Max Verstappen and Lando Norris came to blows on-track for the second weekend in a row at the United States Grand Prix.
Their controversial lap 10 clash ultimately meant both drivers spent most of the race well apart from each other, each trying to salvage the best from the time lost early on. Here’s how their races unfolded on their radios.
Verstappen and Norris’ Mexican GP radio messages
Verstappen beat pole-winner Carlos Sainz Jnr to turn one and forced him off the track at the exit. When Sainz rejoined in front of him, Verstappen was quick to point out the position should be his, and Sainz duly let him by.
The Safety Car was deployed soon afterwards due to the collision between Yuki Tsunoda and Alexander Albon. Verstappen kept his lead at the restart, but couldn’t shake Sainz off:
Lap: 1/71 VER: 1’45.059, NOR: 1’49.304 |
Verstappen |
I was ahead. |
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Lambiase |
Yep, understood. |
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Lap: 6/71 VER: 2’04.357, NOR: 2’01.270 |
Lambiase |
Safety Car in pit lane. |
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Lap: 7/71 VER: 1’21.442, NOR: 1’21.885 |
Lambiase |
Think about your bias offset. Currently minus one. |
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Lambiase |
So will be mode four, mode four exit turn 11. |
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Lambiase |
Gap 1.5. |
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Verstappen offered no defence when Sainz passed him shortly after the restart, but got his elbows out when Norris tried to take second place off him. The stewards took a dim view, eventually handing him a pair of 10-second penalties:
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Lap: 8/71 VER: 1’21.475, NOR: 1’21.724 |
Lambiase |
Gap 1.0. |
Joseph |
DRS enabled. |
Lambiase |
DRS enabled. |
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Lambiase |
Has DRS. |
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Lap: 9/71 VER: 1’24.027, NOR: 1’22.413 |
Lambiase |
Gap 0.8. |
Joseph |
Leclerc will have DRS. |
Lambiase |
And mode seven. |
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Lap: 10/71 VER: 1’24.675, NOR: 1’24.863 |
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Joseph |
Lando, Max is complaining about a lack of battery so maybe try [message cuts out]. |
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Norris |
I was ahead the whole way through the corner. |
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Joseph |
Understood. We’re looking at it now. |
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Norris |
This guy is dangerous. I just had to avoid a crash. It’s the same as last time, mate. |
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Joseph |
Yep we’re on it, mate. |
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Norris |
I’m going to end up in a wall in a minute. |
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Norris |
Yeah, but it’s two different incidents. |
Lap: 11/71 VER: 1’21.710, NOR: 1’22.047 |
Lambiase |
Inside DRS. |
Joseph |
We understand Lando. Two separate incidents. Hamilton will have DRS behind. |
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Norris |
Yep. He overtook off the track and pushed off the track. |
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Joseph |
Yep. Suggest strat 10. |
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Joseph |
Lando the turn eight incident has been noted. |
McLaren kept Norris apprised of the stewards’ decisions on Verstappen’s driving:
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Lap: 12/71 VER: 1’21.712, NOR: 1’21.803 |
Lambiase |
Mode six, mode six. |
Joseph |
Suggest using left-hand toggle turn one, turn four. |
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Joseph |
Push-and-hold available. |
Lap: 13/71 VER: 1’21.884, NOR: 1’21.935 |
Lambiase |
Gap 1.1. Does not have DRS. |
Joseph |
Okay Lando the turn four one has also been noted. And the turn eight one. So both turn eight and turn four are under investigation. |
Lap: 14/71 VER: 1’21.758, NOR: 1’21.988 |
Lambiase |
So Max, for info, you’ve been given a 10-second penalty for forcing Lando off-track at turn four. So head down. |
Joseph |
And so far, Verstappen’s been given a 10-second penalty. I’m not sure which one yet. |
Verstappen |
Ten? That’s quite impressive. |
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Lambiase |
There was a lot of whingeing. A lot. |
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Lap: 15/71 VER: 1’22.051, NOR: 1’22.146 |
Lambiase |
Gap at 1.2. |
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Verstappen |
My left-rear’s not very good. I don’t know with the others how they look. |
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Lambiase |
Understood. |
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Lap: 16/71 VER: 1’22.080, NOR: 1’21.981 |
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Norris |
Pace okay I think, just dirty air. A little bit front-limited, high speed. |
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Joseph |
