The FIA has announced Johnny Herbert will no longer serve on its panel of stewards.
The 60-year-old, who is a three-times grand prix winner, has been a regular member of the FIA’s stewarding panels over the last 15 years. He made his debut in the role during 2010, when ex-drivers were first invited to join the stewards.However Herbert has drawn some criticism for comments made to agencies supplying quotes to media outlets in recent years. He has regularly given quotes to gambling companies who then offer them to media in exchange for promotional links, as when he commented on the controversy surrounding Max Verstappen and Lando Norris’s clash in last year’s Austrian Grand Prix.
The FIA indicated this is part of the reason why it has decided to cease using Herbert as a steward.
“It is with regret that we announce today that Johnny Herbert will no longer fulfil the position of F1 driver steward for the FIA,” it said in a statement.
“Johnny is widely respected and brought invaluable experience and expertise to his role. However, after discussion, it was mutually agreed that his duties as an FIA steward and that of a media pundit were incompatible. We thank him for his service and wish him well in his future endeavours.”
Herbert made his final appearance as a steward at the Brazilian Grand Prix. He served as steward at a third of last year’s rounds, making him the busiest of the FIA’s four driver stewards. The other former drivers who performed the role were Vitantonio Liuzzi, Derek Warwick and Enrique Bernoldi.
Among the notable incidents Herbert was involved in ruling on last year were those involving title contenders Verstappen and Norris in Austria and Mexico. He was also part of the panel which handed Fernando Alonso a 20-second time penalty and three points on his licence for what they called a “potentially dangerous” manoeuvre when he braked twice in front of George Russell in the Australian Grand Prix.
Races Herbert officiated at during 2024
- Australian Grand Prix, Albert Park
- Austrian Grand Prix, Red Bull Ring
- Dutch Grand Prix, Zandvoort
- Italian Grand Prix, Monza
- Azerbaijan Grand Prix, Baku City Circuit
- Singapore Grand Prix, Singapore
- Mexican Grand Prix, Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez
- Brazilian Grand Prix, Interlagos
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J.R. Love (@dermechaniker)
29th January 2025, 10:26
I was wondering when that would catch up with him.
It’s hard to indicate impartiality when you’re quoted by media making partial statements.
With all the recent FIA nonsense reported, perhaps recognizing the need for neutral stewards is a good sign — unless, of course, this is more politics at play. Has Johnny made any comments about the FIA or MBS, lately?
Crawliin-from-the-wreckage- Special Unhinged Edition (@davedai)
29th January 2025, 12:53
Don’t think so ,but whomever uploaded MBS trying to drive the Renault in a straight line may be in a pickle. George, Torge you didn’t did you?
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 14:55
Thank god and beyond time. The fact that you had a guy who had feuded with drivers, blamed one of them for upsetting his wife, constantly criticized a driver in a title fight, called another a social media driver and gave insane penalties without precedent like the 20-second penalty in Australia was insane. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt (and I don’t), just the potential conflict of interest alone should have seen him gone long ago.
Tony Mansell (@tonymansell)
29th January 2025, 15:28
God help anyone who penalises Alonso eh. He’s a pundit he pundits, not a very good one IMHO but thats not relevant to your twisting of what he is supposed to have done. One ludicrous example ‘blamed one of them for upsetting his wife.’ Or as we know it in society, ‘defending your wife’. .
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 16:01
Uh, it wasn’t about penalizing him. It was the fact that he pulled a super random 20-second penalty out of nowhere on an incident that seemed to divide fans and pundits about 65//35 (no penalty/penalty). Had he been given a 5 or 10 second penalty, OK, maybe tough, but not the end of the world. But 20-seconds? For an incident with no contact and which George himself initially didn’t blame Alonso for? Pretty fishy.
Tony Mansell (@tonymansell)
29th January 2025, 16:40
JUST HERBERT did that. No one else in the room? Don’t answer i already have a good idea what you will say, thank you.
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 17:53
Do you have any idea why airlines created crew resource management training, primarily to address power gradients and program out how humans normally form a decision making hierarchy without any conscious decisions? Don’t answer that. I already have a pretty good idea of what you’re going to say. Thank you.
