FIA denies Ferrari’s request for new hearing over Sainz’s Australian GP penalty

2023 Australian Grand Prix

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The FIA has denied Ferrari’s request to reconsider the penalty which cost Carlos Sainz Jnr a points finish in the Australian Grand Prix.

Sainz was given a five-second time penalty for causing a collision with Fernando Alonso during the final standing restart. He crossed the line in fourth place, but as the race finished behind the Safety Car, Sainz fell to 12th place in the final classification.

Ferrari hoped to overturn his penalty using the FIA’s Right to Review process. However the stewards ruled Ferrari failed to produce new, significant and relevant evidence which gave reason to review their decision.

“There is no significant and relevant new element which was unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned,” the stewards ruled after inspecting Ferrari’s submission. “The petition is therefore dismissed.”

Race restart, Albert Park, 2023
Sainz tangled with Alonso at the final standing restart
The evidence submitted by Ferrari included data from Sainz’s car plus statements from the driver, Alonso and some of their rivals. The stewards noted Ferrari cited a precedent involving Force India as grounds for these submissions being considered sufficient grounds for a review.

This is believed to concern a grid penalty then-Force India driver Sergio Perez was given when he collided with Felipe Massa during the 2014 Canadian Grand Prix. Force India prompted the stewards to review the incident after submitting Perez’s account as evidence.

However the Australian Grand Prix stewards noted that precedent did not apply in this case. “The Sahara Force India F1 team matter involved a post-race hearing into an incident (in other words, it was not clear to the stewards who was at fault for the collision in question).

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“The competitor’s driver was not available to attend the hearing because he had been taken to hospital following the incident. The hearing proceeded without the ability for the competitor to speak with its driver to obtain a version. That happened after the hearing and the driver’s version put a different light on the facts that had been put to the stewards.”

Ferrari cited a precedent from a 2014 crash
However in Sainz’s case the stewards “deemed it unnecessary” to hear from him before determining who was to blame. They therefore deemed the quotes from the driver and others supplied by Ferrari also did not constitute significant and relevant new information.

The stewards also ruled the telemetry data Ferrari submitted did not add to what was already available to them at the time they made their decision.

FIA statement on Ferrari’s request for a review of Sainz penalty

The stewards of the 2023 Australian Grand Prix have received a letter from Nikolas Tombazis, Single-seater Director of the FIA, attaching a petition by Competitor Scuderia Ferrari dated 6th April 2023 under Article 14 of the FIA International Sporting Code (“Petition”), seeking a review of the stewards decision no. 46 made within the framework of the 2023 Australian Grand Prix and requesting that the stewards:

“consider such request and to make a determination whether or not a significant and relevant new element exists (Article 14.3 of the Code) in relation to the decision/incident”.

The stewards, after having extensively considered the matter, including examining the annexures to the Petition and the available telemetry, summoned and heard the team representative(s) namely Laurent Mekies, Fred Vasseur and Carlos Sainz (Document no. 58) and determine the following:

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Decision

There is no significant and relevant new element which was unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned. The Petition is therefore dismissed.

Reason

Our decision that [Sainz] was in breach of Appendix L, Chapter IV, Article 2 d) of the FIA International Sporting Code for causing the collision with ALO was made in-race (Document no. 46). We decided that [Sainz] was wholly to blame for the collision.

We considered the fact that this collision took place at the first corner on the first lap of the restart, when, by convention, the stewards would typically take a more lenient view of incidents. However, we decided that notwithstanding that it was the equivalent of a first lap incident, we considered that there was sufficient gap for [Sainz] to take steps to avoid the collision and failed to do so. We therefore imposed a five-second time penalty.

The Petition contends that there are new significant and relevant elements, which were unavailable at the time of our decision being made (and presumably, had we had the benefit of these elements, we would not have made our decision).

Three elements were relied upon:

a) the telemetry data of [Sainz’s] car after the second restart (annexure 4).
b) [Sainz’s] witness statement (annexure 5); and
c) other driver’s witness statements (annexures 6 & 7), which amount to records of post-race interviews given by [Alonso] (annexure 6) as well as other drivers (annexure 7).

The Competitor says that there is precedent for these matters being considered new significant and relevant elements. It points to the stewards’ decision dealing with the petition by Sahara Force India F1 Team seeking a right of review as a precedent for the proposition that the verbal testimony of a driver and relevant telemetry can amount to a significant and relevant new element.

The factual circumstances of the stewards’ decision under review in that matter are quite different to those here in this matter.

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The Sahara Force India F1 team matter involved a post-race hearing into an incident (in other words, it was not clear to the stewards who was at fault for the collision in question). The Competitor’s driver was not available to attend the hearing because he had been taken to hospital following the incident. The hearing proceeded without the ability for the Competitor to speak with its driver to obtain a version. That happened after the hearing and the driver’s version put a different light on the facts that had been put to the stewards.

The distinguishing feature here is that our decision was made in-race. We deemed it unnecessary for us to hear from [Sainz] or hear from any other driver to decide that he was wholly to blame for the collision. A decision that we, and other stewards panels, routinely take and are encouraged to take, when the cause of the collision is clear and there is a need for time penalties to be issued as quickly as possible.

