Best F1 pass of 2011: Your nominations
- 28th November 2011, 19:18 at 7:18 pm #182993N7Participant
Vettel on Alonso, Monza – who says he can’t overtake?!
Heidfeld on Perez, Valencia – clinical round the outside, made it look easy
Barrichello on Schumacher, Monaco – incredibly ambitious, made it stick
Button on Rosberg, Turkey – beautiful car positioning to send it round the outside
Hamilton on Button, China – ballsy and it worked!
But it just has to be Webber on Alonso through Eau Rouge, doesn’t it?!28th November 2011, 19:39 at 7:39 pm #182994Magnificent GeoffreyParticipant
Alonso’s move on Sunday deserves a mention too. Not as good as Webber’s move, but still one of the best.28th November 2011, 21:18 at 9:18 pm #182995matt90Participant
Not to take too much away from Alonso himself- he still did well to be where he was- but Button did back out of it because of debris on track, which makes the overtake a lot less special IMO.28th November 2011, 22:45 at 10:45 pm #18299691jb12Participant
It was definately woth an honourable mention though. No DRS, round the outside of another competitive car deserves the thumbs up28th November 2011, 23:41 at 11:41 pm #182997David-AParticipant
Alonso’s move does deserve a mention too for the reasons 91jb12 mentioned.28th November 2011, 23:47 at 11:47 pm #182998PowderfingerParticipant
Hamilton on Schumacher, Monaco.
Webber on Alonso, Spa.
Vettel on Alonso, Monza.
Alonso on Button, Interlagos.28th November 2011, 23:54 at 11:54 pm #182999dragollParticipant
The best overtake of the year is:
Webber on Alonso – Eau Rouge (Belgium 2011)
A lot of people have taken it for granted that this might just win the best overtake of the year, but I thought I’d better put some evidence together about why this should win.
1) It has been said previously that Eau Rouge is no longer a challenge for modern F1 cars. I would like to remind these people of a couple of things to keep in mind. A modern F1 car can take Eau Rouge flat out, ONLY, when they are on the racing line. The overtake Webber performed put both drivers off line into the entry of the corner and therefor couldn’t take the corner flat out. I’d also like to highlight that being off the racing line, both drivers were venturing onto a part of the track that didn’t have the same levels of grip that they would normally enjoy on the racing line.
2) The place on the track where Webber overtook is not a known overtaking area, in fact, I’ve never seen a pass like it. Sure people have overtaken slower cars that have moved off line, or completed a move earlier on the straight, but at the point where Mark overtook Alonso, couldn’t of been more than 100m before the apex of the first part of the corner.
3) Neither of the 2 drivers paniced and hit each other, both gave each other enough room to race, without making it an easy pass. Any other day, or driver, Alonso would have held that position. It could be argued that the Ferrari was a slower car than the Red Bull, but I would counter by saying that although Red Bull was the fastest car all year, that Ferrari and McLaren had strengths that surpassed the Red Bull. I’m not suggesting that Mark did the overtake with an inferior car, that would be too much to say, but I’m suggesting that the overtake on a Ferrari was just as good would it have been against a McLaren or even on Vettel himself. If the manouvre was performed on a Lotus by Mark, then we wouldn’t be discussing the merrits of the overtake.
4) Martin Brundle and David Coulthard, both ex-drivers have commented about how gutsy a manouvre it was, to the point where they tracked down Mark in the back of the pits to talk to him about it. Sure sure, everyone will be saying that commentators have to talk about something, but I would argue that something as good as this will always naturally lend itself to the commentary it received during and post-race. Martin Brundle’s comments on Mark’s overtake can be read here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/formula_one/14711653.stm
– Skill in car control on a line that is not normally taken, judging adhesion levels, as well as speed and also making sure the car can make the next part of the corner.
– One of the most unique manouvres in F1 history! Unless I’m corrected, I’ll claim its unprecedented for a driver to overtake a competitive car at that spot!
– The overtake involved 2 cars of near equal level of competitiveness.
– Ex-F1 drivers and F1 journalists thought this was the best overtake of the year.
In my books, this has to win the overtake of the year.
And of course, the overtake in question can be seen here: http://www.genspot.com/Video/ShowVideo.aspx?video_id=36575929th November 2011, 0:11 at 12:11 am #183000matt90Participant
Alonso’s move deserves a mention here, certainly, but not in the final article. I believe it is normally brought down to 10 overtakes, and because of Button having to lift for debris I don’t think it was among those 10 best.29th November 2011, 8:52 at 8:52 am #183001Keith CollantineKeymaster
Thanks for the nominations so far everyone, keep them coming, we’ll have the vote on the site soon.29th November 2011, 8:59 at 8:59 am #183002AnonymousInactive
Webber on Alonso at Spa. Such bravery and respect between the two drivers. I could watch that overtake time and time again. Everyone has said enough about it above so I won’t go on.29th November 2011, 14:24 at 2:24 pm #183003AnonymousInactive
I’ll keep it simple , just 3:
FIRST: Webber on Alonso, Eau Rouge
SECOND: Vettel on Alonso, Monza
THIRD: Alonso on Button, Brazil29th November 2011, 15:38 at 3:38 pm #183004AnonymousInactive
My shortlist, in no order:
Vettel on Alonso, Monza
Webber on Alonso, Spa
Heidfeld on Perez, Valencia
Webber on Alonso, Singapore
Alonso on Button, Interlagos
Alonso on Hamilton, Vettel and Webber, Barcelona
Massa on Rosberg, Monte Carlo
Hamilton on Button, Shanghai
Barrichello on Schumacher, Monte Carlo
Alonso on Kobayashi, Melbourne29th November 2011, 22:45 at 10:45 pm #183005CalumParticipant
1: Curva Grande RedBull overtakes Alonso round outside
2: Hamilton round the outside of Alonso Nurburgring
3: Webber Eau Rouge on Alonso
Unintentionally all on Alonso… D:2nd December 2011, 7:45 at 7:45 am #183006Prisoner MonkeysParticipant
For me, it’s got to be Alonso taking Button in Brazil.
Jenson Button should have won it back in 2009 when he got Romain Grosjean the same way at the same corner. However, Kamui Kobayashi won it for his pass on Button at Abu Dhabi despite Button have green tyres and being fuel-heavy when Kobayashi was not; even I could have made that pass on Button. So Alonso should get it this time around.3rd December 2011, 17:53 at 5:53 pm #183007damonsmedleyParticipant
No, Vettel made the same pass on Barrichello in the 2009 race in probably an even more impressive fashion than Button. And I don’t think Alonso should win just because Button didn’t win in 2009 for making a similar pass. It should be about the best pass of the year.
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