An Sionnach
29th January 2025, 19:59
Yes. If Alonso and Max were footballers what would happen if a referee was vocally criticising them in public all the time. Whatever his talents, refereeing and punditry are not among them… and Michael Schumacher was way better than you, too. Deal with it.
Esploratore (@esploratore1)
29th January 2025, 20:48
For a schumacher team mate at benetton, herbert did respectably, certainly better than others like verstappen, lehto and company.
An Sionnach
29th January 2025, 22:49
I was talking about Herbert’s suggestions that he did not have the same car as Schumacher. It can be hard to accept that someone is that much better than you.
anon
29th January 2025, 19:03
@dermechaniker whilst it’s not immediately obvious if Herbert might have upset either MBS or other senior members of the FIA on a personal level directly, some have wondered if there is something else going on here. There have been some commenting that the FIA has not criticised other figures, or removed them from being a race steward, for being active in the media or for expressing strong personal preferences towards certain drivers (such as Derek Warwick talking about his support for Max Verstappen and Nico Rosberg, or the rather fond way that Vitantonio Liuzzi talked about his friendship with Dietrich Mateschitz).
SteveP
29th January 2025, 20:30
True.
One factor against JH, that doesn’t exist for others, is that Jos hasn’t spent media time criticising them – except under the generic “British Bias” banner.
timber
29th January 2025, 10:35
Good! Long overdue. It is offcourse completely ridiculous to make partial statements as a referee about certain drivers and than at the same time pretend you are neutral.
F1statsfan (@f1statsfan)
29th January 2025, 10:44
Took long enough – Herbert was clearly positively & negatively biased towards certain drivers and it was completely unacceptable that he would continue as a steward.
Last year he questionably influenced certain steward decisions not based on rulebook but based on personal opinion.
Next up – please get ride of MBS – he is destroying the sport.
Craig
29th January 2025, 11:36
I see this and look forwards to the next excuse when this apparent “bias” continues.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
29th January 2025, 11:59
Yeah, I’m sure even with a full panel of non-UK people they’ll think of something. Given he was 1 person on a panel of 3 his ‘bias’ could only ever have gone so far anyway.
I think it’s more a reflection on some people’s inability to judge a situation as a neutral, that they think nobody is capable of it.
Crawliin-from-the-wreckage- Special Unhinged Edition (@davedai)
29th January 2025, 12:33
Uh huh. Fact check required .
And ever seen an “Alpha” have and exert undue influence?
Rightly or wrongly transcripts of stewards meetings are apparently not publicly available,aso there is no way of telling if anyone was pushing a decision in a particular way or whether by and large there was originally general agreement regarding an incident and penalty.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
29th January 2025, 13:38
Ah, you mean ‘opinion check’, as that’s what it was, and so is yours. The lack of transcripts means neither of us can be proven either way, and even then just because someone supports another’s argument doesn’t mean they’ve been influenced by them anyway – a transcript would be unlikely to prove that either way.
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 14:59
What you fail to understand, Craig, is that when a person has routinely insulted, criticized and had literal feuds with those he’s judging, bias is a fact not conjecture whether or not it had anything to do with nationality.
Jack
29th January 2025, 11:00
Took long enough.
The other issue I see is the Sky commentators being used on the World Feed pushing their agendas too.
We often hear them saying things to try and push race control into a certain direction.
Jere (@jerejj)
29th January 2025, 11:53
While I don’t use the Sky coverage as I don’t live in the UK, from the limited British commentary I’ve heard on occasions over the years, I haven’t found them trying to push race control into a certain direction, not that they even could any more than any other broadcaster’s commentary team in the first place.
GT Racer (@gt-racer)
29th January 2025, 16:09
@jerejj
Not the commentary team directly but Sky do have more influence over the direction of F1 than other broadcasters not only because they pay more than others but also because they have a much closer relationship with FOM/Liberty than any of the other broadcasters.
There’s a reason that certain things which people on Sky tend to go on about ends up been discussed in strategy group meetings & similar.
For example the since ditched ban on drivers changing helmet designs during the season came about as a direct result of Sky pushing for it with David Croft heavily banging that drum at every opportunity. And if you go back to I think it was 2017 when FOM were planning to introduce mini-sectors onto the world feed timing graphics it was again Sky & principally David Croft who pushed to get that feature dropped as they didn’t like it.
