other.

Norris was spared a fight with Leclerc over second place as the Ferrari driver suffered a snap of oversteer at turn 17 on lap 62 and skidded wide, an incident which passed without comment:

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Lap: 60/71 VER: 1’21.052, NOR: 1’20.272
Lambiase Minor, white H2 position one, white H2 position one. That’s attack-defend.
Lap: 61/71 VER: 1’21.332, NOR: 1’20.045
Lambiase So Max reduce the lift-and-coast. Struggling for rear surface temp.
Lap: 64/71 VER: 1’21.160, NOR: 1’20.494
Joseph Looks like the wind speed has increased a bit. Sainz is 7.8, he did a 20.5.
Lap: 65/71 VER: 1’21.247, NOR: 1’20.194
Lambiase And you can push the bias rearward as another click if you need to. Joseph Lando minor, white H2 position three, white H2 position three. So that’s the standard deployment.

Norris held the fastest lap at one stage, then lost it to Lawson, and finally Leclerc pitted to ensure he claimed the bonus point.

Lap: 66/71 VER: 1’21.257, NOR: 1’20.274
Lambiase So six laps remaining. Gap behind 4.9. Joseph Five laps to go. Just be careful with that much kerb in turn four.
Joseph Sorry Lando correction, it’s five laps after this one, my bad.
Lap: 67/71 VER: 1’21.197, NOR: 1’19.972
Joseph Potential debris turn 12 to turn 13. Not sure where. And Lando there is also debris turn two to turn three off-line. For your awareness you currently have the fastest lap.
Lap: 71/71 VER: 1’21.570, NOR: 1’20.363
Lambiase This is the final lap. Joseph Lando you can use push-and-hold overtake if you want but Leclerc has pitted to try it.
Joseph Exit turn three
Push and hold here.

Lando Norris, McLaren, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez, 2024

Having said little over the second half of the race, Verstappen reiterated his concern over his car’s pace, while team principal Christian Horner came on his radio to commiserate:

Chequered flag
Lambiase Fail 84 please Max. Hard luck. We’ll have a look at that, particularly that second stint. Joseph Lando keep recharge off. White H11 position 12. White H11 position 12. Well done, mate.
Verstappen Yeah the medium as well felt really shocking. Norris Yeah. Couldn’t have asked for a lot more. It was a good race. Just, yeah, interesting one. Well done, good points everyone, thank you.
Horner A frustrating race today, Max, but you gave it everything. And I thought the penalties were definitely on the harsher side. Joseph And Lando you will stop the car at turn 13, there will be boards waiting for you there.

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16 comments on ““If you can pass Max safely, take it”: Unheard radio from title rivals’ latest fight”

  1. Only way to make a safe pass on Max is to use DRS, and put it in front of him at the braking zone. Otherwise, he’ll brake late and run wide off the track.

    1. safe and max dont come/fit together too often. this guys has been enabled for years dont think maturity comes naturally by age.

  2. One or two drivers could do with being as smart as Carlos Sainz. Max got a great start, was in a position to pull off a strong and brave racers overtake on Carlos and used all of the circuit to do so. Carlos being the smart racer that he is held on as long as he could before bailing out, rejoining in the lead and when convenient to him handing the place back to Max. He then set about using his clear pace advantage to overtake Max a few laps later and go on to win the race.

  3. I’d argue that only Lewis and Feranando can outdo Max and that of course assumes they have the car.

    Sainz is actually the next one – as when he’s on his game, he’s a natural attacker.

    The rest are nowhere near. That’s because they are modern ‘woke’ drivers coming up against someone with the cunning of streetwise fighter, who would have been box office against Senna (they’d basically have taken each other out every race!!)

    1. What on earth is a ‘woke’ driver?

    2. I’m not quite sure about your diagnosis of the other drivers, but there are a fair few of them who don’t know much beyond hot laps and DRS passes. Alonso and Max are the ones who’ve demonstrated that they can race. Sainz can be clumsy in attack and defence sometimes and end up looking a bit like Pérez, blaming everyone else. Russell is also not to be messed with as he does stupid things. Kevin… can be good. There was one example earlier in the year where Lewis came at him and he gave as good as he got until he got the penalty for not moving over! I think Leclerc may be developing more than just his race pace. Let’s see what happens if Max tries to shove him aside again in Vegas. Lewis… there are too many crashes. I can suggest the fix for the slow Mercedes car. It’s because it’s built like a tank so that Lewis and George don’t get any damage when they hit things. Once they work out how to reinforce the car so it can survive contact with the wall, George will be world champion!

      Other than Alonso and Max, I’d say that Piastri, Colapinto and Lawson look the feistiest, and they’re young. Lawson might be a bit more measured than the others, but time will tell.

      Max got it wrong this time around, but generally when he makes his move it works out, even when he’s ridiculously far behind. Above everyone else on the grid, he seems the most able in calculating everything to inch perfection, pulling off moves that would end up in clumsy crashes for others. Still, there are things even he cannot do and should not even try, like the second move on Lando in Mexico, which was a joke. It’s interesting to see the narrative this week. Much of the complaining about Max trawls through a list of technically legal moves. What is the problem, then? Should he move over to let your favourite driver by? I’d like to see Lando do it this year even though if everyone was in the same car, Max would be in another league than everyone else. Lando’s done well and improved over the year. He’s been the next best combination of car and driver, and may be the best after the next few races. It doesn’t matter if that combination has more car than driver in it. That’s the way it is. Lando is definitely the best McLaren driver this year!

      1. +1 for this analysis.

        there are a fair few of them who don’t know much beyond hot laps and DRS passes.

        this is what bothers me most in F1. The majority of the field is like this, growing up in the processional Mercedes era.

        Much of the complaining about Max trawls through a list of technically legal moves. What is the problem, then? Should he move over to let your favourite driver by?

        I wonder the same. It hasn’t got anything to do with his racing, it’s that people don’t like him because he stopped the impressive Lewis streak and because he is not British.

        Max got it wrong this time around, but generally when he makes his move it works out

        You are right and I think it is plain disrespectful and testimony of poor insight into F1 to not be able to balance this vs the mistakes that of course also do occur from time to time.

    3. I also would like to know what a “woke” driver is. Is that someone who got up early and is very fresh?

      1. @dontme

        I would argue that these are traits that people with those belief tend to have:
        – Victim mentality
        – Expecting to go through life unchallenged (in the context of F1: DRS passes and people moving aside)
        – Expecting an authority to solve problems for them
        – Very sensitive to criticism
        – Emotionally unstable

    4. Kenneth Jefferson
      30th October 2024, 2:59

      Max is basically schmachmer 2.0 he drives exactly like him Mike wrecked quite a few cars in his day also with the same divebomb get outta my way move they’re both fast & reckless with little patience for other drivers

    5. If Sainz and Hamilton are so great, why are they behind their teammates in the driver standings?

      1. Go check again.

  4. “and he gave as good as he got until he got the penalty for not moving over!”
    He got a penalty for driving himself and Hamilton off the road. That’s not racing, that’s cheating. He himself said he deserved every penalty.

    “Much of the complaining about Max trawls through a list of technically legal moves.”
    It’s not technicaly legal to drive other cars of the road on purpose. It’s never been legal and it never will be legal. It’s also not legal to defend with your car off track.

    1. You are putting words in my mouth. I do not like seeing foul play by anyone – Senna, Schumacher, Max or anyone else. Senna gets a blank cheque from many even though he was the worst of the three. In Michael and Max’s case, a lot of the animosity goes beyond what they do on track.

      1. Norris should complain less and race harder.

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