Hamilton stays quickest in Las Vegas as red flag disrupts rivals’ runs

22 comments on “Hamilton stays quickest in Las Vegas as red flag disrupts rivals’ runs”

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   Jere (@jerejj)
   22nd November 2024, 7:42

   The red flag deployment could’ve & should’ve been immediate once again or happened at least 10 seconds sooner, so as I expected based on the Macau GP, nothing has change regarding neutralization deployment timings relative to when something happens.
   1. 

      SteveP
      22nd November 2024, 8:27

      The red flag deployment could’ve & should’ve been immediate once again or happened at least 10 seconds sooner

      Consider how many screens would be required to have all possible crash/incident sites on view at once, scale back to what they have, then define your expectation of “immediate”
      1. 

         Jere (@jerejj)
         22nd November 2024, 8:53

         Race control has lots of CCTV footage to use alongside the world feed coverage, so whenever they notice a stopped car that clearly isn’t moving anywhere, they should immediately at that point deploy rather than wait several ten seconds or over a minute, etc.
         The deployments should always at least happen within ten seconds of something happening or noticing for the first time.
         1. 

            SteveP
            22nd November 2024, 9:23

            The deployments should always at least happen within ten seconds of something happening or noticing for the first time.

            You used that word “immediately” again, but then you qualified with “within ten seconds” and then went loose/woolly with …”or noticing for the first time” so I think you see what I’m getting at.

            Incident –> delay until trackside marshals flag an incident for attention –> small delay to switch views —> delay for assessment by Race Director —> red flag.

            There’s a phrase used in things like H&S legislation: “As soon as is reasonably practicable” that probably fits the situation better than anything saying “immediate”

            Change/changed – could be a typo, could be non-native speaker doing better at English than I do with other languages…
            1. 

               Jere (@jerejj)
               22nd November 2024, 11:02

               SteveP You clearly struggle to interpret correctly or just half-deliberately do so.
               ‘Immediately’ in this context means as soon as possible, i.e., when a stopped car or an incident gets noticed for the first time, be that when it happens or shortly afterwards.

               As for the last point, which is irrelevant for the matter, but indeed only a typo, which somehow happened even though I thought I’d pressed ‘d’
            2. 

               Jere (@jerejj)
               22nd November 2024, 11:07

               People don’t need to make matters unnecessarily complicated, especially when making valid points, & the whole point about being annoyed is something happening recurrently rather than only once or rarely.
            3. 

               SteveP
               22nd November 2024, 13:19

               @Jere

               I wasn’t misinterpreting what you said, I was pointing out that when you say “immediate” you seem to be saying “as soon as possible” in your own mind, but what other people are picturing in their mind is “within a couple of seconds or better” so immediate is the wrong word. The acronym ASAP would be better if you want a short form that is less likely to be misinterpreted.

               Think back to the furore over the red flag that allegedly allowed Leclerc to put Verstappen out of the next phase of qualy because it was “far too longer before it happened” and “allowed others to improve their laps”.
               People said the red flag should have been done “immediately”

               The truth is, Leclerc improved his time less than 2 seconds after Stroll binned his car, so “immediate” as less than 5 seconds wouldn’t have helped. The immediate yellow was not applicable for Leclerc so the time stood.

               As for the last point, which is irrelevant for the matter, but indeed only a typo, which somehow happened even though I thought I’d pressed ‘d’

               Been there, done that, T-shirt fully worn out. Which was my point. We all do it.
               Now, malapropisms I do (mostly) point out.
   2. 

      Jere (@jerejj)
      22nd November 2024, 8:59

      As for my original post, I meant to type ‘changed’
   3. 

      SPArtacus
      22nd November 2024, 15:31

      There shouldn’t be a red flag at all for where Albon was. It should be a local double yellow. Red flags for every car recovery is an incredibly recent and unnecessary thing.
   4. 

      Simon
      22nd November 2024, 22:01

      @jerejj

      “as I expected”

      As usual…
2. 

   Ben
   22nd November 2024, 8:49

   That sounds desperate to make something out of nothing @jerejj

   Are you seriously moaning about 10 seconds in a practice session? Race control don’t know why the car has stopped. If there’s no obvious damage then I’d rather they wait a little to see if the car moves than throwing a knee-jerk red flag which disrupts everyone.
   1. 

      Jere (@jerejj)
      22nd November 2024, 8:59

      Unnecessary delays with red-flagging, even in practice sessions, quite often force someone to drive around again, which wouldn’t have happened if the deployment in question happened even ten seconds sooner, affecting Tsunoda this time around, who had just passed the pit entry, meaning that he could’ve entered on the first opportunity had the red appeared sooner as he would’ve been approaching T14 or just driven through it.
      The same happened with, for example, Hamilton in Baku & Alonso in Interlagos, & Leclerc on one occasion, all of which would’ve also been avoided had the deployment happened at least ten seconds sooner.
      1. 

         Ben
         22nd November 2024, 10:03

         Again, something of nothing.

         Red flags, safety cars, VSC’s will always hurt some drivers more than others.

         If they put the flag out 10 seconds earlier then maybe Tsnoda would be able to pit straight away, but it’s likely another driver would then be impacted if they’d just passed the pit lane entry or rejoined the track or about to set a fast lap time. There’s potentially 20 cars out there, race control can’t time it perfectly for everyone.
         1. 

            Jere (@jerejj)
            22nd November 2024, 10:58

            Ben No other driver would’ve been impacted on these occasions, which I know as I tend to look at the live timing mini track map whenever practice sessions (& sometimes qualifyings) get red-flagged to see where on track everyone is.
      2. 

         notagrumpyfan
         22nd November 2024, 10:33

         You indeed seem to be making something out of nothing.
         Maybe one driver could’ve been spared an extra lap. But when waving the red flag there is no way back and all teams will be impacted.
         There are other flags/tools which can contain a situation until it is absolutely clear that the session needs to be suspended.

         This was not Baku, where it was immediately obvious that the track was litter with debris.
         1. 

            Jere (@jerejj)
            22nd November 2024, 10:59

            notagrumpyfan I wasn’t even referring to the Perez-Sainz collision, which happened in the race rather than practice session, so a different matter.
            1. 

               notagrumpyfan
               22nd November 2024, 12:12

               I didn’t say you were; I just gave you an example when a RD should call a RF immediately!
   2. 

      SteveR (@stever)
      22nd November 2024, 12:57

      Yep, picking at nits….
   3. 

      SPArtacus
      22nd November 2024, 15:34

      Why are we even having red flags at all for something that used to be done under local double yellow anyway? That recovery literally only required the car to be pushed back 10 feet.

      Look on the bright side. Simon, for the first time ever, has a legitimate reason to say something silly to you.
      1. 

         Simon
         22nd November 2024, 22:05

         Yes. Thank you SPArtacus :)
3. 

   ryanoceros (@ryanoceros)
   22nd November 2024, 16:10

   Practice 1 and 2 on thursday night? I didn’t know we had a weird schedule again this weekend. It’s hard to keep up now with all these alternative schedules.
   1. 

      SteveP
      22nd November 2024, 17:57

      Some people allege it is to keep the European audience happy, if that’s true I recommend they sit the clock the right way up.

      My take is that at night, Vegas is bright flashy lights, hiding the daytime grime.
      No one really wants to look at daytime Vegas.

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