Ferrari tipped to return to an ‘all-red’ F1 livery

56 comments on “Ferrari tipped to return to an ‘all-red’ F1 livery”

1. 

   George (@george)
   20th February 2018, 1:03

   I’m of the same opinion as Dan Cammish, either completely redesign the car with head protection in mind or leave it off, the Halo has always been too compromised for me.

   Bit of a shock to hear Jamie Caroline can’t afford to race this year, but then sponsors do tend to come from connections rather than talent spotting. Hope someone steps up before the season starts.
   1. 

      digitalrurouni
      20th February 2018, 16:15

      Couldn’t agree more about the halo. I been saying that for a while as well. Go for a fighter jet canopy style!
2. 

   @HoHum (@hohum)
   20th February 2018, 1:41

   So I have to assume the BARC is a club for people who have made a lot of money out of motorsport and that is their criteria for success.
   1. 

      pastaman (@)
      20th February 2018, 3:33

      It’s a gold medal to go with his golden parachute
   2. 

      harold wilson (@bonbonjai)
      20th February 2018, 5:36

      @hohum
      Bernie has/had many faults, and we could/should go on forever about them. But, there is no doubt in his long dictatorship of F1, he did contribute greatly to the sport is today. Or am I missing something. If not Bernie, ( our former lord & master) who, in the last 40 years has contributed more?
      1. 

         Egonovi
         20th February 2018, 8:44

         But what is BARC?
         Bernie’s Award Recommendation Committee
      2. 

         Dewald Nel (@ho3n3r)
         20th February 2018, 9:55

         Agreed. But in his last years he seemed semi senile and was doing more harm than good. He had to be let go.
         1. 

            Mick
            20th February 2018, 10:28

            I’m not the biggest fan of Bernie, but if it wasn’t for him you guys wouldn’t have even heard of F1.
            1. 

               Christopher Bowers (@darkstar)
               20th February 2018, 11:40

               Not very nice guy. Extremely effective back in the day. F1 would be a minor sport for seriously rich people instead of a major sport for seriously rich people.
            2. 

               Robbie (@robbie)
               20th February 2018, 15:22

               @Mick While I get the sentiment of what you are saying, I’m not sure I can agree. BE didn’t invent F1. It existed before he came along. I’m not denying what he then did with and for F1, but I also believe that there are many many others who would have clued into the commercial potential of it and made it into something as big as it is now. They would have done it differently likely, but they would have done it nonetheless.
      3. 

         @HoHum (@hohum)
         20th February 2018, 20:43

         @bonbonjai, I think you are crediting Bernie for organising what was already a going concern but in need of some management to maximise the opportunities arising from new communication technology, but you are failing to balance that work with the damage he did by stripping multi-billions of dollars out of the industry purely to satisfy his own greed and ego.
3. 

   chris97 (@chrismichaelaoun)
   20th February 2018, 2:15

   On Ferrari going all red,

   Bout time.

   The only time white looked nice on a Ferrari, was with Schumacher’s day glow red Ferarri.

   Call me crazy though, I think black wings like the 80s/90s would be stunning!
   1. 

      NewVerstappenFan (@jureo)
      20th February 2018, 6:01

      Crazy! But red is good. Black wings would be even better.
      1. 

         Gerrit
         20th February 2018, 7:43

         Wonder if they will return with gold coloured wheels?
         1. 

            markp
            20th February 2018, 9:39

            Red car, balck wings, fold wheels is perfect in my opinion, I always liked the 1990 car but that did not have gold wheels? Was it 1995 and 1996 with red car, black wings, gold wheels, also liked the Agip sponsorship and the even the blue Fiat logo.
            1. 

               RB14
               20th February 2018, 10:09

               1996 F310, one of my favourite looking F1 cars of all time. Was also pretty radical at the time with its horizontal protruding sidepods, unfortunately wasn’t very fast!