Other broadcasters are also involved in discussions but Sky absolute have a louder voice than the others.
With regards to the stewards. They don’t listen to any commentary during sessions so won’t be influenced while making decisions. They will however perhaps hear snippets of commentary and discussions after the fact but obviously by that point decisions will have already been made so not have been affected.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
29th January 2025, 12:04
Race control do not pay any attention to the world feed commentary.
UK Sky being used on the world feed is also not their responsibility, they are entitled to put across their opinion on air just like every other nationality of broadcaster and they are no more nationalistic than any other.
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 16:19
This has literally nothing to do with why people think it’s inappropriate for Herbert to steward nor did his comment suggest race control listen to the world feed. So, you’re replying to an assertion that doesn’t exist.
sam
29th January 2025, 17:40
We get it ,you don’t like him.
El Pollo Loco
30th January 2025, 22:48
We get it, you don’t even understand the basic concepts being discussed as it is irrelevant or not whether I like him. But that was an adorable attempt at input.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
30th January 2025, 20:34
What are you on about? It’s comments like this that make me realise how blindfolded some people are in replying. Jacks comments were nothing to do with why it’s inappropriate for JH to be a steward and I was replying to his comments which were specifically to do with UK sky commentators trying to push agendas on the world feed and affecting race control.
“We often hear them saying things to try and push race control into a certain direction” – so how are race control meant to get this information in real-time from the commentators to allow it to affect their decisions then? Telepathy? I mean it must be clear and obvious for you to not have to spell it out, so point out why I’m the one being dim for everyone to have a good laugh at.
El Pollo Loco
1st February 2025, 2:43
When were people calling you dim? That does not seemed to have happened.
Crawliin-from-the-wreckage- Special Unhinged Edition (@davedai)
29th January 2025, 11:50
I’d like to see an “Arnoux” or “Prost” style replacement. Failing that a driver’s steward who is fluent in at least say two of English, French and Spanish.
Not a like for like replacement as it were.
An Sionnach
29th January 2025, 20:35
I would also like to see Prost in there. The man goes to great lengths to be fair, even to his own detriment. The only thing that would put me off the idea is that I’m not sure it’s worth Prost’s time to do such a job.
Arnoux’s duel with Villeneuve is the thing of legend. Has he shared many thoughts on the state of F1 rules recently? I’d guess his attitude would be to let them race.
Knowledge of driving, attention to detail and the impartiality of a(n impartial) judge should be the top qualities for this job. Prost does stand out as the best possible candidate, but then this was the case when he was a driver, too.
Who else? I like it when the British are fair and reckon that Coulthard and Button would be capable (although I don’t think Coulthard would break ties with Red Bull to take the position). Maybe Hakkinen? I suppose he has ties, too. Like Herbert has found, stewards need to step away from conflicts of interest and not make partial public comments. For many high-profile former drivers stewarding would be a step down.
Jere (@jerejj)
29th January 2025, 11:51
How surprising
BasCB (@bascb)
29th January 2025, 11:53
As most others here mention, given that he was so happy to opinionate on drivers for several media all the time, it is good that they stopped having him as a Steward.
David BR (@david-br)
29th January 2025, 12:08
Not sad.
pcxmac (@pcxmac)
29th January 2025, 12:15
All the Verstappen fanboys breathing a sigh of relief as their thoughts go towards 2025 and Max returning to form, running people off the track left and right, and then veering in to them, if they try again after the corner.
Now if only the FIA can ban drivers for a month if they speak poorly about stewards who let Max get away with his abusive driving, the world will be perfect.
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 16:22
Oh god. You’re making this about Max and Lewis again? Of all users, it’s a bit ironic of you to be calling anyone fan “peoples.”
An Sionnach
29th January 2025, 20:37
I expect a fair steward will penalise Max if he does such things and I welcome them to do so. The same goes for Alonso. The thing is that a fair steward will also not penalise them when they haven’t broken the rules, so not everyone will be happy!
Michael (@freelittlebirds)
29th January 2025, 23:06
@pcxmac yeah, pretty much Max and Horner are like the Tr-umps of F1. Free to commit any crime and get away with it unless it has no impact on anything and they agree with their slaves to a tiny infraction.
