Tougher penalty needed for Monaco chicane cutting – Perez

35 comments on “Tougher penalty needed for Monaco chicane cutting – Perez”

1. 

   Chaitanya
   29th May 2019, 5:25

   Magnuessen had harsher penalty(10 sec time) than Verstappen(5 sec time) who had an unsafe release and pushed Bottas into wall, so I dont understand why Perez is calling for harsher penalty.
   1. 

      Ipsom
      29th May 2019, 7:59

      I don’t think he’s calling for harsher penalty.

      He just wants any speed advantage by cutting the chicane to be eradicated
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      Chris Lloyd (@chrisr1718)
      29th May 2019, 8:03

      Magnuessen was only a 5 sec penalty
      From F1 web site “Verstappen received a 5-second penalty for an unsafe pit-stop release. Grosjean received a 5-second penalty for crossing the pit exit line. Stroll and Magnussen each received 5-second penalties for leaving the track and gaining an advantage.”
2. 

   Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
   29th May 2019, 5:26

   I agree with Palmer. What were they supposed to do? After the mistake was done it couldn’t be corrected to still win the race. They’d have settled for 5th.

   Hamilton constant cries made no difference to the fact that even lapping 5 seconds slower at the front, you can still win rather easily. I know.it must have been very difficult for him when it shouldn’t have, but surely once you know there’s no alternative, that’s it.
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      The Skeptic (@)
      29th May 2019, 6:49

      Hamilton understands that “drama” is essential to retaining viewers. Without his cries about the tyres, I would have switched off from watching the race after the half-way mark.

      In retrospect, Palmer is right. It was a show – and with Verstappen was the essential hero to bring the “suspension of disbelief” necessary to think that an overtake for the lead might be possible!
      1. 

         anon
         29th May 2019, 7:47

         @theskeptic, the odd thing, though, is to describe those radio messages as “a bit Hollywood” and to then bring up the Senna-Mansell battle, given how that was described at the time by contemporaries.

         If you look at what people actually thought and wrote about that battle at the time, a lot of people actually thought that Mansell swerving all over the track to try and pass Senna was overly melodramatic and almost looked more like it was being deliberately put on for the viewers than a genuine attempt to pass Senna. For example, there was Autocourse, which complained about Mansell’s “theatrical” attempts to pass Senna, whilst Motorsport Magazine noted how the other drivers on the grid found Mansell’s driving incomprehensible and thought his driving “looked dramatic, but all it did was coat his tyres with all the rubbish that was on the track”.

         In some ways, though, it does show how some things never change, which is the cynicism of the fans. Back in 1992, there were people spreading conspiracy theories about Mansell being “encouraged” to make a pit stop to let Senna get ahead of him and to artificially liven up the race, particularly given a win for Senna would let him equal Graham Hill’s record of five wins and the contradictory accounts Williams gave over what happened over the following days.

         Now, we have the accusation that “the radio messages were staged” to create fake drama – it might be nearly 30 years later, but it seems that people are just as likely now to spread speculation about events being “for the show” now as they were in the past.
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            Niefer (@niefer)
            30th May 2019, 4:51

            You bring a nice context but, to be fair, Hamilton was at Senna’s shoes whilst Verstappen was at Mansell’s.
            I mean, Senna had worn tyres with a far superior car behind with pristine tyres. He kept cool, cruised home.

            Verstappen, on the other hand, was the one who had an inferior car chasing the leader. His tyres weren’t fresh. His car isn’t the one that treats the rubber better. Yet no swerving, no melodrama, albeit a messy move that Hamilton fended off really comfortably, given the risk.

            His moaning wasn’t fit. His driving alone spoke eloquently enough.
   2. 

      Nulla Pax (@nullapax)
      29th May 2019, 7:23

      @fer-no65 Same here.
      I’m not saying Lewis didn’t have problems with his tyres but we all know how much he likes to play the mind games and I believe that yes he personally loves to put on a show.
      I don’t think that is a bad thing except for the “Rabid Lewis Fan Club” reaction of taking his every word as gospel and hating any doubters of his messages.
      Fortunately there aren’t too many of that type here on RaceFans but they do exist :/
   3. 

      Matthijs (@matthijs)
      29th May 2019, 8:29

      @fer-no65 Agreed. I understand that driving with these tyres with Verstappen breathing in your neck is very difficult (and he managed it very well), but once you realise that there is nothing you can change about it, you suck it up and go.
   4. 