               Colour scheme was perfection though.
4. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   20th February 2018, 6:38

   Regarding the Autosport-article: I’ve stated this before and will state it again: The circuits aren’t the problem, i.e., they don’t need changes, only the cars regarding how they’re designed aerodynamically.
   1. 

      anon
      20th February 2018, 7:27

      @jerejj, why is it that you think that the problem only lies with the cars and are so adamant that the layouts of the circuits cannot also be a contributing factor?
      1. 

         Matthijs (@matthijs)
         20th February 2018, 8:37

         @jerejj Agree with anon. It is true that the cars are designed to be unable to follow each other closely and I like to see that changed. However, some circuits are designed fundamentally wrong (at least to my opinion). Take Abu Dhabi, the chicane and the hairpin before the first straight: built for safety measures (chicane) and for the crowd in the stands (hairpin), but it seriously ruins close racing.
      2. 

         Jere (@jerejj)
         20th February 2018, 8:46

         @anon Because the way the cars are designed aerodynamically is the primary factor if not the only factor that contributes to the ‘following another car closely’ problem, and therefore, the lack of close racing. Altering a circuit layout wouldn’t really help if the difficulty of following remained to the same extent as it is now, so it should be done the other way around: Fix the ‘following problem’ first and only then alter a circuit layout if the lack of overtaking/close racing remains.
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            anon
            20th February 2018, 21:54

            @jerejj, I am not sure that I would agree that it is the “primary, if not only” factor when there have been a number of circuits where, across a wide range of different regulatory periods and designs, drivers have often found it difficult to pass another car.

            Around tighter and twistier circuits such as the Hungaroring, there have been complaints about it being difficult to overtake going right back to the earliest races in the 1980’s, or venues which induce such rapid field spread that cars end up too far apart for any sort of overtaking to occur in the first place (Monza tending to be somewhat like this, much like the old Hockenheimring was often criticised for producing “Noah’s Ark” races where you often had the cars going round in pairs).

            Besides, even if a trailing car is following the leading car closely, that trailing car still has to leave what is normally the optimal line through the corner and find a way to somehow get past on a line that would normally be slower through a particular corner (usually the trailing driver is either having to take a longer line and wider radius than normal, or a tighter line and a sharper radius than normal).

            Without a significant performance advantage that makes it possible to be able to do that and still move ahead of your rival, the trailing driver usually has to find a means of forcing that leading driver to come off that optimal line and go slower than normal – perhaps by forcing them to cover an inside line or pushing them wide on a corner exit, or alternatively by pressurising the lead car into making a mistake.

            At a number of circuits, the width of the optimal line through a corner is quite small and the ability to force that leading driver to move off line is rather limited – at, say, a venue like Suzuka, you’re not normally able to pass another driver through most of the turns in the first sector because your line through the subsequent corners is so heavily compromised. At most venues, you usually only have a few possible places where a driver can pass because he is able to create a performance differential, and if you know where those few points are, it becomes easier to block another driver before he can create that opportunity.
      3. 

         Egonovi
         20th February 2018, 8:48

         Of course it’s cars and circuits.
         But you do want circuits to be different to get an exciting season.

         So I agree with @jerejj, start with the cars, and see what tweaks are still required to the circuits.
   2. 

      Boomerang
      20th February 2018, 8:28

      I hope, you don’t think that aero is the problem at Monaco!? F1 is producing cars to quick for that short circuit for decades. It’s shortness notwithstanding it’s the highlight of the season for me. The first thing I’m checking on the calendar is: when the season kicks off and Monaco GP. Interesting isn’t it!? I love racing, and most of all I love F1. I’d watch it even if they raced in reverse. With halo ( toilet seat ) or not. Less or more overtaking. The biggest problem of F1 isn’t in cars, tracks or lack of proper grandstands around some circuits. It’s about people trying to follow this great sport trying to adapt it to their personal taste at the same time. We all know that’s impossible. Many of my friends follow soccer. I don’t. They don’t have interest in watching cars buzzing around, as they say. I don’t have interest in a sport where 22 players chase a ball. Matter of taste. Nothing more, nothing less. It never crossed my mind that they should change the rules in soccer to make it more interesting. Like many think about F1. Better to move on if you don’t like it.
      1. 

         markp
         20th February 2018, 9:47

         I don’t look at Monaco as a normal race, more like can the driver keep concentrated to not hit the wall for a whole race whilst being fast. Bit like the Isle of Mann TT not direct racing just thrilling to see a vehicle at high speed thread through a lot of track side furniture.
   3. 