Michael (@freelittlebirds)
29th January 2025, 23:05
@pcxmac yeah, pretty much Max and Horner are like the Trumps of F1. Free to commit any crime and get away with it unless it has no impact on anything and they agree with their subordinates such as the FIA to a tiny infraction.
fawkes
29th January 2025, 12:37
This is ridiculous. He’s one of the few stewards to take action over Max, and he’s comments over the media reflect his actions. So what?
It’s not like the other stewards doesn’t have some kind of bias towards some drivers and teams. In the end of the day they’re taking Herbert as a scapegoat, really.
pcxmac (@pcxmac)
29th January 2025, 14:12
pretty much.
Tony Mansell (@tonymansell)
29th January 2025, 15:32
100%. I was uneasy at his quotes ‘brought to you by xyzcasino’ but thats irrelevant to this. You can have both an opinion and make judgements on rule breaking. In the UK we call it ‘ being a good chap’ and its why we dont have a constitution.
MichaelN
29th January 2025, 16:01
We don’t actually know what Herbert does, or did I suppose, as steward. All we have is the decision of the entire panel. There are no ‘dissenting opinions’ like in some countries’ higher courts. This in itself is a major part of the problem, because it’s a breeding ground for fake stories and rumours and allegations about the stewards’ supposed lack of neutrality. That can’t be the case, so this is a sensible decision.
But the idea that some random guy on the Internet knew how stewards’ decisions came about remains as silly as it always was.
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 16:33
So, you’re OK with having a steward with many conflicts of interest (not just Max) simply because they “did something about Max”? It’s really easy to see who is driven by a desire for fair play and who is driven by wanting the scales tilted in favor of their favorite driver.
For the record, I personally think Max was being allowed to get away with too much and thought it was good they cracked down on him. And if you think this decision was solely based on Herbert and Max I could see why you might object to the decision without it coming from any personal bias. However, the problems with Herbert go far beyond just Max.
We should be looking for good stewards who:
A. Don’t allow ANY drivers to get away with something they’d punish another driver for
B. Who don’t have conflicts of interest even if it’s just the possible appearance of a conflict of interest, which is a fundamental aspect of almost all legal and sporting regulation frameworks
Tony Mansell (@tonymansell)
29th January 2025, 16:38
‘For the record’. Same one isnt it? You seem to be judge and jury. Why dont you apply?
El Pollo Loco
29th January 2025, 17:57
I said for the record on that matter because many assume anyone who has an issue with Herbert as a steward is automatically a Max fan. Just like most of those decrying this decision are die hard Hamilton fans who think this is all about protecting Max from “justice.” Keep up, sport.
Tony Mansell (@tonymansell)
29th January 2025, 18:54
Objectionable.
Crawliin-from-the-wreckage- Special Unhinged Edition (@davedai)
29th January 2025, 13:43
@Carl Parker I was pointing out that 3 is not 4. Whoooosh
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
29th January 2025, 14:06
Fair enough I was forgetting the ‘local’. If you’d have said that I’d know what you were referring to wouldn’t I
Alex
29th January 2025, 13:50
15 years of bad, biased contribution.
Johns
29th January 2025, 14:33
I am encouraged to see the FIA is having a training session for officals ahead of the start of the season. We may not like all the decisions, but as long as they are somewhat consistent, that will go a long way to seeming somewhat fair.
James Bond (@jamesbond)
29th January 2025, 15:42
Good riddance. A steward should not be a pundit too.
Moi
29th January 2025, 18:52
He will not be missed. Good decision by FIA.
SteveP
29th January 2025, 20:38
I think he will be missed.
Like others here, I’m waiting for the heavy penalties handed out by the steward panels featuring no Brits
Michael (@freelittlebirds)
29th January 2025, 23:02
Yeah, the FIA is definitely maintaining very high standards in its recruitment much like the US government nowadays.
It does feel like Herbert’s criticism over Verstappen’s divebombs is valid cause for dropping him.
We shall not tolerate the truth!
MacLeod (@macleod)
30th January 2025, 8:03
@freelittlebirds I hear that Jos verstappen is up to take his place. So no-English bias anymore that should be everyone best scenario.
