Top 10 non-championship-winning drivers
- 24th June 2013, 16:06 at 4:06 pm #133304Rick LopezParticipant
Please nominate your own and discuss:
Wolfgang Von Trips
Eddie Irvine24th June 2013, 21:00 at 9:00 pm #238177KingsharkParticipant
1. Sir Stirling Moss
2. Carlos Reuteman
3. Gilles Villeneuve
4. Francois Cevert
5. Wolfgang Von Trips
6. Peter Collins
7. Felipe Massa
8. Juan Pablo Montoya
9. Gerhard Berger
10. David Coulthard24th June 2013, 21:09 at 9:09 pm #238178David-AParticipant
1. Sir Stirling Moss
2. Carlos Reutemann
3. Peter Collins
4. Jacky Ickx
5. Gilles Villeneive
6. Wolfgang Von Trips
7. Francois Cevert
8. Mark Webber
9. Gerhard Berger
10. Felipe Massa25th June 2013, 11:04 at 11:04 am #238179Juan Pablo HeidfeldParticipant
Alesi25th June 2013, 11:11 at 11:11 am #23818025th June 2013, 11:48 at 11:48 am #23818125th June 2013, 12:13 at 12:13 pm #238182safeeuropeanhomeParticipant
Ronnie Peterson! Apart from Moss and Villeneuve he is the standout, how has he been forgotten? In no particular order after the first three:
Alesi26th June 2013, 16:21 at 4:21 pm #238183melkurionParticipant
1) Stirling Moss
2) Ronnie Peterson
3) Juan pablo Montoya
4) Jakckie Ickx
5) Gilles Villeneuve
6) Carlos Reutemann
7) Steffan bellof
8) Dan Gurney
9) Fellipe Massa (pre- accident)
10) Rene Arnoux26th June 2013, 23:25 at 11:25 pm #238184RoaldParticipant
How anyone can mention Massa in their list is beyond me. He’s currently in his fourth mediocre year at Ferrari in a row and holds the record for having participated in the most races in a Ferrari without winning a single race. Not to mention his teammate has placed second in the championship standings in both 2010 and 2012. He does simply not deserve to be on anyone’s list.26th June 2013, 23:26 at 11:26 pm #238185RoaldParticipant
Actually, make that his fifth mediocre season at Ferrari. My bad.27th June 2013, 0:06 at 12:06 am #238186KingsharkParticipant
How anyone can mention Massa in their list is beyond me. He’s currently in his fourth mediocre year at Ferrari in a row and holds the record for having participated in the most races in a Ferrari without winning a single race. Not to mention his teammate has placed second in the championship standings in both 2010 and 2012. He does simply not deserve to be on anyone’s list.
Massa was a great driver back in 2007-2009, he won 11 races, beat Raikkonen as teammates, challenged Hamilton in almost equal cars, and came within one corner of winning a WDC.
Judging Massa based on his post-accident form is like judging Schumacher based on his comeback, or judging Graham Hill based on his time in the 70’s. A driver should be rated based on when he was his best, not during his decline.
Actually, make that his fifth mediocre season at Ferrari. My bad.
Massa was bad in 2009? Before his accident in Hungary, he stood 5th in the championship standings with 22 points, driving a car that was miles inferior to Brawn and RBR, and probably slower than Toyota too; while his teammate the highly rated and beloved Raikkonen was only 10th in the WDC with a mere 10 points.27th June 2013, 0:27 at 12:27 am #238187AnonymousInactive
Let’s see (with no order in particular, and just to mention the ones I’ve seen during my lifetime)
Montoya, Massa, Kubica, Ralf Schumacher, Nico Rosberg, Frentzen, Barrichello, Fisico, Webber and Trulli27th June 2013, 8:09 at 8:09 am #238188mnmracerParticipant
Pre-accident Massa definitely deserves to be up there. Granted, with great contenders for this title in the old days, I’m not sure he’d make top 3, but definitely one of, if not the best non-championship winning post 80’s driver.27th June 2013, 8:26 at 8:26 am #238189AnonymousInactive
Seeing Massa on so many lists does make me giggle.27th June 2013, 8:39 at 8:39 am #238190Magnificent GeoffreyParticipant
I agree with @roald and @ajokay. Massa has spent so many years with Formula 1’s most powerful team after not really having any standout giant-killing drives at Sauber to suggest he was a future world champion and only came close to winning the title once in 2008. And a big part of him being in contention in the first place was because of a series of really dodgy stewarding decisions that gifted him more points than he probably deserved.
From 2010 onwards, his form was awful and the fact that his seat has been under question so many times since then says it all, in my opinion. I really can’t see how you can say he’s deserving of being in this top ten compared to so many other drivers who never had such long and sever slumps.
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