      Dewald Nel (@ho3n3r)
      20th February 2018, 9:58

      You can’t remove the aero enough to diminish the dirty air to the level you want, without making the cars 10 seconds slower, which is not an option.

      So, what is your solution?
      1. 

         Roth Man (@rdotquestionmark)
         20th February 2018, 10:51

         Use ground effect and fatter softer tyres. That way it isn’t 10 seconds.
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         Robbie (@robbie)
         20th February 2018, 11:08

         @ho3n3r I think there is much to come yet from Brawn and his team on this very topic. F1 has not been motivated to study and implement changes in this field…until now. I think for the 2021 changes we may well see wings shaped differently than we ever have before, designed to provide efficient downforce while creating less wake, combined with ground effects and good tires. There is no reason why they shouldn’t be able to figure out how to keep up the speeds while having cars racing closer. Big teams in the last decade have been allowed too much self-interest to rule the day, and so as one example have been making dirty air wakes as big as they can, knowing that’s a great deterrent to being passed by cars so dependent on clean air. New regs can be designed to accent less wake, new research that Brawn will have the ability to actually implement can do wonders. I firmly believe there are many good ideas that have never made it past the drawing board because of the structure F1 has had for too long under BE.

         So I think it is folly to assume they can’t do this based on their limited, half-hearted attempts in the past that were never going to go very far while BE played favourites with certain teams at certain times and left the wolves in charge of the hen house.

         Wrt tracks I lean more toward the line of thinking of @jerejj and I would address the cars first before touching the tracks. Sure correcting a few parts of a few tracks wouldn’t hurt, but is more of a bandage if at all times at all circuits cars are too negatively affected in dirty air.
         1. 

            Rhys Lloyd (@justrhysism)
            20th February 2018, 12:17

            I agree mostly, but think tracks which are fundamentally flawed (Sochi, Bahrain for example) should be changed (as Lucas de Grassi suggests) to facilitate multiple racing lines on several corners, providing chasing drivers with more opportunities to pass (hopefully without the need of aids such as DRS) by playing games and out-foxing their opponent.

            I know this can already sort of happen (RIC does it regularly), but most tracks really only have one ideal line, with every other line too compromising.
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               StefMeister (@stefmeister)
               20th February 2018, 13:37

               @justrhysism I don’t think Bahrain is a circuit that needs to be changed as it’s a circuit that has always provided a lot of good racing & overtaking opportunities even before DRS. The only exception been 2010 which was down to them running the extended layout that spread the field out.

               It’s already actually possible to overtake at most of the corners on that circuit & we have over the years also seen overtaking happen at most of the corners on the circuit, Again even in the days before DRS & High-deg tyres.
   4. 

      StefMeister (@stefmeister)
      20th February 2018, 13:49

      @jerejj I agree, I think there are some tracks that just aren’t great from a racing/overtaking perspective…. However I also think that far too often fans put too much blame on the track by focusing just on what F1 does there.

      For example, While i’m no fan of the Abu-Dhabi circuit & think most of the F1 races there have been pretty awful…. When you watch other categories race there (F2 & GP3 especially) they always seem to produce good races with lots of overtaking which suggest’s that the lack of it in F1 isn’t all down to the circuit.

      It’s the same with Sochi, The F1 races havn’t been great but the other categories have put on some very good races there. The 2015 GP2 feature race in Sochi for instance was one of the best races of that season. And for as bad as Valencia street circuit was for F1 again other categories put on some great races there.

      I’m always reluctant to start changing circuits in the name of racing/overtaking because for the most part in the past when changes have been made to circuits for that purpose the changes have tended to result in corners that may be better in terms of overtaking but simply aren’t as good as what they replaced (Bus Stop at Spa, Turn 10 at Barcelona, Final chicane at Suzuka, Variante Alta at Imola, Final sector at Magny-Cours been a few examples).
      1. 

