[Cronies]

@Keith Collantine

Watch again when Vettel comes up to Vergne after the first safety car, he jumps out the way. You can not honestly still believe that Vergne was treating Vettel as he would any other driver – even the commentators where joking about it.

There is nothing preposterous about Torro Rosso looking after Redbulls interests – in fact I find it preposterous that they would not.

[dot_com]

I think that if Hamilton has any chance of winning his last race with mclaren, there is no way in hell he would give it up. Even if it was to help his own brother, he wouldn’t move aside. He’s a race driver, and cares about winning races more than us mortals could possibly understand! He also probably has it in his head that he will not be able to win a race for a while after this year, so he’ll take every opportunity to win it, regardless of what’s happening behind him. Will Hamilton move aside for Alonso? No. Will he fight Vettel a little harder than Alonso? Possibly – but purely because he has more respect for Alonso on track.

[Frain stermin]

@dot_com i agree

[Keith Collantine]

@Cronies

There is nothing preposterous about Toro Rosso looking after Red Bull’s interests

That’s not what I wrote.

[Cronies]

Nor realise how preposterous it is to allege that Toro Rosso were sufficiently prepared to help Vettel by ordering their drivers to dive out of Vettel’s way

I am not sure I understand you then, looks to me that is exactly what Vergne did…..

[Keith Collantine]

@Cronies I neither wish to be rude nor to give you a lesson in English comprehension, but try reading the entire sentence instead of stopping at the comma.

[Michael]

Just curious – who do you think the other F1 drivers favor between Vettel and Alonso?

If they have a chance to block one of the drivers or let another go by who do you think they would block?

I’m leaning towards Vettel as it’s hard to say that he hasn’t been handed the championship on a silver platter this year. Alonso should/would/could have been 10 pts ahead were it not for Spa and Suzuka, yet he’s now fighting for his life.

[Keith Collantine]

@freelittlebirds

If they have a chance to block one of the drivers or let another go by who do you think they would block?

They won’t.

[mnmracer]

@freelittlebirds
You seem to have a habit of posting a lot of factually dubious things, such as now you’re implying Alonso is the one who lost a lot “if not for race X or race Y”. Are you purposefully applying a double standard, or do you really have problems with short-term memory and you do not remember Malaysia,Valencia,Italy,Abu Dhabi?

[Cronies]

I suspect you’re just making a knee-jerk claim based on the fact that Toro Rosso and Red Bull share the same owner without bothering to consider the details of the race. Nor realise how preposterous it is to allege that Toro Rosso were sufficiently prepared to help Vettel by ordering their drivers to dive out of Vettel’s way, yet not sufficiently prepared to make sure Ricciardo didn’t catch Vettel out with his braking behind the safety car.

I am afraid you will have to give me a English lesson, it was never my strong point anyway so no offense will be taken. I still believe Toro Rosso were sufficiently prepared to help Vettel by ordering their drivers to dive out of Vettel’s way (look at Vergne after the first saftey car). I doubt they where sufficiently prepared to plan for the event of Vettel being behind Ricciardo or even thought it would be necessary to tell Ricciardo how to drive in such a situation. Nor do I think imy comment was a knee-jerk reaction but a fair comment to make – judging by what i saw when Vergne nearly drove off the track to allow Vettel through.

[andae23]

This is a very weird and confusing discussion you’re having.

The only drivers that would yield to give either Alonso or Vettel a better shot at the championship are their teammates: Massa yields for Alonso (no doubt about that, as they have been disgracefully doing this all year long: Italy, Korea and USA for example), Webber, and possibly Vergne and Ricciardo yield for Vettel.

Apart from these cases, there simply is no chance that a driver would let either Alonso or Vettel pass. All 24 drivers are professionals, and it is their job to separate driving an F1 car from any off-track issues. If for instance Hamilton would yield for Alonso, then this leads to a lot of negative publicity: for Hamilton, for Alonso, and for Formula 1. Hamilton has not been that much of a professional McLaren driver this year, but messing with the championship by yielding for Alonso is in a different league. In my opinion, not one of the non-Red Bull and -Ferrari drivers would even consider doing so.

[crr917]

@Cronies, Vergne almost drove off the track when Schumacher passed him, too.

[Michael]

@mnmracer
Well, let me look back:

In Malaysia, a PATRIOT missile exploded in front of Vettel and the shrapnel blew out his tire
In Valencia, Vettel swerved to avoid a beached whale, garnering praise from all global environmental groups
In Italy, the Mafiosi banded with the Tifosi to take down Vettel
In Abu Dhabi, Vettel was kidnapped in Q3 and then forced to start from the pits by the cold-hearted stewards

Am I close? Were any of those 4 incidents caused by other drivers’ mistakes?

Forgive me, I stand corrected…

[Michael]

@andae23

Hamilton has not been that much of a professional McLaren driver this year, but messing with the championship by yielding for Alonso is in a different league.

Interesting comment, care to clarify?

[crr917]

@freelittlebirds
You are right on Malaysia and Italy and only partially on Abu Dhabi. You still have to figure Valencia though

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