Further and in any event, we also find as follows:

1. Telemetry: The telemetry data (annexure 4) of itself is not a significant and relevant new element required to decide who was at fault for the collision. The stewards have access to a considerable amount of telemetry data. We were also in a position to access such data. The telemetry data presented in the Petition is at best ambiguous and in our view did not exculpate [Sainz] but in fact corroborated our decision that he was wholly to blame for the collision. He says he braked harder but could not stop the car because of cold tyres. He states further that a slow formation lap contributed to the cold tyres.

There are two short points. First, even if that is true, the presentation of telemetry showing his braking point is not a significant new element for the purposes of Art.14.

Second, the conditions of the track and the tyres was something that every competitor needed to take into account and adapt to. In trying to brake late while racing [Gasly], he adopted the risk that he, as a driver, would lose control of his car. In this case, that risk materialised, with the consequence of a collision that ensued, for which a penalty follows.

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2. [Sainz’s] written witness statement (the document itself) is not a new significant and relevant element required to decide who was at fault for the collision. First, had we thought that this required a statement from [Sainz] for us to analyse the event, we would have summoned him after the race. We did not consider it necessary then to hear from him to decide that fact.

His witness statement, in essence, states how poor the grip was (we have dealt with why that is not a sufficient excuse above) and how the sun was in his eyes. But logic would dictate that the position of the sun would have equally impacted other drivers too. It is not a justifiable reason to avoid a penalty for a collision. The witness statement is therefore not a new element either.

3. The other drivers’ statements are not new significant and relevant elements required to decide about the incident (none of the statements contained new significant and relevant versions about the collision). These statements were all records of post-race statements given by the drivers to the media. These were presented to corroborate their position that the grip level was low and that the tyres were cold.

Again, while these statements were made subsequent to our decision, and therefore could not have been present when we made the decision, nothing stated in those comments were significant or indeed relevant to our considerations. This does not satisfy the requirements of Art 14 either.

We accordingly dismissed the petition.

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17 comments on “FIA denies Ferrari’s request for new hearing over Sainz’s Australian GP penalty”

  1. An unsurprising outcome.

  2. Indeed unsurprising. I’m still missing though how you restart the race then ignore a lap of racing, impose a penalty and then don’t mention this in the reasons why you aren’t looking at a complaint.
    Looking at the fact that Aston got Alonso’s penalty for touching the car overturned due to precidence, does this now mean that in this case penalties are now freely allowed to be handed out for things that never “officially” happened?

    1. I was hoping Ferrari would argue that since the grid order was reset to pre-crash lap, that the crash in effect, didn’t happen, and therefore, Sainz should not have been penalized.

      But that’s probably enough to qualify for “Wacky Races” standing.

      1. The point is Ferrari never got to make any argument regarding the penalty because as many of us prophesied, they didn’t bring any significant new evidence to the table.

  3. Glad the FIA didn’t entertain this ridiculous request. There was zero claim to change the decision other than it felt ‘harsh’ because it got red flagged anyways. I think Sainz can get back to moaning about how his precious P4 result was ‘stolen’ by the FIA in his kermit the frog voice at the next race weekend.

  4. I don’t think the management at Ferrari are used to people saying “No” to them.

    1. They obviously have delusions that things have not changed enought at FIA.

  5. If only they had talked to Junior, they totally wouldn’t have penalized him. Never ever.

    1. couldntstopmyself
      18th April 2023, 15:56

      You forgot to read the article before commenting ;)

      The telemetry data presented in the Petition is at best ambiguous and in our view did not exculpate [Sainz] but in fact corroborated our decision that he was wholly to blame for the collision.
      His witness statement, in essence, states how poor the grip was (we have dealt with why that is not a sufficient excuse above)

  6. A fully expected outcome, although I didn’t expect Ferrari to use the 2014 Canadian GP Perez-Massa collision as a precedent example.

  7. Sergey Martyn
    18th April 2023, 15:53

    Thank you FIA, at least for that.

  8. He braked late, there’s nothing more to see, period

  9. the position of the sun would have equally impacted other drivers too.

    Yes, like all those drivers the FIA didn’t penalize.

    Of course only Ferrari gets penalized. What a surprise.

    1. Yes: 1) there needs to be consistency, and in this case I’d have liked an explanation about the non-penalties to gasly\ocon and the 2 backmarkers, and 2) the rules need to be changed so that a 5 sec penalty doesn’t make a massive difference based on situations: sometimes (silverstone 2021) even a 10 sec penalty makes no difference, other times you lose 8 places with a 5 sec.

  10. Yes, like all those drivers the FIA didn’t penalize.

    Indeed.
    Sargeant should get a grid penalty, likely putting him at the back of the grid instead of, well, at the back of the grid.
    Gasly should get a penalty, putting him in a really comfy seat in the pit lane.
    Ocon should get a penalty, likely putting him alongside Sargeant.

    1. Perhaps ferrari, knowing it was indeed very likely they wouldn’t have cancelled this penalty, should have enquired about the non-penalties in those 2 situation, to get some rule clarification, cause this makes no sense.

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