         Jere (@jerejj)
         20th February 2018, 14:46

         @stefmeister ”It’s the same with Sochi, The F1 races havn’t been great but the other categories have put on some very good races there.” – The 2015 race was rather exciting overall, though.
5. 

   Vettel fan 17 (@)
   20th February 2018, 7:07

   It would be nice to see an all red Ferrari. Back to its glory days.
   1. 

      Mashiat (@mashiat)
      20th February 2018, 7:25

      @vettelfan17 Pretty sure their glory days from 2000-2004 was with cars that had white as a significant portion of their livery.
      1. 

         Vettel fan 17 (@)
         20th February 2018, 7:33

         @mashiat But did they not have mostly red in 2007 and 2008 when they won thier last Championships? I cold be wrong though.
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            Mashiat (@mashiat)
            20th February 2018, 9:04

            @vettelfan17 True, but the red and white livery is synonymous with THE most successful period in Ferrari history.
      2. 

         anon
         20th February 2018, 7:33

         @mashiat, or, for that matter, if you go back to the 312T series from the latter half of the 1970’s, which was another era of great success for the team, those cars had liveries which had large areas of white on them as well.
         1. 

            Asanator (@asanator)
            20th February 2018, 10:50

            I rather like the red and white “Vodafone” colour schemes of the late 90/00’s and found the all red cars of 07/08/09 (although beautiful even with all of the aero bits) to be a bit dull afterwards. I appreciated the move back to the ‘Santander’ red/white and loved especially the 2016 “F312T” livery.

            If they are going to ditch the white (although I would have thought Philip Morris wouldn’t be too happy with that plan) Black wings and gold wheels is the next best option as far as I am concerned and given the current propensity to hide everything in swathes of black paint I wouldn’t be surprised if they go at least part way down this road. The 94/95 412T’s were little stunners and the last of the V12’s to boot!

            Oh and the Ducati’s of the past few years have had almost more white on them than red! Or were they just talking about number colouring?
6. 

   Euro Brun (@eurobrun)
   20th February 2018, 7:36

   Martin Brundle has got 1 fair point, perhaps we will see some more risky moves this year, if the halo makes some drivers feel indestructible.
   1. 

      San
      20th February 2018, 9:33

      They both have fair points. The halo is both very ugly, and something that will fade into the background as soon as the real racing starts.

      Beisdes, in a couple of seasons it’ll be replaced by something more pleasing to the eye, or completely gone. It’s the penis nose evolution.
   2. 

      nase
      20th February 2018, 10:40

      @eurobrun I don’t think a single driver in the past 20 years or more has ever, even subconsciously, been affected by the consideration that a large object could hit him in the head if something goes wrong during a move.
      I’m not against Halo, but justifying it by saying it’s going to influence the quality of racing, is whimsical.
      1. 

         Robbie (@robbie)
         20th February 2018, 16:04

         @eurobrun @nase While I can see from his tweet that it might seem so, I don’t think MB is relating the halo to better racing. I think his tweet is a tongue in cheek way of saying two things…he doesn’t like the halo but we’ll get used to it as we have no choice. Then he implies that it won’t affect the ‘craziness’. It’s still about whose fastest and bravest. Exactly true. I think his wording about the racing hopefully being better, with fingers crossed emoji, is more a hint about rules stability, and new tires, and perhaps a little more competition from RBR and Ferrari to challenge Merc, than it is meant as some suggestion that the halo will be the reason. “Craziness will still happen, maybe moreso” with any luck (fingers crossed), is how I take his wording. That’s what we hope for at the start of all seasons, no?
7. 

   Anthony Vertue
   20th February 2018, 7:41

   I wonder why Williams are expecting a big improvement by Stroll – throughout last year he did not seem to close the gap to Massa despite gaining experience and doing additional tests. As pointed out on this site he over the last few races he was over 1 second off Massa in qualifying – that is a lot of time his additional backing needs to improve the car by….
   1. 