Michael (@freelittlebirds)
30th January 2025, 13:45
I thought it was going to be Helmut Marko. However, Jos is a more impartial choice. The FIA are proving themselves to be one of the greatest organizations in the world.
Make Racing Great Again!!!
Jane (@janedone)
29th January 2025, 23:18
It’s a volunteer anyway. Now he can get a real job that pays him.
BenHur
30th January 2025, 0:33
Best news of the millennium. The Hanging Judge is finally gone. Way too late though.
BenHur
30th January 2025, 0:37
Maybe the buster cannot risk another race like Brazil 2024 which backfired so beautifully
Todd
30th January 2025, 10:23
He should’ve been fired way back for the outrageous penalties he pulled on Schumacher.
Maybe I would still watch F1 if that happened.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
30th January 2025, 21:10
“In other news, keyboard warriors from around the world conclude anyone with an opinion on any driver in F1 can’t be a steward, leaving the FIA with the only option to allow people with no prior F1 exposure to be one of their stewards from now on”
Seriously though, a lot of people need to get off their high horses. Everyone who’s been a steward will have opinions for and against a whole bunch of drivers, just maybe they aren’t occasionally employed to put that opinion on TV. THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY ARE ANY LESS BIASED, JUST THAT YOU DONT GET TO SEE IT. So sure, decry JH’s stewarding, but how you can judge him to be the worst of them when you have no idea on ‘the bias’ of all the others shows you have a complete lack of critical analysis, or are happy to indulge your own inner bias against him/brits/whatever other aspect of him you dislike.
El Pollo Loco
30th January 2025, 23:04
I love how for you that this issue really just boils down to Hamilton and a crusade against the idea of British bias. Whether or not there is a British bias is irrelevant and the idea that other stewards COULD be biased is a good argument for keeping a steward who we know IS biased is laughable. You’re also conveniently ignoring the fact he’s sponsored by an online gambling website.
Beyond all that, there are ways to screen for bias and create a stewarding body that possess the least amount of biases.
-Exclude stewards from countries like France, Italy, Netherlands, Spain and the UK/Commonwealth.
-Use all the online data people leave behind to comb for any statements made on both F1 and other topics that could indicate biases
-Use that + character references, screening tests used by security agencies that have been established to winkle out dispositions, etc.
And it wouldn’t be very hard to weed out unreliable candidates and create either a permanent, paid panel of 3-5 stewards or a pool of screened and approved stewards to draw from. A much better solution than just crying that other people might be biased and we just don’t know it!
El Pollo Loco
30th January 2025, 23:07
PS – It’s not a prejudice against Brits (a laughable idea since 90% of the people commenting are from the US and UK), but the idea that just maybe it’s not the best idea for stewards to be drawn from a nationality which represents the largest group of drivers on the grid.. It’s amazing you cannot differentiate between those two idea.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
31st January 2025, 10:50
Where did the LH reference come from? I’m picking up on the British bias thing because that’s what some commentors on here are mentioning and I’m bringing up a counter-point – it’s nothing to do with what I personally think the issue is about or my opinion on it.
I think it’s questionable that the biggest race series in the world doesn’t have paid stewards that have to sign up to a code of conduct to prevent things like JH being paid by betting and broadcasters and at the same time judge incidents. It gives too much potential for the KBW’s to type up conspiracy theories. However that doesn’t mean all of the current stewards can’t set aside that and judge an incident properly. You say he IS biased but that doesn’t mean his decisions as a steward ARE biased.
You seem to hold JH personally responsible for some penalties against people you think didn’t deserve it and can’t look beyond that – that doesn’t mean those people didn’t deserve the penalty, just that you don’t agree with it.
Slightly tangential but I wonder how you think the justice system works as far as judges are concerned – you think they don’t have opinions on people but have to put that aside to make a judgement according to a ‘rulebook’?
El Pollo Loco
31st January 2025, 11:43
Where did the Lewis reference come from? Because, like many others most upset about this decision, you’re a huge Hamilton fan. As for the British bias/prejudice, I have not seen a single user cite Herbert being British as to why they have a problem with him.
I agree with everything in your second paragraph except the last sentence. Of course we can’t KNOW with 100% certainty that his views came into those decisions, which were highly controversial in the view of many, not just me. However, you wouldn’t be using that rationale if someone famous for criticizing Hamilton and even blaming him for upsetting their spouse just happened to be the steward when he was handed controversial penalties.
