Would Hamilton (or another driver) yield for Alonso in Brazil?
- 20th November 2012, 15:34 at 3:34 pm #215492Keith CollantineKeymaster
I’ve deleted a few comments from this thread because of trolling. Keep the discussion constructive or take it somewhere else.20th November 2012, 15:36 at 3:36 pm #215493andae23Participant
@Michael Hamilton has had some issues this year, of which I think are things you shouldn’t do as a professional racing driver. As an example the H.A.M. thing: he knew what it meant, and still he wore the helmet on Friday. Combining this with the briefing that the drivers have had following the swearing on the podium in Abu Dhabi, it becomes apparent that Hamilton’s only intention was to rebel. And I think that is childish, unprofessional and inappropriate.
But this and the Twitter nonsens are all off-track issues: it doesn’t (directly) influence the championship, and therefore Hamilton ‘gets away’ with it. But yielding for Alonso does influence the championship. That’s why I claim that doing so is on a completely different level than his earlier affairs.20th November 2012, 15:38 at 3:38 pm #215494
You say ALONSO deserves it because of Spa/Japan, which were beyond his control.
Karthikeyan was at fault in Malaysia (you know, penalties and such) and technical issues with Renault were not within Vettel’s control.
To help you understand the issue with your behavior.
your standard for Alonso is: he deserves the title because he had incidents beyond his control.
your standard for Vettel is: he does not deserve the title despite incidents beyond his control.
That’s what is called a double standard.20th November 2012, 15:46 at 3:46 pm #215495crr917Participant
Regarding the main question – “Would Hamilton (or another driver) yield for Alonso in Brazil?”, I would rather see a driver yields a position, than deliberately crashing into someone. The lesser evil is the better choice. Even better if neither occur, of course.20th November 2012, 16:31 at 4:31 pm #215496
I see your point and you are right, i mostly agree. Alonso has been unlucky this season, Suzuka and Spa were two races were he could easily score 2 second places and in the worst scenario 2 3rd places so by now he should have a +30 at least wich should have put him at least +17 in regards to Vettel,I said and repeat “at least” because is the worst scenario he could/should have more than that. We have to calculate also the point that vettel lose in Malaysia so + 7 of vettel there we end up with Alonso +10 at least…going to Brasil
In Monza Alonso wasn’t unlucky, because i do not consider mechanical problem unlucky or lucky situation. Mechanical problem are down to engineers and different departments and highly very highly related with the speed of the car. Mostly of the time teams sacrifice the speed to have a better reliability or they gamble with reliability to gain in speed…Ferrari have found a good reliability but not speed, Mclaren the opposite, Red Bull something in the middle.
I also do not consider any type of penalty or punishment as luck or unluck. Penalties are consequences of an act. When a driver (or a team) make a move (which is called an act) he is fully responsible of the consequences, i.e Ferrari in Austin and Red Bull in Abu Dhabi makes their moves (Massa break seal, Vettel changed car) both these moves end up with penalties (Massa +5, Vettel start from pit lane) but can we call these unlucky?? for sure not. The penalty in f1 are the same as in all the others field of the life, if we consider penalty in f1 unlucky then also all the guys in prisons over the world must be all unlucky…
What i consider unlucky/lucky situation is when something happens out of the control of the driver and the team.
Accidents and weather are the two situation when the driver(and team) dont have any type of a control. By accidents i mean accident when a driver is not responsible: like Webber and Rosberg in Japan,the strike that grosejan make in Spa, Massa in Valencia, Button in Korea, Alonso in Japan, Vettel in Malaysia…etc
By weather i mean that teams and driver canot predict how the weather is gonna end up(even if they have tools it’s a little bit of luck there)..they make a move and them 2 laps later start raining…it’s a bit of luck there even they make weather predictions.
So to end up Alonso has been very unlucky this season it’s like he had the right to race 18 out of 20 races, and all the others were allowed to the full 20 races…but who knows all this unluck can be transformed in luck in the last race…because one thing is for sure to win the championship Alonso now needs luck that can be weather or accidents (involved vettel).20th November 2012, 16:48 at 4:48 pm #215497
@freelittlebirds again regarding your question:
“If they have a chance to block one of the drivers or let another go by who do you think they would block?”
I think @keithcollantine is right, everybody will make their races and not thinking to block anyone.
But… i have a personal impression that: Hamilton wants Alonso to win and Raikkonen wants Vettel to win while Button wants nobody to win..:)
I can understand Hamilton and Raikkonen for their choice but i really don’t understand Button..20th November 2012, 16:52 at 4:52 pm #215498raymondu999Participant
@fanser I think Button wants Vettel to win actually. Button is very good friends with Vettel.20th November 2012, 17:05 at 5:05 pm #215499
@raymondu999 probably you are right…and i dont think that if Hamilton was in the place of Button in Abu Dhabi the race would have finished like that20th November 2012, 17:12 at 5:12 pm #215500
I guess I’ll just see it as a compliment that the thinner the straws people are clutching for to diminish Vettel, the better they know he is.20th November 2012, 17:15 at 5:15 pm #215501
Button is probably the (top) driver who cares least.20th November 2012, 18:26 at 6:26 pm #215502MichaelParticipant
I guess I’ll just see it as a compliment that the thinner the straws people are clutching for to diminish Vettel, the better they know he is.
Coming off one of the most obvious skill-based defeats in F1 or racing, Vettel is swimming in an ocean of self-doubt. I wonder if he can hold it together for Interlagos.
Button is probably the (top) driver who cares least.
Button has other issues to worry about than who’s WDC or the best driver.20th November 2012, 18:33 at 6:33 pm #215503raymondu999Participant
@freelittlebirds wow. Vettel was indeed beat in a car that probably had equal, or perhaps slightly better (1-2 tenths) race pace. But I think you’re exaggerating things when you say “swimming in an ocean of self doubt.” I’m sorry mate, but that to me sounds a lot like wishful thinking.20th November 2012, 18:44 at 6:44 pm #215504AtticusParticipant
I honestly cannot imagine how this thread went on to be 4 pages long.
I mean, regarding the topic title, the answer is obviously no, barring Massa.
If we could say yes to somebody else, we would question that driver’s professionalism.20th November 2012, 19:09 at 7:09 pm #215505crr917Participant
Coming off one of the most obvious skill-based defeats in F1 or racing
you surely mean Hamilton’s second place in US qualifying?20th November 2012, 19:12 at 7:12 pm #215506magon4Participant
I stand by my position.
If 3 laps to go and:
I’m not sure if Massa would drop back to give Alonso the needed 3rd place; I don’t know if he would give a home victory away for that. Maybe he would. But there is hughe public pressure in Brazil for him not to do that. And he has had a long career.
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