Okay mate understood. We’re obviously looking ahead to the Ferraris so if you can pass Max safely, take it. |
Lap: 17/71 VER: 1’22.017, NOR: 1’22.332 |
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Norris |
Yeah. At the moment my tyres don’t feel too good honestly. I think the pace is reasonable. Maybe not as good as the Ferraris. |
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Joseph |
Understood. And Lando we think less graining than Friday and your tyres similar to the people ahead. |
Lap: 18/71 VER: 1’22.340, NOR: 1’22.271 |
Verstappen |
Tyres are running super-hot. Can’t lean on the rear. |
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Lambiase |
Understood, same pace as the leader. |
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Lap: 20/71 VER: 1’22.357, NOR: 1’22.352 |
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Joseph |
And Lando, Verstappen has been given a second 10-second time penalty. |
Lap: 21/71 VER: 1’22.325, NOR: 1’22.137 |
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Norris |
Tyres still not looking very good. |
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Joseph |
Okay, on our end they look consistent for now. Suggest using strat nine. |
Lap: 22/71 VER: 1’22.574, NOR: 1’22.311 |
Lambiase |
So Max, update: You’ve been given another 10-second time penalty. That’s for leaving the track and gaining an advantage at turn eight. |
Norris |
Yeah, I agree. I think my pace is better than him, not the Ferrari. Just dirty air’s too bad. |
Lambiase |
And Lando how’s the balance? We suggest coming up one for the next tyre. |
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Verstappen |
How about him then in four? That’s fine then? That’s silly, man. |
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With 20 seconds of penalties hanging over him, Verstappen was in a risky situation if the Safety Car appeared. More pressingly, his tyres were also fading, so Red Bull brought him in, and Norris finally had some clean air ahead:
Lap: 23/71 VER: 1’22.229, NOR: 1’22.290 |
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Joseph |
Lando just be careful with that much apex kerb at turn 12. |
Lap: 24/71 VER: 1’22.455, NOR: 1’22.062 |
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Joseph |
Lando push-hold overtake here. |
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Norris |
I’ve got DRS, all good. |
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Joseph |
Okay. |
Lap: 25/71 VER: 1’22.621, NOR: 1’22.535 |
Lambiase |
Okay that’s 0.8. |
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Verstappen |
My tyres are not holding on, guys. It’s getting hard. |
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Lap: 26/71 VER: 1’25.562, NOR: 1’22.630 |
Lambiase |
0.7. |
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Lambiase |
So Max box and pit confirm, box and pit confirm. |
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Lambiase |
Strat 12 in pit lane, Max. Can you switch the engine off, P1 and back to P2. I’ll let you know when to fire up. |
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Norris followed Verstappen soon afterwards, but his rival’s 20-second penalty meant the McLaren driver didn’t have to worry about dropping behind him:
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Lap: 27/71 VER: 2’01.898, NOR: 1’22.185 |
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Joseph |
Okay Lando let’s use this clean air. Gap to Leclerc is 6.8, it’ll be plan A, look to extend. |
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Joseph |
Last lap Leclerc did a 22.3. |
Lap: 28/71 VER: 1’22.325, NOR: 1’22.676 |
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Joseph |
Lando, minor, white H4 position four. Leclerc struggling a bit, did a 22.7. |
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Norris |
Yeah, it’s not much better now for me either, so. |
Lap: 29/71 VER: 1’22.280, NOR: 1’22.735 |
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Joseph |
Lando balance-wise do you think we should add more front wing at the next stop? |
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Norris |
Tough to say. |
Lap: 30/71 VER: 1’21.252, NOR: 1’26.051 |
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Norris |
My front-left is really fucked. Think I need to box, it’s getting quite a bit worse. |
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Joseph |
Do you want to do it now, Lando? Lando if you think they’re gone, happy to box this lap. |
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Norris |
Exit of turn 16 Box now. Lando pit lane. |
While Verstappen made progress through the midfielders, Norris conserved his pace initially:
Lap: 33/71 VER: 1’21.804, NOR: 1’20.859 |
Lambiase |
Okay Max so Hamilton is 6.3 ahead. |
Joseph |
And Lando, Sainz also pitted, and we will have to follow the dash. |
Lambiase |
So Colapinto head, pace 22.6. |
Norris |
Yeah, I’ve got nothing on my dash. It’s fine, it’s fine. |
Lap: 34/71 VER: 1’22.154, NOR: 1’20.881 |
Verstappen |
I struggle a lot braking into corners. Just no grip. |
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Lambiase |
Understood, Max. |