      Fer no.65 (@fer-no65)
      29th May 2019, 13:19

      Btw I’m not blaming Hamilton or anything. Just saying that the win was a given if the tyres could last the distance. It didn’t matter how slowly he drove. There was no way Max or anyone else would’ve overtaken him if he didn’t make a mistake.
3. 

   Imre (@f1mre)
   29th May 2019, 6:09

   Both BMW and Ford leaving WEC. Shame. No competition in P1, now GTE field diversity is reduced.
4. 

   Darryn Smith (@darryn)
   29th May 2019, 6:11

   I wish they could get something like a virtual wall where if you hit it you pull into the pits and retire.
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      Darryn Smith (@darryn)
      29th May 2019, 6:14

      I get the argument that no passing will occur, but passing like it is done coming into that chicane has no meaning when if you fail you can just skip the chicane.
      1. 

         Jonathan Parkin
         29th May 2019, 11:08

         Couldn’t they extend the tyre barrier so it crosses the diagonal white line at the far end of the chicane just like it was in 1996
         1. 

            Ryan
            29th May 2019, 22:14

            If anything you want that barrier further back not closer, if it goes wrong coming out of the tunnel it can be a huge crash there like Karl Wendlinger, Perez, Button etc
5. 

   Frank Dahl Adam (@frankadam)
   29th May 2019, 7:33

   Monaco is the worst grand prix.
   They should make that race a double race.
   First race starting order: qualifying result. 20 laps. Full points
   Second race: reverse the top 6 or even 8. 20 laps but less points.
   1. 

      Miguel Bento (@miguelbento)
      29th May 2019, 7:43

      Errrrm, nope.
      1. 

         anon
         29th May 2019, 7:59

         @miguelbento, back in 1970, there was actually a serious proposal put forward to the FIA and to the teams for turning the Monaco Grand Prix into two separate races that was not far off Frank’s proposal.

         The official proposal was for a normal qualifying session followed by a qualifying sprint race, with the results of that sprint race used to set the grid order for a longer second race. The idea didn’t gain enough support to be taken further, but it shows that, nearly 50 years ago, they were already talking about ideas to try and liven up the Monaco GP race weekend.
   2. 

      Matthijs (@matthijs)
      29th May 2019, 8:30

      @frankadam Since Monaco is such an unique race, I would have no objection to treat it differently from all the regular races. How about two races of half the distance each, each awarded half points?
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         frood19 (@frood19)
         29th May 2019, 10:36

         Monaco could still be a great race. the problem is that race pace is so slow, the drivers are not challenged like they used to be. it used to be a real war of attrition and a serious test of concentration. but if they’re driving 5 seconds a lap off the pace, how likely is an error?

         at least qualifying is still a great spectacle. the insight from coulthard (about which barriers you can ‘hit’ and which you can’t) shows there is still that super-human level in the sport. it’s just not much evident on race day.
6. 

   ColdFly (@)
   29th May 2019, 8:57

   Would have liked to see a link here to one of the articles which picked up on the newsletter rumours that Vettel might retire at the end of this year, and then who could replace him.

   It’s just one journalist claiming this, and then still rumours, but it could create a nice discussion here.
   Certainly better than judging a driver’s press conference attendance ;)
   1. 

      GtisBetter (@)
      29th May 2019, 17:45

      If Vettel leaves, hamilton will most likely join ferrari i think. Based on nothing really.
7. 

   Hugh (@hugh11)
   29th May 2019, 10:04

   Perez has an interesting idea. In MotoGP, they have the penalty loop, to make drivers lose time during the race rather than waiting til after the race to apply the penalty. Could be something to be considered.
   1. 

      Nulla Pax (@nullapax)
      29th May 2019, 11:21

      @hugh11
      I like the idea but imagine the nightmare (especially with street circuits like Monaco) of finding suitable bits of track/streets to use.
      1. 

         Gavin Campbell
         29th May 2019, 14:35

         As a big Moto GP fan I was considering this – there is space at Casino to create a penalty loop by forcing drivers to go the other way around the roundabout. Obviously Monaco is the most difficult to create this space – if theres not enough time loss you might have to get inventive like a stop in the box type scenario.

         Paint a nice big fat red line on the inside of turn 1, the harbour and swimming pool exit chicanes. If you cross it – get a notificaiton and penalty loop on the next lap.