      DB-C90 (@dbradock)
      20th February 2018, 9:54

      Well hopefully by producing a better car for a start.

      Even someone as experienced as Massa was saying how hard it was to drive that car last year so there’s a faire argument that he was faster simply because he was a far more experienced driver. Even then, Massa spent a lot of time sliding off the track or spinning because the car was pretty much undriveable at times.

      If Massa struggled, then surely a rookie would and had the good sense to perhaps dial it back just far enough to ensure he stayed on the black bits during qualm.

      If they produce a better car then maybe Stroll and Sirotkin can push at 100% more confidently. At least give them a break until Melbourne.
      1. 

         DB-C90 (@dbradock)
         20th February 2018, 9:55

         Qualy, not qualm ( bloody autocorrect)
   2. 

      nase
      20th February 2018, 10:44

      @ Anthony Vertue: They’re not expecting it, they’re hoping it will happen. Also, he’s paying them a fortune every year, so the least a Williams spokeperson can do, is saying nice thins about him.
      1. 

         Robbie (@robbie)
         20th February 2018, 11:13

         Lance himself has said he is a better driver now so he will have an opportunity to show us that, provided the car doesn’t handcuff him. I hope he is able to do just that.
         1. 

            nase
            20th February 2018, 12:35

            @robbie
            Well, if Lance says that … His statements have always shown great self-reflection and objectivity, so I’m going to take his word on that, and not assume that this is just meaningless talk, because what else can you say in such a situation …
            1. 

               Robbie (@robbie)
               20th February 2018, 13:27

               @nase Yeah for sure. If he is a worthy F1 driver then he will have learned much from his rookie year, so I just hope the car doesn’t limit him from showing us either way whether he’s got what it takes to be in F1 or not. If he claims to already be a better driver than he showed last year, then he has set a bar for himself publicly, so it will be interesting to see what happens. Believe in him or not, he was always going to have this second season to do more and potentially quiet his detractors.
8. 

   Joao (@johnmilk)
   20th February 2018, 10:03

   Lets just be honest. Today we are all waiting on the Renault and Sauber launch, that is today’s round-up
9. 

   FlatSix (@)
   20th February 2018, 11:09

   I’m really not defending pay drivers now but Jamie shouldn’t pretend he’s the next Senna and the world has lost a marvelous talent because of the monstrosity that is money…

   Every single driver needs money from somewhere to pay for the bills, in one case it’s the father or mother, in others it’s wealthy businessmen who see potential in the driver and want him linked to their product. So sure, some reach levels they wouldn’t reach without the money of their parents but it’s not like top line GT racing or F1 is filled with those, even Stroll is a champion who has quite some talent.
10. 

    KGN11
    20th February 2018, 11:14

    So no mention of Ricciardo crashing the RB14 yesterday?
    1. 

       Robbie (@robbie)
       20th February 2018, 15:33

       Lol had to google for that. Seems like pretty new news, as in, 3 hours ago, so I’m sure Keith will have something soon. Not news of any real consequence though from the sounds of it. Not like he set them back and lost testing time at the same time. It was just a filming day.
       1. 

          KGN11
          20th February 2018, 20:44

          I knew about it from yesterday.
11. 

    Maciek (@maciek)
    20th February 2018, 15:35

    The halo is ugly, I mean we’ll get used to it for now because there’s no choice, just like we got used to high and narrow rear wings, monster front wings and least but not least, the creme de la creme of F1 ugliness, stepped noses. That’s not the same as saying the we shouldn’t have it, but aesthetically it’s pretty bad.
12. 

    Mangy Black Sheep (@mangyblacksheep)
    21st February 2018, 7:15

    I guess Ferrari ran out of white paint.
13. 

    Califormula1fan
    26th February 2018, 3:58

    Championships in F1 are won at the factory and in qualifying on Saturday. Races are lost on Sunday through driver mistakes, strategy errors, and reliability issues and sometimes when penalties put faster cars behind slower ones on the grid leading to first lap collisions.

    Very little can be done about racing on Sunday short of opening up the tracks to account for modern speeds, acceleration, braking and aerodynamics.

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