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Lap: 36/71 VER: 1’21.803, NOR: 1’20.703 |
Lambiase |
So Russell 21.6. |
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Verstappen |
Tyres are not working. They don’t grip. |
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Lap: 37/71 VER: 1’22.440, NOR: 1’21.008 |
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Joseph |
Lando, when ready, gap to Russell the car behind is 14.3. |
Lap: 38/71 VER: 1’21.111, NOR: 1’20.868 |
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Joseph |
And Lando we’re happy to reduce the amount of [lift-and-coast] into turn one. |
Lap: 39/71 VER: 1’21.580, NOR: 1’20.710 |
Lambiase |
Okay, so car ahead is Piastri, pace 22.3. Mercedes pace 21.4. |
Norris |
What lap time is Charles doing? |
Lambiase |
And happy to reduce [lift-and-coast] into turn 12 as well. |
Joseph |
20.5. |
Several drivers briefly wondered if rain was about to hit the track as a shower passed nearby:
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Lap: 40/71 VER: 1’21.448, NOR: 1’20.845 |
Verstappen |
It’s getting really dark. |
Norris |
Yeah I don’t have his pace at the minute. |
Lambiase |
Nothing going to hit the track at the moment, Max. |
Joseph |
His pace is going up and down. Sometimes 20.8, he did a one-off 20.5. |
Lap: 41/71 VER: 1’21.712, NOR: 1’20.768 |
Lambiase |
That’s 31 laps remaining. Main losses turn three and 12. |
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Lap: 42/71 VER: 1’21.596, NOR: 1’20.451 |
Verstappen |
I have no grip. |
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Lap: 44/71 VER: 1’21.161, NOR: 1’20.385 |
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Norris |
What time did he do the last couple of laps? |
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Joseph |
The last two, 2.5. Lando the gap to Russell is now 18. |
Lap: 45/71 VER: 1’21.266, NOR: 1’20.370 |
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Joseph |
And Lando there are the smallest of drops in the pit lane but we’re not expecting anything else so don’t worry. |
Lap: 46/71 VER: 1’21.284, NOR: 1’20.221 |
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Joseph |
Just be careful of the high late steer lock in turn seven. |
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Norris |
I am. |
Lap: 48/71 VER: 1’21.116, NOR: 1’20.443 |
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Norris |
What time did he do last lap? |
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Joseph |
20.5, same as you. |
Norris began to close on Leclerc but both drivers encountered delays in traffic as they picked their way past Franco Colapinto, Liam Lawson and Lance Stroll:
Lap: 49/71 VER: 1’21.052, NOR: 1’20.638 |
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Joseph |
Lando purple default four nine please. He did a 20.6. Minor purple C3 position three. |
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Norris |
Yeah, I need a backmarker out the way. |
Lap: 50/71 VER: 1’21.023, NOR: 1’20.545 |
Lambiase |
Press and hold the overtake, Max. Three seconds. |
Joseph |
So Lando those changes we made was such that you could use more fuel. We’re happy from a tyre perspective so less [lift and coast] is okay. The dash will update next time around. |
Lap: 51/71 VER: 1’21.160, NOR: 1’20.405 |
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Norris |
Yeah I’m just losing now. |
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Joseph |
I know. We can’t do anything unless you get close enough. |
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Joseph |
15 laps complete, Max, 21 remaining. |
Lap: 52/71 VER: 1’21.119, NOR: 1’20.474 |
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Joseph |
Suggest left-hand paddle through the high speed. |
Lap: 54/71 VER: 1’21.218, NOR: 1’20.667 |
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Norris |
I don’t know what to do. It’s just ruining my race now. I know I have to get closer, but I can’t. |
Lap: 55/71 VER: 1’20.995, NOR: 1’20.398 |
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Joseph |
Lando his pace is dropping back. Suggest we use some battery in order to get the blue flags. |
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Joseph |
And minor, white H4, position five. |
Lap: 56/71 VER: 1’21.013, NOR: 1’20.509 |
Lambiase |
Engine eight, position 12. Engine eight, position 12. |
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Lap: 57/71 VER: 1’20.902, NOR: 1’20.271 |
Lambiase |
Engine nine position one. Engine nine position one. |
Joseph |
Colapinto is being a bit naughty. Push and hold overtake. |
Lambiase |
Engine 11 position five. Engine 11 position five. |
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Lambiase |
Strat 11 when you can, strat 11. |
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Lap: 59/71 VER: 1’21.091, NOR: 1’20.163 |
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Joseph |
Push-hold for DRS. |
Over the final third of the race Verstappen was lapping by himself with no realistic chance of catching the Mercedes drivers ahead, even as they lost time fighting each other.