         This is essentially what Monazo has with the right/left/right run off from the main chicane – think Hamilton/Rosberg where Rosberg was pressured into a mistake in the braking area and Hamilton overtook by using the proper route. It also stops drivers from heading off the track at the first turn to keep positions – France is a joke!

         Its simple, clean and fair for everyone – it creates the same sporting danger as the Gravel trap (a trip across the gravel was always slower than the road) but it means you can have the run off that doesn’t cause Alonso tumbles!

         Next up on my quick fix – force everyone to use all 3 types of tyre in a dry race.
   2. 

      a (@aaaa)
      29th May 2019, 11:44

      Yeah, This IS a good idea…Then Max & Lewis could have gone for a run around the penalty loop…or just be a bit harsher on cutting the chicane & send them for a drive thru.
8. 

   Jere (@jerejj)
   29th May 2019, 13:19

   How would it be a nightmare if the Azerbaijan GP were to take place during the UEFA Euro Cup Tournament next year as long as it weren’t to directly clash with any of the games? Most of the European races regularly take place within that period on every World Cup and Euro Cup year, and if necessary the times of those races can be altered to avoid a direct clash timing-wise, as was the case with the French GP last season (although based on that argument, the Austrian GP should’ve started an hour earlier than it did, but typical F1 inconsistency.) Furthermore, Baku definitely shouldn’t take place on subsequent weekends with Montreal, again (or at least not in the same order as in 2016 to ease the effects of the jet lag as travelling from east to west is easier on that front than the other way round.) The distance is just unnecessarily vast for that purpose. Any of the European venues, especially the more Eastern ones would be a better choice to form a double-header with Baku, but not a circuit on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. Alternatively, if they definitely wouldn’t want to hold the race within the time frame of the Euro Cup, then why not September instead? That’s also a more comfortable month to race in Baku than April temperature-wise.
9. 

   JV
   29th May 2019, 14:18

   Perez should have given Magnussen more room. He had no other choice but to cut the chicane, so Perez pushed him off the track. That’s against the rules as well.
   1. 

      Earl
      29th May 2019, 15:05

      Agree with this. Not really sure what else KMag could do except rejoin the track and push Perez into the incoming barrier? Doesn’t seem like a great option.
      The way Perez tells it almost seems like he doesn’t expect the other driver to defend if the pass is ‘made’ because it is Monaco. Perez even hits the first curb when making the pass meaning there is absolutely no room for KMag to stay on track.
   2. 

      anon
      29th May 2019, 20:03

      JV, if you read the original judgement, the stewards implied that, if Magnussen had tried to rejoin the track promptly, they would have taken no action against him because they agreed that he initially had no choice but to cut the chicane to avoid Perez.

      The penalty wasn’t due to Magnussen going off the circuit, but because he then used that initial move by Perez to justify taking a much larger short cut than he needed to, and in the process used it to gain a much larger advantage over Perez than he initially had.
10. 

    MattB (@mattb)
    29th May 2019, 19:22

    I’ve often said that every circuit should have a “penalty lane”. This could be managed similar to the way that Formula E have their activation zone for attack mode. Drivers would have to take the longest way around one corner for a minor infraction (eg inadvertently cutting a corner or having to give a place back. This would provide a ~ 2 second penalty for some standard minor offences.
11. 

    Xcm
    30th May 2019, 3:04

    How many times did Alonso NOT EVEN TRY to make a chicane, in his last year?

    He is still touted as the best driver ever…

    So obviously that is best driver ever level driving skills. Obviously. The time to do something about it was then, and nobody did… can’t blame Magnussen now for following the lead.
12. 

    Niefer (@niefer)
    30th May 2019, 4:31

    It was all a bit ‘Hollywood’. No other driver would have been on the radio in quite the dramatic way Hamilton was.

    It was at this moment he knew… he f… up.
    Poor Palmer.
    1. 

       Gulp
       30th May 2019, 17:51

       He’s not wrong though.

       Lewis usually spends his race either complaining about the tyres and/or questioning the teams strategy. And he always sounds so nervous and out of his depth.

       For a supposed top 10 driver it’s all very amature hour…
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          F1oSaurus (@)
          31st May 2019, 20:48

          He had no tyres left though and he had to help the steering by sliding the back of the car a little and chances were it would end with a blown tyre or no grip anymore at all. So yes he was panicked and rightly so.

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