Third paragraph: my argument for why he shouldn’t have been stewarding does not rest on those penalties. Those are just real life examples of decisions that are worrying and were met with widespread controversy, which is not good for F1.
Fourth paragraph: of course real life judges have personal biases that affect their rulings even though they’re not supposed to. However, the legal framework in functional democracies means honest judges refuse themselves from cases with overt conflicts of interest, attorneys can petition for a change of venue and/or appeal rulings, etc.
Either way, we both seem agree that regardless of our view on this particular person, there is opportunity to improve the system. None of us want to worry or argue whether the stewards’ decisions are being made in good faith regardless of who we root for.
Carl Parker (@mysticarl)
31st January 2025, 13:17
Sorry I laughed out loud at huge Hamilton fan. Where did that come from? I’m not? Maybe because you think I’m not a Max fan? I’m not either, but no less than Lewis. I’m not really a fan of any driver. Possibly Charles, as some of his F2 drives reminded me (in a good way) of Senna and it’d be great if Ferrari give him a top car. I don’t mind Lando but I’ve liked his character less and less over the last 2 years, maybe that’ll change if he gets a bit more confidence/experience. I am a McLaren fan generally from a history point of view but I like/root for several teams for professional and personal reasons.
You can’t deny surely that a lot of comments on here lately have been on the brit bias, maybe no specifically in this article but if you scratch at the surface of several comments there is a big hint of it in the nature of their posts.
I appreciate the explanations though, thanks. I definitely agree it’s an opportunity for improvement.
Jungle
31st January 2025, 9:59
Huge amount of respect for guys like Johnny, Niki, Barry Sheene and Mick Doohan. Career threatening injuries yet they bounced back and still were able to perform and compete at the top level.
When guys like this talk I tend to listen.
El Pollo Loco
31st January 2025, 12:00
This is relevant how?
Unlike Nikki, Doohan and Sheene, he never achieved great success and multiple championships. No one talks about Herbert as a racing great or a fount of wisdom. Between all his recriminations against former teammates and clickbait style comments on behalf of gambling websites, I’m surprised to hear someone say “when Johnny Herbert talks, I listen.” But to each his own I guess. When Jacques Villeneuve talks, I listen! (I actually really like JV who admits he likes to stir the pot and that his comments should be taken with a grain of salt).
Jungle
1st February 2025, 7:19
“Unlike Nikki, Doohan and Sheene, he never achieved great success and multiple championships.”
Are you aware of his injuries pre F1?? Do you recognise how important foot movement is inside a cockpit? The guy can’t run due to having his ankles shattered, leg nearly amputated, yet he managed to modify his driving style forge a 10 year career in F1. Won a few races also. I’d consider that quite an achievement. But ah to each his own I guess. Never really heard him complain about it either.
According to JV if you’re not a millionaire you’re a loser….
Jungle
1st February 2025, 7:26
Millionaire before the age of 30 I might add!
Peter707
31st January 2025, 11:33
Bitter since his time in F1 and jealous of drivers more successful than him, good news to see him retiring from this position.
El Pollo Loco
31st January 2025, 11:54
Forced out of his position. I’d have been surprised and given him credit if he had voluntarily chosen to recuse, for a lack of a better word, himself from the stewards chair.
SteveP
1st February 2025, 10:44
The point most people seem to miss is that it’s a voluntary post and there isn’t a large queue of people looking to spend their time chasing round the world to be criticised for everything they do with only out-of-pocket expenses paid.
I understand the volunteer mentality.* I’m a member of an organisation that puts on an annual event where fewer than one in a hundred members do that 14 day stint of 15-hour days with subsidised accommodation and a few drinks in return.
* Some might say I’m “mental” volunteering like that, but it doesn’t disrupt my whole year
Rachel M
31st January 2025, 23:34
Hopefully, this is a step in the right direction for the FIA to move towards a more fair and careful verdict. The twenty second penalty for Alonso in Australia was very excessive, especially when looking at the movement of his and Russell’s cars. The FIA will never be completely fair, but I hope that the use of excessive punishment will start to fade away.
El Pollo Loco
1st February 2025, 3:15
+1