Norris was spared a fight with Leclerc over second place as the Ferrari driver suffered a snap of oversteer at turn 17 on lap 62 and skidded wide, an incident which passed without comment:
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Lap: 60/71 VER: 1’21.052, NOR: 1’20.272 |
Lambiase |
Minor, white H2 position one, white H2 position one. That’s attack-defend. |
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Lap: 61/71 VER: 1’21.332, NOR: 1’20.045 |
Lambiase |
So Max reduce the lift-and-coast. Struggling for rear surface temp. |
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Lap: 64/71 VER: 1’21.160, NOR: 1’20.494 |
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Joseph |
Looks like the wind speed has increased a bit. Sainz is 7.8, he did a 20.5. |
Lap: 65/71 VER: 1’21.247, NOR: 1’20.194 |
Lambiase |
And you can push the bias rearward as another click if you need to. |
Joseph |
Lando minor, white H2 position three, white H2 position three. So that’s the standard deployment. |
Norris held the fastest lap at one stage, then lost it to Lawson, and finally Leclerc pitted to ensure he claimed the bonus point.
Lap: 66/71 VER: 1’21.257, NOR: 1’20.274 |
Lambiase |
So six laps remaining. Gap behind 4.9. |
Joseph |
Five laps to go. Just be careful with that much kerb in turn four. |
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Joseph |
Sorry Lando correction, it’s five laps after this one, my bad. |
Lap: 67/71 VER: 1’21.197, NOR: 1’19.972 |
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Joseph |
Potential debris turn 12 to turn 13. Not sure where. And Lando there is also debris turn two to turn three off-line. For your awareness you currently have the fastest lap. |
Lap: 71/71 VER: 1’21.570, NOR: 1’20.363 |
Lambiase |
This is the final lap. |
Joseph |
Lando you can use push-and-hold overtake if you want but Leclerc has pitted to try it. |
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Joseph |
Exit turn three Push and hold here. |
Having said little over the second half of the race, Verstappen reiterated his concern over his car’s pace, while team principal Christian Horner came on his radio to commiserate:
Chequered flag |
Lambiase |
Fail 84 please Max. Hard luck. We’ll have a look at that, particularly that second stint. |
Joseph |
Lando keep recharge off. White H11 position 12. White H11 position 12. Well done, mate. |
Verstappen |
Yeah the medium as well felt really shocking. |
Norris |
Yeah. Couldn’t have asked for a lot more. It was a good race. Just, yeah, interesting one. Well done, good points everyone, thank you. |
Horner |
A frustrating race today, Max, but you gave it everything. And I thought the penalties were definitely on the harsher side. |
Joseph |
And Lando you will stop the car at turn 13, there will be boards waiting for you there. |
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Edvaldo
29th October 2024, 15:09
Only way to make a safe pass on Max is to use DRS, and put it in front of him at the braking zone. Otherwise, he’ll brake late and run wide off the track.
mystic one (@mysticus)
29th October 2024, 18:14
safe and max dont come/fit together too often. this guys has been enabled for years dont think maturity comes naturally by age.
Mr B
29th October 2024, 15:41
One or two drivers could do with being as smart as Carlos Sainz. Max got a great start, was in a position to pull off a strong and brave racers overtake on Carlos and used all of the circuit to do so. Carlos being the smart racer that he is held on as long as he could before bailing out, rejoining in the lead and when convenient to him handing the place back to Max. He then set about using his clear pace advantage to overtake Max a few laps later and go on to win the race.
Broderick Harper (@banbrorace)
29th October 2024, 21:54
I’d argue that only Lewis and Feranando can outdo Max and that of course assumes they have the car.
Sainz is actually the next one – as when he’s on his game, he’s a natural attacker.
The rest are nowhere near. That’s because they are modern ‘woke’ drivers coming up against someone with the cunning of streetwise fighter, who would have been box office against Senna (they’d basically have taken each other out every race!!)
User463
29th October 2024, 23:19
What on earth is a ‘woke’ driver?
An Sionnach
29th October 2024, 23:29
I’m not quite sure about your diagnosis of the other drivers, but there are a fair few of them who don’t know much beyond hot laps and DRS passes. Alonso and Max are the ones who’ve demonstrated that they can race. Sainz can be clumsy in attack and defence sometimes and end up looking a bit like Pérez, blaming everyone else. Russell is also not to be messed with as he does stupid things. Kevin… can be good. There was one example earlier in the year where Lewis came at him and he gave as good as he got until he got the penalty for not moving over! I think Leclerc may be developing more than just his race pace. Let’s see what happens if Max tries to shove him aside again in Vegas. Lewis… there are too many crashes. I can suggest the fix for the slow Mercedes car. It’s because it’s built like a tank so that Lewis and George don’t get any damage when they hit things. Once they work out how to reinforce the car so it can survive contact with the wall, George will be world champion!
Other than Alonso and Max, I’d say that Piastri, Colapinto and Lawson look the feistiest, and they’re young. Lawson might be a bit more measured than the others, but time will tell.
Max got it wrong this time around, but generally when he makes his move it works out, even when he’s ridiculously far behind. Above everyone else on the grid, he seems the most able in calculating everything to inch perfection, pulling off moves that would end up in clumsy crashes for others. Still, there are things even he cannot do and should not even try, like the second move on Lando in Mexico, which was a joke. It’s interesting to see the narrative this week. Much of the complaining about Max trawls through a list of technically legal moves. What is the problem, then? Should he move over to let your favourite driver by? I’d like to see Lando do it this year even though if everyone was in the same car, Max would be in another league than everyone else. Lando’s done well and improved over the year. He’s been the next best combination of car and driver, and may be the best after the next few races. It doesn’t matter if that combination has more car than driver in it. That’s the way it is. Lando is definitely the best McLaren driver this year!
Mayrton
30th October 2024, 7:18
+1 for this analysis.
this is what bothers me most in F1. The majority of the field is like this, growing up in the processional Mercedes era.
I wonder the same. It hasn’t got anything to do with his racing, it’s that people don’t like him because he stopped the impressive Lewis streak and because he is not British.
You are right and I think it is plain disrespectful and testimony of poor insight into F1 to not be able to balance this vs the mistakes that of course also do occur from time to time.
Tom
30th October 2024, 8:04
+1 also
Addme (@dontme)
30th October 2024, 1:19
I also would like to know what a “woke” driver is. Is that someone who got up early and is very fresh?
Ludewig
31st October 2024, 8:55
@dontme
I would argue that these are traits that people with those belief tend to have:
– Victim mentality
– Expecting to go through life unchallenged (in the context of F1: DRS passes and people moving aside)
– Expecting an authority to solve problems for them
– Very sensitive to criticism
– Emotionally unstable
Kenneth Jefferson
30th October 2024, 2:59
Max is basically schmachmer 2.0 he drives exactly like him Mike wrecked quite a few cars in his day also with the same divebomb get outta my way move they’re both fast & reckless with little patience for other drivers
Patrick (@paeschli)
30th October 2024, 8:19
If Sainz and Hamilton are so great, why are they behind their teammates in the driver standings?
ChrisJ (@chriju0411)
30th October 2024, 11:50
Go check again.
RUTH222
30th October 2024, 1:07
“and he gave as good as he got until he got the penalty for not moving over!”
He got a penalty for driving himself and Hamilton off the road. That’s not racing, that’s cheating. He himself said he deserved every penalty.
“Much of the complaining about Max trawls through a list of technically legal moves.”
It’s not technicaly legal to drive other cars of the road on purpose. It’s never been legal and it never will be legal. It’s also not legal to defend with your car off track.
An Sionnach
30th October 2024, 3:40
You are putting words in my mouth. I do not like seeing foul play by anyone – Senna, Schumacher, Max or anyone else. Senna gets a blank cheque from many even though he was the worst of the three. In Michael and Max’s case, a lot of the animosity goes beyond what they do on track.
Mqrkos
30th October 2024, 8:59
Norris should complain less and race harder.